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lighthouse
07-24-2008, 05:39 PM
The World President To-Be
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,567919,00.html
Anyone who saw Barack Obama at Berlin's Siegessäule on Thursday could recognize that this man will become the 44th president of the United States. He is more than ambitious -- he wants to lay claim to become the president of the world.
So what still sticks? That Barack Obama is a passionate politician who is fixated on and takes very seriously his desire for a bit of uptopia and a better world. That he is an impressive speaker who knows how to casually draw his audience into his image of the world -- one who doesn't have any need to resort to the kind of cheap effects that tend to prompt the uproarious applause of an audience. That he is a typical American -- an idealist in the true spirit of the American success story who is now very casually making his claim to become something akin to the president of the world.
lighthouse
07-24-2008, 05:40 PM
He also could have said: We are a world power, the only one that exists on this planet at the moment, and I am going to act as if that were the case. But you're also allowed to participate in the attempt to try to save the world -- at least a bit of it. In that sense I am different from George W. Bush -- very different. Indeed, Barack Obama has his own sound -- it's more utopian, he speaks of the general human desire for better conditions for all of humanity; and he speaks of the longing for strong and dynamic presidents and chancellors who are capable of acting on a global scale. With this drive and this radiance, he managed to drive Hillary Clinton out of the campaign. It is also the way he is going to outpace John McCain on November 4. It is the way he took the hearts of Americans by storm and it is the way he is now taking Europe by storm.
Anyone who saw him make the short way from the Victory Column in Berlin on Thursday to the podium saw a man with the serious gait of a basketball player, a man who seemed young, decisive and focused. For those who witnessed his appearance in Berlin, it is hard to imagine that John McCain still has any chance. McCain is 25 years his senior, a man who because of the torture he endured in Vietnam is in constant pain -- unable to comb his hair or lift his arm in celebration.
Europe is witnessing the 44th president of the United States during this trip. Anyone who listens to him quickly realizes that he is not only ambitious but will also make demands. In the inner circles of Angela Merkel's Chancellery, he is reportedly seen as a pleasant person, one who arouses curiosity.
However, he is also certain to demand the help of the Germans, Brits and French in Afghanistan and Iraq. He's not going to allow NATO to shirk its duty -- and that is where the perils of the engaging "we" and the catchy "Yes, we can" lie. Otherwise all these hard-nosed Europeans will hope and pray that the future President Obama isn’t really all that serious about the saving the world of tomorrow, the polar caps, Darfur and the poppy harvest over in Afghanistan.
lighthouse
07-24-2008, 05:40 PM
George W. Bush is yesterday, the Texas version of the arrogant world power. Obama is all about today: the "everybody really just wants to be brothers and save the world" utopia. As for us, we who sometimes admire and sometimes curse this somewhat anemic, pragmatic democracy, we will have to quickly get used to Barack Obama, the new leader of a lofty democracy that loves those big nice words -- words that warm our hearts and alarm our minds.
Let's allow ourselves to be warmed today, by this man at the Victory Column. Then we'll take a further look.
lighthouse
07-24-2008, 05:42 PM
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash1.htm
People of Berlin -- people of the world -- this is our moment. This is our time.Ê
lighthouse
07-24-2008, 05:42 PM
People of Berlin -- and people of the world -- the scale of our challenge is great. The road ahead will be long. But I come before you to say that we are heirs to a struggle for freedom. We are a people of improbable hope. Let us build on our common history, and seize our common destiny, and once again engage in that noble struggle to bring justice and peace to our world.
lighthouse
07-24-2008, 05:46 PM
reminds me of hitler
hitler controller the media
i read some where that the person who controls the media can control the world
The economy, the media, and all cultural activities were brought under Nazi authority
Soon the spare time of the young was absorbed by the Nazi Party as well—boys were drawn into the Hitler Youth, and girls became members of the Nazi-led League of German Girls. The goal was to indoctrinate people into the party starting at a young age. By the summer of 1933, the Nazi Party was in complete control of the country.
On January 30, 1933, Hitler was sworn in as chancellor of Germany
[[Took him ONLY 6 months!!!!!!!!!!]]
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761556540_3/hitler.html
lighthouse
07-24-2008, 05:47 PM
Propaganda is the art of persuasion - persuading others that your 'side of the story' is correct. Propaganda might take the form of persuading others that your military might is too great to be challenged; that your political might within a nation is too great or popular to challenge etc. In Nazi Germany, Dr Joseph Goebbels was in charge of propaganda. Goebbels official title was Minister of Propaganda and National Enlightenment.
As Minister of Enlightenment, Goebbels had two main tasks:
to ensure nobody in Germany could read or see anything that was hostile or damaging to the Nazi Party.
to ensure that the views of the Nazis were put across in the most persuasive manner possible.
You could only read, see and hear what the Nazis wanted you to read, see and hear.
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/propaganda_in_nazi_germany.htm
lighthouse
07-24-2008, 05:48 PM
Is Barack Obama the Messiah?
"... a light will shine through that window, a beam of light will come down upon you, you will experience an epiphany ... and you will suddenly realize that you must go to the polls and vote for Obama" - Barack Obama Lebanon, New Hampshire.
