The Collapse of a Christian Pillar

[Ben Masada]

The Collapse of a Christian Pillar

TNK (Tanakh). Not quite TNT but it will explode all the same as to bring down one of the pillars of Christianity. T stands for Torah, N for Neviim, and K for Ketuvim. Torah is the Law, Neviim are the prophetic books, and Ketuvim, are the historical or literary books.

According to Judaism, there were 55 Prophets in the History of Israel, and Daniel was not one of them. Therefore, when the Jewish Canon was organized, the book of Daniel was not taken in consideration as a prophetic book. So, the book of Daniel was accounted among the historical books of the Tanakh.

Why? How could such a book as the book of Daniel not be considered among the prophetic books of the Tanakh but a literary book of History?

First and foremost, the book of Daniel was not written by Daniel. Second, the book takes its name, not from the author, who is actually unknown, but from its hero, a young Jew taken earlier to Babylon, where he lived at least until 538 BCE.

The Book of Daniel was written during the bitter persecution carried on by Antiochus IV (167-164 BCE) with the purpose to strengthen and comfort the Jewish People in their ordeal. Probably, the same author of the Book of Daniel wrote also the two volumes of the book of the Maccabees.

Then, the book was patronized by John Hyrcanus, a Jewish King from the Hasmonian Dynasty, who died in 104 BCE. He was famous for promoting Art and Literature.

Now, for the Christian pillar that has collapsed with this revelation about Daniel. The TNT resides in the famous so-called "prophetic" frame of Daniel 9:24-27, which was written after the facts, as it classifies the book of Daniel as a historical and not prophetic book.

Therefore, here ends the bickering and babel of confusion to try to fit Jesus into a prophecy which was never a prophecy in the first place. However, as a historical book, the author, who, nobody knows was, did gain his place for the accuracy of events, as secular History confirms.

Ben

[Jessie]

Why? How could such a book as the book of Daniel not be considered among the prophetic books of the Tanakh but a literary book of History?


look at how nicely it lines up with rev...
and its very obvious its a comin..

[Ben Masada]

Why? How could such a book as the book of Daniel not be considered among the prophetic books of the Tanakh but a literary book of History?


look at how nicely it lines up with rev...
and its very obvious its a comin..


If you have understood my thread, it's all there. The book was written hundres of years after the exile. About 164 to 167 BCE. It was written as a fait accompli. History, past facts. Nothing said about the future, the 70 years as a prophecy was reported by Jeremiah, who was the Prophet. (Jer. 25:11) The unknown autor of the Book of Daniel wrote history in prophetic terms but not as prophecy.

The Book lines up nicely with Revelation, because the serveral authors of the Book of Revelation plagiarized and paraphrased the Book of Daniel into Apocalypse Literature.

[a.baker]

Looking in Wiki it says that the authorship is a debate of whom. The date also is a debate. I don't believe you bring facts but your own belief. Nothing will ever bring Jesus down, prophecy or how ever you want to take it or scripture.

[Ben Masada]

Looking in Wiki it says that the authorship is a debate of whom. The date also is a debate. I don't believe you bring facts but your own belief. Nothing will ever bring Jesus down, prophecy or how ever you want to take it or scripture.


I am not bringing my own beliefs. If you check any website about the Prophets of Israel, you will be shown 55 Prophets and Daniel won't be one them. And in the Bible, if you did not know, the Book of Daniel is not part of the prophetic books but the historical ones.

The collapsed Christian pillar I am referring to is not the Book of Daniel but only that frame of Daniel 9:24-27, which some Christians, especially SDA's consider it as if it were the last word to establish Jesus as the Messiah. The party is over. That frame is historical and not prophetic.:aah:

[Willy]

Ezekiel 28:3

Behold, thou [art] wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee:
:):

[Willy]

Daniel is as established as the author, throughout the contents of the book.

Daniel 12:4

4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, [even] to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Daniel 12:9

9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words [are] closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
Jesus also attributes the book’s authorship to Daniel in the Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24:15, Mark 13:14).

Matthew 24:15-25

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here [is] Christ, or there; believe [it] not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.:nod:

[Willy]

Looking in Wiki it says that the authorship is a debate of whom. The date also is a debate. I don't believe you bring facts but your own belief. Nothing will ever bring Jesus down, prophecy or how ever you want to take it or scripture.


I am not bringing my own beliefs. If you check any website about the Prophets of Israel, you will be shown 55 Prophets and Daniel won't be one them. And in the Bible, if you did not know, the Book of Daniel is not part of the prophetic books but the historical ones.

The collapsed Christian pillar I am referring to is not the Book of Daniel but only that frame of Daniel 9:24-27, which some Christians, especially SDA's consider it as if it were the last word to establish Jesus as the Messiah. The party is over. That frame is historical and not prophetic.:aah:

Actually Ben, The Lord Jesus established the whole Old Testament as a testimony of His claim to be Messiah.

John 5:39

Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Luke 24:44-48

44 And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me.

45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

48 And ye are witnesses of these things.

What kind of a Messiah were (are) you expecting?

Israel has indeed been a light to the Gentiles and will be again. They have presented God's Lamb to be offered a sacrifice for sin (and more), something that they have prepared for since Sinai. A Chosen People loved by God. (and me) As a Nation, one day not far from today the Vail over their understanding will be lifted and they will rejoice in something quite amazing. Until that time, what Israel has done has brought salvation to the nations.
When that time is full, Israel will be grafted back in. Just think about it. You will be able to read and understand the Law of the Offerings and see that the sin of a man can not be atoned by the death of an animal.
The Righteous Judge has taken the penalty on Himself in the person of his Son. God has supplied His Ram and the sacrifices have stopped. (They will start up again for a season.)
While Israel as a nation is vailed, individuals can still be saved now and are being saved. All they have to do is take responsibility (just like any gentile) for their sin in putting Jesus on the cross. You did what God new any fallen man would do. Your guilt is my guilt; all are guilty. God is the only Savior and gets the rightful glory.

Where is pride then? Where is ego? Where is the boasting? To whom goes the Glory? ... to God. :nod:

Or are you expecting a lesser Messiah?

... come on Ben. :nod::nod::nod: