Bob Barr

[CoreIssue]

Barr officially enters race for Libertarian Party's nomination

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Saying that none of the other presidential candidates are talking about the most important issues -- including what he sees as the need to "re-shape this country in the image of our Founding Fathers" -- former Republican Rep. Bob Barr of Georgia just officially he is entering the race for the Libertarian Party's presidential nomination.

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I cannot vote for McCain. The Dems are even worse.

Barr was a Congressman from the district adjoining the one in which I live. He lost his last election because he was seen as too conservative.

Because the Republican Party has become so liberal he left the party and became a Libertarian.

I am an independent. The Libertarians, as a party, have some strange positions I do not support. The Republicans and Democrats have become so much alike it is hard to see a difference.

The best candidate I see out there is Bob Barr.

The biggest voting block out in the US are independents. But we have no voice in who even runs for office. We need a third party to rise up to fit that void. The right one would draw in Republican Conservatives, independents and even some Democrats.

Can Barr win? I doubt it but I can hope he gets enough votes to scare the two main parties.

[InTheWind]

It`s a sad time for our country and won`t get better imo. :(
I`m praying for the rapture before election time. :pray:
Heard on the news about a national ID card coming in the near future, maybe a Ameriunion isn`t a conspiracy theory after all.

[CTZonEdit]

Im tired of the 2 party system. The 92 elections should have woken people up, but now we are back to this tiresome 2.

And even if he, or any 3rd party for that matter got the popular vote, what about the electorial votes? Aren't they either Dems or Repubs? Seems we are locked into this 2 party system until some Constitutional revisions are made. Since that will never happen your either a Dem or a Rep or you lose.

[CoreIssue]

Each candidate has a slate of electors picked by their party, whoever that may be. They are effectively elected if the candidate wins that state.

So, you are voting for the President, Vice President and Electoral slate of the President at the same time.

[CTZonEdit]

Ok I wasnt sure how that worked exactly.

Still an uphill battle for any 3rd party to even be considered. The media outlets won't even allow them to join the debates, so what voice do they really have that is as effective against the Dems and Reps?

[Jessie]

I dont think its going to matter the way things are heading.

wish it did.. but I dont see much hope.

[CTZonEdit]

I'd rather cast my vote for someone I can believe in like Core here is doing, instead of having to pick from only two of lesser evils.

Whether that person wins or not. At least I have done my duty to God and country.

[Jessie]

I agree.

[lighthouse]

yes but he will not win and i believe beyond a doubt we will get mr teflon
that is obama

[kay-gee]

If you never believe anything I say on this forum, please believe this: You do not want under any circumstances to have a third party in your system!!!!

The Canadian house has 4 parties. It's a political minefield called vote splitting. If you think our country has gone to pot, that is why.

There needs to be a definative line drawn in the sand, to which people decide where they stand...be it liberal or conservative! Additional ideologies only serve to muddy the waters.

all the best...

[InTheWind]

yes but he will not win and i believe beyond a doubt we will get mr teflon
that is obama


I don`t think he`ll ever get in, someone may assassinate him first and might be why Hillery is staying in the race so long. Now that`s a evil thought huh.

[CoreIssue]

yes but he will not win and i believe beyond a doubt we will get mr teflon
that is obama
McCain is no better than Obama. In fact I believe Obama will be able to do less damage overall than McCain.

McCain is a liberal. He is not a conservative.

Well are going to loose big time with any of the three.

[CoreIssue]

If you never believe anything I say on this forum, please believe this: You do not want under any circumstances to have a third party in your system!!!!

The Canadian house has 4 parties. It's a political minefield called vote splitting. If you think our country has gone to pot, that is why.

There needs to be a definative line drawn in the sand, to which people decide where they stand...be it liberal or conservative! Additional ideologies only serve to muddy the waters.

all the best...
The US has had three major parties in our history. But in ours one fades and falls out of existence. We don't have a tolerance for more than two it seems.

Our first parties were Whigs and Torries.

Right now we have had, for years, Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, Socialist (one in Congress from Vermont), Green and some others. First 3 are the largest.

[InTheWind]

yes but he will not win and i believe beyond a doubt we will get mr teflon
that is obama
McCain is no better than Obama. In fact I believe Obama will be able to do less damage overall than McCain.

McCain is a liberal. He is not a conservative.

Well are going to loose big time with any of the three.

I don`t think McCAIN will try and disarm us like Obama will.

[CoreIssue]

yes but he will not win and i believe beyond a doubt we will get mr teflon
that is obama
McCain is no better than Obama. In fact I believe Obama will be able to do less damage overall than McCain.

McCain is a liberal. He is not a conservative.

Well are going to loose big time with any of the three.

I don`t think McCAIN will try and disarm us like Obama will.
McCain has a C+ rating with the NRA.