January 7, 2008.
http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/
lighthouse
07-24-2008, 05:55 PM
ps
he will be americas 44
then the world?....
lighthouse
07-24-2008, 05:55 PM
so sad so very sad
red sky in the morning
sailors warning!!
CoreIssue
07-24-2008, 08:00 PM
Hitler with Stalin, Lenin and Mussolini added for seasoning.
lighthouse
07-24-2008, 09:15 PM
Quote from speech: And this is the moment when we must give hope to those left behind in a globalized world.
I thought this quote from him was very interesting as well. "Those left behind, globalized world".
lighthouse
07-24-2008, 09:16 PM
People of Berlin, people of the world, this is our moment. This is our time.
lighthouse
07-24-2008, 09:19 PM
That is why the greatest danger of all is to allow new walls to divide us from one another. The walls between old allies on either side of the Atlantic cannot stand. The walls between the countries with the most and those with the least cannot stand. The walls between races and tribes; natives and immigrants; Christian and Muslim and Jew cannot stand. These now are the walls we must tear down."
It is time to secure all loose nuclear materials; to stop the spread of nuclear weapons; and to reduce the arsenals from another era. This is the moment to begin the work of seeking the peace of a world without nuclear weapons."
lighthouse
07-24-2008, 09:22 PM
ABC news interviewed the Berlin people.. here's a quote from an audience member:
Quote:
"He was incredible.. my new messiah."
CoreIssue
07-24-2008, 09:54 PM
Quote from speech: And this is the moment when we must give hope to those left behind in a globalized world.
I thought this quote from him was very interesting as well. "Those left behind, globalized world".
People of Berlin, people of the world, this is our moment. This is our time.
Amazing. History repeating itself and looking to future history.
kay-gee
07-25-2008, 09:19 AM
another history making statistic. It will be the first time since 1962 the US has a sitting Liberal president while Canada a Conservative PM. Interesting how that will play out. No golfing buddies there!
all the best...
CoreIssue
07-25-2008, 01:26 PM
another history making statistic. It will be the first time since 1962 the US has a sitting Liberal president while Canada a Conservative PM. Interesting how that will play out. No golfing buddies there!
all the best...
If it happens it will be weird.
I don't think Obama will win, though.
But McCain is no door prize either.
lighthouse
07-25-2008, 04:35 PM
obama will win
lighthouse
07-25-2008, 04:42 PM
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?print=yes&id=27667
The Obama Hypnosis
by Monica Crowley (more by this author)
Posted 07/24/2008 ET
Every day, there seems to be a new example of Barack Obama's Peoples’ Temple-like grip on otherwise (semi) rational people. What began as a political phenomenon borne of a particularly charismatic figure has turned into a creepy and possibly malignant force. It is the Obama Hypnosis.
Obama is a man of undeniable intelligence and skill, but his hyper-ascent has never been truly explained. If you got past the "satirical" cover, last week's New Yorker story posed an interesting question about Obama: "Who Sent You?" Nobody rises that far that fast through the ranks of Chicago Democratic machine politics without some powerful patrons. In Obama's case, they remain in the shadows. Who supported him? Who financed him? Who promoted him? Who covered for him? Who answered for him? Who sent him?
No one really knows.
Now that he's on the cusp of the Democratic nomination for president, there are other, even darker questions. Sure, he's got youth and dynamism. But can those things alone explain the incredibly hypnotic effect he's having here at home and abroad? The Obama frenzy has been compared to the wild, hair-pulling hysteria the Beatles inspired, but while Obamamania has elements of Beatlemania -- a new sound, a new way of hearing and seeing and being entertained, a liberation of sorts -- Obamamania is more profound and its implications more grave.
Although it did have political overtones, Beatlemania was essentially about culture. This time around, the masses seized by Obamamania (again, otherwise rational people) are willing to turn over not just their ears but their incomes and their family's and nation's security to someone unproved, untested, and unfamiliar. Someone whose connection to the rest of us is shaky at best.
The hypnotic swooning began during the primaries, when people started fainting at his rallies and women began raising their babies to him, hoping for his papal-like touch. People gazed wide-eyed as he spoke, then reached for him as he passed, arms outstretched, as if wading toward Jesus in the Sea of Galilee.
lighthouse
07-25-2008, 04:43 PM
The "professional" journalists took note, and then they succumbed to the swoon. MSNBC’s Chris Matthews proclaimed that a tingle made its way up his leg upon listening to Obama speak, and other journalists gushed that "it was hard to be objective" about Obama because he was so "infectious." Last week's Newsweek cover story about Obama's faith was such a puffball piece of whitewashed propaganda that it looks like the piece's authors are under the spell too.
Certainly most conservatives are immune to his potent charms. But it seems the only Democrats to also be immune are the Clintons. This is one seduction routine Bill didn't choreograph, and he's still not falling for it. Neither is Hillary, although she's game-faced.
The Obama Hypnosis was interesting and relatively harmless for a while, but now it's starting to slide into Creepsville: The adoring throngs prepared to show up in western Europe to greet him this week. His selection of Berlin's Victory Column at which to give a major speech -- nothing says “change” like a symbol of Prussian and Nazi militarism! His choice to give a stadium acceptance speech during the Democratic convention. The "Dear Leader" overtones are hard to miss.
