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Homosexuality

Discussion in 'End Times - Homosexuality' started by CoreIssue, Jan 26, 2014.

  1. CoreIssue

    CoreIssue Administrator Staff Member

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    This is an issue that is very relevant to Christians today. So many so-called Christians and weak Christians actually support it or minimize its sinful nature and consequences.

    The Old Testament says:
    The New Testament says:
    The Greek word for homosexual means:
    The meaning is clear, no ambiguity and not debatable, homosexuality is 100% forbidden.

    Some try to talk around the verse meaning by saying it only means those having sex outside a marital relationship, which is a sin for men with women as well. But, it makes no such distinction. It says men with men or women with women.

    Some try to spin other verses to saying God created some homosexual. There is no such verse in the Bible.

    As genetic research as proven, homosexuality is not an inherent trait. The Gnome and other scientifically done research says there is no such gene or genes.

    The Gnome used the term 'herent' for leanings, tendency toward, etc for some, not all, regarding homosexuality. But to set it in the correct context, theft, lying, excessive anger and other issues are also herent, not inherent.

    In other words, herent traits are aspects of our sin nature. We chose to to do it or not. For some the resistance of all these areas is harder than for others. But, it remains a choice, not a mandate.

    As the verse says, some were homosexual, but are no longer.

    To make it even more complicated, for some it is a learned behavior, not even a herent one. We see such things all over the world. An extreme example is being a martyr in Islam.

    Bottom line here is that in the End Times we are warned many will have Christ on the tongue but be far away from him in their hearts.
    The Bible is quite clear when one becomes a Christian they will be convicted homosexuality is a sin.

    We are told we all struggle with sin. But struggling with sin, convicted and knowing it is wrong, but still tempted, is a far cry from embracing, defending and willing practicing it.

    God warns what happens to those who call themselves his but are not. Read Revelation 2-3. There are strong warnings against those who tolerate sex sin.

    Any student of historical patterns knows there are certain issues that are indicators of a society in decline and collapse. Acceptance of homosexuality is one of the major ones.

    Being against homosexuality is not bigotry or any of the other cliches or code words used today, it is a recognition homosexuals are practicing a deadly sin. But, like with everyone else in the world, they can repent and turn to Christ.
     
  2. CTZonEdit

    CTZonEdit Site Administrator Staff Member

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    This is something that really disturbs me about society today. We are not allowed to question people's decisions and choices and when we do we are called bigots or worse.

    In thinking ... I am just trying to figure out how we (as in the USA) got to this point? 30,20, even 10 years ago this was not even a idea to be questioned in regards to marriage. Now people are just rolling along with these laws and judges and nothing is questioned or even allowed to be questioned.

    No one is offering me a good reason to "accept" this change to marriage and relationships. Even if I didn't believe in Christ, why would I believe I need accept this?

    I don't even think the government and law makers clearly understands exactly why we have "marriage laws" to begin with. Before this was something that was not even questionable. Now its up for discussion? Now this is an institution we need to clarify? Says who?

    Of all the slippery slopes we could go down why this one, why now?
    Because you don't want to be going down this slope and not just for "religious" reasons.
     
  3. CoreIssue

    CoreIssue Administrator Staff Member

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    I think the Falling Away/Apostasy explains it. We were warned it would happen.

    Also, demonic activity. If one digs into history and prophecy, the AC is homosexual.
     
  4. CTZonEdit

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    That could be enlightening on the AC.

    Where do we find that in the Bible/history?
     
  5. CoreIssue

    CoreIssue Administrator Staff Member

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    This needs a bit of detail.
    This is the AC. You clearly see it is not the Dragon (Satan) from verse one. In the following verses you see it is not the False Prophet.

    The Body of the Beast is a composite of the Four Beasts of Daniel; Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome.

    It is also composite of the Ten Kings of those nations.

    Out of the Fourth Beast, Rome, will rise Ten Toe Nations and Kings. That is the EU. Overlay a map or Rome with the EU and they are the same.

    The AC will replace three of those Kings and create his Empire encompassing all Ten Toe Nations.

    That is the Kingdom of the AC you see in Revelation in the Beast.


    One of the heads/King is said to be dead of a wound. Looking at the Four Kingdoms that is Greece, specifically Alexander the Great. He died mysteriously at about 30 years of age,

    Other factors pointing to him is, just like with the first Seal, he rode a white horse and did most of his conquests by treaty, not combat. He also moves rapidly, like a leopard. Alexander was a homosexual who took his male lover everywhere with him.

    He comes back to life. Am I talking reincarnation or resurrection? No. I am talking possession by the demon who was in Alexander.

    In the 6th Seal you clearly see it state out of the False Trinity (statue with Satan in it, the False Prophet and the AC) come demons,
    So, this is more than a crafty man. It is an evil man possessed by a very powerful demon.
    Finally:
    History, the Bible and logic says the AC is a homosexual.
     
  6. CTZonEdit

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    My take away from this is that this is a setup for the greatest deception ever.

