Looking for sincerity

[JLG]

Someone says :



Roman 1:1
[KJV] 1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called [to be] an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
[NKJV] 1 Paul, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, called [to be] an apostle, separated to the gospel of God
[NLT] 1 This letter is from Paul, a slave of Christ Jesus, chosen by God to be an apostle and sent out to preach his Good News.
[NIV] 1 Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God--
[ESV] 1 Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God,
[CSB] 1 Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called as an apostle and set apart for the gospel of
God --
[NASB20] 1 Paul, a bond-servant of Christ Jesus, called [as] an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God,
[LSB] 1 Paul, a slave of Christ Jesus, called [as] an apostle, having been set apart for the gospel of God,
[NET] 1 From Paul, a slave of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God.
[RSV] 1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God
[ASV] 1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called [to be] an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
[YLT] 1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, a called apostle, having been separated to the good news of God --
[DBY] 1 Paul, bondman of Jesus Christ, [a] called apostle, separated to God's glad tidings,
[WEB] 1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called [to be] an apostle, separated to the gospel of God,
[HNV] 1 Sha'ul, a servant of Yeshua the Messiah, called to be an apostle, set apart for the Good News of God,
[BBE] 1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, an Apostle by the selection of God, given authority as a preacher of the good news,

What about that (or ANY of these) translations is CORRUPT?

• The letter WAS written by Paul, from Paul, and that is why it begins with his name … see the letter from James for another example of First Century Letter Writing etiquette.
• GOD did choose Paul to be an Apostle (that is how one becomes an Apostle)
• What you appear to be railing against is Formal Equivalence vs Dynamic Equivalence as a translation philosophy … which is nonsensical since there is no such thing as a “literal translation” … most words do not have EXACT parallels in other languages and idioms require some form of Dynamic Equivalence to be meaningful.

So, what EXACTLY is “corrupt” in any of the translations of Romans 1:1 presented above?

 

[JLG]

- My answer :

- Here is what I wrote some time ago:

- Here all the versions (in Biblehub) seem to transmit the same message except one the Contemporary English Version !


- Contemporary English Version seems to indicate that it is easier to understand but it is corrupt !

- Here it says « God chose me to be an apostle, and he appointed me to preach the good news » !

- But all the other versions only say Paul a servant or slave of Christ Jesus and the gospel of God !

- And the original text shows it is not so !

 

[JLG]

Someone says :

All the other FORMAL EQUIVALENCE emphasis translations, but not other DYNAMIC EQUIVALENCE emphasis translations. The former was more concerned with communicating the original WORDS and SYNTAX as closely as possible, while the latter is more concerned with communicating the underlying MEANING as closely as possible.

How many “Gospels” or “Good News” from how many sources are there that it is critical to differentiate that THIS is the Good News from God and not one of the many other Gospels presented in the Bible? You appear to be straining gnats. Just use another translation if you prefer a different one … this does not rate a “Jihad” against the CEV for not following Formal Equivalence to your satisfaction.

 

[JLG]

- My answer :

- With underlying meaning you can go anywhere !

- « God chose me to be an apostle, and he appointed me to preach the good news » has nothing to do with the original text !

- What you call underlying meaning may seem so for you, but not for everybody !

- Now when you say « this does not rate a “Jihad” against the CEV for not following Formal Equivalence to your satisfaction », it clearly shows you have no idea what it means comparing translations !

- One example is nothing !

- You have to compare a chapter, then a whole book, then different books, then the whole Bible !

- Then you can get conclusions !

- But just with one example speaking of a Jihad, it’s completely ridiculous !

 

[JLG]

Romans 1:21 (Biblehub)

For

Διότι (Dioti)

Conjunction

Strong's 1360: On this account, because, for. From dia and hoti; on the very account that, or inasmuch as.


although they knew

γνόντες (gnontes)

Verb - Aorist Participle Active - Nominative Masculine Plural

Strong's 1097: A prolonged form of a primary verb; to 'know' in a great variety of applications and with many implications.


