Saul Alinsky: Key to Understanding the Mess we are in . . .

[Sid]

Events of late on the political and economic fronts have been dizzying. Few follow politics and current events closely, even fewer examine deeper for the background and whys.

I believe that an little understanding of Saul Alinsky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saul_Alinsky) and his aggressive, Marxist, confrontational style of politics of crisis goes a long way in making sense of Obama [and much of Democratic party politics].

I watched Alinsky-inspired tactics locally in the mid '70s with a political pressure group that called itself Communities Organized for Public Service (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communities_Organized_for_Public_Service). This outfit would disrupt city council meetings, picket, harass and extort to further their goals. . . the ends justified the means.

Using that for a framework, I studied a little background on Alinsky, his Chicago Democratic Party, blue collar Catholic worker operation: Industrial Areas Foundation. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Areas_Foundation)

From there, it's a short step to the Cloward-Piven strategy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward-Piven_Strategy), ACORN (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACORN), welfare fraud, voter fraud, the subprime mortgage mess, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subprime_mortgage) Fannie, Freddie and the Obama presidency. . . BUT it all started with the community organizing strategies of Saul Alinsky.

[CoreIssue]

That group and ones like it have been fixtures of the Chicago area for a very long time.

I don't know what it is about Chicago, but it is a very different animal.

[Sid]

That group and ones like it have been fixtures of the Chicago area for a very long time.

I don't know what it is about Chicago, but it is a very different animal.


Core:


Started searching for Alinsky, Chicago and community organizing and I came up with this pearl:



In his native Chicago, Alinsky courted power wherever he found it. His alliance with prominent Catholic clerics, such as Bishop Bernard Sheil, gave him respectability. His friendship with crime bosses such as Frank Nitti -- Al Capone's second-in-command -- gave Alinsky clout on the street.

Agnes Meyer personally wrote a six-part series in 1945, praising Alinsky's work in Chicago slums. Her series, called "The Orderly Revolution", made Alinsky famous. President Truman ordered 100 reprints of it.
During the Sixties, Alinsky wielded tremendous power behind the scenes.

When President Johnson launched his War on Poverty in 1964, Alinsky allies infiltrated the program, steering federal money into Alinsky projects.

In 1966, Senator Robert Kennedy allied himself with union leader Cesar Chavez, an Alinsky disciple. Chavez had worked ten years for Alinsky, beginning in 1952. Kennedy soon drifted into Alinsky's circle.

Trained by Alinsky's Industrial Areas Foundation, Obama spent years teaching workshops on the Alinsky method. In 1985 he began a four-year stint as a community organizer in Chicago, working for an Alinskyite group called the Developing Communities Project. Later, he worked with ACORN and its offshoot Project Vote, both creations of the Alinsky network. (http://www.catholiccitizens.org/platform/platformview.asp?c=45262)

Camouflage is key to Alinsky-style organizing. While trying to build coalitions of black churches in Chicago, Obama caught flak for not attending church himself. He became an instant churchgoer.

That Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama share an Alinskyite background tells us two things. First, they are leftists, dedicated to overthrowing our Constitutional system. Second, they will go to any length to conceal their radicalism from the public.

That is the Alinsky method. And that is today's Democratic Party.


More. . . (http://www.catholiccitizens.org/platform/platformview.asp?c=45262)
Saul Alinsky is just one of the radical mentors that have formed the contemporary Democratic Party. . . .

[kay-gee]

OK. Now to be fair and balanced, who are some of the radical mentors that have formed the contemporary Republican party? Granted insurance CEO's and oil barons dont typically start riots or disrupt meetings. They mostly stand back and fill their pockets off the public, while maintaining a facade of Godly values etc...

all the best...

[Sid]

OK. Now to be fair and balanced, who are some of the radical mentors that have formed the contemporary Republican party? Granted insurance CEO's and oil barons dont typically start riots or disrupt meetings. They mostly stand back and fill their pockets off the public, while maintaining a facade of Godly values etc...

all the best...



You don't hear much about radical conservatives. . . whereas liberals believe that government is the answer, conservatives believe that government is the problem.

. . . so instead of going to law school and doing politics, the mass media or Hollywood, they go out and get real jobs:

Lots of conservatives are found among farmers, ranchers, military, law enforcement, firemen, truck drivers, NASCAR fans and cowboy rednecks.

We only have to look at California to find liberalism in action: it has transformed this once great state into the petri dish to try out every leftist wacko theory that comes around.

Remember all those Hippies who were demonstrating and rioting on college campuses? . . . they have cut their hair, taken a bath and now run the People's Republic of California.

If Obama has his way, our country will be just like California. . . .

[kay-gee]

My point exactly. There are no radical conservatives. They feel government is the problem because government stands in the way of them making even more profit. The old boys club style conservativism is and will always be about $$$$$$$$$$$$. Just as evil but a different mask.

all the best...

[Sid]

My point exactly. There are no radical conservatives. They feel government is the problem because government stands in the way of them making even more profit. The old boys club style conservativism is and will always be about $$$$$$$$$$$$. Just as evil but a different mask.

all the best...



Painting the Republicans as the party of the rich bankers and business owners and the Democrats as the party of working class people worked 40 years ago. . .

. . . now the Republicans are the party of people with jobs and the Democrats have become the party of those who believe the government owes them a living.

[CoreIssue]

KG, those Chicago one illustrate the radical elements that say comply, shut up and get taken out.

