Students of the fallen angels
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Bruce-Leiter
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I was reading through Genesis again for my daily devotions and ran across chapter 34, which is a parallel chapter to the beginning of chapter 6, I believe. Jacob's family have settled near Shechem in Canaan, the Promised Land. It is a parallel narrative because God's people are in a pagan, immoral land. The descendants of Abraham are in danger of mixing in with the polytheistic Canaanites, as the latter want to happen. However, it is different in that Jacob's sons have the moral fiber to defend their sister against the rapist, and God protects them to escape any attacks. It's also similar since Noah and his family stand up against the wickedness of the culture around them and find escape from death.
Bruce-Leiter
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First, context is the most important factor in interpreting the Bible.
Second, Genesis 34 is also in the context of chapter six. It presents a similar situation except that Jacob's sons defend their sister from the immoral people of Shechem, who, as they say, wanted to eventually have Jacob's property through intermarriage with his family.
It's a parallel passage to Noah's situation but has different results because of the moral fiber and actions of Jacob's sons. Apparently, Seth's descendants didn't fight back but gave in to Cain's descendants.
But, as the chapter says, God protected Jacob and his family the way he did Noah's.
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when many people hear the title " Fallen Angel " they are imagining the Sinful , Sexually Devant and
" Lust Angels “ - " whom had Fallen Down From Heaven and went after - " Strange Flesh “
demons who have sex with women
PLEASE NOTICE THE PASSAGE IN = Rev 18:2
:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, “ Babylon the great is fallen, “ is fallen,
“ BABYLON THE GREAT IS FALLEN, “ is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
The passage is being used as a repeated consistently of other previous “ OLD TESTAMENT “ passages referring to Babylon as having “” FALLEN “” - - not refering to Satan or Fallen Angels
Also we see in - Isa 14:12
:12 How art thou fallen from heaven { the shining } Hallal / hêylêl / hay-lale-
איך How you - נפלת fell - משׁמים from heaven - הילל / Hallal - the shining Glory - בן־שׁחר son of the dawn - נגדעת you cut off - לארץ the land - חולשׁ and were weakened - על־גוים׃ upon the nations
Meaning
HOW YOU FELL FROM HEAVEN THE SHINING SON OF THE DAWN YOU CUT OFF THE LAND AND WERE WEAKENED UPON THE NATIONS
this passage is explaining that the king of Babylon was LITERALLY weakened upon the nations and fell down from his height of power.
Isa 14:4 ...... take up this proverb against the king of Babylon,: -
.... The king of Babylon, - is persecuted, and none hindereth.
:10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us? :11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, ...........the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT YOU NOR MYSELF CAN DEMONSTRATE FROM THE SCRIPTURES THAT SATAN NOR ANY ANGEL HAS EVER FALLEN OR BEEN REMOVED FROM HEAVEN - -
- - Satan and his Angels are still in the heavens and have not fallen down to the earth and been banned / removed / cast down - and are not cast out of heaven yet.
I just don't see evidence that there are " Fallen Angels : in the Bible.
in Rev 18:2 =
:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, “ Babylon the great is fallen, “ is fallen,
“ BABYLON THE GREAT IS FALLEN, “ is fallen
Also
Jer 51:8 Babylon is suddenly fallen and destroyed: howl for her; take balm for her pain, if so be she may be healed.
Rev 18:2 - - Babylon is suddenly fallen
Jer 51:8 - “ BABYLON THE GREAT IS FALLEN, “
I believe that this is in reference to previous Old Testament Passages where the “ King Of Babylon “ is mentioned having “ FALLEN “ from his Babylonian power and attempt to rise above others while united with evil and Satan ...
As Satan and Angels are spirts that tempt man to test them - however, even these Angels continue pushing this rebelion to atempt to tempt man to rebel against God and rise as Babylon even to this very day.
I SIMPLY DO NOT BELIEVE THAT YOU NOR MYSELF CAN DEMONSTRATE FROM THE SCRIPTURES THAT SATAN NOR ANY ANGEL HAS EVER FALLEN OR BEEN REMOVED FROM HEAVEN - -
IN FACT --- i DO BELIEVE THAT “ THE IDEA OF “ FALLEN ANGELS “ WHO HAVE BEEN REMOVED AND KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN IS SO FAR REMOVED AND SO COMPLETELY ABSENT FROM SCRIPTURE THAT WHEN JESUS SPOKE OF SATAN FALLEN FROM HEAVEN LIKE LIGHTENING THIS WAS NOT SAYING THAT SATAN IS BEING REMOVED OR KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN i DO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS NOT ANY SINGLE NOTION OR IDEA OF ANY “ FALLEN ANGELS “ WHO HAVE BEEN REMOVED AND KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN
BUT THAT SATAN IS SIMPLY COMMING DIRECTLY DOWARD FROM THE HEAVENS DOWN TO THE EARTH - NOT BEING REMOVED OR THROWN OUT BUT FALLING DOWN - OF HIS OWN CHOICE
THE PASSAGES WHERE WE SEE SATAN OR STARS - - FALLING FROM HEAVEN - - as a heavenly power falling upon its prey - - not being kicked out or removed from heaven....
or as a star or comet or astroid or even the example of a a bomb or missile or rocket that is falling
as the arrows fell upon the enemy or the enemy falls upon you
Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
"The attackers fell upon"
this is an idiomatic expression that means the attackers suddenly or forcefully attacked or descended upon a target.
Rev 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth
Mar 13:25 + :29 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
&&&& Also, we see Jesus himself who is described as lightning coming down from heaven
Satan was also described as = lightning coming down from heaven.
Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Luk 17:24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, .........so shall also the Son of man be in his day.
I believe that scripture bears out this to be the case and that there simply is no scripture to support an Old Testament narrative of any Angel or Spirit being removed or kicked out of heaven or having “ FALLEN “ from heaven as a result of a judgment from God
But in fact - Satan, Angels, Demons, Devils and Spirits are still holding power in heaven along side the Holy Angels of God and Satan and his rebellious Angels will even fight their final war “” directly in the heavens “ “
- as the Scriptures clearly explain.
when many people hear the title " Fallen Angel " they are imagining the Sinful , Sexually Devant and
" Lust Angels “ - " whom had Fallen Down From Heaven and went after - " Strange Flesh “
demons who have sex with women
PLEASE NOTICE THE PASSAGE IN = Rev 18:2
:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, “ Babylon the great is fallen, “ is fallen,
“ BABYLON THE GREAT IS FALLEN, “ is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
The passage is being used as a repeated consistently of other previous “ OLD TESTAMENT “ passages referring to Babylon as having “” FALLEN “” - - not refering to Satan or Fallen Angels
Also we see in - Isa 14:12
:12 How art thou fallen from heaven { the shining } Hallal / hêylêl / hay-lale-
איך How you - נפלת fell - משׁמים from heaven - הילל / Hallal - the shining Glory - בן־שׁחר son of the dawn - נגדעת you cut off - לארץ the land - חולשׁ and were weakened - על־גוים׃ upon the nations
Meaning
HOW YOU FELL FROM HEAVEN THE SHINING SON OF THE DAWN YOU CUT OFF THE LAND AND WERE WEAKENED UPON THE NATIONS
this passage is explaining that the king of Babylon was LITERALLY weakened upon the nations and fell down from his height of power.
Isa 14:4 ...... take up this proverb against the king of Babylon,: -
.... The king of Babylon, - is persecuted, and none hindereth.
:10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us? :11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, ...........the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT YOU NOR MYSELF CAN DEMONSTRATE FROM THE SCRIPTURES THAT SATAN NOR ANY ANGEL HAS EVER FALLEN OR BEEN REMOVED FROM HEAVEN - -
- - Satan and his Angels are still in the heavens and have not fallen down to the earth and been banned / removed / cast down - and are not cast out of heaven yet.
I just don't see evidence that there are " Fallen Angels : in the Bible.
in Rev 18:2 =
:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, “ Babylon the great is fallen, “ is fallen,
“ BABYLON THE GREAT IS FALLEN, “ is fallen
Also
Jer 51:8 Babylon is suddenly fallen and destroyed: howl for her; take balm for her pain, if so be she may be healed.
Rev 18:2 - - Babylon is suddenly fallen
Jer 51:8 - “ BABYLON THE GREAT IS FALLEN, “
I believe that this is in reference to previous Old Testament Passages where the “ King Of Babylon “ is mentioned having “ FALLEN “ from his Babylonian power and attempt to rise above others while united with evil and Satan ...
As Satan and Angels are spirts that tempt man to test them - however, even these Angels continue pushing this rebelion to atempt to tempt man to rebel against God and rise as Babylon even to this very day.
I SIMPLY DO NOT BELIEVE THAT YOU NOR MYSELF CAN DEMONSTRATE FROM THE SCRIPTURES THAT SATAN NOR ANY ANGEL HAS EVER FALLEN OR BEEN REMOVED FROM HEAVEN - -
IN FACT --- i DO BELIEVE THAT “ THE IDEA OF “ FALLEN ANGELS “ WHO HAVE BEEN REMOVED AND KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN IS SO FAR REMOVED AND SO COMPLETELY ABSENT FROM SCRIPTURE THAT WHEN JESUS SPOKE OF SATAN FALLEN FROM HEAVEN LIKE LIGHTENING THIS WAS NOT SAYING THAT SATAN IS BEING REMOVED OR KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN i DO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS NOT ANY SINGLE NOTION OR IDEA OF ANY “ FALLEN ANGELS “ WHO HAVE BEEN REMOVED AND KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN
BUT THAT SATAN IS SIMPLY COMMING DIRECTLY DOWARD FROM THE HEAVENS DOWN TO THE EARTH - NOT BEING REMOVED OR THROWN OUT BUT FALLING DOWN - OF HIS OWN CHOICE
THE PASSAGES WHERE WE SEE SATAN OR STARS - - FALLING FROM HEAVEN - - as a heavenly power falling upon its prey - - not being kicked out or removed from heaven....
or as a star or comet or astroid or even the example of a a bomb or missile or rocket that is falling
as the arrows fell upon the enemy or the enemy falls upon you
Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
"The attackers fell upon"
this is an idiomatic expression that means the attackers suddenly or forcefully attacked or descended upon a target.
Rev 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth
Mar 13:25 + :29 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
&&&& Also, we see Jesus himself who is described as lightning coming down from heaven
Satan was also described as = lightning coming down from heaven.
Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Luk 17:24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, .........so shall also the Son of man be in his day.
I believe that scripture bears out this to be the case and that there simply is no scripture to support an Old Testament narrative of any Angel or Spirit being removed or kicked out of heaven or having “ FALLEN “ from heaven as a result of a judgment from God
But in fact - Satan, Angels, Demons, Devils and Spirits are still holding power in heaven along side the Holy Angels of God and Satan and his rebellious Angels will even fight their final war “” directly in the heavens “ “
- as the Scriptures clearly explain.