Third Party

[CoreIssue]

More convinced than ever it is time for a 3rd Party.

The Republican Party isn't conservative any longer. At least not in how I define conservative.

Democrats? Pelosi, Reid, Obama, Rangle, Dodd, Frank... need I say more?

60% plus of the country are Independents. Time for them have a voice not dictated by the two failed main parties.

[InTheWind]

Mid term elections are a hope to stop some of this nonsense, here`s something else going on.


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[CoreIssue]

We have a Tea Party at City Hall on the 15th here.

Really, unless only the few conservative Republican incumbents and a lot of new ones win then it is pretty meaningless who wins.

The Republicans in control under Bush were no better than the Democrats. They just stunk in a different way.

Both parties support free trade, meaning not fair trade, open borders with Mexico, illegals, internationalism and don't give a squat about the common folk or morality.

Fed up with both of them.

No, I am not talking isolationism. But good grief! We have labor, environmental and other laws others should have but don't. We have minimum wage laws, highest corporate tax rate in the world, do not subsidize like other countries and so forth, then are suppose to compete?!

[Willy]

We have a Tea Party at City Hall on the 15th here.

Really, unless only the few conservative Republican incumbents and a lot of new ones win then it is pretty meaningless who wins.

The Republicans in control under Bush were no better than the Democrats. They just stunk in a different way.

Both parties support free trade, meaning not fair trade, open borders with Mexico, illegals, internationalism and don't give a squat about the common folk or morality.

Fed up with both of them.

No, I am not talking isolationism. But good grief! We have labor, environmental and other laws others should have but don't. We have minimum wage laws, highest corporate tax rate in the world, do not subsidize like other countries and so forth, then are suppose to compete?!

... so, can government say to business, "Certainly you can take your business to other countries, but not at the expense of what you have set up in this country ... U.S.A.

... or, "If you set up business in another country, you must sell your product in that country.

... otherwise, the whole thing collapses ... the "Nike" model defines the "whole" ... lay off U.S. workers and move off shore ... pay 25 cent an hour but still sell shoes for $200.00 ... the guy making 25 cents an hour can't afford to buy them and the people that were laid off in the U.S. can't afford to buy them ... simplistic but that is the model. (broken)

Willy:tiphat:

[CoreIssue]

The Feds give tax subsidies to American companies that go overseas and foreign companies that locate here. American companies get nothing for being here except a tax rate that is over double what most the world charges.

Other counties subsidies their industries on top of that. In example, Canadian raised panel solid wood doors cost less to buy, here, than what a manufacturer here has to pay for the rough lumber alone.

They can put tariffs on our products if they view it as unwanted competition in their countries but we can do nothing to their products in return.

How can we compete?

Another example is the Kia plant being built in Georgia. 95% of the construction companies are from Korea. They brought their employees with them. That means the corporate and worker profits go back to Korea, except for housing rentals and shopping while they are here.

Once completed and running, the corporate profit goes back to Korea.

My point? Overall industrial profit goes overseas, slowly bleeding our economy to death. Our standard of living keeps getting pulled down and theirs increases.

Both main parties support this way of doing business. Between the Republican Big Business mentality over the blue collar guy and the Democratic One World Vision, we loose.

Washington keeps stripping power and mony from the States. States keep stripping power and money from the municipalities, where we live.

About 60% of Americans are Independents. Of the remaining slight more are Democrats than Republicans. But the 60% have no voice.

Then of all of them, only a minority actually vote.

Either that changes or what we were as a nations ends.

I have been up front and personal in this things. Owned a business for 20 years that got killed by foreign companies. Have been involved in government in various ways for a long time, as an Independent, so familiar with what is going on there.

It is escalating rapidly.

[kay-gee]

But Core you are not taking into account currency exchange. In example The Canadian dollar has fallen drastically again against the US. Of course the wooden doors are cheaper. It has less to do with subsidies than currency value. You want to talk about labour and enviromental regulations. Wow! try Canada on for size. China and Pacific area...whole other matter. They just produce en masse with little regard for living standards or ecology etc...

all the best...

[CoreIssue]

But Core you are not taking into account currency exchange. In example The Canadian dollar has fallen drastically again against the US. Of course the wooden doors are cheaper. It has less to do with subsidies than currency value. You want to talk about labour and enviromental regulations. Wow! try Canada on for size. China and Pacific area...whole other matter. They just produce en masse with little regard for living standards or ecology etc...

all the best...
KG, I am talking about before the Canadian currency fell in relationship to dollar. A reality that has been in place for more than a decade. Please, don't talk about what you have had no experience with and do not understand.

Most assuredly Canada has subsidized its exports for a very long time, and it does create unfair trade.

Understood on regs for Canada.

But got news for you. The pounding Canada nailed us with is now being experiences by Canada from China and Africa, in example.

But it is more than Canada. EU countries also subsidized and put American industry out of business as well.

Now, they are to a point they are trying to escape their Welfare agendas since it is killing them.

Yet more reasons why we need to end it before it goes any further and we end up like Europe.