God,

Θεὸν (Theon)

Noun - Accusative Masculine Singular

Strong's 2316: A deity, especially the supreme Divinity; figuratively, a magistrate; by Hebraism, very.


they neither glorified [Him]

ἐδόξασαν (edoxasan)

Verb - Aorist Indicative Active - 3rd Person Plural

Strong's 1392: To glorify, honor, bestow glory on. From doxa; to render glorious.


as

ὡς (hōs)

Adverb

Strong's 5613: Probably adverb of comparative from hos; which how, i.e. In that manner.


God

Θεὸν (Theon)

Noun - Accusative Masculine Singular

Strong's 2316: A deity, especially the supreme Divinity; figuratively, a magistrate; by Hebraism, very.


[nor]

ἢ (ē)

Conjunction

Strong's 2228: Or, than. A primary particle of distinction between two connected terms; disjunctive, or; comparative, than.


gave thanks [to Him],

ηὐχαρίστησαν (ēucharistēsan)

Verb - Aorist Indicative Active - 3rd Person Plural

Strong's 2168: From eucharistos; to be grateful, i.e. to express gratitude; specially, to say grace at a meal.


but

ἀλλὰ (alla)

Conjunction

Strong's 235: But, except, however. Neuter plural of allos; properly, other things, i.e. contrariwise.


they became futile

ἐματαιώθησαν (emataiōthēsan)

Verb - Aorist Indicative Passive - 3rd Person Plural

Strong's 3154: To become vain or foolish, be perverted. From mataios; to render foolish, i.e. wicked or, idolatrous.


in

ἐν (en)

Preposition

Strong's 1722: In, on, among. A primary preposition denoting position, and instrumentality, i.e. A relation of rest; 'in, ' at, on, by, etc.


their

αὐτῶν (autōn)

Personal / Possessive Pronoun - Genitive Masculine 3rd Person Plural

Strong's 846: He, she, it, they, them, same. From the particle au; the reflexive pronoun self, used of the third person, and of the other persons.


thinking

διαλογισμοῖς (dialogismois)

Noun - Dative Masculine Plural

Strong's 1261: From dialogizomai; discussion, i.e. consideration, or debate.


and

καὶ (kai)

Conjunction

Strong's 2532: And, even, also, namely.


darkened

ἐσκοτίσθη (eskotisthē)

Verb - Aorist Indicative Passive - 3rd Person Singular

Strong's 4654: To darken. From skotos; to obscure.


in their

αὐτῶν (autōn)

Personal / Possessive Pronoun - Genitive Masculine 3rd Person Plural

Strong's 846: He, she, it, they, them, same. From the particle au; the reflexive pronoun self, used of the third person, and of the other persons.


foolish

ἀσύνετος (asynetos)

Adjective - Nominative Feminine Singular

Strong's 801: Unintelligent, without wisdom, unwise, undiscerning (implying probably moral defect). By implication, wicked.


hearts.

καρδία (kardia)

Noun - Nominative Feminine Singular

Strong's 2588: Prolonged from a primary kar; the heart, i.e. the thoughts or feelings; also the middle.


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New Living Translation

Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn’t worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas OF WHAT GOD WAS LIKE. AS A RESULT, THEIR MINDS BECAME DARK AND CONFUSED.

- CORRUPTION

 

[JLG]

Romans 1:22 (Biblehub)

Although they claimed

φάσκοντες (phaskontes)

Verb - Present Participle Active - Nominative Masculine Plural

Strong's 5335: To assert, affirm, profess. Prolongation from the same as phemi; to assert.


to be

εἶναι (einai)

Verb - Present Infinitive Active

Strong's 1510: I am, exist. The first person singular present indicative; a prolonged form of a primary and defective verb; I exist.


wise,

σοφοὶ (sophoi)

Adjective - Nominative Masculine Plural

Strong's 4680: Wise, learned, cultivated, skilled, clever. Akin to saphes; wise.


they became fools,

ἐμωράνθησαν (emōranthēsan)

Verb - Aorist Indicative Passive - 3rd Person Plural

Strong's 3471: From moros; to become insipid; figuratively, to make as a simpleton.


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New Living Translation

Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools.


