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CTZonEdit
05-13-2008, 01:59 PM
BERLIN — It is only a breathless Hollywood script: treasure-hunter Indiana Jones races with German archaeologists to track down the fabled Ark of the Covenant, the chest that held the stone tablets on which the Ten Commandments were etched.

Now German researchers claim to have found the remains of the palace of the Queen of Sheba — and an altar that may have held the Ark.
The discovery, announced by the University of Hamburg last week, has stirred skeptical rumblings from the archaeological community.
The location of the Ark, indeed its existence, has been a source of controversy for centuries.

Regarded as the most precious treasure of ancient Judaism, it is at the heart of a debate about whether archaeology should chronicle the rise and fall of civilizations or explore the boundaries between myth and ancient history.

Professor Helmut Ziegert, of the archaeological institute at the University of Hamburg, has been supervising a dig in Aksum, northern Ethiopia, since 1999.

"From the dating, its position and the details that we have found, I am sure that this is the palace," he said.
The palace, that is, of the Queen of Sheba, who is believed to have lived in the 10th century B.C.
After she died, her son and successor, Menelek, replaced the palace with a temple dedicated to Sirius.

The German researchers believe that the Ark was taken from Jerusalem by the queen — who had a liaison with King Solomon — and built into the altar to Sirius.

"The results we have suggest that a Cult of Sothis developed in Ethiopia with the arrival of Judaism and the Ark of the Covenant, and continued until 600 A.D.," an announcement by the University of Hamburg on behalf of the research team said.
Sothis is the ancient Greek name for the star Sirius.

The Ark was made, according to the Bible, of gold-plated acacia wood and topped with two golden angels. It is said to be a source of great power. In about 586 B.C., when the Babylonians conquered the Israelites, the Ark vanished.

For many centuries finding it has been one of the great quests — inspiration not only for the 1981 film "Raiders of the Lost Ark," but also for countries seeking to position themselves in the mainstream of ancient civilization.

Many archaeologists believe that their profession should not be in the business of myth-chasing. Even if the Ark were found, it would be impossible to establish scientifically whether it was the original receptacle for the Ten Commandments.

Iris Gerlach of the German Archaeological Institute in Sanaa, Yemen, believes the religious centre of Sheba is in present-day Yemen.
Although she does not go head-to-head with her colleague Professor Ziegert, the message is clear: A relic such as the Ark would have been stored in an important religious city rather than in Aksum.

Quest goes on
— The location of the Ark has been put in Egypt, Zimbabwe and even Ireland, where the Hill of Tara was excavated
— The Ethiopian holy town of Aksum is regarded as a more credible site
— Ethiopians believe that it is defended by monks in the church of St. Mary of Zion and is seen only by the guardian of the Ark, making it impossible to verify


Remember that in order for the Temple to be rebuilt the ark has to be found and placed into it. It wont be complete without it.

I have always wondered if the Church St Mary Zion is really guarding the ark. They wont let anyone see it.

If it is the ark why doesn't Isreal demand its return to its homeland since its ancient Jewish property? Or at the very least they could allow Jewish archaeologists to verify that it is the ark.

For all we know they could be guarding a hot dog cart.

CoreIssue
05-13-2008, 03:04 PM
I am fascinated by that location, I forget the name, where they claim it is hidden now and openly guarded.

Why? Because no one has forced their way in to look. How conceivable is that unless divine will is acting, or the most incredible coincidence around.

Jessie
05-13-2008, 04:02 PM
I was reading isaiah last night.
is it possible that the ark will not be brought back until the Lord is back?
the eithiopians will bring him something!

and if the ark is required for the temple to be built why?

CTZonEdit
05-13-2008, 04:43 PM
I am fascinated by that location, I forget the name, where they claim it is hidden now and openly guarded.

Why? Because no one has forced their way in to look. How conceivable is that unless divine will is acting, or the most incredible coincidence around.

I believe its Aksum, Ethiopia?

It does sound odd that in all these years no one has sneaked in. I've seen documentaries on TV and the place is surrounded by only an iron bar fence and one guardian. Wouldnt be hard to bypass.

And is strange that no one has...

CTZonEdit
05-13-2008, 04:46 PM
I was reading isaiah last night.
is it possible that the ark will not be brought back until the Lord is back?
the eithiopians will bring him something!

and if the ark is required for the temple to be built why?

The temple is not complete without it. Its part and parcel of the temple and its rituals.

Otherwise the temple is not the true temple. Its just a building.

CoreIssue
05-13-2008, 05:10 PM
I am fascinated by that location, I forget the name, where they claim it is hidden now and openly guarded.

Why? Because no one has forced their way in to look. How conceivable is that unless divine will is acting, or the most incredible coincidence around.

I believe its Aksum, Ethiopia?

