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pockets
03-02-2008, 09:02 AM
Dear friends, I pray what I am feeling is righteous indignation and not pure, unadulterated anger.

I read the news on the Internet, watch it on TV, and read newspapers. To begin with that is probably my greatest failing. It's also the root of my distress.

In an article running in today's Yahoo! News entitled "Israel strikes kill 54 in Gaza". If you would like to read the article in full, it is that the following address:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080301/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080301/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians)

The title of this article leads you quickly to assume that horrible old Israel has once again attacked the poor innocent Palestinian people in an effort to wipe them from the face of the earth. Reading the article itself does little to change that assumption. That is, until you read some of the smaller paragraphs and ‘unspoken innuendo’ between some of the lines.

Palestinian militants are standing inside Gaza on the border and firing rockets into Israel in almost daily attacks. When Israel retaliates against these attacks the Israelis are a band called the aggressors, killers of children, savages, and any number of other derogatory names.

Below are two paragraphs quoted directly from the article:

The violence took a heavy toll on Gaza civilians. Moderate Palestinian leaders called the killings a "genocide" and threatened to call off peace talks.
"The response to these rockets can't be that harsh and heinous," said Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas. "It is nowadays described as a holocaust."

Understandably the Israeli retaliation took a heavy toll on the Palestinian people. It's difficult to fight your attackers when they fade away among innocent civilians. And, from the response from these ' innocent civilians' their continued support of the Hamas militants makes their claim to innocence very tenuous.

The second paragraph would make me laugh if the overall situation were not so sad. How dare the Palestinian president claim the Israeli response to Hamas firing rockets at them was ‘harsh and heinous’? This is the same as saying we can hit you, but it's no fair if you hit us back. He even goes so far as to call the Israeli retaliation a ‘holocaust’.

I know the Bible spells out clearly that in the last days all nations will come against Israel. We see the Bible prophecies being fulfilled every day. I know this has to happen and I know the world will only get worse and worse until the Rapture takes place and the Antichrist is unleashed. These things must happen in order for God's plan to be fulfilled through the Tribulation and the glorious return of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Even though I know these things, to hear the lies so blatantly spewed out toward God's chosen people fire feelings in me that are really hard to direct.

God smote the enemies of the Israelites when they entered the land of Canaan. He gave them victory over all their enemies and gave them the land that was promised to them through the covenant with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. He promised to let them stay in this land as long as they obeyed His commandments. The Bible tells us that they have fallen away from God and have been driven from the land in the past. They have always returned to God and He has restored them to their land. In 1948, 2000 years after Jerusalem was destroyed and the Jews were dispersed throughout the known world, they have again been restored to their land as God promised. According to the words of the Bible after this restoration they will never be driven from it again.

The article I quoted is of course only one of hundreds that are flooding the news channels and video waves today. I made no mention of Iran and its maniacal decree that Israel will be wiped off the face of the earth. Nothing was said about Hezbollah and their repeated attempts to destroy Israel from the north. Nothing was said about the lack of support from other major countries who were part of the United Nations which made the ‘material’ decision to allow the Jews to have their nation back.

My deepest thanks to each and every one of you and putting up with my rant. I look forward to your replies and comments.

Should I take the words of my Lord Christ Jesus where I am instructed to love my enemies and to turn the other cheek when I am struck? Or, do I consecrate all of my abilities and resources toward fighting the enemies of my God? And I am referring to not only the menace facing the children of Israel, but the enemies of God's Word. False politicians, false prophets, homosexuals, false doctrines, etc..

I will shut up now and go take a cold shower while I wait for your deeply coveted replies.

God bless you and yours.

Pockets :aah:

tangle sticks
03-22-2008, 07:50 PM
both are unbelieving nations .God only hears prayers of those who trust in Jesus.
in that way and only that way does unbelieving israel (perhaps)have a edge simply because they may have more Christians praying for them than
the other side.But then again does God realy care about majority christian council. Or does he already have every thing all planed out.
I think and believe very strongly God already has every thing well planned out . And it not to the favor of any unbelievers no matter their race .
but to believers favor.

CoreIssue
03-22-2008, 08:09 PM
The Bible is crystal clear these events would occur. It says Israel would be restored as a nation and eventually as the chosen covenant body for the MK. Today they are a nation and soon will be the covenant nation, but not returned to God fully until the Second Coming.

The Palestinians refuse to stop attacking Israel and work for peace. They use civilians as human shields by deliberately placing assets where to take them out also kills civilians.

Israel has no choice and the Palestinian people refuse to see their leaders are setting them up to be killed.
God only hears prayers of those who trust in Jesus.
God hears all prayers but only answers those he chooses to answer.

Judaism and Islam have other gods. So they are not praying to God. God hears them all, but knows they are not asking him.

tangle sticks
03-23-2008, 07:42 PM
No
in fact there will not be peace on this ever.

Jesus tells us their will be wars and rumors of wars .
but the "end" of this world is not be untill the signs in the sky he tells us about happen.

When Jesus comes the second time . It will be to late for any one who does not have faith in Him.
There is not going to be any mass conversions that you predict in Fact Jesus says the love of most for him will grow cold.before he comes again on that wonderful or terriable day christians call calls judgement day.

What is so dispicable about your theology is the false hope you spread around.

When today is the time to repent and turn to Jesus for forgivness Not some thousand year period later on that is never going to be.

CoreIssue
03-23-2008, 07:52 PM
No
in fact there will not be peace on this ever.

Jesus tells us their will be wars and rumors of wars .
but the "end" of this world is not be untill the signs in the sky he tells us about happen.

When Jesus comes the second time. It will be to late for any one who does not have faith in Him.
There is not going to be any mass conversions that you predict in Fact Jesus says the love of most for him will grow cold.before he comes again on that wonderful or terriable day christians call calls judgement day.

What is so dispicable about your theology is the false hope you spread around.

When today is the time to repent and turn to Jesus for forgivness Not some thousand year period later on that is never going to be.
Discuss Pre-Trib versus Amil all you want in the End Times forums. But do not get insulting.

I find Amil totally non-literal and undefendable in the Bible. But I am not calling you or your theology despicable.

False hope? Prove it. Let us talk Bible. But just throwing out accusations will not be tolerated.

Please discuss this in the proper forum, which this forum is not. You are fully welcome to do so there. But preaching and promotions without proof are not what this site is about.