And then there's this week's story that the New York Times turned down an op-ed on Iraq written by John McCain because it didn't "mirror" one written by Obama last week.
The left-wing media's bias against McCain doesn't surprise. But what does is their blatant explanation that McCain -- like everyone else in America and the world -- ought to fall under the hypnosis and "mirror" Obama.
Mindless, automatic, unquestioning acceptance of the Man With All the Answers: it's very Stepford.
Several months ago, while the Democratic primary fight was still in its infancy, there was a widely seen YouTube video mocking Hillary Clinton as a "Big Brother" brainwasher. Her face filled a giant screen, her voice booming platitudes and instructions to a silent, passive, sheep-like crowd. At the very end of the video, a woman puts an end to the mind-control by throwing a sledgehammer at the screen.
Isn't it the height of irony that the real brainwasher is now upon us, hypnotizing, seducing, and controlling, and no one seems ready, willing, or able to throw the sledgehammer?
lighthouse
07-25-2008, 04:44 PM
God will send a strong delusion
that
THEY
should believe
the lie
InTheWind
07-25-2008, 05:51 PM
Sheep being led to slaughter. :nod::(
CoreIssue
07-25-2008, 08:29 PM
He is very similar to the Olsteen's of the world.
Chrystalwuzhere
07-25-2008, 09:14 PM
Obama will win. McCain isn't strong enough to beat Obama.
InTheWind
07-25-2008, 09:44 PM
Obama will win. McCain isn't strong enough to beat Obama.
Unless we`re in the times just before the trib and it`s Gods plan i don`t think he`ll win. It`s too early and McCain is just laying back and letting Obama make mistakes. I think once the debates start Obama will fall way short, but who knows.
CoreIssue
07-25-2008, 10:17 PM
Everyone is forgetting there is about 18% undecided in those polls. Plus it has become common for Independents to lie about who they will vote for out of disgust with the media.
lighthouse
07-26-2008, 08:11 AM
it is supernatural
and that 18% will not vote for mccain
that is how the first bush lost
ross p took the votes and clinton was elected
but this time is different
mr teflon rise is supernatural
bush is our last president
obama the first dictator
his ambition is the world
lighthouse
07-26-2008, 08:15 AM
CREEPY:
Quote:
Ours is a partnership that truly began sixty years ago this summer
Quote:
But the burdens of global citizenship continue to bind us together. A change of leadership in Washington will not lift this burden. In this new century, Americans and Europeans alike will be required to do more -- not less. Partnership and cooperation among nations is not a choice; it is the one way, the only way, to protect our common security and advance our common humanity.
Quote:
And this is the moment when we must give hope to those left behind in a globalized world.
kay-gee
07-26-2008, 08:31 AM
Let's not get too dramatic here. These kinds of things were said about Kennedy too and his fault?...Roman Catholic. His early demise not withstanding, the world didnt suddenly go to pot, the way you speak of an Obama regime.
all the best...
CoreIssue
07-26-2008, 10:13 AM
it is supernatural
and that 18% will not vote for mccain
that is how the first bush lost
ross p took the votes and clinton was elected
but this time is different
mr teflon rise is supernatural
bush is our last president
obama the first dictator
his ambition is the world
And if God says, "Not yet" he will not be elected.
Biblically, the AC will not rule the whole world. The 'nation to the west' will fight against him, turning him back and resulting in his entering Israel Mid Trib.
The ONLY nation that can fulfill that military demand is the US.
Yes, Obama could win. But no, it isn't going down the road to be under the AC some are saying. Obama could fulfill a role of being such a disaster President to move the US to another path. Or, his campaigning will so scare the US it turns.
I do not think he will win and the liberals are sinking fast in the public eye.
The Independents have yet to to speak and they are now the majority in this country.
He will not be the first US dictator. Do not underestimate what will happen if he tries. He will fail.
John Beckett
07-26-2008, 12:05 PM
`
The Obama frenzy has been compared to the wild, hair-pulling hysteria
the Beatles inspired, but while Obamamania has elements of Beatlemania --
a new sound, a new way of hearing and seeing and being entertained,
a liberation of sorts -- Obamamania is more profound and its implications more grave.
Another difference about Obamamania will be the consequences of
going against him after he is elected US President. With Beatlemania,
you had new ideas and actions, but there were certainly enough people
who didn't particularly like them and just turned away and continued on
doing their own thing with no repercussions.
Try going against President Obama and see
how few repercussions there'll be! :eek:
lighthouse
07-26-2008, 06:31 PM
hitler was not the AC
but he was elected president
and became a dictator
bent on ruling the world
never say never
obama will be americas first dictator
one thing i have learned from history
it repeats itself
we are as a nation
fallen
we will get the leader we deserve
Gods people will not wake up until they are crushed
lighthouse
07-26-2008, 06:33 PM
ps
i am part of a growing
number of ppl
who see
the same thing
what will be will be
CoreIssue
07-26-2008, 08:39 PM
ps
i am part of a growing
number of ppl
who see
the same thing
what will be will be
Strange. I am part of growing group that is back lashing against business as usual and liberalism.
Last election in my county out of 7 Council Seats 6 incumbents were replaced with conservative reformers. As I have, through contacts, found to be the case in over 500 other local elections.