And no, that is not an extreme statement, but a true one. I lived where we constantly were hearing of the killings by Nation of Islam, Black Panters and such. Also the break away efforts of the Gold Coast movement, to create an independent black nation along Lake Michigan by forcibly taking property from whites.

And then these others with their power programs that were solidly tied to the Chicago Daily Machine.

No, conservatives want freedom with respect for individuals. Liberals want their agenda with them controlling the Nanny State.

Cross the line too much and you do get some extremists, like the Anarchists and Libertarian Movements.

But the liberals are the ones trying to force their beliefs on all. Conservatives try to win people over to their thinking. Big difference.

[Sid]

No, conservatives want freedom with respect for individuals. Liberals want their agenda with them controlling the Nanny State.




Core:

Few understand the confrontational school of crisis politics that is the gospel of Alinskyian community organization.

. . . even few understand that Caesar Chavez, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are following the Alinsky playbook line by line.

The Democrats in Congress are concerned that the bailouts and porkulus plan would most likely result in a lot of unhappy campers in their home districts.

. . . and it is dangerous for a politician's career to have energized, upset constituents.

[CoreIssue]

Agree. I learned fast the Chicago style politics of helping the citizen always had a hand out under the table and was done to keep firm personal control over the city.

[Sid]

I learned fast the Chicago style politics of helping the citizen always had a hand out under the table and was done to keep firm personal control over the city.



Core:


The political tactics developed by the Marxist Alinsky are key to understanding why the Democratic Party has shifted so hard left in the past 40 years or so. . . the Democrats appeal to minorities who feel they are being victimized.

Remember, Alinsky's motto: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it….

[CoreIssue]

Agree. Victim mentality is a prison and door for being conquered.

[Sid]

Agree. Victim mentality is a prison and door for being conquered.


When you add the victim mentality with the entitlement attitude, you get the fixings of the community organized [ACORN] welfare voting block.

. . . and both parties are forced to either appeal to it, or watch inaugurations from the bleachers.

I knew George Bush as governor of Texas. . . if it hadn't been for this sordid political reality, he would have pushed for a real border with Mexico [and probably Canada] after 9/11.

[CoreIssue]

Never have been a Bush fan.

I see no excuse for not defending our border. Becoming the enemy just to be in office is the same as loosing.

[Sid]

Never have been a Bush fan.

I see no excuse for not defending our border. Becoming the enemy just to be in office is the same as loosing.


CI:


He was a better governor of Texas than president.

If he would have pushed hard for the border fence, don't you know that Lulac, LaRaza, no telling how many other Hispanic political groups, liberal Democrats and the Catholic Bishops would have a field day labeling him and the Republicans as rascists, yadda yadda?

. . . the immigration issue is the third rail of American politics.

[CoreIssue]

Never have been a Bush fan.

I see no excuse for not defending our border. Becoming the enemy just to be in office is the same as loosing.


CI:


He was a better governor of Texas than president.

If he would have pushed hard for the border fence, don't you know that Lulac, LaRaza, no telling how many other Hispanic political groups, liberal Democrats and the Catholic Bishops would have a field day labeling him and the Republicans as rascists, yadda yadda?

. . . the immigration issue is the third rail of American politics.
So much for standing on principle.

Majority of US wants the controls. No one ran on opening the borders as a major agenda item. Those that did got penalized.

Sure, it got a lot of hispanic votes. But Whites and especially blacks opposed it.

The election was all about economy and Iraq.

[Sid]

So much for standing on principle.

Majority of US wants the controls. No one ran on opening the borders as a major agenda item. Those that did got penalized.


Would it have been better if Dubya and the rest of the Republicans get in a circular firing squad formation and assure themselves a worse trouncing at the polls than they got?


The election was all about economy and Iraq.The market problems were the October Surprise of '08. . . politics of crisis right out of the Saul Alinsky playbook.

[CoreIssue]

So much for standing on principle.

Majority of US wants the controls. No one ran on opening the borders as a major agenda item. Those that did got penalized.


Would it have been better if Dubya and the rest of the Republicans get in a circular firing squad formation and assure themselves a worse trouncing at the polls than they got?
Actually, it is about time the Republican Party became conservative or just move over to the Democratic Pary.

So, yea, time to take a stand. All we are getting now is choices between which liberal agenda to embrace.

We don't have options at the polls. The voters were justly furious a chance was blown to show what a true conservative fighting agenda could have done.


The election was all about economy and Iraq.The market problems were the October Surprise of '08. . . politics of crisis right out of the Saul Alinsky playbook.[/quote]
Of course.

And how did Bush reply? Bail out, defend illegals and leave good men in prison.

No, if that is what it takes to win then stay home and let someone else try.

Let the libs have it and give the nation a full taste if that is what it takes to wake up this country. Snow in example, is an embarassment. Be better to have no one carrying the party name than someone like her.

[Sid]

Actually, it is about time the Republican Party became conservative or just move over to the Democratic Pary.

The voters were justly furious a chance was blown to show what a true conservative fighting agenda could have done.


Agreed.

I listen to AM talk radio, I believe it was Beck who said that if McCain would have dug in his heels against the pork added to the bank bailout bill #2, he would be president today.

Listening to him lately on CSPAN2, he got the hint.

. . . sad, a little late.

[CoreIssue]

He has a show on FOX as well.

Yes, he would have been against the pork. But still a lot of positions I don't like from him. Very liberal positions.

He would have been he lesser of two evils.