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John Beckett
10-22-2007, 09:13 PM
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Evangelical leaders are urging followers to support Mitt Romney’s campaign for president to prevent Rudy Giuliani from gaining the Republican nomination.
One evangelical, pro-life activist and attorney James Bopp Jr., last week sent a letter to hundreds of social conservatives warning that they must unite behind Romney or risk a Giuliani victory.
“While several of the other candidates are certainly fine social conservatives, none has established his viability as a serious presidential contender – only Mitt Romney has the resources to compete with Rudy Giuliani for the nomination,” Bopp wrote.
“Other evangelical leaders have weighed in on the acceptability of the leading Republican candidates. [Focus on the Family founder] Dr. James Dobson, America’s most influential evangelical leader, has expressed his opinion that Rudy Giuliani, John McCain, and Fred Thompson are not acceptable, based on their positions on various important conservative issues.”
Bopp points out that Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council and Dr. Richard Land of the Southern Baptist Convention have also declared that Romney is an acceptable presidential choice for social conservatives.
“So it does come down to two things,” Bopp concludes in his letter, which was excerpted in The Atlantic.
“One, the viability of the candidate, which only Mitt Romney has demonstrated among the socially conservative candidates, and two, whether social conservatives will have the courage to rally around the only viable conservative alternative to Rudy Giuliani. A divided field means that Giuliani is likely to win the nomination.”
Influential evangelical public relations executive Mark DeMoss has expressed similar views regarding Romney and Giuliani.
In a letter to some 150 top conservative Christian leaders, DeMoss – whose clients include Rev. Franklin Graham – asked the leaders to “galvanize support around Mitt Romney, so Mr. Giuliani isn’t the unintended beneficiary of our divided support among several candidates.”
He said Giuliani “clearly does not share our values on so many issues.”
Dr. Bob Jones III, chancellor and former president of Bob Jones University in Greenville, S.C., has also come out in support of Romney.
“I just believe that this man has the credentials both personally and ideologically in terms of his view about what American government should be to best represent the rank and file of conservative Americans,” he said in a statement reported by the Greenville News.
“If it turns out to be Giuliani and Hillary, we’ve got two pro-choice candidates, and that would be a disaster.”
Romney, Jones added, “has, as far as I can tell, no scandal connected with his life. I can’t say that about all of the candidates, unfortunately.”
Commenting on the importance of Jones’ endorsement, Dr. Albert Mohler, president of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, said in an interview:
“This is like a lighthouse going on, the light shining its beam on Mitt Romney. Not only that, but the argument made by Bob Jones III basically means that not only is he supporting Mitt Romney, he’s basically saying he is the only option so far as he sees it on the Republican side.”
Evangelicals supporting Romney are evidently not troubled by his Mormon faith. DeMoss, for one, stated: “I am more concerned that a candidate shares my values than he shares my theology.”

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John Beckett
10-22-2007, 09:20 PM
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the last paragraph in that news item kinda
worries me ...

Evangelicals supporting Romney are evidently not troubled
by his Mormon faith. DeMoss, for one, stated: “I am more
concerned that a candidate shares my values than he shares my theology.”

Hmmmmmmmm! :scratch:

kay-gee
10-22-2007, 10:11 PM
Why don't they save their time and money. Hillary rules! lol

all the best...

Jessie
10-22-2007, 10:14 PM
why did you say that?

kay-gee
10-23-2007, 09:33 AM
Cause I can already see the headlines.....Welcome Madame president!!!

and first gentleman...........Bill lol

all the best...

tangle sticks
03-22-2008, 08:21 PM
the lutheran church thinks we should be voting for a "president" not a "pastor".

i remember a ruckuss in the midwest where some one objected to a confessional lutheran person running because of the lutheran confessions identifying the pope as the Anti Christ..

that lutheran person won because most both catholics and lutherans in that community understood the seperation must be maintained between church and state.
and that person was more qualified for the job.

now romney does not appear to be out to murder unborn babies, but the other fellow seems to support that indeavor if one wants to.

CoreIssue
03-23-2008, 02:33 PM
Well, I don't think the Pope is the seat of the AC, but the False Prophet.

That aside we are electing a President, not a Preacher, but beliefs do matter.

tangle sticks
03-23-2008, 08:56 PM
beliefs do matter. yes they do . and our lutheran beliefs on this are .
That any one can run for president even some one of your faith .we Could vote for as long as you through legislation don't try to shove your beliefs down our throat s or any one elses. And that also goes for Lutherans that run as well.

