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Is belief in the Trinity necessary for salvation?

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I believe so because to not is to deny what the Bible says God is. It constitutes another God to not believe in Trinity.
 

Heather Frank

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Wow, that's a delicate balance. Many historical noble people have believed in only one God before and after Christ, not all of them from Israel. People like that have usually been persecuted, and had to fight, because kind of watery weak inclusion and politically correct types thought they were disruptive. I think most people believe in the holy spirit, that's a human sense issue, and it seems very common for people to sense that, even in pagan weird polytheist societies. But a true trinity, with JUST Jesus as the third member of the Godhead, that's pretty rare. Usually, if you get close, you find out the believer is just some dumb bloke who thinks that Jesus being a man rubs off on him because he's one, and you find out that he's no better than a polytheist or a Hindu, and its just a guy thing.
 

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There has always been three persons in a unity of One God. Jesus is not God, He is the flesh that the second person of the Trinity inhabits.
 

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A creator, a man, and a spirit go between to unify them? Cool. Sounds like JRR Tolkien's Lord of the Rings.
God is three persons, spirits not flesh. Elohim means three in a unity of one. A marriage is a unity of two and one. An army is a unity of many in one.

The Holy Spirit created the flesh of Jesus. The second person of the Trinity indwelt that flesh. A unity of human and God. The flesh died on the cross because a human had to pay the penalty for sin. God cannot die.

We are triune beings. We have spirits that live in our flesh. Flesh dies, spirits do not. Our souls are where our spirits and flesh interact. Souls and die. At the resurrection we get new and glorified flesh.

That is why Jesus is sometimes referred to as a man and sometimes as God. His flesh is fully human while his spirit is fully God. He set aside his divinity to live and die as a man. But at times he spoke as God, as when he identified himself as the "I am"Of the burning bush. He is the alpha and the omega, meaning God without beginning. He is Jesus of the lineage of David. He is both.
 

Speak Light

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The Trinitarian Faith System is not entirely specifically only about the Trinity Doctrine

but the Trinitarian Faith System is about systematically going through the Bible and inserting and interjecting the Trinity doctrine into the Bible by altering and changing what the manuscripts say... The entirety of the Trinitarian Belief System - even morality and family and marriage - within the Trinitarian System of Faith - is based upon literally altering, changing and inserting their belief system into the Bible and changing the original.


The Trinitarian Translation has Jesus at or on the RIGHT HAND


in multiple passages - just as we see below.

Heb 10:12 Jesus - , is sat down on the RIGHT HAND of God;

Heb 12:2 Jesus - , is set down at the RIGHT HAND of the throne of God.


The Greek word that Trinitarians assign for RIGHT _ HAND is the ONE SINGLE WORD - the Greek word _ “ δεξιός - Dexios / Dex-ee-os '

BUT

The Greek Word for Hand is _ χείρ - Cheir / Khire

and Greek Word for Right is _ δεξιός - Dexios / Dex-ee-os'

Right = Dexios Greek δεξιός

Hand = Cheir GREEK χείρ

BUT THE GREEK WORD
HAND is never, never in a single one of any of these passages where Jesus is at or on the RIGHT _ HAND of God - NEVER ONCE

Notice the Manuscripts always tell You, SPECIFICALLY when it is the - RIGHT HAND

They always Put the Two Greek Words Together.


Right δεξιός - Hand χείρ



Mat 27:29 [ ON JESUS ] a crown of thorns, they put it upon his head, - and a reed in his δεξιός RIGHT - HAND χείρ - “

Luk 6: a man whose δεξιός RIGHT - HAND χείρ - “ was withered.

Act 3:7 And he took him by the δεξιός RIGHT - HAND χείρ - “

Rev 1:16 in his δεξιός RIGHT - HAND χείρ - “ seven stars:

Rev 1:17 laid his δεξιός RIGHT - HAND χείρ - “ upon me

Rev 13:16 a mark in their δεξιός RIGHT - HAND χείρ - “

Mat 25:33 the sheep from his δεξιός RIGHT - HAND χείρ - “

So in the passages where Trinitarians want to position Jesus
at the RIGHT HAND
the Greek word, is always simplyRight δεξιός of God

there is no “ HAND
χείρ - “ in a single one of these passages.

