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2 Thessalonians 2 (New American Standard Bible) (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Th%202;&version=49;)
1Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, 2that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come.
3Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,
The Thessalonians were concerned that they missed the Rapture and were smack, dab in the middle of the Tribulation.
8Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming;
9that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders,
10and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved.
11For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false,
Amillennialism is a portal to mass quantities of BAD THEOLOGY.
17comfort and strengthen your hearts in every good work and word.
The pre-trib Rapture would be something to find comfort in, going through the Great Tribulation certainly isn't.
Ltanner09
02-16-2009, 03:35 PM
So, Sid, where do you place the pre mill who are post trib?
Are they also a "deluding influence"?
Once again you've displayed your ignorance on end time beliefs as, according to your own words, it's one's rapture views you mean to label a "deluding influence" and you include pre mill in the group that is part of it.
Must be something very tasty on your foot as you keep inserting it into your mouth.
The pre-trib Rapture would be something to find comfort in, going through the Great Tribulation certainly isn't.
During the Great Tribulation there will be no place to run to, no place to hide. Those who come to be saved during the Trib will be outcasts, unable to buy or sell....those who are captured will be martyred.
So....you wanna stay behind for all that?
Ltanner09
02-18-2009, 11:43 AM
During the Great Tribulation there will be no place to run to, no place to hide. Those who come to be saved during the Trib will be outcasts, unable to buy or sell....those who are captured will be martyred.
So....you wanna stay behind for all that?
Jesus states we will have tribulation:
Mt 13:20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;
21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.
Joh 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
Ro 12:12 Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;
During the Great Tribulation there will be no place to run to, no place to hide. Those who come to be saved during the Trib will be outcasts, unable to buy or sell....those who are captured will be martyred.
So....you wanna stay behind for all that?Jesus states we will have tribulation:
1"For then there will be a ***great tribulation***, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will.
Matthew 24:21 (New American Standard Bible) (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=47&chapter=24&verse=21&version=49&context=verse)
You ready for 3 1/2 years of war, famine, pestilence, Holocaust, New Orleans after Katrina, French Revolution, Spanish Inquisition and 9/11 style stupidity?
. . . you ready to not be able to buy or sell without taking the MOTB [one way ticket to Hell for eternity]?
What could be good news about that?
Ltanner09
02-18-2009, 01:52 PM
You ready for 3 1/2 years of war, famine, pestilence, Holocaust, New Orleans after Katrina, French Revolution, Spanish Inquisition and 9/11 style stupidity?
What could be good news about that?
You just described every day life for Christians overseas. I'll bet they have a few choice comments about a pre trib rapture.
Christians overseas have lost their houses, families, loved ones and have been tortured, maimed and murdered.
The good news isn't an escape from tribulation, the good news is eternity in Christ.
The good news isn't an escape from tribulation, the good news is eternity in Christ.
Your failure to grasp the difference between tribulation and the ***Great Tribulation*** testify to the morass of confused theology you marinate in.
kay-gee
02-18-2009, 07:37 PM
Your failure Sid, to bring forward Bible verses to support your fantastical doctrine testify to the confusion of pre-mill!
How about stopping the rhetoric and starting a real Bible study on the issue!
all the best...
Your failure Sid, to bring forward Bible verses to support your fantastical doctrine testify to the confusion of pre-mill!
How about stopping the rhetoric and starting a real Bible study on the issue!
Amillennialism's inability to deal with a literal interpretation of Bible prophesy has led to spiritualized interpretations that make the Bible meaningless.
Probably one of the biggests problems with amill is it's innocence of understanding the continuing significance of the nation of Israel. . .
. . . or why current events revolve around Jerusalem.
. . . or the signs presented by the European Union, the UN, the World Banking system, RFID, gathering global financial crisis, yadda, yadda.
Once you start approaching the Bible only to confirm your agenda, the confusion you embrace is totally self-inflicted.
kay-gee
02-19-2009, 08:23 AM
Hey Sid my friend, I would love to be a pre-millenialist. I mean that sincerely. It teaches some cool stuff. Trouble is I don't see the Bible support for it so I have to reject it. Bible verses trump human opinion everythime...Sorry! You should take the time to read the big debates between Core Issue and Ltanner. The proof for the amill position (scripturally) is over-whelming. Before the debate, I was a fence-sitter myself!
all the best...
CoreIssue
02-19-2009, 12:59 PM
Hey Sid my friend, I would love to be a pre-millenialist. I mean that sincerely. It teaches some cool stuff. Trouble is I don't see the Bible support for it so I have to reject it. Bible verses trump human opinion everythime...Sorry! You should take the time to read the big debates between Core Issue and Ltanner. The proof for the amill position (scripturally) is over-whelming. Before the debate, I was a fence-sitter myself!
all the best...
Lynn lost that debate.
Now, start posting your own proofs and do serious debating or just stop talking.
As I said on the other thread knock of the cliches and personal opinion posting. Post some proofs.
Neither you or Lynn address a specific question. Always jump away to some commentary on something never dealing with the question.
In example, I posted an actual word definition of a Greek word and you two actually tried to claim it didn't mean it because it disagreed with your doctrine!!
Proof. Post proofs. Real proofs and answer questions for the first time since you have been here.
Can you rightly divide the Scriptures and embrace amillennialism?
. . . I doubt it.
My friends, there is more proof that the Church will be translated before the tribulation begins than there is that you are sitting there reading these words. We do not question the motives of the men who teach otherwise, for many are very devout, and present their arguments in terms that prove a scholarly approach to the problem.
Nevertheless, it would be irresponsible to suggest that they are not misguided. It has ever been the devil's purpose to disguise the truth, and to hide it from view with seductive reasonings. He uses every means at his disposal to turn our hearts and minds away from this wonderful doctrine of the Scriptures. For in so doing, he also turns our hearts from the only hope that we have.
In the early decades of the Church, there was an imminent hope, and there was no debate as to whether or not the Church would endure the rigors of the judgments of God during this period. The epistles uniformly warn us to be watchful, and to look eagerly forward to that blessed hope.
That the early church fathers spoke little of the modern debate does not indicate that they did not believe in the imminence of the rapture. Rather, it indicates that there was little disagreement on the issue, and that it needed no long and divisive debate such as it is being subjected to today.
Several of the writers of the epistles warned of the great apostasy that would characterize the professing church in the latter days. This denial of our hope is but one of many departures from the faith of the Bible. Every departure leads to diminished hope and an increasing separation from God through fear. For those of us who believe in the imminence of the rapture, this apostasy is just another sign of the times. We believe that it is a clear indication that the time is drawing nearer by the day.
While we regret that so many churches that call themselves Christian are denying the great truths of Christianity -- indeed, even denying the Lord who bought them -- our hearts are made more hopeful by this fulfillment of prophecy, for the more we see the world stage shaping up for the events which follow the rapture, the closer we believe the rapture itself must be.
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