My state is one of those has enacted laws that are driving out illegals.
There is a growing legal move to allow more concealed carry, in example.
There was a lot of legislative attempts of the State taking over local affairs. Every one of them was defeated.
Police state in the Mid West and West? Dream on. Those folk will blow away any coming to their door step. Those country folk are all armed.
Military back a dictator? Dream on. Not going to happen. At least not in the foreseeable future.
Little Rock, AR, Clintons' old haunts. The Reserve Center, in total defiance to standing protocol, did not put up his picture in the chain of command when he was in office.
Yea, the liberal news is swamped with the liberal exceptions, but they are not the rule. Yes, we are on the wrong path. But as far down it as the EU? No way near.
Our problem is the two party system seals out the Independents. And they are royaly ticked, being one myself, of our lack of choices in this election.
Independents are growing in numbers. In the primaries many conservatives crossed over to mess with the Democrat Party selection process. Don't believe they actually all became Dems.
I am very involved in politics, as an Independent. The dynamics are not toward liberalism any where around here or in the State in general.
Happy with our State officials? No. But the past was worse and many things they did are now being undone.
Could Obama win? Sure. McCain is a liberal and too close to Bush, who has been a disaster.
But that can be the catalyst that keeps the US from going to the AC in the end.
You guys are totally ignoring Trib prophecy shows the West will not be with the AC.
This puzzle is far from complete assembled.
Jessie
07-26-2008, 09:16 PM
which are the trib prophecys on the west?
that would mean west of Isreal right?
Gods timing, if he says not yet, its not yet. stranger things have happened.
CoreIssue
07-26-2008, 09:34 PM
which are the trib prophecys on the west?
that would mean west of Isreal right?
Gods timing, if he says not yet, its not yet. stranger things have happened.
Daniel 11 covers the Trib wars of the AC, in part. He is constantly at war in the first half, thus the seals of Revelation, in part.
This is where the AC invades Israel at Mid.
29 "At the appointed time he will invade the South again, but this time the outcome will be different from what it was before. 30 Ships of the western coastlands [d (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel%2011;&version=31;#fen-NIV-22067d)] will oppose him, and he will lose heart. Then he will turn back and vent his fury against the holy covenant. He will return and show favor to those who forsake the holy covenant. 31 "His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation. 32 With flattery he will corrupt those who have violated the covenant, but the people who know their God will firmly resist him.
Now, what nation is strong enough to oppose the AC? Where does the US have major naval and air bases? Islands to the west and the lower costal areas. A carrier fleet can pinpoint shell inland about 100 miles. Cruise missiles hundreds. And our coast is West of the EU.
Those forces are against the AC. They are not defeated. The AC never rules the whole world.
Put the US under the AC and there is no power left to resist him in this way.
John Beckett
07-26-2008, 09:45 PM
`
Core, although I agree with you on most, if not all, of
what you are saying here, I just hope you are not
one of those PRO-AMERICA, ALL-OUT RED-WHITE-AND-BLUE,
DON'T LIKE MY COUNTRY GET THE HECK OUT,
REDNECK, DALE EARNHART JR FOR PRESIDENT,
GUN IN THE BACK OF YOUR AMERICAN-MADE
PICKUP, SNAKE-HANDLING, EVERYONE WHO
BELIEVES HALF OF WHAT MICHAEL MOORE
SPOUTS OFF IS A DANG TRAITOR AND
CONSPIRACY THEORIST good ol'
southern boy.
I mean, I sometimes get the impression that you
believe there is still hope for this evil-lovin' place
where Born-Again Christians are considered
nothing but weirdo, holier-than-thou nuisances!
Can I be honest here?
Core, President Bush recently gave Israel the "OK"
to attack Iran. That's the good news. The bad
news? He said the US won't help. Brother CI,
let me go on record as saying, if such an
attack occurs and the US doesn't go to
Israel's aid, as she has WISELY done
in the past, that hurricane that
just hit TX a couple days ago
will prove to be just what
i personally thought it
was .. A WARNING
of things to
come!!
This country is gonna answer for their ignorance of
Bible Prophecy, no matter how many red white
and blue flags we wave!!!!!
:grr:
I hope you agree. I mean, how many times does
a NATURAL???? disaster have to occur in TX
after the US goes against Israel before
people wake up and see?
John Beckett
07-26-2008, 09:50 PM
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Put the US under the AC and there is no power left
to resist him in this way.
Actually, there is. His Name is YAHWEH God, core.
He does not need the US to Handle anyone and/or anything.
And why would we still be here to be "Used" by Him,
anyway? The Rapture will have occurred before it.
CoreIssue
07-26-2008, 10:01 PM
`
Put the US under the AC and there is no power left
to resist him in this way.Actually, there is. His Name is YAHWEH God, core.
God unleashes the AC, John. He does not stop him. You are forgetting the reasons for the Trib.
He does not need the US to Handle anyone and/or anything.
But he choses those he will use. And the prophecy says he WILL use the power of the West.
He used Israel to purge the Promised Land. He used Assyria to punish Israel. And others.
God works though people and nations.
And why would we still be here to be "Used" by Him,
anyway? The Rapture will have occurred before it.
