Billy Graham's son pulls NO punches .....

[John Beckett]

Franklin Graham peppered Obama about ties to Islam http://www.worldnetdaily.com/images/breaking.gif
Candidate confronted on Christian faith,
asked whether he accepts Jesus as savior (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=68581)
--WND


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[CoreIssue]

When Obama gets into any kind of details, he as another Christ and another Gospel.

[bobrobert]

This article seems to be part of an effort to call Obama a liar.

If folks have doubts about Obama being a christian they should go to the library and read his books.

It takes little time to read what the Obama beliefs are in his own words instead of others that want to cast a negative light on Obama.

It is a shame when people refuse to find out facts for themselves.

[CoreIssue]

This article seems to be part of an effort to call Obama a liar.
He is.

One week he says on thing, then another another, then claims he never changed.

That is being a liar.
If folks have doubts about Obama being a christian they should go to the library and read his books.

It takes little time to read what the Obama beliefs are in his own words instead of others that want to cast a negative light on Obama.

It is a shame when people refuse to find out facts for themselves.
He is pro-abortion, pro-gay rights, believes in Liberation Theology, which pushes a false gospel, rejects a literal Bible and reads for definition via social and cultural norms and so forth.

Yea, I have more than enough information from him to say he has said nothing that says Christian to me.

[bobrobert]

Jesus taught love - people push their opinions.

I change my opinions frequently when new facts come to light.

I have more than enough information about Obama that tells me he a christian.

One question, since Obama and McCain are both sinners - and god hates all sin - what are we to use as our basis for deciding who should lead our country.

What does god use to decide who should win the election???

[InTheWind]

McCain and obama were asked on tv today when life takes place, McCain said at conception, obama said he couldn`t say, hmmmmmm
Obama wants to disarm us, and yes any taking away of our right to bear arms is gun contol and wrong.
obama wants to sit down and sweet talk our enimies out of killing us, won`t work, they`ll cut your throat in a minute.
Who would God put in charge of this country, the one that will deffend it and not sell us out like clinton did, but that`s just my opinion.

You changed the last question, common sense is the answer, Vote MaCain.

[bobrobert]

:-)

Sad - since life starts at conception we should be able to get that pesky supreme court ruling overturned without any problem.

Sad - since life starts at conception their should be some way to convince everyone that abortion is murder.

Sad - since life starts at conception and this a nation made up of christians we should be able to support an amendment to the constitution to save the children.

Sad - those of us that are christians and believe that abortion is murder are powerless to stop it.

Abortion is an important consideration for choosing a chief but it is not the main one.

If we were to go to nuclear war with Russia the number of abortions would kinda become insignificant to the number of people killed world wide.

McCain has one answer that is his end all for anyone that dares to question the US foreign policy - dictate that answer and if it isn't accepted go to war.

McCain has one answer for the economy - DON"T raise the taxes on corporations.

McCain has one answer for supporting the troops - stop loss and try to fight the GI bill.

Obama is not stupid enough to try and disarm americans - he knows we (veterans) are just bullheaded enough to start shooting anyone that comes for our guns.

Many folks hate the idea that the US has to sit down and talk to our enemies - we have always been taught to kill our enemies not talk to them. "We are at the point that we cannot keep killing them - we are running out of bullets.

As far as Clinton selling us out - that is one of those urban legends.

Bush lied to us to get us to go to war - how pathetic is a President that has to lie to the people to get them to go to war.

This is one christian that finds ... after much prayer ... and a life time of voting for only the republican presidential candidate ... that Obama is the only one that will not further destroy our country.

Common sense is important.. so is prayer for guidance on who should lead this country.

[CoreIssue]

Jesus taught love - people push their opinions.
He also taught justice, whipped men with a stick and crashed their tables called men vipers and snakes.

At the Second Coming he will kill millions himself.

Shopping Cart Theology allows one to only see what they want.
I change my opinions frequently when new facts come to light.
Good policy.
I have more than enough information about Obama that tells me he a christian.
Hmmmm. I guess it depends on how one defines Christian.
One question, since Obama and McCain are both sinners - and god hates all sin - what are we to use as our basis for deciding who should lead our country.
The one that comes closest to following Christ and uses good judgment in office.

Neither are ideal, but Obama uses terrible judgment.

I say that coming from a background where I have seen which ones thinking preserves more life, peace and freedom. It isn't Obama's.
What does god use to decide who should win the election???
His Plan. Which sometimes means the worst one wins, as shown in the OT where he says when a nation journeys far from him he takes away good leaders, which is where we are by and large.