    What tears me up is that the world we live in today is already falling for it, and there are not enough voices challenging it.

    And when we do we are bigots and intolerant. We are shouted down by a vocal minority backed by judges and lawyers, and business, and government.
     
  7. CoreIssue

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    I agree. That is what many miss about the history of Mystery Babylon. It has a goal in mind and has worked on it throughout history.
     
  8. Ruth

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    I agree with you that far too many want to excuse away or minimize the sins of men and women that mock God's clear word. I would like to also add that in the zeal of pointing out the seriousness of the sins of others, we too become guilty of a sin that breaks our Lord's heart - leaving love on the thrashing room floor.

    Jesus told us to expose the darkness. We do that by letting our lights shine. We do that by letting the world see the product of His love and forgiveness in our lives. We do that by living lives that gives glory to God. It is easy to point out the sins of others but it should never be at the cost of showing the lost His amazing gift of love and forgiveness.

    Too often, the lost see hypocrisy and dismiss our message. I know I did for a long, long time. I gave up trying to find God in the religion of Christianity that is far too often just a club of people who are very good at judging and providing charity but His message to love is lost.

    God, through His love and forgiveness, changes hearts and turns the sinner from their sins. Our condemning them just makes them angry, depressed, and hopeless. Whether that is judging the drunkard or drug addict who are often self medicating or judging the rebellious teen who never grew up and is kicking against the idea that if they don't bow to God He will eternally torment them.

    Bottom line is that homosexuality is a rebellion against God's holy union of man and woman to become one and produce fruit. It is a rebellion against the very image of our marriage to the Lamb to become one of God's children.

    In that way, it is the worse sin but God doesn't wink at drunkards, adulterers, or a host of other horrific sins that are rooted in self love, either.
     
  9. CTZonEdit

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    I'm really struggling with how to respond to homosexuals and those the believe the homosexual agenda is a legitimate fight for human rights.

    Marriage is not a right. Its a privilege afforded to those that qualify by the states they live in. Those that qualify the state has a vested interest in since marriage produces children that are innocent and need to be most protected.

    Gay marriage by natural law can not produce children. So what interest does the state have to recognize these unions in making them as equal as a traditional marriage? The reality is that a gay marriage would never be able to provide what a traditional marriage can.
    The state cares about providing the best possible environment for a child to grow and develop in.
    Every study about parenting reveals that the best environment for a child to grow in is one that involves traditional parenting in a traditional household.

    Also there is no existing law saying that gays cannot marry. They just cant marry who they want...but neither can straight people.
    So where is the inequality?

    The existing laws are applied equally to every one whether you are gay or straight, black, white or what have you as long as you marry someone of the opposite sex.

    Love has nothing to do with marriage as far as the state is concerned. There is no "love test" you are required to pass before you can get a marriage license and the state does not care about whether you love one another.

    So claims about not being able to marry whoever you choose love is not an issue the state cares about. Straight people cannot marry whoever they choose to love either. Again equal laws apply regardless of sexual orientation.

    So in this post I have not said anything about religion, or God in regards to homosexuality and have clearly stated a logical and thought out opposition to gay marriage. What about what I said above is bigoted or intolerant?
     
  10. CoreIssue

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    Recently the head of Mozilla (Firebox/Thunderbird/etc) was forced to resign because in his private life he supported marriage is between an man and woman.

    Everyone's opinions should be allowed and protected, until it goes against liberalism.
     
  11. clark thompson

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    People often say that this is only a sin under the law but t is found also in the New Testament and more sexually sins are added to it as well.
     
  12. CTZonEdit

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    It's About the Difference between Men and Women

    I saw this this morning. Something to consider.
     
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    CTZ - sorry i posted earlier in the Christians-only section, if you want to discuss further with me, Core created a new thread (with the same topic) in the general section.
    x.
     
  14. CTZonEdit

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    Sexual Expression Is a Worldview Issue

     
  15. CTZonEdit

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    Also may be good to go over how the example of Sodom and Gomorrah are increasingly relevant today.

    Is there any history to trace as to why they became so consumed with sin? What kings and rulers led them into such rebellion?
     
  16. CoreIssue

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    I don't think they were led. I think they were allowed, for the most part.

    Human nature always tries to push the boundaries. Reality ceases to exist in such people thinking, they just want more and different.
     
  17. CTZonEdit

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    http://www.aish.com/ci/sam/48931527.html

    The kings recorded in the bible in Gen 14 ruling this area were:

    Bera, king of Sodom
    Birsha, king of Gomorrah
    Shinab, king of Admad
    Shember, king of Zeboiim
    the king of Bela, also called Zoar
     
  18. CoreIssue

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    Over what period of time were the buried?
     
  19. CTZonEdit

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    That crossed my mind also. The link doesn't say but those graves could have been in use since before the judgement fell on them.
     
  20. CoreIssue

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    I was wondering that. Makes one think, for sure.
     

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