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monilove
05-14-2008, 06:35 PM
I am a novice at thread starting so if this is not correct please let me know. In reading these verses it appears that Peter still had a difficult time comprehending Paul's gospel of Grace. I know that when Paul announced that God had given him the Gospel to carry to the Gentiles, the other apostles were not too certain however later on Paul/Barnabas received the right hands of fellowship(Galatians 2:9). It was agreed that Paul would go to the Gentiles and Peter with the other apostles would remain strictly dedicated to the Jewish converts. Is this correct? I've heard presentations that presume Paul was grafted into this group of 12 and they all went about preaching the same gospel however in reading from Paul's HS inspired writings and Peter's and John's ,there are differences.
Chrystalwuzhere
05-14-2008, 07:16 PM
What differences are you referring to?
CoreIssue
05-14-2008, 10:16 PM
I am a novice at thread starting so if this is not correct please let me know. In reading these verses it appears that Peter still had a difficult time comprehending Paul's gospel of Grace. I know that when Paul announced that God had given him the Gospel to carry to the Gentiles, the other apostles were not too certain however later on Paul/Barnabas received the right hands of fellowship(Galatians 2:9). It was agreed that Paul would go to the Gentiles and Peter with the other apostles would remain strictly dedicated to the Jewish converts. Is this correct? I've heard presentations that presume Paul was grafted into this group of 12 and they all went about preaching the same gospel however in reading from Paul's HS inspired writings and Peter's and John's ,there are differences.
A question here would be which Bible version are you reading? The KJV makes some things harder to follow.
I see no problem with Peter and Paul differing on the Gospel. Verse 14 spells that out pretty clearly they both shared the same.
14So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. 15Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him.
He says 'also,' which means the share the same Gospel.
It is true Peter stuck with the Jews after some effort with the Gentiles. But that was because he was never comfortable leaving the old Jewish discomfort with Gentiles behind.
I see most of the letters of the Apostles addressed to both Jew and Gentile saints. There is no command of who goes to who in the NT that I can find.
Chrystal's question is still valid and I am interested in the answer as well. :D
monilove
05-15-2008, 04:07 PM
Thanks for the response. Ok back in Acts before Paul's conversion where Peter ministers to Jews who had been scattered but came together for Pentecost, Peter rehearses the events that took place prior ie Jesus's ministry, crucifixion etc. When the Jews respond stating what must we do (Acts 2:37) the response given by Peter in vs 38 " Repent and be baptized everyone of you in the Name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sin". Paul in Romans 1:16 mentions nothing other than faith in the Cross/Resurrection equaling salvation. Galatians 2:7 Paul states that the two were sent to two different groups of people. Paul to the Gentile and Peter to the Jews. I guess I'm trying to find where Peter tells the Jews they are no longer under law, that temple worship could cease because of the Cross and the Resurrection. I can only locate faith plus nothing in Paul's writings. With the others(non Pauline) I see an acceptance of the Name of Christ Jesus and that He is the Messiah only w/out an acceptance of the resurrection...IA the law had been ingrained in so many of the Jews that it was difficult to accept God's grace but I cannot locate where Peter concurs w/Paul's grace gospel wholeheartedly. I'm using KJV.
CoreIssue
05-15-2008, 04:52 PM
Thanks for the response. Ok back in Acts before Paul's conversion where Peter ministers to Jews who had been scattered but came together for Pentecost, Peter rehearses the events that took place prior ie Jesus's ministry, crucifixion etc. When the Jews respond stating what must we do (Acts 2:37) the response given by Peter in vs 38 " Repent and be baptized everyone of you in the Name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sin". Paul in Romans 1:16 mentions nothing other than faith in the Cross/Resurrection equaling salvation.
[QUOTE]1 Peter 3
21and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20peter%203:21;&version=31;#fen-NIV-30430a)] of a good conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
Same issue. Just stated differently. Together they are a more complete statement.
You can also throw other statements like 'salvation is by faith, not of works,' 'salvation is by repentance in faith by grace,' 1 Peter speaks of the blood, and more.
Remember when Peter spoke the Holy Spirit had just for the first time given the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and Peter was still very much in Israel Covenant mode. The Church literally began its physical presence that day.
Galatians 2:7 Paul states that the two were sent to two different groups of people. Paul to the Gentile and Peter to the Jews.
And in Acts 10 Peter was sent to Gentiles.
I guess I'm trying to find where Peter tells the Jews they are no longer under law, that temple worship could cease because of the Cross and the Resurrection.
And where does he ever say they are still under the law or should be in the Temple? If they were then they would not be listening to Peter or the other Apostles but an annointed Levitical Priest.
I can only locate faith plus nothing in Paul's writings.
Paul actually said repentance by faith in grace, preached that without the resurrection our hope is futile and more.
You never find any Apostle saying by faith and law keeping. James and Peter speak of faith in their books without Law or Temple.
With the others(non Pauline) I see an acceptance of the Name of Christ Jesus and that He is the Messiah only w/out an acceptance of the resurrection...IA the law had been ingrained in so many of the Jews that it was difficult to accept God's grace but I cannot locate where Peter concurs w/Paul's grace gospel wholeheartedly. I'm using KJV.
Read the books of Peter, James, John etc and there is faith without law.
There isn't two covenants and salvations at work at the same time. Salvation has always been, from Adam on, by repentance in faith by grace.
Covenants are how God speaks to the world. The Mosaic Covenant ended with the cross, the closing of the 69th Week of Daniel. The New Covenant to the Houses of Israel and Judah being at the Rapture, the beginning of the 70th Week of Daniel.
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