Who said we would be here, John? What makes you think everyone in the Trib will either be for the AC or God at Mid? The Trib forces the choices.
Look at Israel. There are those at the Second Coming that will not come to Christ until then but were not with the AC during the Trib.
Where do you think the Trib Saints come from? From those who enter non-Believers but do not go for the AC. They make their decisions for the full course of the Trib.
It is an erroneous theology to try to say the Trib is divided between God and the AC the whole way or that the AC will rule the whole world. That defies verses about the AC warring constantly, Russia and Allies attacking more than once up to Mid, the West resisting him and the 200 million man army attacking him.
Jessie
07-26-2008, 10:30 PM
which are the trib prophecys on the west?
that would mean west of Isreal right?
Gods timing, if he says not yet, its not yet. stranger things have happened.
Daniel 11 covers the Trib wars of the AC, in part. He is constantly at war in the first half, thus the seals of Revelation, in part.
This is where the AC invades Israel at Mid.
29 "At the appointed time he will invade the South again, but this time the outcome will be different from what it was before. 30 Ships of the western coastlands [d (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel%2011;&version=31;#fen-NIV-22067d)] will oppose him, and he will lose heart. Then he will turn back and vent his fury against the holy covenant. He will return and show favor to those who forsake the holy covenant. 31 "His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation. 32 With flattery he will corrupt those who have violated the covenant, but the people who know their God will firmly resist him.
Now, what nation is strong enough to oppose the AC? Where does the US have major naval and air bases? Islands to the west and the lower costal areas. A carrier fleet can pinpoint shell inland about 100 miles. Cruise missiles hundreds. And our coast is West of the EU.
Those forces are against the AC. They are not defeated. The AC never rules the whole world.
Put the US under the AC and there is no power left to resist him in this way.
putting into the context of today is really something and it makes sense.
thank you!
do you think if this is the case they'd be able to put the MoB in here?
to me it would seem that if so, he'd be ruling here too.
frankly its refreshing to hear he wont rule the world...:nod:
although its gonna be a miserable time.
CoreIssue
07-26-2008, 10:41 PM
[quote=Jessie;32719]which are the trib prophecys on the west?
that would mean west of Isreal right?
Gods timing, if he says not yet, its not yet. stranger things have happened.
Daniel 11 covers the Trib wars of the AC, in part. He is constantly at war in the first half, thus the seals of Revelation, in part.
This is where the AC invades Israel at Mid.
29 "At the appointed time he will invade the South again, but this time the outcome will be different from what it was before. 30 Ships of the western coastlands [d (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel%2011;&version=31;#fen-NIV-22067d)] will oppose him, and he will lose heart. Then he will turn back and vent his fury against the holy covenant. He will return and show favor to those who forsake the holy covenant. 31 "His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation. 32 With flattery he will corrupt those who have violated the covenant, but the people who know their God will firmly resist him.
Now, what nation is strong enough to oppose the AC? Where does the US have major naval and air bases? Islands to the west and the lower costal areas. A carrier fleet can pinpoint shell inland about 100 miles. Cruise missiles hundreds. And our coast is West of the EU.
Those forces are against the AC. They are not defeated. The AC never rules the whole world.
Put the US under the AC and there is no power left to resist him in this way.
putting into the context of today is really something and it makes sense.
thank you!
Yes. Prophecy then must be viewed in the realities of when it comes about to more fully understand it.
do you think if this is the case they'd be able to put the MoB in here?
to me it would seem that if so, he'd be ruling here too.
Why? Why do people jump to that conclusion?
The statue, with Satan in it, establishes MoB and resides in the Temple. Yet, the 144,000 and the Woman do not fall for it?
Sure, some in the US will go there and give in. But we are talking the nation here, not some individuals.
frankly its refreshing to hear he wont rule the world...:nod:
although its gonna be a miserable time.
Extremely miserable.
Jessie
07-26-2008, 10:56 PM
`
Put the US under the AC and there is no power left
to resist him in this way.Actually, there is. His Name is YAHWEH God, core.
God unleashes the AC, John. He does not stop him. You are forgetting the reasons for the Trib.
He does not need the US to Handle anyone and/or anything.
But he choses those he will use. And the prophecy says he WILL use the power of the West.
He used Israel to purge the Promised Land. He used Assyria to punish Israel. And others.
God works though people and nations.
And why would we still be here to be "Used" by Him,
anyway? The Rapture will have occurred before it.
Who said we would be here, John? What makes you think everyone in the Trib will either be for the AC or God at Mid? The Trib forces the choices.
Look at Israel. There are those at the Second Coming that will not come to Christ until then but were not with the AC during the Trib.
Where do you think the Trib Saints come from? From those who enter non-Believers but do not go for the AC. They make their decisions for the full course of the Trib.
It is an erroneous theology to try to say the Trib is divided between God and the AC the whole way or that the AC will rule the whole world. That defies verses about the AC warring constantly, Russia and Allies attacking more than once up to Mid, the West resisting him and the 200 million man army attacking him.
sometimes we just see what they have supposedly lined up for us, and bad teaching too....
their plans will never be realized in full.
if God wants to use the US then its the US that will be used.
this should get interesting to watch the stage set.
lighthouse
07-28-2008, 09:01 AM
even if obama is the ac
the announcement will not happen until after the rapture
but that is my belief
nothing is said that says that the ac
will not be working before that time
just not known as the ''world leader''
i have always said this
he who owns the media
can rule the world
i just saw the following
http://www.raptureready.com/rap16.html
Antichrist’s Press in Training?
