my testimony without links

[rodgertutt]

Because my testimony is helping so many people, I am posting it here so it will stay on your front page for awhile if that's ok with you. The many entries in my guest book that is accessible towards the bottom of the front page on my site, and the many positive emails in my email file folders, show that the content of my testimony is helping many people.
You can Google up my site by typing in Rodger Tutt.

Also see the testimonies at TENTMAKER
Just type VISITOR COMMENTS AND TESTIMONIESinto Google

MY TESTIMONY (no links posted)

The idea that God lets any creature suffer endlessly has caused me more suffering than all other problems of my life combined. By the time I had reached the mission field I had hoped to have found a satisfactory answer that would justify God allowing this to happen. I didn't find such an answer. Surrounded by thousands of people, dozens of whom were dying every day and beginning an eternity of suffering in hell was too much for me.

In 1966, at age 28, it caused me to have a nervous breakdown. For several weeks I was confined to my bed in a state of terror night and day. The terror was caused by the fear of what a God I could not love or respect would do to me after I died. It took me twelve years to fully recover from the breakdown. I quickly became agnostic, for the Christian gospel and the Bible were no longer any comfort to me at all. Many evangelical friends tried to help me. They meant well, but in the end they all had only words of condemnation towards me. This added more suffering to my already intense suffering.

Gradually I began to learn that there have been, in centuries past, and still are today, a few people in the world that see a different kind of God in the Bible. They see a God who will not let any creature suffer forever. They see a God in the Bible who will change every second of everyone's suffering into something better that it happened, including the sufferings of Satan. I learned that a correctly (literally) translated Bible teaches universal transformation, not endless suffering in hell, or even annihilation. I read dozens of books, and listened to hundreds of tapes by men who believe this way and I gradually became converted to believing this way myself.

Since 1981, through my newspaper ads and my telephone ministry, I have sent out many hundreds of packets of literature explaining why I believe as I do. I have also sent this evidence to hundreds of pastors and Bible school teachers. None of them have told me that they are able to refute it. I have also read eight books that were supposed to refute the evidence in favor of universalism, but none of them do. Because of this evidence, my panic attacks became less frequent until twelve years after my breakdown they ceased altogether. Now nothing gives me greater pleasure than to make this evidence available to others who have suffered because of the same problem I had even though they have embraced Christ and His gospel for themselves, and I use a substantial amount of my money and time to this end.

Because of the enormous amount of suffering the idea of "endless hell" causes in this world, I am asking you to consider the possibility that you should stop endorsing the idea that the Bible teaches it. Or, at least, let others know that there are (and have been in centuries past) people who do not think the Bible teaches it.

Many of the responses from pastors and teachers range from a mild: "The majority don't agree with you so you must be wrong", to the vicious "For every week you leave your ad in the papers, God will increase the temperature of the fires of hell for you personally".
Most are somewhere in between these remarks. But none have told me they are able to refute the evidence. And, until they can, they will not be able to stop me from sharing the good news that a correctly (literally) translated Bible teaches universal transformation, not endless suffering in hell, or even annihilation.

A website that answers all the arguments that seem to support the idea that the Bible teaches endless suffering in hell is TENTMAKER. Although forum rules may prevent me from posting forum links, you can easily Google it up. The “scholar’s corner” under “research” deals with every aspect of the subject. The more than 600 page search engine at the top of this same TENTMAKER front page is also very comprehensive regarding this subject. Just type in a key word or phrase from any argument or scripture passage, and ten articles will appear that refute the eternal hell and annihilation doctrines. Then click to the next page and ten more will appear, and so on, and so on for many pages.

I am also going to guide you all to the testimony of a man whose experience was almost identical to mine. Even the thought processes that took him into, through, and out of his breakdown are the same as mine. Only he is much more eloquent in telling his story than I am in telling mine. His name is Charles Slagle.

You can Google up his testimony by typing in ABSOLUTE ASSURANCE

You can access my forum through Google by typing in Rodger Tutt.