[CoreIssue]

:-)

Sad - since life starts at conception we should be able to get that pesky supreme court ruling overturned without any problem.
Should but won't when a country is driven by self interest and and truth.
Sad - since life starts at conception their should be some way to convince everyone that abortion is murder.
Not when self is their god and governing agenda above all else.
Sad - since life starts at conception and this a nation made up of christians we should be able to support an amendment to the constitution to save the children.
Correction. Made up of many who say they are Christians but in fact are not. So the amendment is not a given.
Sad - those of us that are christians and believe that abortion is murder are powerless to stop it.
Yes.
Abortion is an important consideration for choosing a chief but it is not the main one.
But have you noticed those who are pro-abortion are incredibly wrong in many areas? How can one be so cold and wrong here without it carrying over into all of their life?
If we were to go to nuclear war with Russia the number of abortions would kinda become insignificant to the number of people killed world wide.
And if we had refused to fight evil in the past it would be the US of Nazi America.
McCain has one answer that is his end all for anyone that dares to question the US foreign policy - dictate that answer and if it isn't accepted go to war.
That is an erroneous claim.

And what is Obama's answer? Talk while they conquer the world.
McCain has one answer for the economy - DON"T raise the taxes on corporations.

Nope. Wrong.
McCain has one answer for supporting the troops - stop loss and try to fight the GI bill.
That is a nonsense claim.
Obama is not stupid enough to try and disarm americans - he knows we (veterans) are just bullheaded enough to start shooting anyone that comes for our guns.
He fully supported the DC total ban and is for gun control.
Many folks hate the idea that the US has to sit down and talk to our enemies - we have always been taught to kill our enemies not talk to them. "We are at the point that we cannot keep killing them - we are running out of bullets.
Absurd statement.

Ever hear of peace through strength? Worked for Roosevelt and Reagan, in example. Not for Carter or Clinton.
As far as Clinton selling us out - that is one of those urban legends.
That is a fact. Libs try to spin it as a lie.
Bush lied to us to get us to go to war - how pathetic is a President that has to lie to the people to get them to go to war.
Not going to debate that with you. There was WMD's. Where do you think they were moved to? How about Syria and Iran.
This is one christian that finds ... after much prayer ... and a life time of voting for only the republican presidential candidate ... that Obama is the only one that will not further destroy our country.
Yea. Right.

I grew up near where Obama came from. Ultra liberal area with some of the most crooked politicians in the nation.
Common sense is important.. so is prayer for guidance on who should lead this country.
How about neither of our choices. McCain is bad and Obama is worse.

[kay-gee]

Sorry, but gun control is a concept that's time has come.

in 1899, when there were 3 cars on the road, traffic signals and license plates were not needed.

The times...they are a changing!!!

all the best...

[kay-gee]

Bobrobert....you had a shot at greatness in Hilary Clinton. Were you sleeping?

all the best...

[CoreIssue]

KG, you are a true Canadian ultra liberal.

But Biblically speaking, your situational ethics are just plain wrong.

[InTheWind]

Sorry, but gun control is a concept that's time has come.

in 1899, when there were 3 cars on the road, traffic signals and license plates were not needed.

The times...they are a changing!!!

all the best...


Give me a break, so it`s all right to change the Constitution to fit the times. Wake up, where there`s the most gun control is where there is the most crime. Do you think criminals are stupid, they love defenseless people.
Where do you stop when changing the constitution, only when they have taken all your rights away.
I`m tiring of your liberal smart remarks, get real, many men and women died for our right to bear arms and the supreme court just acknowledge that.

[Jessie]

Sorry, but gun control is a concept that's time has come.

in 1899, when there were 3 cars on the road, traffic signals and license plates were not needed.

The times...they are a changing!!!

all the best...


just wondering....

did you ever learn how to use a gun? and are you yourself afraid of them?
I usually hear this from folks who are scared of them themselves.

with this thinking you all are gonna have to get rid of anything that can be a weapon. even kitchen knifes.
and the list continues.

seeing as how crminals use those now where gun control is.

look at the news. not just in your own back yard.

I'd rather get shot than have that used on me.

[bobrobert]

Love can defeat evil.

Love can defeat hatred.

Jesus taught us to love our enemy.

Hate is the product of the devil.

[bobrobert]

Bobrobert....you had a shot at greatness in Hilary Clinton. Were you sleeping?

all the best...


:pray: She gave me nightmares. She couldn't lead her campaign much less a country.

The quote that she would nuke Iran was the ultimate statement that proved she would do anything at all to compete with the guys.

She had a chip on her shoulder and wanted to prove she was as tough as the male candidate.

She had nothing to prove - all female world leaders are tough as nails and don't need to prove it.

We know she is tough as nails - killing woman and children with nukes is not tough - it is immoral.

I shall stick with Obama.

McDoodoo wants to nuke Russia - that is a testament to suicidal tendencies.

[InTheWind]

bobrobert, I`ll guarantee you love will not defeat any wars or save this earth we now live on. Read Revaluations, it doesn`t get better it gets worse, no one but the AC is going to sweet talk anyone into stop killing one another, other than Christ when He returns and He won`t be sweet talking anyone then either, He tried that the first time He was here.