- CORRECT

 

[JLG]

Romans 1:23 (Biblehub)

and

καὶ (kai)

Conjunction

Strong's 2532: And, even, also, namely.


exchanged

ἤλλαξαν (ēllaxan)

Verb - Aorist Indicative Active - 3rd Person Plural

Strong's 236: To change, alter, exchange, transform. From allos; to make different.


the

τὴν (tēn)

Article - Accusative Feminine Singular

Strong's 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the.


glory

δόξαν (doxan)

Noun - Accusative Feminine Singular

Strong's 1391: From the base of dokeo; glory, in a wide application.


of the

τοῦ (tou)

Article - Genitive Masculine Singular

Strong's 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the.


immortal

ἀφθάρτου (aphthartou)

Adjective - Genitive Masculine Singular

Strong's 862: Indestructible, imperishable, incorruptible; hence: immortal. Undecaying.


God

Θεοῦ (Theou)

Noun - Genitive Masculine Singular

Strong's 2316: A deity, especially the supreme Divinity; figuratively, a magistrate; by Hebraism, very.


for

ἐν (en)

Preposition

Strong's 1722: In, on, among. A primary preposition denoting position, and instrumentality, i.e. A relation of rest; 'in, ' at, on, by, etc.


images

εἰκόνος (eikonos)

Noun - Genitive Feminine Singular

Strong's 1504: An image, likeness, bust. From eiko; a likeness, i.e. statue, profile, or representation, resemblance.


of mortal

φθαρτοῦ (phthartou)

Adjective - Genitive Masculine Singular

Strong's 5349: Corruptible, perishable. From phtheiro; decayed, i.e. perishable.


man

ἀνθρώπου (anthrōpou)

Noun - Genitive Masculine Singular

Strong's 444: A man, one of the human race. From aner and ops; man-faced, i.e. A human being.


and

καὶ (kai)

Conjunction

Strong's 2532: And, even, also, namely.


birds

πετεινῶν (peteinōn)

Noun - Genitive Neuter Plural

Strong's 4071: A bird, fowl. Neuter of a derivative of petomai; a flying animal, i.e. Bird.


and

καὶ (kai)

Conjunction

Strong's 2532: And, even, also, namely.


animals

τετραπόδων (tetrapodōn)

Adjective - Genitive Neuter Plural

Strong's 5074: Four-footed. From tessares and pous; a quadruped.


and

καὶ (kai)

Conjunction

Strong's 2532: And, even, also, namely.


reptiles.

ἑρπετῶν (herpetōn)

Noun - Genitive Neuter Plural

Strong's 2062: Neuter of a derivative of herpo; a reptile, i.e. (compare remes) a small animal.

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New Living Translation

And instead of WORSHIPING the glorious, ever-living God, they WORSHIPED idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles.

- CORRUPTION

 

[JLG]

Romans 1:24 (Biblehub)

Therefore

Διὸ (Dio)

Conjunction

Strong's 1352: Wherefore, on which account, therefore. From dia and hos; through which thing, i.e. Consequently.


God

Θεὸς (Theos)

Noun - Nominative Masculine Singular

Strong's 2316: A deity, especially the supreme Divinity; figuratively, a magistrate; by Hebraism, very.


gave them over

παρέδωκεν (paredōken)

Verb - Aorist Indicative Active - 3rd Person Singular

Strong's 3860: From para and didomi; to surrender, i.e yield up, intrust, transmit.


in

ἐν (en)

Preposition

Strong's 1722: In, on, among. A primary preposition denoting position, and instrumentality, i.e. A relation of rest; 'in, ' at, on, by, etc.


the

ταῖς (tais)

Article - Dative Feminine Plural

Strong's 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the.


desires

ἐπιθυμίαις (epithymiais)

Noun - Dative Feminine Plural

Strong's 1939: Desire, eagerness for, inordinate desire, lust. From epithumeo; a longing.


of

τῶν (tōn)

Article - Genitive Feminine Plural

Strong's 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the.


their

αὐτῶν (autōn)