It may well be that a few members of this form or surfers will be able to benefit from the testimonies of Charles and myself.

May God's blessing rest with your spirit!
From Rodger Tutt in Toronto, Canada
“That God may be All in all” 1Cor.15:28

[CTZonEdit]

Roger,

I'm sorry that you have suffered. This is not personal this is about the bible, God, and what you are preaching. Which is erroneous.

Basically you have created your own 'bible' and 'god' in order to 'feel better' about you.

You do not trust God enough to believe that Christ was all you needed. By believing that God will save everyone ultimately Christ really isnt needed. There was no point in Christ's death if God is just going to save everyone REGARDLESS of whether a person WANTS to be saved or not.

Believing in Christ is a CHOICE of FAITH. By believing in a god that will save you no matter what CHOICES you make then Christ's death and sacrifice is a meaningless waste.

You DO realize there are people who HATE God? Explain how you account for those people who will never believe and hate him? They have freewill too you know. And if God in ANY WAY removes their freewill then he violates that persons existance.

Making him a god not of love and truth and justice, but a god of whimsy that does as he pleases REGARDLESS of peoples freewill.

And this nonsense that you have never been refuted? Is only you not accepting what is presented to you in FAVOR of your own personal doctrine which appears to be built upon your own fears and ignorances.

[rodgertutt]

Regarding arguments against the Bible teaching universal salvation, see
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/BibleThreateningsExplained.html (http://www.tentmaker.org/books/BibleThreateningsExplained.html)
Any hell that anyone will experience the Bible calls "kolasis aionian," which means age-during corrective chastisement.
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/asw/Chapter11.html (http://www.tentmaker.org/books/asw/Chapter11.html)
It is limited in duration, and corrective in purpose.
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Aion_lim.html (http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Aion_lim.html)

My testimony contains information that, according to the 150 entries in my guest book, and the many positive emails in my email file folders, is helping many people. My guest book can be accessed towards the bottom of my front page at
http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/ (http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/)

Also see the testimonies at http://www.tentmaker.org/visitorcomments.htm (http://www.tentmaker.org/visitorcomments.htm)
My guest book only holds 150 messages. Then the oldest ones are automatically deleted to make room for the newest ones.

So much suffering is caused by the horrific false doctrine of endless suffering in hell, that it gives me great pleasure to guide people to the evidence that a correctly (literally, not interpretively) translated Bible teaches universal salvation, not endless suffering in hell, or even annihilation.

We agree with fundamentalist Christians that we should not believe things that go against Biblical teaching. We don’t.

I'm 68, and I am acquainted with many people who are, or were in various stages of nervous breakdown over their inability to love a god who would let anyone suffer forever. Even though they have embraced Christ and His gospel, they are afraid of what God might do to them after they are raised from the dead for not being able to love Him. The information in my testimony has helped many of these people.

If any member or surfer on this forum is suffering because they are unable to successfully emotionally cope with the idea that God is going to let any creature suffer forever, they can Google up the more than 600 page search engine at the top of the TENTMAKER front page. Just type in a key word or phrase from each argument or scripture passages and ten articles will appear that refute the eternal hell and annihilationist doctrines.
Then click to the next page and ten more articles will appear, and so on and so on for
many pages.

Most fundamentalist Christians are not even aware that there are two sides to the argument about what the Bible teaches.
I have exhaustively studied both sides myself. This debate always ends with the words, "My Greek scholars are more reliable than your Greek scholars," and the result is a stalemate.

If your readers think it glorifies God more to believe that He is going to let some of His creatures suffer forever, then they should keep believing that.
But if they think it glorifies God more to eventually meet everyone on the level of their greatest and deepest need, which is a change in their stubborn will, then I would like them to know that that is exactly what the Bible teaches that God is like.

I am a Concordant Christian. I have read and recorded gleanings into my more than four thousand page personal journal from most of the back issues of UNSEARCHABLE RICHES that has been published back to 1909. Every argument that I have ever heard against the Bible teaching universal salvation have been repeatedly dealt with in these magazines.

