All a Christian needs to know about Creation

[Sacre]

All a Christian needs to know about Creation
by Sacre

I've intended this article for people who are, or consider themselves, Christians. The goal is as the title says to simplify the "Creation vs Evolution" war, on a reasonable christian basis. I will avoid bias and scientific detail. I'm more then aware 90% of the christians are horrible examples.

I'd like to make sure none of us are being bias. Here's a thought I have to help: A scientist once told me: "Just because your finger print is on a gun, does not mean you shot it." Does this not mean there IS hope of Creationism?

Natural Selection: I want to give one example of how people blow science out of the water. You know Natural Selection is biblical? The fact that all races are one race but have slight modifactions by their environment such as black skin on an african american, is proof of natural selection AND God said it's true. People using this to 'disprove God,' aren't
they just being bias on their own side?

Now, an infamous example: "ADAM AND EVE." God told Adam and Eve not to eat from the tree or they'd die. But why? Was the tree poisionous? No. Wouldn't sceince say God is wrong? Yes. But was God wrong? NO. They were introduced to death by his Word. Think about that. Adam and Eve has many meanings. I think this is one i've been the first to fortunately notice.

You should be ashamed of yourself for losing hope! Is science fun? Yes. Is it good? Yes. Is it the one and only way into the kingdom of Heaven? No. God bless~

[CTZonEdit]

Do more research about creation here:

http://www.christiantalkzone.net/index.php?pid=2

http://www.christiantalkzone.net/index.php?pid=3

What you have stated as beliefs remove the literal existance of Adam and Eve and turn them into some symbolic representation of somthing that could mean anything really.

God created non human creatures to adapt. He created them after their own kind. Each kind is specific and can adapt within its own kind. What it cannot do is turn into another kind.

Bugs are bugs. Dogs are dogs. Each a specific kind. Bugs did not evolve into dogs.

[Sacre]

Adam and Eve was literal and they did exist. I know.

But i'm not wrong to see many good interpretations behind it, besides just one. I don't have to just assume the conformed interpretation is correct when I see another good point that has great rellevance to us Christian's winning the war. Isn't that a good thing?

And I know bugs didn't evolve into dogs, actually 2 of any dog could over time re-populate every kindof dog. Which proves Noah's Arc.

Are you just stereotyping everyone who uses the word 'evolution' to having beliefs I don't even have? =p Christians really fear artistic people I think.

I was hoping for more intelligent discussion and actual thoughts on these writings really. God doesn't mind us to be education after all. I'm on your side anyway. It's when people just quote a verse and move on that they lose a battle. You have to be able to engage all kinds of people to truly make a difference. Jesus loved everyone, and sit with anyone. I also didn't have any questions but I do agree with your side points.

[Willy]

The Lord Jesus is the second Adam ... who is the second Eve?

Think of all the scripture that now makes sense.:tiphat:

[Sacre]

I would love to understand what you just said, haha. I missed the point, sorry. What's up?

[CoreIssue]

Sacre, apparently you didn't read the links CTZonEdit gave you if you say no intelligent discussion has been offered. :eek:

And fear artistic people? I do wood carving, paintings, creative writing and design. ITW is a paster with tools creating art in metal, furniture, guns and other items. CTZonEedit is highly skilled in IT work, as evidenced by our logo and the End Time Charts and the posting in the creative forums.

Me thinks you have not looked aroudn very much before saying that. :swoon:

[Sacre]

There's a misunderstanding, I meant 'thinking for yourself' and 'being artistic' as in 'discussing my view of Adam and Eve' as 'artistic, and intelligent.' I also am on your two's side and already know much of what those two links read but simply wanted to write a simple text for people who don't like detail.

What is this 'End Times' Chart exactly? I'm quite the programmer myself, so I'm curious.

[CoreIssue]

Or that's just what not what I meant by artistic, but rather thinking for yourself; and, by intelligent i mean his own thoughts. Not others.
So, you don't study the thoughts of others to aid in developing your own thoughts?