Confessional lutherans came to this country from germany because here was freedom of religion . WHILE In Germany confessional Lutherans were forced to worship with reformed
protestants the calvanist's . Some of our pastors were shot dead on the spot because they refused to let the reformed pastors Give lutheran people communion because of the differences in belief's. Other were shot dead when they refused any participation at all in the shot gun style wedding by the german government in combining the different confessions of lutherans and the calvanist's.

CoreIssue
03-23-2008, 09:10 PM
beliefs do matter. yes they do . and our lutheran beliefs on this are .
That any one can run for president even some one of your faith .we Could vote for as long as you through legislation don't try to shove your beliefs down our throat s or any one elses.
I agree.

Do you agree some faiths by definition cannot help but try to do so? Such as Islam that sees no distinction between government and their religion?

Now it is interesting you said some of my faith? Meaning what? Faith equals denomination or our God or Christ are different than yours?

tangle sticks
03-23-2008, 09:32 PM
Evangelicals supporting Romney are evidently not troubled
by his Mormon faith. DeMoss, for one, stated: “I am more
concerned that a candidate shares my values than he shares my theology.”

yes the above comment should not have made the news .

Because there is so many varied beliefs seperating evangelical
no one has a right to speak for all of us.

the person who stated the above was not a confessional Lutheran pastor.

They preach the word and stay out of politicks .
or we will report them to our circuit pastor and if they continue we will have them fired and released from membership or xcommunicated if it requires it..

It is agaist the lutheran confessions for our pastors to mingle in the affairs of the state period. And politicks is one of the affairs of the state.

They also can not be "paid for" by the government .
or other wise said they can't be chaplains for the state.

Our lutheran pastors shall at all times preach God word with out compromise even our chaplains to the military are civilian chaplains
not paid by Government so they can preach Gods word with out compromise.

CoreIssue
03-23-2008, 09:42 PM
Yep. Denominationalism versus Biblical purity. A violation of the command by Paul to have no divisions.

You didn't answer what you meant by my faith used in a context that implies your faith is different.

See where I am going? Instead of discussing the Bible we are discussing denominational creeds.

Either we are both of the Body of Christ with theological differences we can discuss or we are not both Christians. Which is it?

tangle sticks
03-23-2008, 09:52 PM
Well, I don't think the Pope is the seat of the AC, but the False Prophet.

That aside we are electing a President, not a Preacher, but beliefs do matter.



While a confessional lutheran may struggle with the teaching the pope is the very Anti Christ the bible talks about. He or she can not disagree with even this teaching. and remain a member of a confessional lutheran church.The struggle with this teaching may be life long .But they may not close their mind to it and remain a confessional lutheran. If they absolutly think we are wrong in this teaching after all teaching about it has been exausted . They will be released from their oath and membership.
no longer one with us. They would be still welcome to attend our worship service and bible classes but could no longer commune with us or have any part in our church's that members do. including having the collection plate passed to them .singing in the choir. being a sponcer for a baptism etc etc etc.
most often when our wels members invite Guest's they request that their is no need for their guest to participate in the offering . Untill they know what were about.


I guess the part on the money goes like this confessional Lutherans think and believe God wants a cheerful giver not one who thinks it is just the right thing to do a obligation. .Now if some one who no longer is a member but still wants to give
they must request that their offering be taken.


as far as Guests go . why many of our wels members request a guest not give .

It would not be right for a guest to support beliefs he or she knows nothing about or perhaps even would disagree with ,would it?

CoreIssue
03-23-2008, 09:57 PM
OK. I am leaving this up the moderators. You seem obsessed with being some kind of Lutheran and not just a Biblical Christian.

kay-gee
03-24-2008, 12:17 AM
but Bush was supposedly anti-abortion. He has been president for 8 years and what has been done about abortion? Zippity doo da... that is what! So in the end...what do beliefs matter? They have no political will to do most of the things they promise, but they know they have to create positions in order to foster strong support among particular interest groups, not the least of which is the Christian right.

all the best...

CoreIssue
03-24-2008, 12:38 PM
but Bush was supposedly anti-abortion. He has been president for 8 years and what has been done about abortion? Zippity doo da... that is what! So in the end...what do beliefs matter? They have no political will to do most of the things they promise, but they know they have to create positions in order to foster strong support among particular interest groups, not the least of which is the Christian right.

all the best...
Beliefs matter because even he could not do anything about it personally but if a Supreme Court appointment came up he could do a lot.

So, in fact, the Supreme Count has changed and has been pulling back abortion rights. Another appointment could overturn it all together.

Change in government is not overnight. Complacency is forever and gets worse.

Some politicians do work to keep promised. I am seeing it in my home city after the last election. People are getting upbeat again and know after the next city election massive changes will occur because of the work they see from the two elected in the last election. Two down and three to go.

When people give up hope there is no future.