Largely, but not exclusively, because of the contents in these magazines, I am convinced that the evidence in support of the Bible teaching universal salvation is irrefutable. That is why the argument that we should teach endless suffering in hell just in case it might be true is unacceptable to me. IMHO the greatest of all manifestations of God's grace in action on this earth is that anyone can believe in "eternal suffering" for anyone and not have a nervous breakdown thinking about it.

Here are several Concordant websites.
http://www.concordant.org/ (http://www.concordant.org/)
http://www.saviour-of-all.org/ (http://www.saviour-of-all.org/)
http://www.godstruthfortoday.org/ (http://www.godstruthfortoday.org/)http://www.godstruthfortoday.org/Library/index1.html (http://www.godstruthfortoday.org/Library/index1.html)
www.gracetruth.com (http://www.gracetruth.com/)
http://www.tentmaker.org/ (http://www.tentmaker.org/)

From Rodger Tutt in Toronto, Canada
“That God may be All in all” 1Cor.15:28

[rodgertutt]

One of the important tools for believing that the Bible teaches universal
reconciliation is to use a correctly (literally, not interpretively) translated Bible. Here
are several. The ones on line you don't even have to pay for.

CORRECT TRANSLATIONS ONLINE

CONCORDANT http://www.concordant.org/version/html.html

YOUNG'S LITERAL http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/rylt/rylt.html

OTHER CORRECT TRANSLATIONS NOT ONLINE LISTED AT

http://www.members.cox.net/tmurr10/aswundivided.html#10 and

http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/Hell_is_Leaving_the_Bible_Forever.html

I think the Concordant Literal Translation is the most accurate.
Of the versions not online I like ROTHERHAM'S EMPHASISED BIBLE the best.

Four scriptural expositions supporting UR are found at
http://concordant.org/expohtml/HumanDestiny/doubts.html
http://concordant.org/expohtml/HumanDestiny/1cor15.html
http://www.godstruthfortoday.org/Library/knoch/ReplyToUniversalismRefuted/refuted1.htm
(copy and paste on address bar in two sections if necessary)
http://concordant.org/expohtml/TheEons/index.html

[kay-gee]

2000 years of sound Christian doctrine is not going to collapse on the testimony of one man. I appreciate wishful thinking as much as the next guy, but in this case, sorry, I can't be a partaker of this serious error.

all the best...

[rodgertutt]

I think that ETers (eternal tormentors) who think it is right, and good, and just, and loving, and merciful, for God to sustain people alive in an inescapable state of never-ending suffering forever, or be annihilated, will choose to believe any and all evidences that seem to support the belief that the Bible teaches that perception of what God is like.

But URs (universal reconciliationists) who thinks it is right, and good, and just, and loving, and merciful, for God to successfully influence people so they will not suffer forever, will choose to believe any and all evidences that support the belief that the Bible teaches that perception of what God is like.

As far as I am concerned, you tell me which perception of God you see in the Bible, and I will know what kind of person you are, regardless of how impeccably righteous the behavior of the rest of your life may appear. But even though I perceive you as being chosen by God to be a vessel of the grossest dishonor, I also believe that God will refashion you into a vessel of honor after your resurrection from the dead.

The strongest sets of influences will always dictate what we choose to believe, every time, without exception. This is an irrefutable truth. The strongest influence may consist of all the influences that have been brought to bear upon us in the past, plus the influence that is being brought to bear upon us right now. But the strongest influence will cause us to choose in that direction every time.

You have to believe what you believe, and so do I. We are both just as convinced that we are believing the absolute truth, and we will both probably die believing the way that we do now. We will all try to influence others as much as we feel we should, but within the wise counsel of His decretive will (that which must occur), God will decide how successful we will be.

In my life the strongest influence is the thousands of pages of evidence that is contained in the tentmaker search engine about what a correctly (literally, not interpretively) translated Bible teaches. See the search engine at the top of the front page at http://www.tentmaker.org/
Type in any key word or phrase from any argument or Bible verse and ten articles will come up refuting the doctrines of "eternal hell" and “annihilation.” Then click to the next page and ten more articles will come up, and so on and so on for many pages.

