Is belief in the Trinity necessary for salvation?

[CoreIssue]

you provided no backing for your claims. I have for mine. you just keep repeating your claims.

 

[Matthias]

you provided no backing for your claims. I have for mine. you just keep repeating your claims.

I’ve supported my claims using trinitarian scholarship. If you really do know me from another internet forum then you know that I do. It’s my MO. I’ve been doing it since circa 1996. I’ll continue doing it as long as I post on internet forums.

 

[CoreIssue]

no,you have not,

 

[Matthias]

no,you have not,

Your readers, if interested, will see that I have and will also note that I’m continuing to quote trinitarian scholars to support what I’m saying. That’s what I‘ve done on every internet discussion forum I’ve ever been on. CTZ is no exception.

 

[CoreIssue]

nope.

 

[CoreIssue]

9 Faith Groups That Deny the Trinity Doctrine

The Trinity doctrine is central to most Christian denominations even though the term is not in the Bible. Non-trinitarian faiths reject the doctrine.

www.learnreligions.com

Nontrinitarianism - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

simple.wikipedia.org

Alternatives to Trinitarianism, Views of God That Reject the Trinity

Christians believe that God is comprised of the Trinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Here is a look at alternatives to Trinitarianism.

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Discover the Christian Denominations That Reject the Trinity Doctrine - Christian Educators Academy

Welcome to our blog post, where we will be exploring the fascinating world of Christian denominations that reject the Trinity doctrine. For centuries, the

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Trinity > History of Trinitarian Doctrines (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

 

[Matthias]

The concessions of trinitarian scholarship is helpful (which is why I use them) but the trump is Jesus of Nazareth. His God (and my God) is only one person, the Father.

 

[CoreIssue]

The concessions of trinitarian scholarship is helpful (which is why I use them) but the trump is Jesus of Nazareth. His God (and my God) is only one person, the Father.

speaking as a human,

explain this:

John 1
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The Word Became Flesh​

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

 

[Matthias]

The concessions of trinitarian scholarship is helpful (which is why I use them) but the trump is Jesus of Nazareth. His God (and my God) is only one person, the Father.

speaking as a human,

explain this:

John 1​

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New International Version​

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The Word Became Flesh​

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

“Jesus of Nazareth is not a human person.” Do you agree or disagree?

 

[Matthias]

I’m fresh off of another forum where the stated trinitarian position (with the exception of one trinitarian member of that forum) on William Tyndale was that he was ignorant of Greek grammar. Do you agree or disagree with that position @CoreIssue?

P.S.

I’ll provide the name of that forum if you request it.

 

[Matthias]

Offered for readers who may not be familiar with William Tyndale -

William Tyndale

William Tyndale captured the heart and wealth of the English language and brought it into God’s service through Bible translation.

wycliffe.org.uk

 

[CoreIssue]

The concessions of trinitarian scholarship is helpful (which is why I use them) but the trump is Jesus of Nazareth. His God (and my God) is only one person, the Father.

speaking as a human,

explain this:

John 1​

​

​

New International Version​

​

​

​

The Word Became Flesh​

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

The concessions of trinitarian scholarship is helpful (which is why I use them) but the trump is Jesus of Nazareth. His God (and my God) is only one person, the Father.

speaking as a human,

explain this:

John 1​

​

​

New International Version​

​

​

​

The Word Became Flesh​

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

“Jesus of Nazareth is not a human person.” Do you agree or disagree?

disagree.

 

[Matthias]

The concessions of trinitarian scholarship is helpful (which is why I use them) but the trump is Jesus of Nazareth. His God (and my God) is only one person, the Father.

speaking as a human,

explain this:

John 1​

​

​

New International Version​

​

​

​

The Word Became Flesh​

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

The concessions of trinitarian scholarship is helpful (which is why I use them) but the trump is Jesus of Nazareth. His God (and my God) is only one person, the Father.

speaking as a human,

explain this:

John 1​

​

​

New International Version​

​

​

​

The Word Became Flesh​

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

“Jesus of Nazareth is not a human person.” Do you agree or disagree?

disagree.

Then you and I are in agreement that Jesus is a human person.

Trinitarianism has historically taught that Jesus is a divine person, not a human person.

Do you attend a church?

 

[CoreIssue]

The concessions of trinitarian scholarship is helpful (which is why I use them) but the trump is Jesus of Nazareth. His God (and my God) is only one person, the Father.

speaking as a human,

explain this:

John 1​

​

​

New International Version​

​

​

​

The Word Became Flesh​

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

The concessions of trinitarian scholarship is helpful (which is why I use them) but the trump is Jesus of Nazareth. His God (and my God) is only one person, the Father.

speaking as a human,

explain this:

John 1​

​

​

New International Version​

​

​

​

The Word Became Flesh​

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

“Jesus of Nazareth is not a human person.” Do you agree or disagree?

disagree.

Then you and I are in agreement that Jesus is a human person.

Trinitarianism has historically taught that Jesus is a divine person, not a human person.

Do you attend a church?

false claim.

define church.

 

[Matthias]

The concessions of trinitarian scholarship is helpful (which is why I use them) but the trump is Jesus of Nazareth. His God (and my God) is only one person, the Father.

speaking as a human,

explain this:

John 1​

​

​

New International Version​

​

​

​

The Word Became Flesh​

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

The concessions of trinitarian scholarship is helpful (which is why I use them) but the trump is Jesus of Nazareth. His God (and my God) is only one person, the Father.

speaking as a human,

explain this:

John 1​

​

​

New International Version​

​

​

​

The Word Became Flesh​

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

“Jesus of Nazareth is not a human person.” Do you agree or disagree?

disagree.

Then you and I are in agreement that Jesus is a human person.

Trinitarianism has historically taught that Jesus is a divine person, not a human person.

Do you attend a church?

false claim.

Church history is the claim. I didn’t write it. I read it.

 

[CoreIssue]

the bible and church history has taught Hypostatic union.

it is theological term for the facts.

 

[Matthias]

the bible and church history has taught Hypostatic union.

it is theological term for the facts.

You’re right about Church history teaching the doctrine of the Hypostatic Union. That’s what I’ve been appealing to in my conversation with you.

Fact: Jesus is only one person. The doctrine of the Hypostatic Union posits that he is a divine person, not a human person.

 

[CoreIssue]

no, he is both, just like our flesh life and spirit lives are different,

 

[Matthias]

no, he is both, just like our flesh life and spirit lives are different,

The doctrine of the Hypostatic Union teaches that the one person has two natures, divine and human.

The doctrine applies exclusively to the second person of the Trinity. Not to you. Not to me. Not to anyone else. Only to the second person of the Trinity.

 

[CoreIssue]

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=we+are+fkesh+soul+and+spirit