Members of the American press are charting new political coverage waters with their sycophantic reporting on Barack Hussein Obama’s tour of the Middle East and Europe. Even the mainstream news media’s own are finding problems with their institution’s obsequious treatment of the Democrat Party’s presumptive candidate for the presidency of the United States.
A pundit pointed out criticism by one mainstream journalist about the coverage of Obama’s out-of-country trip. The well-known news personality voiced her concern that Obama was getting away with less-than-honest comportment as a first-line presidential candidate while he barnstormed far away from domestic turf.
NBC's Andrea Mitchell was the one journalist with the courage to name what she was actually seeing happen: Obama faking even being interviewed by the press. "Let me say something about the message management. He didn't have reporters with him, he didn't have a press pool, he didn't do a press conference," either in Afghanistan or Iraq, noted Mitchell on the air. Instead Obama manufactured “what some would call 'fake interviews,' because they are not interviews from a journalist," Mitchell went on. Mitchell understands very well that this contrived image management is powerfully all to Obama's political advantage. He's shameless when it comes to managing his own image. "Politically it's as smart as can be," she conceded before noting the big obvious truth nobody else in the media was bothering to expose: "We've not seen a presidential candidate do this, in my recollection, ever before" ("Obama Faking It," by Maggie Gallagher, Real Clear Politics, July 23, 2008).
Slavish media attention to the nation’s first African American to have a possible chance, even probable likelihood, of being elected to the nation’s highest office was having some apparently unintended effects. Despite the intensive Hollywood-like publicity coverage at every turn to Obama’s posturing as if he were already president, the polls in America seemed to reflect a recognition, similar to Ms Mitchell’s, that the American media monolith was engaging in overkill –or maybe that would be over-exuberance for the candidate they obviously champion.
Even before the news was out that all three TV broadcast networks--ABC, CBS, and NBC--had sent their anchors along to cover Obama, leaving only a modicum of network coverage for McCain back in the states, the polling statistics were not looking good for the mainstream news conglomerate.
"[A] Rasmussen Reports survey found that plenty of…Americans agree: ‘49% of voters believe most reporters will try to help the Democrat with their coverage, up from 44% a month ago. Just 14% believe most reporters will try to help McCain win, little changed from 13% a month ago. Just one voter in four (24%) believes that most reporters will try to offer unbiased coverage’” (The New York Times, "The Opinionator, Has the Press Voted for Obama?" by Tobin Harshaw, July 21, 2008).
I haven’t found a similar poll since the news has been made well-known that the major television networks have assigned their news anchors, CBS's Katie Couric, ABC's Charles Gibson, and NBC's Brian Williams to do special interviews with Obama while he moves through what many are calling a “campaign extravaganza.” As of this writing, the grandiose treatment the Democrat candidate is receiving isn’t helping. At best, he has held even in the tracking polls, and the trend has been one moving slightly downward. Again, as of this writing, the race is statistically even, when the margin of error is included.
So, it seems the American press, at least, will have to come up with new, innovative techniques that the voting public hasn’t yet caught onto, if they are to influence elections in the future, to the extent they influenced them in the past–when the big 3 networks had a collective monopoly on coverage. Now, the news venues are so fractionalized by the cable and satellite additions for the viewing/listening/reading publics, that old techniques, no matter how powerfully presented, run the risk of turning off the voters, rather than turning them on.
The U.S. press–at least, the traditional, mainstream press--is proving inept in shaping the political landscape as they once did. But, they continue to act as if they believe they can still do it like in the good ol’ days. With their venturing into the Mid-East and Europe, acting for all the world like Obama’s personal publicity machine, the sense is that this is but the beginning of the process to thrust forward candidates of global, rather than of merely national, jurisdiction. European media already speak as one, for the most part. It is their American brethren they must wait upon to come into the global news propaganda siege machine. The American journalists are in training, so to speak.
One day, a man of supernaturally infused charm and abilities will step on the end-times stage of human history. God’s prophetic words say the following about this future global politician: “I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn [were] eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things” (Dan. 7:8). And again the prophetic word says: “And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty [and] two months” (Rev. 13:5).
Antichrist, the supreme globalist-politician, will utilize a future propaganda siege machine, the likes of which this Armageddon-destined world has never seen.
--Terry
CoreIssue
07-28-2008, 04:39 PM
Obama is NOT the AC. The AC rises out of the Ten Toes. That eliminates him point blank.
The prophecies of the West are not going away. They are there and they fight against the AC, nor with him and thus not him or his, nationally speaking.
I believe the AC is alive and working now... in the EU, which is the Ten Toe nation the AC will rise out of and directly rule. It is the old Roman Empire collapsed and reformed.
What is with so many trying to make an American the AC or the US Mystery Babylon? A total non fit in prophecy. unless one stops reading literally.
Daniel tells you the land from which he will arise.
