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a.baker
01-10-2008, 10:32 AM
Matthew 26:39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."
What exactly is He praying and what does He mean with "this cup" ?
CoreIssue
01-10-2008, 03:02 PM
Matthew 26:39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."
What exactly is He praying and what does He mean with "this cup" ?
His coming death. The cup is his dying for our sin.
He was human and understood what was coming.
a.baker
01-10-2008, 03:49 PM
Thank x :D
Willy
01-11-2008, 04:16 AM
A short time later He dealt with it. Peter had drawn a sword and removed the right ear of Malchus, a slave of the High Priest.
Jhn 18:11 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/tools/printer-friendly.pl?book=Jhn&chapter=18&translation=nas&x=4&y=10#) So Jesus said to Peter, "Put the sword into the sheath; the cup which the Father has given Me, shall I not drink it?"
CoreIssue
01-11-2008, 10:18 AM
A short time later He dealt with it. Peter had drawn a sword and removed the right ear of Malchus, a slave of the High Priest.
Jhn 18:11 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/tools/printer-friendly.pl?book=Jhn&chapter=18&translation=nas&x=4&y=10#) So Jesus said to Peter, "Put the sword into the sheath; the cup which the Father has given Me, shall I not drink it?"
Yep. Human discomfort did not override obedience. A lesson for all of us.
Willy
06-24-2008, 02:08 AM
Matthew 26:39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."
What exactly is He praying and what does He mean with "this cup" ?
So much was going on in Gethsemane. Here is a link to Spurgeon's sermon on this subject. I do not agree with all his points but I do believe he gives us a glimpse of probabilities associated with the great spiritual battle taking place here. I debated whether to post this but I believe all here have discernment in this area.
http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/0493.htm
CoreIssue
06-24-2008, 12:16 PM
I agree he sees a true conflict, but I don't agree temptations of Satan was the drive and souce of the true conflict.
Christ lived as a man, not God. So he approached the cross as a man. What man would want to knowingly go to such a death?
I think this boiled down to a struggle between love of God and fellow man versus love of self. The very conflict that brought Satan down before Adam when Satan surrendered to self desire and ego.
I have never seen the question of asking if possible to let the cup pass as letting Christ off the hook and leave Man on its own. To phrase it another way, I think the question was if there was another way to accomplish this purpose, let it be done that way and let me not suffer this death. But if no other option I will die.
Nothing wrong with dreading this death to me. But as is also said in the Bible that there is no greater love than one willing to die for another.
InTheWind
06-24-2008, 01:16 PM
And to conclude that thought, isn`t that why He said on the cross that it`s finished.
Actually He said Father why have you forsaken me also, explain what He meant there I forgot.
CoreIssue
06-24-2008, 01:33 PM
And to conclude that thought, isn`t that why He said on the cross that it`s finished.
Actually He said Father why have you forsaken me also, explain what He meant there I forgot.
Because at that point all the sins of the saints were upon him and the Father turned away from the sin upon. The sin of other temporarily separated him from God, which is what sin does.
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