Personal / Possessive Pronoun - Genitive Masculine 3rd Person Plural

Strong's 846: He, she, it, they, them, same. From the particle au; the reflexive pronoun self, used of the third person, and of the other persons.


hearts

καρδιῶν (kardiōn)

Noun - Genitive Feminine Plural

Strong's 2588: Prolonged from a primary kar; the heart, i.e. the thoughts or feelings; also the middle.


to

εἰς (eis)

Preposition

Strong's 1519: A primary preposition; to or into, of place, time, or purpose; also in adverbial phrases.


impurity

ἀκαθαρσίαν (akatharsian)

Noun - Accusative Feminine Singular

Strong's 167: Uncleanness, impurity. From akathartos; impurity, physically or morally.


for the

τοῦ (tou)

Article - Genitive Neuter Singular

Strong's 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the.


dishonoring

ἀτιμάζεσθαι (atimazesthai)

Verb - Present Infinitive Middle or Passive

Strong's 818: To disgrace, treat disgracefully, dishonor, insult; I despise. From atimos; to render infamous, i.e. contemn or maltreat.


of their

αὐτῶν (autōn)

Personal / Possessive Pronoun - Genitive Masculine 3rd Person Plural

Strong's 846: He, she, it, they, them, same. From the particle au; the reflexive pronoun self, used of the third person, and of the other persons.


bodies

σώματα (sōmata)

Noun - Accusative Neuter Plural

Strong's 4983: Body, flesh; the body of the Church. From sozo; the body, used in a very wide application, literally or figuratively.


with

ἐν (en)

Preposition

Strong's 1722: In, on, among. A primary preposition denoting position, and instrumentality, i.e. A relation of rest; 'in, ' at, on, by, etc.


[one another].

αὐτοῖς (autois)

Personal / Possessive Pronoun - Dative Masculine 3rd Person Plural

Strong's 846: He, she, it, they, them, same. From the particle au; the reflexive pronoun self, used of the third person, and of the other persons.

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New Living Translation

So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, THEY DID VILE AND DEGRADING THINGS with each other’s bodies.

- CORRUPTION

 

[JLG]

Romans 1:25 (Biblehub)

[They]

οἵτινες (hoitines)

Personal / Relative Pronoun - Nominative Masculine Plural

Strong's 3748: Whosoever, whichsoever, whatsoever.


exchanged

μετήλλαξαν (metēllaxan)

Verb - Aorist Indicative Active - 3rd Person Plural

Strong's 3337: To change, transform, alter, exchange. From meta and allasso; to exchange.


the

τὴν (tēn)

Article - Accusative Feminine Singular

Strong's 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the.


truth

ἀλήθειαν (alētheian)

Noun - Accusative Feminine Singular

Strong's 225: From alethes; truth.


of God

Θεοῦ (Theou)

Noun - Genitive Masculine Singular

Strong's 2316: A deity, especially the supreme Divinity; figuratively, a magistrate; by Hebraism, very.


for

ἐν (en)

Preposition

Strong's 1722: In, on, among. A primary preposition denoting position, and instrumentality, i.e. A relation of rest; 'in, ' at, on, by, etc.


a lie,

ψεύδει (pseudei)

Noun - Dative Neuter Singular

Strong's 5579: A lie, falsehood, untruth; false religion. From pseudomai; a falsehood.


and

καὶ (kai)

Conjunction

Strong's 2532: And, even, also, namely.


worshiped

ἐσεβάσθησαν (esebasthēsan)

Verb - Aorist Indicative Passive - 3rd Person Plural

Strong's 4573: To worship, stand in awe of. Middle voice from a derivative of sebomai; to venerate, i.e. Adore.


and

καὶ (kai)

Conjunction

Strong's 2532: And, even, also, namely.


served

ἐλάτρευσαν (elatreusan)

Verb - Aorist Indicative Active - 3rd Person Plural

Strong's 3000: To serve, especially God, perhaps simply: I worship. From latris; to minister, i.e. Render religious homage.


created things

κτίσει (ktisei)

Noun - Dative Feminine Singular

Strong's 2937: From ktizo; original formation.


rather than

παρὰ (para)

Preposition

Strong's 3844: Gen: from; dat: beside, in the presence of; acc: alongside of.


the

τὸν (ton)

Article - Accusative Masculine Singular

Strong's 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the.


