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MrFish
06-30-2009, 11:24 PM
It's a long post but I think you'l be interested (it's out of the ordinary, I think). Please don't be like the last forum I posted this on. They deleted my post, banned me, and when I was seeking someone to answer my questions, they IP banned me. I have serious questions, if you think this is a fake, try it yourself. It's not.

I've been a Christian all my life. I'm a strong Christian and I believe Jesus Christ died on the cross. I've always been curious about demons. I'm not afraid of them, I don't believe in "spirits" or talking to people once dead, just demons. I wanted to ask demons questions that the Bible and my youth pastor and pastor could not answer. I always ask questions in church that they don't know that answer to, and I look like this guy- :aah:

Ha ha, no but seriously. So I was searching google for a way to talk to demons. I looked into summoning demons, but that seemed satanic so I stayed away from that. I was looking on youtube for maybe a video where someone talked to a demon, but I got nothing but acted "attacks" of demons and it was lame. So instead of searching for demons, I searched for "spirits" (because not all people know they are demons). That's where I started getting somewhere! I saw this Ouija board thing. I was skeptical because of all the fakers on the internet, but I saw a video of someone who made a pizza box into a board. I don't know if their video was real but if you didn't have to a buy a board I might as well try it. So I googled it some more.

So I made a Ouija board. The internet said you have to have more then 1 person to do it. So I asked the one person who wouldn't think I'm crazy. My little brother, who is 10 years old (I'm 16 by the way). He agreed to do it. I made my Ouija board and used a shot glass as the cursor. Don't worry, it's a starbucks espresso shot glass :P! And I started by asking-

"If there are any demons or spirits. Please say yes"

I was amazing, excited and frightened at the same time. Almost immediately, the cursor moved to the "Yes" I wrote out in the bottom left of my board. It was pretty slow at first, but we got better and now the shot glass moves rather quickly. The question after that I asked.

"Are you a demon?"

The cursor began to move to the "No". But I said-

"Stop" (it then stopped)
"Don't lie to me. Are you a demon?"

It moved back to the yes! So I asked (because they always do it on the videos. I though, I might as well even though I know the answer)

"Are you a good spirit"

The cursor moved to the no. At least he was honest. We asked it some more questions but were stopped early. My mother came down the stairs at around 3am because she couldn't sleep. So we hid the makeshift board for later. Answers I got-

- This demon we talked to, his name was RTV. He said it stood for something but I never found out what. The R stands for RSF (I was confused, so I stopped asking).

- This demon, and all demons, are 7453 years old. I'm guessing that's the age of the earth as well.

I also asked how old the earth was, but it said "Goodbye". Almost immediate after I had to hide the board from my mother. Maybe the demon was trying to hide it too. I told my older brother about this. He believed me (why would I lie?). He told me it was bad. I asked "How is it bad to have questions the BIBLE can't answer?". He couldn't argue with that. So the next morning he was asking about the Ouija board, so I said- "Let me just show you". He agreed but didn't want to participate. But he eventually did because my little brother wasn't there, and it takes two people to make it work. The demon was polite but tried to lie to us again. It tried to tell us it was an angel later but we caught it fibbing (even though we knew it was lying in the first place). We got answers from yes or no questions. Some of them more more serious, some of them we were just fooling around. What I know now-

- I have 3 demons in my house. They are assigned to our family. There names are RTV, Aezh, and the last name escapes me. I also have 2 angels in my house. Their names are A, and G. They were making sure the demons followed the rules. If they couldn't answer they would say- "G" and "No".

- We asked if satan was defeted. They tried to lie and say no, but I told them to tell the truth. They changed their answer and said yes, satan was defeated. They also said Jesus Christ died on the cross and won.

- They like to watch movies and are often bored. They say we play too many video games. I'm also building a website. The demon I talked to thinks it's a bad idea and can't tell me if it will be profitable. They do know programming languages though!

- This demon was good at math, but didn't like math. I also asked it if it like to spell out words, so it started selecting random letters. So I started to sing the ABCs and it went from a to b to c to d all the way to z as I sang it! That made me laugh.

- I asked them my name and they spelled it out correctly. Ironically enough, they thought I was 15 years old (not 16). I corrected them, and they corrected themselves by moving the cursor from 5 to 6.

