Psychology

[a.baker]

Is anyone here interested in Psychology or the way we think?

I am. I wonder how I think so I can learn better and more efficiently. Look at myself more from the outside. I understand my past and where I am. I personally am more interested about the now, today and small future.

Since I have found Christ the old self is washed away, now I wonder who I am, I COMPLETELY got rid of the old. Joyous in my simple life every day, sure, but I feel there's more to discover.

How do you guys feel about learning how you think or discovering more how our minds work?

I have a nephew whose autistic and I found out by listening to an autistic speaker that they think in pictures. That helps me to better understand my nephew. She says, "think of the word shoe, an autistic person begins to automatically think of many different shoes they have seen before kinda like searching for the word shoe on Google." She said they are picture thinkers.

Now my daughter is having some simular difficulties as I did in school. I think its related to the way we think and how we grasp and learn. If I could better understand the way I think maybe I could help her better with 'getting it' with school. Hands on versus lecture is a good place to start. That's why I did horrible in many subjects especially history.

Please add to whatever...

[a.baker]

hmmm fear and coping for young children, ones whom haven't experienced many bad things at all but has great and many fears :scratch: Could this just be imagination or a sign of something else?

But doesn't fear the things the child should, rather fears small things even with explanation.

[CoreIssue]

I am one that learns more by doing that just reading. Come fast when I can see and absorb patterns.

Great remembering details but lousy remembering names, which is strange.

[Jessie]

hmmm fear and coping for young children, ones whom haven't experienced many bad things at all but has great and many fears :scratch: Could this just be imagination or a sign of something else?

But doesn't fear the things the child should, rather fears small things even with explanation.

the child would be more sensitive I would think.
needing more encouragement, and just knowing someone is there.
fears sometimes are'nt rational, they just are there.

sometimes it has things to do with the parents like picking up signals from them that the parent is'nt even aware of .

[Jessie]

I am one that learns more by doing that just reading. Come fast when I can see and absorb patterns.

Great remembering details but lousy remembering names, which is strange.

same here.
I like to just do it to learn it. if someone tells me about it.... it goes in one ear and out the other.

[a.baker]

I am one that learns more by doing that just reading. Come fast when I can see and absorb patterns.

Great remembering details but lousy remembering names, which is strange.

Yeah I'm very bad at remembering names ans sometimes faces too. I can't memorize things to save my life lol, had a hard time in school with that. I wonder if we focus on what we subconsciously think is important.:scratch:

[a.baker]

hmmm fear and coping for young children, ones whom haven't experienced many bad things at all but has great and many fears :scratch: Could this just be imagination or a sign of something else?

But doesn't fear the things the child should, rather fears small things even with explanation.

the child would be more sensitive I would think.
needing more encouragement, and just knowing someone is there.
fears sometimes are'nt rational, they just are there.

sometimes it has things to do with the parents like picking up signals from them that the parent is'nt even aware of .

Yeah that could also be a reason. :nod:
But with older children you wonder if theres not something else. They for example should have a fear of getting hit by a car so should look before they cross the street. The lack of that being there raises a question.

[Jessie]

hmmm fear and coping for young children, ones whom haven't experienced many bad things at all but has great and many fears :scratch: Could this just be imagination or a sign of something else?

But doesn't fear the things the child should, rather fears small things even with explanation.

the child would be more sensitive I would think.
needing more encouragement, and just knowing someone is there.
fears sometimes are'nt rational, they just are there.

sometimes it has things to do with the parents like picking up signals from them that the parent is'nt even aware of .

Yeah that could also be a reason. :nod:
But with older children you wonder if theres not something else. They for example should have a fear of getting hit by a car so should look before they cross the street. The lack of that being there raises a question.

I see young and old doing this.
they just expect cars to stop and walk right on....
what happened if the brakes are'nt working?
to me its like they've gotten lazy and thoughtless and arrogent.

best to look, cause that car is bigger than us!

[CoreIssue]

I don't know why we struggle in remembering. Really do not.

[Willy]

We have to remember also that our minds are more than our own thoughts. Does that sound strange? ... true none the less. Our minds are where the real battle is taking place, a battle for each person born on this planet. :nod:

[a.baker]

We have to remember also that our minds are more than our own thoughts. Does that sound strange? ... true none the less. Our minds are where the real battle is taking place, a battle for each person born on this planet. :nod:



:nod:

[xhacker]

I don't know why we struggle in remembering. Really do not.
At a simplistic level, there are two primary memory systems in the human mind: a short-term, or “working,” memory (a reasonable analogy is the RAM in your computer) that temporarily holds information about just a few things that we are currently thinking about; and a long-lasting memory that can hold massive amounts of information gained through a lifetime of thoughts and experiences (analogy would be the computer hard drive). These two memory systems are also thought to differ in the level of detail they provide: working memory provides sharp detail about the few things we are presently thinking about, whereas long-term memory provides a much fuzzier picture about lots of different things we have seen or experienced. That is, although we can hold lots of things in long-term memory, the details of the memory aren’t always crystal-clear and are often limited to just the gist of what we saw or what happened.