Creator,

Κτίσαντα (Ktisanta)

Verb - Aorist Participle Active - Accusative Masculine Singular

Strong's 2936: To create, form, shape, make, always of God. Probably akin to ktaomai; to fabricate, i.e. Found.


who

ὅς (hos)

Personal / Relative Pronoun - Nominative Masculine Singular

Strong's 3739: Who, which, what, that.


is

ἐστιν (estin)

Verb - Present Indicative Active - 3rd Person Singular

Strong's 1510: I am, exist. The first person singular present indicative; a prolonged form of a primary and defective verb; I exist.


forever

αἰῶνας (aiōnas)

Noun - Accusative Masculine Plural

Strong's 165: From the same as aei; properly, an age; by extension, perpetuity; by implication, the world; specially a Messianic period.


worthy of praise!

εὐλογητὸς (eulogētos)

Adjective - Nominative Masculine Singular

Strong's 2128: (used only of God), blessed (as entitled to receive blessing from man), worthy of praise. From eulogeo; adorable.


Amen.

ἀμήν (amēn)

Hebrew Word

Strong's 281: Of Hebrew origin; properly, firm, i.e. trustworthy; adverbially, surely.


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New Living Translation

They traded the truth about God for a lie. So they worshiped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen.

- CORRECT

 

[JLG]

Romans 1:26 (Biblehub)

For this reason

Διὰ (Dia)

Preposition

Strong's 1223: A primary preposition denoting the channel of an act; through.


God

Θεὸς (Theos)

Noun - Nominative Masculine Singular

Strong's 2316: A deity, especially the supreme Divinity; figuratively, a magistrate; by Hebraism, very.


gave them over

παρέδωκεν (paredōken)

Verb - Aorist Indicative Active - 3rd Person Singular

Strong's 3860: From para and didomi; to surrender, i.e yield up, intrust, transmit.


to

εἰς (eis)

Preposition

Strong's 1519: A primary preposition; to or into, of place, time, or purpose; also in adverbial phrases.


dishonorable

ἀτιμίας (atimias)

Noun - Genitive Feminine Singular

Strong's 819: Disgrace, dishonor; a dishonorable use. From atimos; infamy, i.e. comparative indignity, disgrace.


passions.

πάθη (pathē)

Noun - Accusative Neuter Plural

Strong's 3806: Suffering, emotion, depraved passion, lust. From the alternate of pascho; properly, suffering, i.e. a passion.


Even

τε (te)

Conjunction

Strong's 5037: And, both. A primary particle of connection or addition; both or also.


their

αὐτῶν (autōn)

Personal / Possessive Pronoun - Genitive Masculine 3rd Person Plural

Strong's 846: He, she, it, they, them, same. From the particle au; the reflexive pronoun self, used of the third person, and of the other persons.


women

θήλειαι (thēleiai)

Adjective - Nominative Feminine Plural

Strong's 2338: Female. From the same as thelazo; female.


exchanged

μετήλλαξαν (metēllaxan)

Verb - Aorist Indicative Active - 3rd Person Plural

Strong's 3337: To change, transform, alter, exchange. From meta and allasso; to exchange.


natural

φυσικὴν (physikēn)

Adjective - Accusative Feminine Singular

Strong's 5446: Natural, (a) according to nature, (b) merely animal. From phusis; 'physical', i.e. instinctive.


relations

χρῆσιν (chrēsin)

Noun - Accusative Feminine Singular

Strong's 5540: Use, manner of use. From chraomai; employment, i.e., sexual intercourse.


for

εἰς (eis)

Preposition

Strong's 1519: A primary preposition; to or into, of place, time, or purpose; also in adverbial phrases.


unnatural

φύσιν (physin)

Noun - Accusative Feminine Singular

Strong's 5449: From phuo; growth, i.e. natural production; by extension, a genus or sort; figuratively, native disposition, constitution or usage.


[ones].