But he is no different than either Dem on illegals, exporting jobs overseas, free, not fair, trade and a lot of other issues that are critical.

The only way the Republican Party is going to swing back more conservative, if they ever will, is to be threatened by a more conservative 3rd party.

They have become the Democratic Party of old with the Dems becoming more and more socialist.

We cannot survive with either of these parties. Neither are our friends.

[InTheWind]

I just tell myself if we really are in the days just before the trib things are going to get worse. God knows what He is doing and He will place the leaders where He wants them. Vote for who makes your conscience can live with i guess.

[CoreIssue]

I just tell myself if we really are in the days just before the trib things are going to get worse. God knows what He is doing and He will place the leaders where He wants them. Vote for who makes your conscience can live with i guess.
You are right. We are in the times when viable options are going to cease to exist for us.

This is but one example.

[kay-gee]

Obama and Hillary on the same ticket may work!

all the best...

[InTheWind]

Obama and Hillary on the same ticket may work!

all the best...

I`m betting only if Hillery is prez.

[CoreIssue]

Obama and Hillary on the same ticket may work!

all the best...

I`m betting only if Hillery is prez.
Hilary second fiddle? :eek: Yea right.

[kay-gee]

interesting times to say the least

all the best...

[bedr1]

Actually a third party is the only way to break the chains that the two-party (actually one party) system has on Americans. McCain who voted for Gore and his friend Liberman in 2000 is just exactly like a Democrat and he has consistantly voted with Democrats his whole career.

Although the Libertarian Party has a couple of issues I disagee with, so do the Republican and Democrat Parties. Whats interesting though, is that the Republican party is not really that conservative anymore - the Libertarian Party is much more conservative than the Republicans are now.

As to Bob Barr, he is an excellent candidate in every way and whats really exciting is that he is already polling at 7% percent in the polls nationally. Thats the best that any third party candidate has started out at since Teddy Roosevelt and the BullMoose Party. For example, when Ross Perot ran in 1992 he was only polling at 5% when he joined the race and didn't hit 7% unitl early September and then finally 20% and probably would have won if he didn't quit. Barr is polling now, where Perot was polling in September - if he keeps getting traction we may have a real candidate on our hands that is a true conservative.

[InTheWind]

Welcome to CTZ :tiphat: wouldn`t it be nice if someone got in that cared for the country .:nod:

[bedr1]

Yes it would be nice, we need to forget who the media tells us we need to vote for and just vote for someone that would be good for our country.

I like Bob Barr

[CoreIssue]

Hi bedr1! And agree.

He was the House member from the district next to the one I live in. He is a bulldog.

[kay-gee]

Yeah, America needs another bulldog!

Actually a 3rd party would be a catastrophe. It will lead to a 4th, a 5th and so on, and soon nothing will get done. And the smallest parties will hold the balance of power in creating bills. You don't want to go there.


all the best...

[CoreIssue]

Yeah, America needs another bulldog!

Actually a 3rd party would be a catastrophe. It will lead to a 4th, a 5th and so on, and soon nothing will get done. And the smallest parties will hold the balance of power in creating bills. You don't want to go there.


all the best...
KG, we already have those other parties but they are so small they don't matter. We have Dems, Rep. and a Socialist in Congress that I can think of off the bat.

When we say 3rd we mean one big enough to have an impact that matters.

Last bulldog was Reagan.

And no, they do not divvy up the power. What happens is one of the 3 disappear, usually one of the old top 2. Has already happened in our history more than once.

[bedr1]

Voting for a third party cannot be any worse than what we already have. But I am not even going to call them third parties anymore - that was thought up by the Republicans and Democrats to make them sound small. I am going to call them Alternative Parties because that all we have left.

Anyway, I cannot in good conscience for for John McCain because he is no different that the Democrats - he even voted for Gore in 2000 and his top advisors of his campaign are actually Democrats. Thats Absurd!! Obviously I am not going to vote for Obama either. So who do we have left - Bob Barr, Chuck Baldwin and Nader - well Nader is honest, but he is a socialist, Pastor Chuck Baldwin is GREAT, but he has no name recognition and I am not sure if the Constitution Party can get on all 50 state ballots. Then you have Bob Barr, former congressman that was and still is very very popular with Conservatives and already polling high being in the race only for 2 weeks. Also the Libertarian Party has really become conservative on most of thier issue, much more so than the Republicans. As Pat Buchanan once said, I didn't leave the Republican Party, the Republican Party left me - I agree. What happened to the Republicans after Reagan's term was over? While I won't go out and join the Libertarian Party, I do think Bob Barr is worthy of my vote and he is 1000 times better than McCain and Obama, and actually would be proud to vote for the guy.