Building a box for yourself here.

Sure, there are those who just embrace someone else's teachings without thinking it through.

But sure isn't limited to Christians. I have debated a lot of people in different belief systems, including atheists who could only speak by posting the words of others.

Your statements are too broad and inclusive is the problem.
Those two links are about side points and not what I posted, also. In case he did write those, it still wouldn't be my point.
Not understanding your point then. What is it?
Heh. What's this 'End Times Chart?'
Link at the top of the page.
I'm quite the programmer myself and would be interested. I've yet to even open my textbook in school rather then go off what I already know =p Professor doesn't like a 19 year old offering more efficient solutions though xD[/quote]
OK. But really not seeing a theme here. Kinda disjointed, no disrespect intended.

[Sacre]

So, you don't study the thoughts of others to aid in developing your own thoughts?The whole point of i debate or talk to anyone is to learn from them, no matter who they are, so that's a totally unfair conclusion to draw. My best friend is Agnostic, too. He's done more for people then any christian i know, sadly. Wish he'd just accept christ already =p

I guess my point was i felt 'denied' a 'in-place, more on topic of my thoughts' discussion was my goal. I wanted some more direct feedback. I'm fine now, though.

I removed that '19 year old' quote before reading your reply but after you read it, you can edit that out. I realized the irrelevance. But maybe was implying 'Id love to help contribute to the site in methods of programming as well if you guys are into that kindof thing and i can take any request'

[CoreIssue]

So, you don't study the thoughts of others to aid in developing your own thoughts?The whole point of i debate or talk to anyone is to learn from them, no matter who they are, so that's a totally unfair conclusion to draw. My best friend is Agnostic, too. He's done more for people then any christian i know, sadly. Wish he'd just accept christ already =p
You have gotten an extensive response.

As for your friend, has he done anything to get people saved? Worldly help is good, but it won't keep anyone out of Hell.
I guess my point was i felt 'denied' a 'in-place, more on topic of my thoughts' discussion was my goal. I wanted some more direct feedback. I'm fine now, though.
If you have questions, want discussion or such on any portion then do it. But reposting all that material in an ongoing discussion form is totally unfair to us.

Read, think and then discuss.
I removed that '19 year old' quote before reading your reply but after you read it, you can edit that out. I realized the irrelevance. But maybe was implying 'Id love to help contribute to the site in methods of programming as well if you guys are into that kindof thing and i can take any request'
The base program is vBulletin. I got tired of writing code.

As for the rest, just PM CTZ and talk to him about it. He does the graphics, etc.

[Sacre]

Alright, but I didn't see anywhere else where that interpretation of adam and eve was...

... Nor was i trying to re-debate those other writings. I just made this article for people to read. I had no questions or any doubts or lack of knowledge already. You guys all jumped on me like i had questions or something, i didn't. I simply made a post to also support our common beliefs. didnt want it to goto waste...

heck, the last few times i agreed with you on this site are the only times in a year or more now i felt i learned anything from any kind of religious setting that i didn't already know. thanks.

[CoreIssue]

Okay, please back it all up to the beginning.

Your opening statement has obviously left us with a misconception of what you were trying to say.

Please rephrase so we can reply to your actual point.

[Sacre]

I think it's important to use direct examples like how the adam and eve story can represent the fact God is above science. And I was also saying how christian's who doubt creation should be ashamed, as there is much support for it. I then used the 'finger print' quote to explain how science exists to support theories, it does not exist to make assumptions.

Are these not true points and is it not new to discuss how and why I interpreted the Adam and Eve story the way I did? You can never say enough good things to help people follow Christ, so if i do so; it shouldn't be mistaken as me trying to start a debate =P

[CoreIssue]

That comes across completely different than what you said before.

This statement I agree with.

[Sacre]

I guess I could improve my explanations =p

[CoreIssue]

I guess I could improve my explanations =p
Words are tools. The better craftsman one becomes the better the product. ;)