τὴν (tēn)

Article - Accusative Feminine Singular

Strong's 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the.

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New Living Translation

That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex AND INSTEAD INDULGED IN SEX WITH EACH OTHER.

- CORRUPTION

 

[Gnostic Christian]

I do not think a God could want or have unfulfilled wants or needs. God is, after all, omni everything.

As a servant of God, what wants or needs do you think God has that you can fill?

Are you ignoring the scriptures that have Jesus saying that he came to serve and not be served?

Are you for or against Jesus?

Regards
DL

 

[JLG]

I do not think a God could want or have unfulfilled wants or needs. God is, after all, omni everything.

As a servant of God, what wants or needs do you think God has that you can fill?

Are you ignoring the scriptures that have Jesus saying that he came to serve and not be served?

Are you for or against Jesus?

Regards
DL

- Strange question!
- A Christian is supposed to be a follower of Christ!
- The Bible tells us about the strong relationships between Yah.weh and his faithful servants!
- The Bible shows how it is important for Yah.weh!
- It is everywhere in the Bible!
- Abraham is called Yah.weh's friend!
- Yah.weh tells the devil about Job that there is no one like him on earth!
- Samuel was jealous for Yah.weh!
- Daniel is called a precious man!
- And I could go on!
- On the contrary, Israel and Judah opposed Yah.weh continuously!
- they acted worse than any other nation!
- He could have destroyed them many times!
- And he gave them the opportunity to come back to him again and again!
- Only because he made a promise to Abraham and because Abraham was his friend!

 

[Gnostic Christian]

- Strange question!

?

Which one of the three?

Do you call Yahweh good or evil?

He kills a lot, when he could just as easily cure?

Strange when Jesus said he came for the ill and not the well, who had no need of his service.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Christian]

- A Christian is supposed to be a follower of Christ!

His Rabbinic teachings?

On Jesus dying for Christians, from a moral perspective.

It takes quite an imagination and ego to think a god would actually die for us, after condemning us unjustly in the first place.

Christians have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil they make Jesus to keep their feel good get out of hell free card.

It is a lie, first and foremost, because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral.

Christians also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

There is no way that Christians parents would teach their children to use a scapegoat.

Good morals and Jesus speak against the messianic concept and bids us pick up our crosses and follow him.

Regards
DL

 

[JLG]

- Strange question!

?

Which one of the three?

Do you call Yahweh good or evil?

He kills a lot, when he could just as easily cure?

Strange when Jesus said he came for the ill and not the well, who had no need of his service.

Regards
DL

- When you say he kills a lot, what do you have in mind exactly?

 

[JLG]

- A Christian is supposed to be a follower of Christ!

His Rabbinic teachings?

On Jesus dying for Christians, from a moral perspective.

It takes quite an imagination and ego to think a god would actually die for us, after condemning us unjustly in the first place.

Christians have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil they make Jesus to keep their feel good get out of hell free card.

It is a lie, first and foremost, because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral.

Christians also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

There is no way that Christians parents would teach their children to use a scapegoat.

Good morals and Jesus speak against the messianic concept and bids us pick up our crosses and follow him.

Regards
DL

- What do you mean when you say after condemning us unjustly?
- A perfect life for a perfect life: just a balance!
- Divine balance!
- Everyone is responsible for his actions and will be responsible when the Big One comes!
- Can you give examples of what Christians have to ignore about Jesus' teaching!
- If parents make good or bad decisions, their children can suffer the consequences!
- If you take the example of Israel, they took advantage of the promise Yah.weh made to Abraham!
- But they kept opposing Yah.weh!
- And they acted worse and worse!

