Death - where did it come from?

['67Scofield]

Death is the result of knowing 'good' and 'evil' without the capacity to choose 'good' every time.

I know that God said this.


Why did he say it?


What's the reasoning behind it?

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Death is the result of knowing 'good' and 'evil' without the capacity to choose 'good' every time.

I know that God said this.


Why did he say it?


What's the reasoning behind it?
Because death has two meanings Biblically. One is physical death and the other is separation from God.

God is life, light, joy and all the good things. Not God is dead, darkness, woe and all the bad things.

Those who knowingly staying in their sin are apart from God. They are 'dead.' Those who turn to God enter his light and live, even when struggling.

Figuratively those who live walk in the sun light, talk, love, share and so on. The dead are in the cold, dark grave with no one to love, talk to share with and cannot walk.

['67Scofield]

Death is the result of knowing 'good' and 'evil' without the capacity to choose 'good' every time.

I know that God said this.


Why did he say it?


What's the reasoning behind it?
Because death has two meanings Biblically. One is physical death and the other is separation from God.

God is life, light, joy and all the good things. Not God is dead, darkness, woe and all the bad things.

Those who knowingly staying in their sin are apart from God. They are 'dead.' Those who turn to God enter his light and live, even when struggling.

Figuratively those who live walk in the sun light, talk, love, share and so on. The dead are in the cold, dark grave with no one to love, talk to share with and cannot walk.


I want to start with physical death.
1 Cor. 15:21 says, "...by man came death..."
So can we assume before man there was no such thing as death?

Or was death "waiting in the wings" and man was the vehicle that made it a physical reality?

Do you think the physical universe is dying? Is all of creation under this curse because of man? I would think that only that part of creation which was placed under man's authority would be placed in jeopardy. If so, what parts of creation were placed under his authority?

jeop.ard.y - the situation of a person on trial

and boy am I in another forum.
I got 'um lookin'!:nod:

Would you like to see parts of the discussion?

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I want to start with physical death.
1 Cor. 15:21 says, "...by man came death..."
So can we assume before man there was no such thing as death?
Adam and Eve were first. They had not died so no human had ever died.

Now, for physical death, that is a debatable issue depending on how you view creation order of who, what and when.

But death comes from sin. No sin, no death. There was no sin until the fruit.
Or was death "waiting in the wings" and man was the vehicle that made it a physical reality?
Not sure about the question, but obviously spirits, as in angels, do not suffer anything comparable to physical death.
Do you think the physical universe is dying?
Yes.
Is all of creation under this curse because of man?
All of physical creation, yes, but not just because of man. Angels had dominions at the beginning and when they sin they brought it into their dominions.
I would think that only that part of creation which was placed under man's authority would be placed in jeopardy. If so, what parts of creation were placed under his authority?
The earth. But there were other dominions under angels, in example.

jeop.ard.y - the situation of a person on trial

and boy am I in another forum.
I got 'um lookin'!:nod:

Would you like to see parts of the discussion?
Give a link and we can look.

['67Scofield]

Give a link and we can look.

The forum was formed over a rock band. One that I grew up listening to.

Thier message is, for the most part, (who am I kidding, totally) humanistic.
There are many believers there nonetheless. But the common bond is the band.


Calling in visible reinforcements who are not fans of the band would destory my credibility. It has taken great effort to establish my character, objectivity, and love (even to those who oppose me).

What are the ramifications of providing a link? I am somewhat naive in the ways of the internet.

edit - thanks for your thoughts; they r very helpful.

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Give a link and we can look.The forum was formed over a rock band. One that I grew up listening to.

Thier message is, for the most part, (who am I kidding, totally) humanistic.
There are many believers there nonetheless. But the common bond is the band.


Calling in visible reinforcements who are not fans of the band would destory my credibility. It has taken great effort to establish my character, objectivity, and love (even to those who oppose me).

What are the ramifications of providing a link? I am somewhat naive in the ways of the internet.

edit - thanks for your thoughts; they r very helpful.
As long as the site does not require login to see a link allows us to see. Lurk. If no login or such no harm.

If you fear someone will do otherwise pick someone, if any, you trust here and PM them only the link. Then they can look with saying anything.

Gets really complicated to try to copy and past not to mention it could give it away if the search engine picked it up and someone saw it on a search.

Your pick or don't do anything. ;) We understand.

['67Scofield]

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http://christiantalkzone.net/forum/images/icons/icon1.gif Re: 'scofield
Hi,I'm new here, how's it going?"Buddhism has the characteristics of what would be expected in a cosmic religion for the future: it transcends a personal God, avoids dogmas and theology; it covers both the natural & spiritual, and it is based on a religious sense aspiring from the experience of all things as a meaningful unity" - Albert Einstein---

I would rather not be 'united' with evil. - thanks anyway Einstein. (I'm so funny.)

Sorry Steph, u didn't last long.

Was Stephanie banned for spamming or her beliefs?

Anyway, it actually hits on something i'm trying to figur' out here.


Can we describe death as order or disorder?
What does cell degeneration add to this discussion?


Try to refine this statement :
Death is the response to rebellion.

Or is it the consequece of rebellion?

Or is that the same thing?

What is the correlation between death and rebellion?


And also... If Life is order; and Death is disorder doesn't that imply a balance?

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[QUOTE]http://christiantalkzone.net/forum/images/icons/icon1.gif Re: 'scofield
Hi,I'm new here, how's it going?"Buddhism has the characteristics of what would be expected in a cosmic religion for the future: it transcends a personal God, avoids dogmas and theology; it covers both the natural & spiritual, and it is based on a religious sense aspiring from the experience of all things as a meaningful unity" - Albert Einstein---

I would rather not be 'united' with evil. - thanks anyway Einstein. (I'm so funny.)

Sorry Steph, u didn't last long.

Was Stephanie banned for spamming or her beliefs?
Yep. In PMs.

Anyway, it actually hits on something i'm trying to figur' out here.

Can we describe death as order or disorder?
What does cell degeneration add to this discussion?
Disorder.

Sin is corruption. Cell degeneration is a result of corruption.
Try to refine this statement :
Death is the response to rebellion.

Or is it the consequece of rebellion?

Or is that the same thing?

What is the correlation between death and rebellion?
The consequence. To respond is to answer something else. Consequence is the result thereof.
And also... If Life is order; and Death is disorder doesn't that imply a balance?
Physical life on this earth is disorder, not order.

Eternal life is order, not disorder.

Physical death is the end of physical life. Spiritual death is never having obtained spiritual life.

No, not balance, but justice and mercy. A lot of combinations of physical life, physical death, physical eternal sinful flesh, eternal glorified flesh, Eternal spiritual life, spiritual death on earth, eternal spiritual death and rapture, not physical death we move from to.

The occult, mystic, etc concept of balance is not how God works. His is justice and mercy according to individual choice.

['67Scofield]

Physical life on this earth is disorder, not order.

Ooooo. That's a Very good observation.


You keep um coming babe.
If you are married i won't call u babe anymore.

And i'll keep knockin' on heaven's door. (get it... the song?)


His is justice and mercy according to individual choice.
should that say 'He is...'

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Physical life on this earth is disorder, not order.Ooooo. That's a Very good observation.


You keep um coming babe.
If you are married i won't call u babe anymore.

And i'll keep knockin' on heaven's door. (get it... the song?)Married over 35 years but too old for it to be a problem.:D


His is justice and mercy according to individual choice.should that say 'He is...'[/quote]
Then it would be he is just and merciful.