However the 'fuzzy' picture of long term memory is more detailed than we think, if a stimulus is applied, such as the smell of an old school class room or a picture of old friends, you will often find your memory becomes much less 'fuzzy'. So forgetfulness it seems, is a fault in the voluntary searching mechanism that happens to be prone to interference and forgetfulness.

(A. - it might be worth getting your daughter checked for dyslexia, although more common in boys, can affect girls as well.)

[CoreIssue]

I don't know why we struggle in remembering. Really do not.
At a simplistic level, there are two primary memory systems in the human mind: a short-term, or “working,” memory (a reasonable analogy is the RAM in your computer) that temporarily holds information about just a few things that we are currently thinking about; and a long-lasting memory that can hold massive amounts of information gained through a lifetime of thoughts and experiences (analogy would be the computer hard drive). These two memory systems are also thought to differ in the level of detail they provide: working memory provides sharp detail about the few things we are presently thinking about, whereas long-term memory provides a much fuzzier picture about lots of different things we have seen or experienced. That is, although we can hold lots of things in long-term memory, the details of the memory aren’t always crystal-clear and are often limited to just the gist of what we saw or what happened.

However the 'fuzzy' picture of long term memory is more detailed than we think, if a stimulus is applied, such as the smell of an old school class room or a picture of old friends, you will often find your memory becomes much less 'fuzzy'. So forgetfulness it seems, is a fault in the voluntary searching mechanism that happens to be prone to interference and forgetfulness.

(A. - it might be worth getting your daughter checked for dyslexia, although more common in boys, can affect girls as well.)
I understand the mechanics, but there is more too it than just that. There is also personality, priorities and such that science cannot even explain why they exist.

[xhacker]

I don't know why we struggle in remembering. Really do not.
At a simplistic level, there are two primary memory systems in the human mind: a short-term, or “working,” memory (a reasonable analogy is the RAM in your computer) that temporarily holds information about just a few things that we are currently thinking about; and a long-lasting memory that can hold massive amounts of information gained through a lifetime of thoughts and experiences (analogy would be the computer hard drive). These two memory systems are also thought to differ in the level of detail they provide: working memory provides sharp detail about the few things we are presently thinking about, whereas long-term memory provides a much fuzzier picture about lots of different things we have seen or experienced. That is, although we can hold lots of things in long-term memory, the details of the memory aren’t always crystal-clear and are often limited to just the gist of what we saw or what happened.

However the 'fuzzy' picture of long term memory is more detailed than we think, if a stimulus is applied, such as the smell of an old school class room or a picture of old friends, you will often find your memory becomes much less 'fuzzy'. So forgetfulness it seems, is a fault in the voluntary searching mechanism that happens to be prone to interference and forgetfulness.

(A. - it might be worth getting your daughter checked for dyslexia, although more common in boys, can affect girls as well.)
I understand the mechanics, but there is more too it than just that. There is also personality, priorities and such that science cannot even explain why they exist.
I simply answered your question:

I don't know why we struggle in remembering.Not sure there is much controversial there .. :(

[CoreIssue]

I disagree. There is more to the mind, how we think, what we think and such than just the mechanics.

Those that do not believe we have a spirit try to explain it all away as biochemical actions. Yet there are so many components of 'us' that cannot be thus explained.

Yes, the mechanics count, no disagreement. But as with any machine the operator must be taken into account, not the machine alone.

[xhacker]

I disagree. There is more to the mind, how we think, what we think and such than just the mechanics.

Those that do not believe we have a spirit try to explain it all away as biochemical actions. Yet there are so many components of 'us' that cannot be thus explained.

Yes, the mechanics count, no disagreement. But as with any machine the operator must be taken into account, not the machine alone.
To try and explain any living organism as a 'bio-chemical' action does not do justice to the complication involved.

All things in the (known) universe derive from 92 elements, however this is not a good indicator to how complicated the universe is.

Computers work in binary, but are capable of incredible things.

Warning nerdy joke:
There are 10 types of people in the world, those that understand binary and those that dontThe human mind may have a bio-chemical structure, however this is as good a description of the mind as 92 elements is of the universe.

[CoreIssue]

It side steps the issues of what those 92 elements cannot do.

We are not computers in the sense you cannot reduce our reasoning or personalities to simple binary codes.

There are too many things about us that do not come from input of the Universe.

Psychology, in example, rejects the concept of a soul. Very strange since the very definition of the word means study of the soul.

[a.baker]

Someone pointed out today how those with Alzheimer's that knew God before they had the disease still remember songs and scripture. But they seem to forget everything else, like what a washcloth is for, what their name is , what their doing, their mother or anything. Short or long term is affected and lost/mixed up, but the remembrance of God and who he is never seems to get lost or mixed up to a point where they can recite scripture, now how amazing as that. As the things of the world rust and our bodies decay our God stands through everything.

[Jessie]

we are far more complicated than robots LOL
we can have a peice of something but psycology tries to put the person in a box.
too many variables for that to work.