[kay-gee]

Jessie, in answer to your queston...yes I can discharge a firearm! I grew up in hunting/gun family. I am myself, am not too bad of a marksman. Guns just never caught my fancy in the way it did some of my family members (one brother owning 20 some odd guns of various calibres).
and ITW, no smart remarks intended...I have this same discussion all the time with my brothers and it gets pretty heated! Gun owners are pretty passionate and ridgid about this topic.
I hate to see regulations, but it is just one of those things. Whatcha gonna do? I wanna hear some suggestions from the gun crowd!

Canadian Ultra liberal!!! LOL Core...you slay me!

all the best...

[bobrobert]

bobrobert, I`ll guarantee you love will not defeat any wars or save this earth we now live on. Read Revaluations, it doesn`t get better it gets worse, no one but the AC is going to sweet talk anyone into stop killing one another, other than Christ when He returns and He won`t be sweet talking anyone then either, He tried that the first time He was here.

I doubt that you are in fact able to guarantee it.

I know what the bible teaches.

I will stick with the bible.

:nod:

[CoreIssue]

Love can defeat evil.

Love can defeat hatred.

Jesus taught us to love our enemy.

Hate is the product of the devil.
He also taught justice and will put many into the Lake of Fire for Eternal Punishment.

You are only talking half a picture here.

[bobrobert]

Yep.

Jesus will judge ... that is a given.

I hope ... that he will see fit to do it soon.

[Jessie]

Jessie, in answer to your queston...yes I can discharge a firearm! I grew up in hunting/gun family. I am myself, am not too bad of a marksman. Guns just never caught my fancy in the way it did some of my family members (one brother owning 20 some odd guns of various calibres).
and ITW, no smart remarks intended...I have this same discussion all the time with my brothers and it gets pretty heated! Gun owners are pretty passionate and ridgid about this topic.
I hate to see regulations, but it is just one of those things. Whatcha gonna do? I wanna hear some suggestions from the gun crowd!

Canadian Ultra liberal!!! LOL Core...you slay me!

all the best...

you know kg if all you listen to is the news its biased.
you dont hear about all the other ways people hurt each other.
dont you find it odd that you DONT hear that?
and only focus on guns?

[InTheWind]

Jessie, in answer to your queston...yes I can discharge a firearm! I grew up in hunting/gun family. I am myself, am not too bad of a marksman. Guns just never caught my fancy in the way it did some of my family members (one brother owning 20 some odd guns of various calibres).
and ITW, no smart remarks intended...I have this same discussion all the time with my brothers and it gets pretty heated! Gun owners are pretty passionate and ridgid about this topic.
I hate to see regulations, but it is just one of those things. Whatcha gonna do? I wanna hear some suggestions from the gun crowd!

Canadian Ultra liberal!!! LOL Core...you slay me!

all the best...

I`m waiting for you to reply about where it stops when people start changing the constitution. :scratch:

[InTheWind]

From this months NRA mag. obama`s ten point plan to change the Second Amendment.

1- Ban use of firearms for home defense.

2- Pass Federal laws eliminating your right-to-carry.

3- Ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns.

4- Close down 90% of gun shops in America.

5- Ban rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.

6- Increase federal taxes on guns and ammunition by 500 percent.

7- Restore voting rights for five million criminals including those who have been convicted of using a gun to commit a violent crime.

8- Expand the Clinton semi-ayto ban to include millions more firearms.

9- Mandate a government- issued licence to purchase a firearm.

10- Apoint judges to the U.S Supreme Court andFederal judiciary who share his views on the Second Admendment.

[CoreIssue]

Don't forget it takes 2/3 of Congress and 2/3 of the States to approve such a change to the Constitution.

No way they can get either.

[InTheWind]

As i said in reply on the other thread, maybe but it shows what his idea of change is. I`m not worried anyway, that clown will never win, unless it`s Gods plan for him to rule this country while the AC is in power.

[CoreIssue]

As i said in reply on the other thread, maybe but it shows what his idea of change is. I`m not worried anyway, that clown will never win, unless it`s Gods plan for him to rule this country while the AC is in power.
Agree.

[Chrystalwuzhere]

Amen, Wind.

I still fail to see how people can separate following God's will from who they vote for in an election. The Matthew 25 Network is a network of evangelical ministers who are backing Obama. They have campaign ads that are running on CHRISTIAN radio stations as an endorsement in an attempt to get Christians to vote for him. If you're shocked that Christian radio stations are playing these ads, well...what do you expect from the Emerging Church?

This man has bewitched millions.

[bobrobert]

McCain vs Obama

The winner will be the one that can bewitch the most.

Interesting concept.

We will know in less time than it takes to change the constitution.