- We asked them if they hated us. They said yes. We told them that we didn't hate them, but they still hate us. We said that we wish they could have a second chance, but again they still hated us. We asked if they hated us because god favored us over angels, they said yes. We asked them if they would repent if they could, they said they couldn't answer the question.

- We asked them if it was a sin to use the Ouija board, they said yes. Then we asked if the angels wanted us to stop, the demon said yes. Then we asked if he wanted us to stop, the demon said no. This is where we stopped. We were bored anyway but we wanted to do what the angels wanted.

We asked it a lot of stupid questions as well as serious question. I can't remember them all. Some stupid questions were like- "Do you like Batman The Dark Night?" They do, ha ha ha! We also asked it to make our light flicker, they did, but it was hard to tell. My brother couldn't see it flickering, but I did. I don't know why they were so weak. I asked it to move a piece of paper next, but G, the angel, said it was not allowed.

Anyway, this is what happened. It's very easy to talk to demons. I recommend everyone does it, you got to know how many demons you have in your house and what's their agenda. It's not as scary as it sounds to talk to your demons. You have angels to protect you. But I didn't come here to advertise it, I need to know what other Christians think about this.

- Is this a sin?
- Is this demon worship? (I don't know how it is!)
- Is there any other problems with this? I like asking questions. Serious questions. I can control the demons, so it's not unsafe.

What do you people think about this? Please don't ban me! What kind of Christians would you be?

Willy
07-01-2009, 03:25 AM
It's a long post but I think you'l be interested (it's out of the ordinary, I think). Please don't be like the last forum I posted this on. They deleted my post, banned me, and when I was seeking someone to answer my questions, they IP banned me. I have serious questions, if you think this is a fake, try it yourself. It's not.

I've been a Christian all my life.... not possible ... all are born with sin nature ... must have crisis, repent ... and be born again.

I'm a strong Christian and I believe Jesus Christ died on the cross.... and what does His death on the cross have to do with you?

... I would be very happy If you answered correctly.


I've always been curious about demons. I'm not afraid of them, I don't believe in "spirits" or talking to people once dead, just demons. I wanted to ask demons questions that the Bible and my youth pastor and pastor could not answer.


I always ask questions in church that they don't know that answer to, and I look like this guy- :aah:

Ha ha, no but seriously. So I was searching google for a way to talk to demons. I looked into summoning demons, but that seemed satanic so I stayed away from that. I was looking on youtube for maybe a video where someone talked to a demon, but I got nothing but acted "attacks" of demons and it was lame. So instead of searching for demons, I searched for "spirits" (because not all people know they are demons). That's where I started getting somewhere! I saw this Ouija board thing. I was skeptical because of all the fakers on the internet, but I saw a video of someone who made a pizza box into a board. I don't know if their video was real but if you didn't have to a buy a board I might as well try it. So I googled it some more.

So I made a Ouija board. The internet said you have to have more then 1 person to do it. So I asked the one person who wouldn't think I'm crazy. My little brother, who is 10 years old (I'm 16 by the way). He agreed to do it. I made my Ouija board and used a shot glass as the cursor. Don't worry, it's a starbucks espresso shot glass :P! And I started by asking-

"If there are any demons or spirits. Please say yes"

I was amazing, excited and frightened at the same time. Almost immediately, the cursor moved to the "Yes" I wrote out in the bottom left of my board. It was pretty slow at first, but we got better and now the shot glass moves rather quickly. The question after that I asked.

"Are you a demon?"

The cursor began to move to the "No". But I said-

"Stop" (it then stopped)
"Don't lie to me. Are you a demon?"

It moved back to the yes! So I asked (because they always do it on the videos. I though, I might as well even though I know the answer)

"Are you a good spirit"

The cursor moved to the no. At least he was honest. We asked it some more questions but were stopped early. My mother came down the stairs at around 3am because she couldn't sleep. So we hid the makeshift board for later. Answers I got-

- This demon we talked to, his name was RTV. He said it stood for something but I never found out what. The R stands for RSF (I was confused, so I stopped asking).

- This demon, and all demons, are 7453 years old. I'm guessing that's the age of the earth as well.