[a.baker]

we are far more complicated than robots LOL
we can have a peice of something but psycology tries to put the person in a box.
too many variables for that to work.

No I'd say it is a very helpful thing, its just not perfected and never will be. But I think we learn a lot from it. You have to remember many are in the profession that probably shouldn't be to.

There's the good kind and the nonsense kind and you have to separate the two.

[Jessie]

we are far more complicated than robots LOL
we can have a peice of something but psycology tries to put the person in a box.
too many variables for that to work.

No I'd say it is a very helpful thing, its just not perfected and never will be. But I think we learn a lot from it. You have to remember many are in the profession that probably shouldn't be to.

There's the good kind and the nonsense kind and you have to separate the two.

LOL you did'nt understand me.
I dont have a problem with it, its the putting it all in a box I have a problems with as things just are'nt that simple.
with those here and my therapist they pulled me out of wof.
they had to walk me out of it...
it was'nt easy either.

it has some good stuff and some bad...
many are not biblical and stick with that many are getting new agey.

[xhacker]

It side steps the issues of what those 92 elements cannot do.

We are not computers in the sense you cannot reduce our reasoning or personalities to simple binary codes.

There are too many things about us that do not come from input of the Universe.

Psychology, in example, rejects the concept of a soul. Very strange since the very definition of the word means study of the soul.
In neuroscience (not an area im an expert in), it is possible to map (called the sensory cortex), through techniques such as functional MRIs, where in the brain we process different tasks. This can be very specific, for example face recognition (which is very important in humans), has a specific area of the brain where this processing occurs.

Warning evolutionary content:
The brain is broken down into:

1. The R-complex
2. The Limbic system and
3. The neo-cortex

The R-Complex is the part of our brain we share with Reptiles, and controls functions like rage and fight-or-flight responses. The Limbic system and neo-cortex are the mammalian parts of the brain, these structures (not surprisingly from an evolutionary sense) exist in the outer areas of the brain. The Limbic system is the source of emotions other than fear and anger, some aspects of personal identity, and some memory functions. The neo-cortex, also known as the cerebral cortex, resembles the brain of more recent mammals in that it controls more highly evolved mentation such as reason and speech, consciousness is held in the front of the brain.
evolutionary bit over

Interesting facts are that although there is the sensory cortex (brain mapping), if bits of the brain are taken away at an early stage, the brain will use other areas of the brain to perform functions that would have gone on in the missing area. If you are blind the brain will use parts of the visual cortex in the auditory cortex (effectively improve your processing of sound).

The point being that if there is a soul, then it seems very attached to the structure. Your personality can change dramatically if the front of your brain is damaged - why would this be the case if you have a soul?

[Jessie]

what exactly is the soul?

you know thats a interesting thing about damage in the front of the brain,
and its effects wonder if thats why hindus have the 3rd eye there?
is there a connection?

[a.baker]

what exactly is the soul?

you know thats a interesting thing about damage in the front of the brain,
and its effects wonder if thats why hindus have the 3rd eye there?
is there a connection?
hmmm thats an interesting thought.

[a.baker]

we are far more complicated than robots LOL
we can have a peice of something but psycology tries to put the person in a box.
too many variables for that to work.

No I'd say it is a very helpful thing, its just not perfected and never will be. But I think we learn a lot from it. You have to remember many are in the profession that probably shouldn't be to.

There's the good kind and the nonsense kind and you have to separate the two.

LOL you did'nt understand me.
I dont have a problem with it, its the putting it all in a box I have a problems with as things just are'nt that simple.
with those here and my therapist they pulled me out of wof.
they had to walk me out of it...
it was'nt easy either.

it has some good stuff and some bad...
many are not biblical and stick with that many are getting new agey.

:nod:
Its also one of those things we can't hold or test like science and it also involves in having faith in the person your talking to to get a correct diagnosis or understanding. I believe a good psychologist looks at the person as a person not a text book product. A good psychologist would also have to have a big heart if they really wanted to understand and patience too.

[xhacker]

what exactly is the soul?

you know thats a interesting thing about damage in the front of the brain,
and its effects wonder if thats why hindus have the 3rd eye there?
is there a connection?
That is indeed the question - what is the Soul. I presume it cannot be reliant on the structure of the brain, it cannot be age related, it cannot be memory related; im not sure that leaves a huge amount left?

[CoreIssue]

what exactly is the soul?

you know thats a interesting thing about damage in the front of the brain,
and its effects wonder if thats why hindus have the 3rd eye there?
is there a connection?
That is indeed the question - what is the Soul. I presume it cannot be reliant on the structure of the brain, it cannot be age related, it cannot be memory related; im not sure that leaves a huge amount left?
It basically means the essence, totality, of what a person is. That transcends one's body.

[Jessie]

then how is the spirit defined? :scratch:

[CoreIssue]

then how is the spirit defined? :scratch:
A spirit is a the non physical make up of a human and the composition of God and angels, who are spirit beings, not physical.