It does sound odd that in all these years no one has sneaked in. I've seen documentaries on TV and the place is surrounded by only an iron bar fence and one guardian. Wouldnt be hard to bypass.

And is strange that no one has...
That is it. A strange place, actually.

Chrystalwuzhere
05-13-2008, 09:56 PM
I've thought the same thing myself, CTZ.

CTZonEdit
05-14-2008, 09:49 AM
Another strange snippet from Wiki...

Ethiopian Christians have claimed that the Ark rests in a chapel in the small town of Aksum after arriving nearly 3,000 years ago. It has been guarded by a succession of virgin monks who, once anointed, are forbidden to set foot outside the chapel grounds until they die. Author Paul Raffaele reached the chapel but was only able to go so far as to meet the guardian. He expressed fear that if he sneaked past the guardian the alarm would have been sounded and feared possible harm by the Ark itself. He noted that the Ark was paraded through the streets during one of the holy ceremonies, but the guardian paid it no attention. (This led Raffaele to presume that the Ark on display was one of several false arks rumoured to exist.)

CoreIssue
05-14-2008, 01:01 PM
Now that is interesting. Had not thought of that angle but it makes sense.

CTZonEdit
05-14-2008, 01:21 PM
But you'd think in all these years that some skeptic would have tried to out this legend.

What is keeping them away? And some of them must be pompus enough to just bolster inside. Why don't they and just dispel this myth altogether?

CoreIssue
05-14-2008, 01:42 PM
Only reason I can think of is God.

Jessie
05-14-2008, 04:14 PM
it will be returned when it is time. as to whether this is the ark or not who knows?

and too God would keep it safe and where he wants it.

many have tried to do things God said they could'nt do.
like rebuild certain citys ect.... and it did'nt go well.

I like that...
that guy said he was afriad of God.

Chrystalwuzhere
05-14-2008, 08:21 PM
He must've read of the account in 2nd Samuel where Uzzah died when he touched the Ark. Also, when the ark was stolen by the Philistines, they were smitten with emerods until it was given back.

That's enough to strike fear into the hearts of most.

CTZonEdit
05-15-2008, 10:53 AM
That makes sense if you really believe in the power of the Ark.

But a skeptic? What does he/she care? Why not just barge in and expose the "myth" of the ark and just put all this to rest? To them its just a wooden box.

Chrystalwuzhere
05-15-2008, 08:45 PM
I'm just curious.... if you were standing outside that little building, do you think you would have the courage to go in and take a look, or would you be fearful to try?

I would prayerfully consider it, and indeed, it would be hard not to go have a peek, but I think I would be too scared unless the Lord impressed upon my heart to go in (which I don't believe would ever happen).

If the ark is there (and this is just my opinion, mind you), then I think it is God who has turned people's hearts against entering, or attempting to snatch it. It seems as if this place has been supernaturally protected. It's all in God's time, and in God's way.

CTZonEdit
05-16-2008, 10:06 AM
I agree. God must be protecting that place.

Of the documentaries I have seen the reporters just end up walking away after talking to the guardian. They seem humbled and respectful of their wishes of no entry.

kay-gee
05-16-2008, 10:35 AM
Please forgive me if I sound a touch skeptical. I am not trying to be rude or mocking, but I just have to say that the whole thing sounds like right out of the NATIONAL ENQUIRER! Where is the source of this information? I have actually seen a front page story in this fine publication at the super market dealing with the ark of the covenant. Surprisingly, right about the time Raiders of the Lost Ark was a big movie.
FYI...if the bible is to be taken literally...Only the priests of the tribe of Levi are to be the handlers and gaurdians of this item.

all the best...

CoreIssue
05-16-2008, 02:47 PM
Please forgive me if I sound a touch skeptical. I am not trying to be rude or mocking, but I just have to say that the whole thing sounds like right out of the NATIONAL ENQUIRER! Where is the source of this information? I have actually seen a front page story in this fine publication at the super market dealing with the ark of the covenant. Surprisingly, right about the time Raiders of the Lost Ark was a big movie.
FYI...if the bible is to be taken literally...Only the priests of the tribe of Levi are to be the handlers and gaurdians of this item.

all the best...
There has been a good number of articles, films and such on this location. It is not Enquirer, it is reality.

The whole are would descend on anyone who tried to enter that building, which is actually very ill protected and could be penetrated easily.

But it is a fact no one has tried. That is a fact.

If the Ark is there, it has not moved since being placed there. It is not viewed, visited or anything else. It is stored and guarded.

You cannot dismiss those realities since you are into Replacement Theology and do not read the Bible literally.

It does have a supernatural edge to it. And if the Ark is in fact there then that edge would probably angelic guardians.

Angels and demons are at work in the world. Many things happen that defy secular thinking. This is a reality that does not make an iota of sense in worldly terms.

Makes perfect sense to Pre-Tribbers in a literal reading of the Bible.