I also asked how old the earth was, but it said "Goodbye". Almost immediate after I had to hide the board from my mother. Maybe the demon was trying to hide it too. I told my older brother about this. He believed me (why would I lie?). He told me it was bad. I asked "How is it bad to have questions the BIBLE can't answer?". He couldn't argue with that. So the next morning he was asking about the Ouija board, so I said- "Let me just show you". He agreed but didn't want to participate. But he eventually did because my little brother wasn't there, and it takes two people to make it work. The demon was polite but tried to lie to us again. It tried to tell us it was an angel later but we caught it fibbing (even though we knew it was lying in the first place). We got answers from yes or no questions. Some of them more more serious, some of them we were just fooling around. What I know now-

- I have 3 demons in my house. They are assigned to our family. There names are RTV, Aezh, and the last name escapes me. I also have 2 angels in my house. Their names are A, and G. They were making sure the demons followed the rules. If they couldn't answer they would say- "G" and "No".

- We asked if satan was defeted. They tried to lie and say no, but I told them to tell the truth. They changed their answer and said yes, satan was defeated. They also said Jesus Christ died on the cross and won.

- They like to watch movies and are often bored. They say we play too many video games. I'm also building a website. The demon I talked to thinks it's a bad idea and can't tell me if it will be profitable. They do know programming languages though!

- This demon was good at math, but didn't like math. I also asked it if it like to spell out words, so it started selecting random letters. So I started to sing the ABCs and it went from a to b to c to d all the way to z as I sang it! That made me laugh.

- I asked them my name and they spelled it out correctly. Ironically enough, they thought I was 15 years old (not 16). I corrected them, and they corrected themselves by moving the cursor from 5 to 6.

- We asked them if they hated us. They said yes. We told them that we didn't hate them, but they still hate us. We said that we wish they could have a second chance, but again they still hated us. We asked if they hated us because god favored us over angels, they said yes. We asked them if they would repent if they could, they said they couldn't answer the question.

- We asked them if it was a sin to use the Ouija board, they said yes. Then we asked if the angels wanted us to stop, the demon said yes. Then we asked if he wanted us to stop, the demon said no. This is where we stopped. We were bored anyway but we wanted to do what the angels wanted.

We asked it a lot of stupid questions as well as serious question. I can't remember them all. Some stupid questions were like- "Do you like Batman The Dark Night?" They do, ha ha ha! We also asked it to make our light flicker, they did, but it was hard to tell. My brother couldn't see it flickering, but I did. I don't know why they were so weak. I asked it to move a piece of paper next, but G, the angel, said it was not allowed.

Anyway, this is what happened. It's very easy to talk to demons. I recommend everyone does it, you got to know how many demons you have in your house and what's their agenda. It's not as scary as it sounds to talk to your demons. You have angels to protect you. But I didn't come here to advertise it, I need to know what other Christians think about this.

- Is this a sin?
- Is this demon worship? (I don't know how it is!)
- Is there any other problems with this? I like asking questions. Serious questions. I can control the demons, so it's not unsafe.

What do you people think about this? Please don't ban me! What kind of Christians would you be?
... did the same thing before I was saved ... although not in such detail. I was older than you ... 23 years.

... I was living in an abandoned Mennonite homestead in Black Creek on Vancouver Island ... 1974 ... the new ager's had taken it over. It was a bit of a communal living situation. One wall of one house was filled with books on the occult ... satanic bible ... summoning spirit guides etc. ... ouija board ... tarot cards.

... a lot of people don't believe that a ouija board is any more than a novelty ... but then again their are many who know exactly what it is capable of.

... what you have done is provide an interface or contact point for the demons. ... there are many others.

... I did a tarot card reading for myself ... 1974 ... and the reading seemed 100% correct.

... defined me exactly ... details no others knew.

... I said seemed correct because the reading said I would die at the age of 57.

... I knew ... although I was not yet saved ... that I was dealing with the darkside.

... saved April 1976.

... as said ... the demons are not here to play with or for your amusement.

... they will do all they can to wreck you ... spiritually and physically.

... they will tell you 100 true things to plant one lie.

... they would love to have your company for eternity and are "antichrist"

... so ... throw out the interface and deal directly in verbal prayer with the "God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the Creator of heaven and earth."

