Anyone know why...

[CTZonEdit]

As humans (or maybe just us Americans) we tolerate and would rather watch a 3 hour movie where people are tortured, raped, murdered and all sorts of graphic violent disturbing behaviors take place. Yet if a woman accidentally (or intentionally if you so believe) exposes her breasts on TV people are beating down the FCC doors, and picketing, rioting and all up in arms.

If I had to make a choice, I would much rather my child see a woman's "boobie" than someone being decapitated or eaten by zombies.

I've never understood why graphic violence is much more acceptible than graphic sex. Not that I am endorsing viewing of either as Christians. There needs to be discretion taken when deciding what to view and allow into our minds as believers.

But as a society I don't get it.

Is it because the violence is "fake" and the nude body is real?

[CoreIssue]

Could be. An excuse for morality? A way to say satisfying the flesh is okay as long as it is labeled fiction? :scratch:

[a.baker]

I would also say could be but I personally think those violence and gore movies are sick. I don't watch them and never have. Yeah I don't get how people can be entertained by that real or not. And with sex stuff it's being directed at way too young of an age and becoming more acceptable and I have never liked watching that either. With teens and gore for some reason parents allow their children watch these movies. Thats what they are is children being fed sickness. I hardly ever watch rated R movies for it usually containing both sex and violence. No thank x ; I don't care how good of a movie people say it is.

[InTheWind]

Most things are beautiful untill man gets hold of it. :(

[Jessie]

right ITW... so true

[seraphim79]

huh. that's a good point. Children should not be watching either, imo. It is the parents responsability to monitor what the kids watch. But as long as people keep buying it they will keep making it. But maybe b/c graphic violence is easier to talk about than graphic sex, sex is so intimate that even in the movies it can make you very uncomfortable to talk about or watch, while violence is easier to talk about for both men and women? I can't stand violence and will close my eyes and ears during movies if it gets to violent (I know it seems childish, but I really don't want those images rolling around in my head)

[CTZonEdit]

Seems very hypocritical for a society to want the ideal of peace, and yet embrace such violence in films and TV. The argument that its all "fake" under the guise of "entertainment" is nonsense.

There is something wrong with someone morally who will actually pay to watch a film containing such violent acts. I'm not talking about the popular action films here. I am talking about modern R-rated Horror films such as Hostel and its ilk.

[Chrystalwuzhere]

I knew things were messed up when I heard some Christians say that they believe it is okay to pose in the nude so long as it is "art." :faint:

Seriously... they said that. Not just one or two Christians, but many. I can't help but wonder....if you strip naked and walk down the street, or position yourself in a public arena, that's a sin. But, if you pose publicly and someone draws your picture, it's not sinful because it's art.

They also said that nudity and sexual acts on film or in movies is not sin because they're just acting. It's not real, so it's okay. :(

So, my question to them was, "Would you encourage your daughter to do it? And, do you think you can be a good witness for God while doing it? Can you show that film in church, or re-enact those scenes from the pulpit and ask God's blessing on it?"

That's when you see the hypocrisy explode.

[kay-gee]

The funny part is that it is Okay to expose someone to two hours of people machine gunning each other to death, but taboo to show someone smoking a cigarette! We really have to get a life.

all the best...

[a.baker]

I said this once in a class at church; "If you have to hide it in front of your kids than it's probably not good." Given when we watch some stuff on the news we may not want our 4 year old child around listening or seeing what the news is talking about, but I think we all know what I'm trying to get at here. Shoot, commercials can be pretty bad too. Oh and that radio morning talk you hear on some radio stations can get pretty awful.

[CTZonEdit]

I knew things were messed up when I heard some Christians say that they believe it is okay to pose in the nude so long as it is "art." :faint:

But is the act of just looking at a nude body sinning? Can't you look at a piece of art depicting a nude form and not lust over it? The lust is what gets you.

Seriously... they said that. Not just one or two Christians, but many. I can't help but wonder....if you strip naked and walk down the street, or position yourself in a public arena, that's a sin. But, if you pose publicly and someone draws your picture, it's not sinful because it's art.

I believe lust is the sin, not the nudity. I suppose God would fault you for causing others to sin/lust over you by your posing nude in public.

They also said that nudity and sexual acts on film or in movies is not sin because they're just acting. It's not real, so it's okay. :(

Doesnt matter. If you were looking at it and were aroused or lusted you sinned. The filmed participitants were sinning because they allowed others "in their marriage bed" virtually. Its not ok. Real or fake or acted the intent is to stir arousal or portray arousal directly which leads to sin.

Yet with a classical piece of art the intent was to show the form of the body and not necessarily to arouse.

With all that said Christ said if you lust in your mind you have sinned against that person. If "classical" art is causing you to lust then you need to look away. The issue is the lusting part, lots of things (not just nude bodies) can cause a person to lust and if it does they need to take measures to control those actions.

[Chrystalwuzhere]

But what about the person doing the posing?


Could I do it with a clear conscience? No way.

[CTZonEdit]

Good question. I can think of two answers...

Women are told to dress modestly. If this was something you were doing in public then I would say it potentially can lead people astray based on that.

If it was something you did privately for your spouse then that may be different.

[kay-gee]

Where does it stop? My wife gets on my case for walking around the place in only my underware!

all the best...

[CTZonEdit]

As long as its kept between you two then ... thats between you two.

But please close the blinds...

[a.baker]

You know we see this lust destroying so many marriages and God says divorcing because of unfaithfulness is o.k. This lust is killing people, hurting our children, destroying family morals and these men are sending the wrong message to young boys about women and women are accepting the idea. I would say to what I see is that this lust is the culprit of the problem for marriage becoming an old fashioned idea in our society.

No one believes me when I talk of my wonderful husband and our marriage. Boy do I have to defend and than they go on to say "Well how do you know what hes doing when hes out". This just bothers me! People don't get marriage any more and how two become one and can fully trust each other and be satisfied and not have to look other places to fulfill their fleshy desires.

This lust goes in so many directions in our society. I agree the naked body within itself is not a sin but lust is.

[CTZonEdit]

When people dont understand the sanctity of marriage or what God intended it to be then we have what we have today.

Its no longer a covenant between a couple and God. Its just a contract between two people.

Its is ok for us to have a lust for God, as well as a lust for our spouse. Its when people start lusting outside the bonds of marriage or in other unhealthy ways that things get ugly.

[Jessie]

people just dont care anymore.
and dont care who gets hurt in the process.

they dont even have a contract between each other.
and things have gotten ugly.

its sad.... there is no stabity for them, others, and so goes the nation.