John Beckett
07-28-2008, 06:19 PM
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FIRST OF ALL, REGARDING THAT REPORT FROM RAPTURE READY
THAT LIGHTHOUSE POSTED: I've just learned that Alek Trebek,
host of Jeopardy, needed a dang dictionary to read it!! Like,
what's with all the million-dollar words??
The Rev. Billy Graham and John Hagee had to pray for
Guidance from Above just to understand half of what
it said! lol
Anyway, regarding the ac not being from the US because
the ac will rise up out of the ten toes nations, I was
thinking a few years back about the distinct
possibility that the US will one day
have no choice but to join
the EU because of
the Rapture!
Doesn't the Bible Say he will be of muslim descent?
If Obama is the prez by then, and all these Christians
disappear, think of the political and economic impact
the Rapture would have! Oops. And did I mention
MILITARY impact?? That's a lotta Christian
military personnel the US would abruptly
be without.
CoreIssue
07-28-2008, 09:51 PM
No. The Bible does not allow for the US to be in the EU. Pay attention to the prophecy of the West and the prophecies that define the empire of the AC.
And the AC is revealed to begin the Trib. He does not come later.
No! He will not be of Muslim descent. The AC religion is not Islam.
Sure, there will be impact by the Rapture. But what makes you think there are that many Christians around? If there were the Rapture would not happen.
bobrobert
08-18-2008, 03:45 PM
Hitler???
Sad.
Hitler????????
The anti-christ???
Take some time out - get a copy of Obamas' books from the library - take the time to read them.
Hitler - the anti-christ - really seems to push the envelope to me.
I would worry more about McCain being the anti-christ.
CoreIssue
08-18-2008, 05:17 PM
Hitler???
Sad.
Hitler????????
The anti-christ???
Take some time out - get a copy of Obamas' books from the library - take the time to read them.
Empty rhetoric that violates the Bible.
If you think the Gospel is a social agenda, as he does, then you do not have a clue on what the Bible says.
By the way, he is pro-abortion and gay rights.
Hitler - the anti-christ - really seems to push the envelope to me.
I would worry more about McCain being the anti-christ.
Neither are the AC.
McCain is basically a red dog Democrat from the 60s. He is not a conservative to me.
But Obama? A Socialist. Believer in Liberation Theology, which is a false gospel.
kay-gee
08-18-2008, 08:42 PM
Endless fear-mongering, and it's getting a little over the top! The Christian right really does need to get a handle on this prophecy business.
all the best...
bobrobert
08-18-2008, 09:52 PM
Funny - my bible does not say anything about Barack Obama!!!!
Obama is NOT a socialist and attempts to label him one have been proven false.
Christians should never promote hate - never.
Being against abortion is fine - preaching hate of people that believe in abortion is wrong.
Being against the gay life style is fine - preaching hate of people that are gay is wrong.
Empty rhetoric is pretending to know the bible better than another man - the only one that can tell what is in the heart of anyone is god.
The neat thing is - he is not afraid to claim being a christian.
Since many people claim to be christians and promote fear and hate it is refreshing to see someone claiming to be a christian that promotes peace, healthcare for all, tax relief for the poor, and an end to an unjust war.
:-)
CoreIssue
08-18-2008, 11:31 PM
Endless fear-mongering, and it's getting a little over the top! The Christian right really does need to get a handle on this prophecy business.
all the best...
Again you just throw out rhetoric and cliches, KG. Never addressing the verses.
Don't try to tell others they are wrong when you offer nothing of substance to back your case.
Easy to make declarations. Now try proving them for once.
CoreIssue
08-18-2008, 11:42 PM
Funny - my bible does not say anything about Barack Obama!!!!
Says plenty about his type, though.
Obama is NOT a socialist and attempts to label him one have been proven false.Yea. Right.
Christians should never promote hate - never.And here comes the labeling.
Hmmm. By that determination you are preaching hate against McCain.
Being against abortion is fine - preaching hate of people that believe in abortion is wrong.Never said I hated him. I absolutely do not want him or his kind in charge.
Being against the gay life style is fine - preaching hate of people that are gay is wrong.Where has hate been said here?
Empty rhetoric is pretending to know the bible better than another man - the only one that can tell what is in the heart of anyone is god.We haven't dug into the verses. Post something to back your claims and we can talk and see who know what is being said.
The neat thing is - he is not afraid to claim being a christian.Neither are cult members and a lot of other false Christians.
Since many people claim to be christians and promote fear and hate it is refreshing to see someone claiming to be a christian that promotes peace, healthcare for all, tax relief for the poor, and an end to an unjust war.
:-)Well, nice sound bites. Now try dealing with the real world, which we have to live in.
Go try to hug an Al Queda member all by yourself in a secluded area. See what happens.
kay-gee
08-19-2008, 09:49 AM
I'm throwing out endless rhetoric and cliches??? In a thread whose author appears to be a Republican disgruntled at the prospects of a Dem being elected, is claiming the USA is bound to become a Nazi like regime and on and on. C'mon guys! Puh-lease!
In your 50 some odd years of life, you have never seen prophetic abuse?
So, then I can just say any old thing, and as long as I can drag out a vague verse or two, from the Bible, you are OK with that?
I think not. You are an intelligent guy and I believe you know exactly what I mean!!!
all the best...