... this defines the God you are speaking to.

... ask Him and Him alone to reveal His Son Jesus to you.

... if you are in tune be prepared to witness the spiritual battle for your life.:cross:

... not a game ... 100% serious.:pray:

Willy:tiphat:

MrFish
07-01-2009, 04:14 AM
Well, I think you know what I mean when I say "I've been a Christian my whole life". Simply as early as I could comprehend it. I also just want some answers. And I do believe I could tell when they were lying.

Anyway, I don't think I'll be doing it anymore anyway. The angels told us they wanted us to stop. So I probably should.

Willy
07-01-2009, 04:44 PM
Well, I think you know what I mean when I say "I've been a Christian my whole life". Simply as early as I could comprehend it. I also just want some answers. And I do believe I could tell when they were lying.

Anyway, I don't think I'll be doing it anymore anyway. The angels told us they wanted us to stop. So I probably should.

... got no idea what you mean ... that's why I asked.

... comprehend what?

Willy:tiphat:

CoreIssue
07-01-2009, 05:09 PM
Stop talking to those 'angels.' They are demons also. You have a con within a con going on. Falls into the New Age realm of angel beliefs.

There are no rules for humans interacting with demons. The Bible forbids it. Angels do not do what you are saying these did.

Yea, I am very familiar and have experience with stuff like this including generational demons. It is deadly.

Anyone with the gift of discerning of spirits can see the difference between an angel and an demon. It is very obvious that is not a gift you possess.

The only thing you should ever say to a demon is to leave in the name of Christ.

MrFish
07-01-2009, 06:45 PM
CoreIssue,

I disagree completely. I'm not claiming to have gifts, and you don't need gifts to do this. It's very easy, you just need to send the invitation. Demons can't do whatever they wont, you are ignorant to say this. There is a reason why the demon didn't beat me to a pulp when I talked to them, they aren't allowed. There is no doubt in my mind that the angels were their for our protection. And the demon occasionally said it was not allowed to answer some questions because an angel told him he couldn't. If you would read what the demons said about the angels, it's clear they weren't lying.

First, they said that the Ouija board was a sin when I asked them. I didn't know if it was and they knew that because I was talking about it. But they didn't lie about it even when I was ignorant of it.

Second, we asked if the angels wanted us to stop, they said yes. Then, we asked them if they (the demons) wanted to stop, they said no. Finally we asked if we should stop, they said no. But we stopped. Do you think they would have told us that the angels were telling us to stop even if they weren't really angels.

There were others things the demons could not do that they can do when other people talk to them. They weren't allowed to move things except for the cursor, but only if our fingers were touching it. They could make a light flicker (very weakly) but they couldn't move the piece of paper, and they couldn't turn off the light. I asked why, the angels told them they couldn't.

These things don't show that they were lying about the angels. The responses would have been completely different. Also if you say they were just being tricky, were you there? Are you trying to tell me that it's impossible to have guardian angels? Or are you telling me I'm not a Christian, so I don't have guardian angels?

Edit: also, after reading your post once more (I've read through it a couple times already). There is a misunderstanding about the Angels. They never moved the cursor or talked to me directly. I just heard what the demons were telling me about them.

Jessie
07-02-2009, 04:35 PM
CoreIssue,

I disagree completely. I'm not claiming to have gifts, and you don't need gifts to do this. It's very easy, you just need to send the invitation. Demons can't do whatever they wont, you are ignorant to say this. There is a reason why the demon didn't beat me to a pulp when I talked to them, they aren't allowed. There is no doubt in my mind that the angels were their for our protection. And the demon occasionally said it was not allowed to answer some questions because an angel told him he couldn't. If you would read what the demons said about the angels, it's clear they weren't lying.

First, they said that the Ouija board was a sin when I asked them. I didn't know if it was and they knew that because I was talking about it. But they didn't lie about it even when I was ignorant of it.

Second, we asked if the angels wanted us to stop, they said yes. Then, we asked them if they (the demons) wanted to stop, they said no. Finally we asked if we should stop, they said no. But we stopped. Do you think they would have told us that the angels were telling us to stop even if they weren't really angels.