 

[JLG]

Romans 1:27 (Biblehub)


Likewise,

ὁμοίως (homoiōs)

Adverb

Strong's 3668: In like manner, similarly, in the same way, equally. Adverb from homoios; similarly.


the

οἱ (hoi)

Article - Nominative Masculine Plural

Strong's 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the.


men

ἄρσενες (arsenes)

Noun - Nominative Masculine Plural

Strong's 730: Male. Arsen probably from airo; male.


abandoned

ἀφέντες (aphentes)

Verb - Aorist Participle Active - Nominative Masculine Plural

Strong's 863: From apo and hiemi; to send forth, in various applications.


natural

φυσικὴν (physikēn)

Adjective - Accusative Feminine Singular

Strong's 5446: Natural, (a) according to nature, (b) merely animal. From phusis; 'physical', i.e. instinctive.


relations

χρῆσιν (chrēsin)

Noun - Accusative Feminine Singular

Strong's 5540: Use, manner of use. From chraomai; employment, i.e., sexual intercourse.


with

τῆς (tēs)

Article - Genitive Feminine Singular

Strong's 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the.


women

θηλείας (thēleias)

Adjective - Genitive Feminine Singular

Strong's 2338: Female. From the same as thelazo; female.


[and] burned

ἐξεκαύθησαν (exekauthēsan)

Verb - Aorist Indicative Passive - 3rd Person Plural

Strong's 1572: To blaze out, be inflamed. From ek and kaio; to inflame deeply.


with

ἐν (en)

Preposition

Strong's 1722: In, on, among. A primary preposition denoting position, and instrumentality, i.e. A relation of rest; 'in, ' at, on, by, etc.


lust

ὀρέξει (orexei)

Noun - Dative Feminine Singular

Strong's 3715: Strong desire, lust, appetite. From oregomai; excitement of the mind, i.e. Longing after.


for

εἰς (eis)

Preposition

Strong's 1519: A primary preposition; to or into, of place, time, or purpose; also in adverbial phrases.


one another.

ἀλλήλους (allēlous)

Personal / Reciprocal Pronoun - Accusative Masculine Plural

Strong's 240: One another, each other. Genitive plural from allos reduplicated; one another.


Men

ἄρσενες (arsenes)

Noun - Nominative Masculine Plural

Strong's 730: Male. Arsen probably from airo; male.


committed

κατεργαζόμενοι (katergazomenoi)

Verb - Present Participle Middle or Passive - Nominative Masculine Plural

Strong's 2716: From kata and ergazomai; to work fully, i.e. Accomplish; by implication, to finish, fashion.


indecent [acts]

ἀσχημοσύνην (aschēmosynēn)

Noun - Accusative Feminine Singular

Strong's 808: From askemon; an indecency; by implication, the pudenda.


with

ἐν (en)

Preposition

Strong's 1722: In, on, among. A primary preposition denoting position, and instrumentality, i.e. A relation of rest; 'in, ' at, on, by, etc.


[other] men,

ἄρσεσιν (arsesin)

Noun - Dative Masculine Plural

Strong's 730: Male. Arsen probably from airo; male.


and

καὶ (kai)

Conjunction

Strong's 2532: And, even, also, namely.


received

ἀπολαμβάνοντες (apolambanontes)

Verb - Present Participle Active - Nominative Masculine Plural

Strong's 618: From apo and lambano; to receive; also to take aside.


in

ἐν (en)

Preposition

Strong's 1722: In, on, among. A primary preposition denoting position, and instrumentality, i.e. A relation of rest; 'in, ' at, on, by, etc.


themselves

ἑαυτοῖς (heautois)

Reflexive Pronoun - Dative Masculine 3rd Person Plural

Strong's 1438: Himself, herself, itself.


the

τὴν (tēn)

Article - Accusative Feminine Singular

Strong's 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the.


due

ἔδει (edei)

Verb - Imperfect Indicative Active - 3rd Person Singular

Strong's 1163: Third person singular active present of deo; also deon deh-on'; neuter active participle of the same; both used impersonally; it is Necessary.


penalty

ἀντιμισθίαν (antimisthian)

Noun - Accusative Feminine Singular

Strong's 489: A reward, recompense, retribution. From a compound of anti and misthos; requital, correspondence.


for

τῆς (tēs)

Article - Genitive Feminine Singular

Strong's 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the.


their

αὐτῶν (autōn)

Personal / Possessive Pronoun - Genitive Masculine 3rd Person Plural

Strong's 846: He, she, it, they, them, same. From the particle au; the reflexive pronoun self, used of the third person, and of the other persons.


error.

πλάνης (planēs)

Noun - Genitive Feminine Singular

Strong's 4106: Feminine of planos; objectively, fraudulence; subjectively, a straying from orthodoxy or piety.


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New Living Translation

And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.

- CORRECT

 

[Gnostic Christian]

- What do you mean when you say after condemning us unjustly?

What can a finite being like you or I do that could possibly gain us eternal hell?

- Everyone is responsible for his actions and will be responsible when the Big One comes!

Nice that you reject the immoral messianic notion and would tell that Jesus where to go.

But they kept opposing Yah.weh!

So do I.

He is a genocidal and immoral prick who kills when he could just as easily cure.

Would you follow Yahweh anywhere?

Regards
DL

 

[JLG]

- What do you mean when you say after condemning us unjustly?

What can a finite being like you or I do that could possibly gain us eternal hell?

- Everyone is responsible for his actions and will be responsible when the Big One comes!

Nice that you reject the immoral messianic notion and would tell that Jesus where to go.

But they kept opposing Yah.weh!

So do I.

He is a genocidal and immoral prick who kills when he could just as easily cure.

Would you follow Yahweh anywhere?

Regards
DL

What can a finite being like you or I do that could possibly gain us eternal hell?

• There is no eternal hell!

He is a genocidal and immoral prick who kills when he could just as easily cure.

• There is so much to learn and to work for him forever!
• Unbelievable!

Would you follow Yahweh anywhere?

• Definitely!
• Man away from Yah.weh “is a genocidal and immoral prick who kills when he could just as easily cure”!
• And if Yah.weh doesn’t cleanse the human society, man would destroy himself and everything on earth!
• When you take away man, nature can purify itself!

 

[JLG]

Romans 1:28 (Biblehub)


Furthermore,

Καὶ (Kai)

Conjunction

Strong's 2532: And, even, also, namely.


since

καθὼς (kathōs)

Adverb

Strong's 2531: According to the manner in which, in the degree that, just as, as. From kata and hos; just as, that.


they did not see fit

ἐδοκίμασαν (edokimasan)

Verb - Aorist Indicative Active - 3rd Person Plural

Strong's 1381: From dokimos; to test; by implication, to approve.


to acknowledge

ἔχειν (echein)

Verb - Present Infinitive Active

Strong's 2192: To have, hold, possess. Including an alternate form scheo skheh'-o; a primary verb; to hold.


God,

Θεὸν (Theon)

Noun - Accusative Masculine Singular

Strong's 2316: A deity, especially the supreme Divinity; figuratively, a magistrate; by Hebraism, very.


[He]

Θεὸς (Theos)

Noun - Nominative Masculine Singular

Strong's 2316: A deity, especially the supreme Divinity; figuratively, a magistrate; by Hebraism, very.


gave them up

παρέδωκεν (paredōken)

Verb - Aorist Indicative Active - 3rd Person Singular

Strong's 3860: From para and didomi; to surrender, i.e yield up, intrust, transmit.


to

εἰς (eis)

Preposition

Strong's 1519: A primary preposition; to or into, of place, time, or purpose; also in adverbial phrases.


a depraved

ἀδόκιμον (adokimon)

Adjective - Accusative Masculine Singular

Strong's 96: Failing to pass the test, unapproved, counterfeit. By implication, worthless.


mind,

νοῦν (noun)

Noun - Accusative Masculine Singular

Strong's 3563: Probably from the base of ginosko; the intellect, i.e. Mind; by implication, meaning.


to do

ποιεῖν (poiein)

Verb - Present Infinitive Active

Strong's 4160: (a) I make, manufacture, construct, (b) I do, act, cause. Apparently a prolonged form of an obsolete primary; to make or do.


what

τὰ (ta)

Article - Accusative Neuter Plural

Strong's 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the.


ought not to be done.

καθήκοντα (kathēkonta)

Verb - Present Participle Active - Accusative Neuter Plural

Strong's 2520: To come down, come to; To be unfit, proper. From kata and heko; to reach to, i.e. becoming.


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New Living Translation

Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done.

- CORRECT