This was inserted only because the Trinitarians suppose and assume and presume and pre - suppose that Jesus is at or on the right hand of God.

Never do the manuscripts say that he is at the δεξιός RIGHT - HAND χείρ - “ of God.

Again - we have the Greek word δεξιός RIGHT in the passages below referring to the right eye, foot ear and eye

Mat 5:30 And if thy δεξιός RIGHT - eye ὀφθαλμός - “

Mat 5:39 on thy δεξιός RIGHT - cheek σιαγών “

Rev 10:2 he set his δεξιός RIGHT - foot πούς - “ upon the sea

Luk 22:50 cut off his δεξιός RIGHT - ear οὖς

Joh 18:10 δεξιός RIGHT - ear οὖς

The Greek word “ δεξιός RIGHT “ is not automatically converted into a meaning that depicts the Right HAND - it simply means “ THE RIGHT “ and then it will follow by having also the Greek word hand, foot, ear, eye or cheek.

But the passages where Jesus is on the right hand of God - this is one single Greek word

“ δεξιός RIGHT “ that the translators pretend and assume to indicate RIGHT HAND,

Never, in any passage of the manuscript is Jesus at or on the right hand of anything.

He us always IN and OUT of the “ δεξιός RIGHT “ of God.

Never are the Greek words ON or AT used to describe any of these passages

They change the word “ δεξιός RIGHT “ to mean right hand
And they also change the Greek words “ EN IN - and EX OUT “ into the words “ ON or AT

This is all done by inventing and formulating the Trinity by changing and altering words to mold into a pre conceived theory that is not a part of the manuscript message.

Even Jesus Himself contradicts the TRNITY

Rev 3:21 I also overcame, and am set down with my Father IN his throne.


Act 2:30 God “ father “ would raise up Christ to sit UPON his throne;

Rev 12:5 her child was caught up unto God, and to HIS throne.

If Jesus is ON or AT the RIGHT HAND of the throne = why does he claim to that he will sit IN the throne -
Jesus never mentions being ON or AT the RIGHT HAND - he declares he will sit IN / INSIDE the fathers throne.

How can Trinitarians continue to deny and change the original manuscripts - do Trinitarians have any manuscripts for any of their faith system ?
 

Speak Light

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Also, many people refer back to the Old Testament to the Hebrew word " Echad " meaning unity - or one of a plural

however, in Hebrew, there is no other word except " Echad " - meaning in Hebrew - there is no other word except for the word " Echad " to describe the word ONE

The Hebrew word " Echad " means unity united agreement and it also means a primary numeral one - singular.

IT DEPENDS ENTIRELY ON HOW THE WORD IS USED IN A SENTENCE

BUT - Trinitarians do not have this excuse in the Greek New Testament because the Greek language does have two different descriptive words -

Hice is - a primary numeral one - singular

and

Mia is meaning always - To agree or unity or AGREEMENT or UNITED

The Bible never says they The Three are = THREE INDIVIDUAL, DISTINCT PERSONS - and Yahoshua nor the Bible never ever once describes his character or RELATIONSHIP with the Father - using the words such as the Greek MIA

MIA is “ UNITY nor AGREEMENT “

but it says these Three are - .1 - This Greek word “ ONE “ is 1. _ One - Meaning = A primary numeral 1. This Is the word = ε ἱ ͂ς - “ Heis “ - hice / hice. Meaning = A primary numeral; one: one only.

The Greek word meaning to agree or UNITY or AGREEMENT or UNITE is the word - - “ MIA “ - μ ία. – mia - mee'-ah - in Greek - means = To agree or unity or AGREEMENT or UNITED.

This word “ one in - UNITY or AGREEMENT, is not used even once.

Bible believers find in the manuscripts that - never once, does the Bible say anywhere - that The Father, Son and Spirit are simply united, agreed or unity. This trinity, unity is nowhere in any passage of any scripture.

it is always the Greek word - Hice is - a primary numeral one - singular .
 
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