There were others things the demons could not do that they can do when other people talk to them. They weren't allowed to move things except for the cursor, but only if our fingers were touching it. They could make a light flicker (very weakly) but they couldn't move the piece of paper, and they couldn't turn off the light. I asked why, the angels told them they couldn't.

These things don't show that they were lying about the angels. The responses would have been completely different. Also if you say they were just being tricky, were you there? Are you trying to tell me that it's impossible to have guardian angels? Or are you telling me I'm not a Christian, so I don't have guardian angels?

Edit: also, after reading your post once more (I've read through it a couple times already). There is a misunderstanding about the Angels. They never moved the cursor or talked to me directly. I just heard what the demons were telling me about them.


one cant play in both worlds....

nor can one play with snakes and not get bit

CoreIssue
07-02-2009, 09:47 PM
CoreIssue,

I disagree completely. I'm not claiming to have gifts, and you don't need gifts to do this.
I think you misunderstood. Those with the gift can see through the disquises of demons and see them as demons even if they are apprearing to others as angels.

You obivously do not have that gift.
It's very easy, you just need to send the invitation.
And you are a fool to do so. The intelligence of demons runs rings around you. The Bible commands you to NOT talk to them. So tell God he is wrong and it is okay for you to do so.
Demons can't do whatever they wont, you are ignorant to say this.
You never heard me say that. I said angels don't talk to you about demons nor do they stop you from doing very foolish things.

Yes, demons have limits. No, it is not done in the manner you described.
There is a reason why the demon didn't beat me to a pulp when I talked to them, they aren't allowed.
YOU do not know what you are talking about. I HAVE been attacked and physically hurt by a demon. They HAVE killed people and injured them.
There is no doubt in my mind that the angels were their for our protection.
Yes, there are guardian angels. No, what you described is NOT how they operate. No, they will not stop you from being foolish.
And the demon occasionally said it was not allowed to answer some questions because an angel told him he couldn't.
The demon didn't NEED an angel to say anything. It already knew its allowed limits. They were both demons and you are to con victim.
If you would read what the demons said about the angels, it's clear they weren't lying.
Con game. You have been conned. The biggest lies begin with a grain of truth. Every hear that old adage? It is true.
First, they said that the Ouija board was a sin when I asked them. I didn't know if it was and they knew that because I was talking about it. But they didn't lie about it even when I was ignorant of it.
Yes it is a sin. But they used it to suck you into greater sin and error.
Second, we asked if the angels wanted us to stop, they said yes. Then, we asked them if they (the demons) wanted to stop, they said no. Finally we asked if we should stop, they said no. But we stopped. Do you think they would have told us that the angels were telling us to stop even if they weren't really angels.

Absolutely. To con you deeper and beyond the depths you were at with the board.
There were others things the demons could not do that they can do when other people talk to them. They weren't allowed to move things except for the cursor, but only if our fingers were touching it.
Which is a lie. Demons move things all the time. Personal experience. Try studying what demons have done in the Bible, OT and NT.
They could make a light flicker (very weakly) but they couldn't move the piece of paper, and they couldn't turn off the light. I asked why, the angels told them they couldn't.
Which is a lie.
These things don't show that they were lying about the angels.It does when they were lies.
The responses would have been completely different.
Demons lie. False angels are lies in and of themselves. Bible says they can appear as angels of lights, or have you not read that in the Bible?
Also if you say they were just being tricky, were you there?
No need. I have had my own experiences that put show what you said a demon can not do they can do. I have studied the Bible on the subject. I have the gift of discernment.
Are you trying to tell me that it's impossible to have guardian angels?
Nope. I have several.
Or are you telling me I'm not a Christian, so I don't have guardian angels?
I am telling you that a Christian who falls willingly into these things will not be guarded. YOU are responsible for studying the Bible and listening. You are choosing to ignore warnings. You are doing these things because you want to. You will not be protected from you.
Edit: also, after reading your post once more (I've read through it a couple times already). There is a misunderstanding about the Angels. They never moved the cursor or talked to me directly. I just heard what the demons were telling me about them.
Demons moved the cursor.

Does not matter if they spoke to you directly or to the demons. They were demons because what you said is not true about angels and demons. You were conned.