CoreIssue
08-19-2008, 11:21 AM
[quote=kay-gee;33243]I'm throwing out endless rhetoric and cliches??? In a thread whose author appears to be a Republican disgruntled at the prospects of a Dem being elected, is claiming the USA is bound to become a Nazi like regime and on and on. C'mon guys! Puh-lease!
Talk delayed conducting WWII and made it worse. A refusal to fight would have allowed Germany to keep expanding.
So get over the peace at all cost nonsense. The worst wars came under governments that didn't believe in using military. The least when others knew the military would be used if push.
In your 50 some odd years of life, you have never seen prophetic abuse?
Of course I have. And you are one of the worst because you refuse to deal with verses. You just throw out your desires as if they have Biblical meaning.
For once get off the rhetoric and deal with the verses!!!
So, then I can just say any old thing, and as long as I can drag out a vague verse or two, from the Bible, you are OK with that?
Try studying for once and get off the spiritualizing literal words into mush that is meaningless.
I have posted verses, word meaning, history and so forth. You just declare your opinions.
You are not a literalist. You have nothing but your inventions of meaning.
Prove me wrong and actual deal with verses for once. you NEVER do.
I think not. You are an intelligent guy and I believe you know exactly what I mean!!!
Yea. You don't like the Bible's literal statements and want to spiritualize them away.
I have debated your way of thinking for may years. You guys never have any argument based on anything literal. You appeal to your logic, thinking and non literal defining of verses.
So you never agree among yourselves yet in unity attack those that do read literally.
Even among those who read literal in the main there are some that do not like some literal portions, as with the 24 Elders not being Church, in example, and they wander off into assuptions and non literal in those areas.
My point is that those who stay literal do agree and do come to the same conclusions because literal word meaning, grammar and such, when followed, force one to a conclusion, whether they like it or not.
The 69th -70th Weeks of Daniel get butchered to avoid historical and literal readings. The Temple of Ezekiel has never existed yet, but there are some amazing theories offered to escape it being future. The Two Witnesses have yet to appear on the earth, but they do so in the Temple in Jerusalem when the do, meaning future. The 144,000 are Jews of the Tribes of Israel in a framework of covenant of Israel, not Church. Has not happened yet. And on and on.
But folk like you just brush it off and try to bend history to fit or turn it into Church via amazing contortions.
You NEVER deal with those issues. You just dismiss them because you do not want Israel to return as covenant. You don't want to believe the Trib is literally going to happen.
Say I am wrong? Prove it. Deal with the verses instead of just making lame person assumption statements base on your feelings.
bobrobert
08-20-2008, 08:33 AM
:pray:
Remember that the christian mofia always encourages hate.
Remember that hate is the product of the devil.
Love is the fruit of the spirit.
If anyone supports hate and uses scripture as proof that hate is good I KNOW that the scripture is not being quoted properly.
Read your bible daily - ask the spirit to enlighten you to what it says.
There is no one that can enlighten you as to what scripture says better than the spirit can.
Jesus never encouraged us to hate others.
Jesus gave us the fruit of the spirit to defeat the devil.
Read your bible and allow the spirit to guide you.
CoreIssue
08-20-2008, 10:57 AM
:pray:
Remember that the christian mofia always encourages hate.
Shades of gray PC situational ethics fence sitters call everything that disagrees with them hate.
Remember that hate is the product of the devil.
So, when God says he hates something he is following the devil?
Nope, the Bible says there is righteous hate.
Love is the fruit of the spirit.
As is justice.
If anyone supports hate and uses scripture as proof that hate is good I KNOW that the scripture is not being quoted properly.
Only if you don't read literally. Which you do not, obviously.
Read your bible daily - ask the spirit to enlighten you to what it says.
When are you going to start listening?
There is no one that can enlighten you as to what scripture says better than the spirit can.
Yep. So stop listening to your own desires.
Jesus never encouraged us to hate others.
Hate sin is what he taught, which means sometimes you have to stop the ones you love who practice sin.
Jesus gave us the fruit of the spirit to defeat the devil.
And said we would not always succeed. But in eternity they would be defeated and punished in the Lake of Fire.
Read your bible and allow the spirit to guide you.
Follow your own words and discover your errors.
bobrobert
08-20-2008, 11:44 AM
Rofl
yep - Shades of gray PC situational ethics fence sitters call everything that disagrees with them hate.
Golly - name calling is certainly adult. Cute comeback when you want to belittle people with different opinions - not.
Only if you don't read literally. Which you do not, obviously.
I do read literally. Jesus literally says we must love our enemies.
As for my errors - I have many and cannot deny it.
As for my reading the bible I do. As for my letting the spirit guide me I do.
Best to all and have a great day.
Jessie
08-20-2008, 01:18 PM
Rofl
yep - Shades of gray PC situational ethics fence sitters call everything that disagrees with them hate.Golly - name calling is certainly adult. Cute comeback when you want to belittle people with different opinions - not.
Only if you don't read literally. Which you do not, obviously.I do read literally. Jesus literally says we must love our enemies.
As for my errors - I have many and cannot deny it.
As for my reading the bible I do. As for my letting the spirit guide me I do.
Best to all and have a great day.
seems you've been doing the belittling...
all along...
time for you to follow your own notion of love which you havent done here.
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