One more problem, lets say McCain does win the Presidency. First, it won't be any different than if Obama was in - maybe McCain would be slightly better on taxes - so if Obama raised taxes 15%, McCain would raise them 5% - still we get higher taxes. But here is the real kicker, it could be possible that we would have to have McCain another term because no Republican would run against a sitting Republican President, and that means McCain would not have to worry about pleasing any conservatives in his second term and that would be a disaster. Not only that, the conservatives in the party would get thrown out, they already are and McCain is not even President yet. No a McCain Presidency would destroy the conservative movement. I would much rather place my vote with a true conservative like Bob Barr.

[kay-gee]

I believe that conservatism is going the way of the wild west and the dodo bird. People change. The generations change, entire populations change. With the false prophet known as Hollywood, continuing to mock and ridicule trad values and all things conservative, people eventually succumb to a new way of thnking. They already have. Dangle the bait long enough and the fish bites!
The present generation in North America is living in a technological Disney world as far as I am concerned. Keep them cozy and warm and entertained and they are happy. Thay are tuned in, turned on, ...and oblivious.
It became obvious to me, when I saw Bill with the shades and the saxophone that night on TV, people dont want a president who is a creative administrator. They want a president who is "cool". We want an easy life and we want it now. We want peace not war. We want ease not difficulty! These are the things the Dems are offering (however falsely). Like a candy bar at the check-out line. Looks good...I want it!
The people are as much to blame as the politicians! (in all democracies)

all the best...

[InTheWind]

There ya go Kay-Gee now your talking, i agree and also this next generation of sissys are afraid they might get called to duty to a=ctually do something for their country besides complain about everything. You pretty much summed it up, the next generation will push the country over the edge into the sewer.

[CoreIssue]

Agree! We have become much like the Roman Empire. They turned everything over to foreigners and tried to sit back and just enjoy. Threw away their moral base and didn't want any restrictions.

Historical studies show all societies that go into embracing abortion, homosexuality, amoral thinking, easy divorce, bedding around and the rest is a dying society. This indeed fits all of Western Culture. We have become Babylon, all of us.

Indeed Europe is farther down that slope. But we are in no position to brag about being better.

[Jessie]

There ya go Kay-Gee now your talking, i agree and also this next generation of sissys are afraid they might get called to duty to a=ctually do something for their country besides complain about everything. You pretty much summed it up, the next generation will push the country over the edge into the sewer.

even one of my sons said that just a couple weeks ago.
differently but the same

[Jessie]

absolutly!

and now hollywoods horrid lifestyle and influence is biting them in the backside.
do they "get" it? nope.

too many enemys and one has to vigilant. but of course no one wants to do that...
just had them a candy bar and pacify them. (good way to put it)!

would'nt the arabs be considered assyrians?
if so, they did'nt even have to fight. the countrys are being handed over on a silver platter to them.

[InTheWind]

I`ve been thinking about all this, these gas prices and everything else can`t go on long before the country falls apart. I`m thinking someones plan is to break us, disarm us then control us. And what a better man to have in office when the AC is in power than Obama :(

[CoreIssue]

Of the 3 he most suits the entry of the AC. Sharp thinking, ITW.

[InTheWind]

There`s something wrong with this picture, i really think we are getting close to the rapture. There`s just to many things that fit and don`t make sense. It seems like this government or who ever is running this world wants the US to fail and that would be the case for the AC coming. Everything is weird the brush here is just now starting to leaf out, way behind schedual. And the way we are suffering and feeling bad because of the way people are acting. I think we are there, I think the Lord is walking through the door and is going to snach us up. Oh which reminds me, do you know why it`s taking the Lord so long to get here?

He had to give up His Gold Wing and ride a scooter because the gas prices are so high. :aah:

[CoreIssue]

I think what you are missing is that the things that are happening are not any shadow government forcing anything on people. These things are exactly what the people want because the want total freedom from morality and responsibility.

[InTheWind]

I don`t know how you can prove that and i`m not saying there is but i won`t rule it out either.
Also why would you not think there aren`t those in government that are hiding the truth.

[InTheWind]

Stumped ya eh. :D

[CoreIssue]

:cheesy: Well, I worked in a field in the past that kinda kept an eye on what was going on in the world. No shadow government.

But for sure governments hide things. Absolutely. Just often now what you think they are.

As for people wanting this nonsense, just look around. They want the government to make it all right but when someone stands for anything they don't want them. Unless they are extremists.

The world is plain and simply screwed up.

[InTheWind]

I don`t agree, i think there is a plan to turn this country into a controlled society. Time will tell and i would consider the rule of the AC as kinda strange.

[CoreIssue]

I don`t agree, i think there is a plan to turn this country into a controlled society. Time will tell and i would consider the rule of the AC as kinda strange.
Now that I agree with. But that kind of plan is different from the old myth of a shadow government.

Marx, Stalin, Lenin, Mao and others all have had such dreams.