[rodgertutt]

HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE by James Coram

The introduction at the beginning of each chapter is not the chapter itself. You must click on the highlighted title of each chapter to bring up the entire chapter to read it.Each chapter is quite long and comprehensive.

The “danger” in preaching the truth resides only in the imagination of the person who doesn’t understand the truth.

The online book “HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE” by James Coram needs no defense. It stands on its own merit.
It has helped many people. It will help many more.

Most comments and questions regarding this book are responded to within the writing itself, for example, “WHAT ARE CORRECT TRANSLATIONS OF THE BIBLE?”

A frequent response to first learning about the existence of this book is,
“You believe the words of men, but we believe the Bible.”
But the actual reading of, “HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE” by James Coram will prove to all readers that JUST THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE.

IMHO, "HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE" by James Coram is the most powerful of all of the dozens of books that I have read, the hundreds of tapes that I have listened to, and the many online articles that I have read that show that a correctly, (literally, not interpretively) translated Bible teaches universal salvation, not eternal torment, or even annihilation. (I am 68 years old)

In fact, to me it is so powerful that it renders all arguments to the contrary completely irrelevant to the truth that it proves that, by the time God’s plan for the ages of time has been consummated, the universal salvation of all sinful creatures from everything from which they need to be saved, most certainly, will have occurred.

It can be read in its entirety online at http://concordant.org/expohtml/HisAchievement/index.html (http://concordant.org/expohtml/HisAchievement/index.html)

Or, it can be Googled up by typing in HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE

It has seventeen chapters, each chapter having its own highlighted heading followed by a short introduction.
Just click on the highlighted heading and the entire text of that chapter will appear.

Since I have read many writings, the sum total of which probably contain every argument in existence in support of the idea that the Bible teaches eternal torment or annihilation, I am confident that if anyone were to read "HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE" in it's entirety, they would change their mind about their belief that the Bible teaches eternal torment or annihilation.

However, as a friend recently reminded me, one must be disposed of the Ultimate Placer to receive any revelation; it’s all about Sovereign causes & effects. Or as Ralph Waldo Emerson put it, “People only see what they are prepared to see.”

From Rodger Tutt in Toronto, Canada
“That God may be All in all” 1Cor.15:28

Write to me personally at rodgertutt@sympatico.ca (rodgertutt@sympatico.ca)

My website is http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/ (http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/)

[CoreIssue]

We have discussed Universal salvation a number of times. We posted the verses that deny it.

And you have been disputed on other forums. I saw that in a quick search.

Universal Salvation is based on non-literal Bible readings, human logic and flat or denying the existence of certain versus.

I am moving this thread to the false doctrines section.

[CoreIssue]

Also, I don't want this stuff repeated all over the board. So I deleted your second thread and, as stated, move this one to the appropriate forum.

[rodgertutt]

When it comes to what we believe, the strongest sets of influence always dictate what all of us choose every time without exception. It is impossible to choose what we do not prefer. The actual choosing of it proves that we prefer it, even though we may be attracted to a different influence to a lesser degree.

The strongest influence may be a combination of the influences that have been brought to bear upon us in the past, plus the influence that is being brought to bear upon us right now. But in the final analysis, the strongest influence always prevails every time. For example, try to believe differently than you do now. You can't can you? That's because there are influences so strong that they prevent you from thinking any differently than you do. Same thing goes for me, and the same thing goes for everyone.

I am so glad that I have a God Who is in intimate sovereign control over all strongest influences, and because of what Christ accomplished for us all by His death and resurrection, through the power in the blood of His cross, God will eventually transform all of the temporary negative consequences of our responses to strongest influences into something better that they temporarily prevailed. And He will eventually do this for every fallen creature without exception.
As my 95 year old dad says, "That's what makes Him God."

Concordant Christians believe that it is God's decretive will (that which must occur) that we all violate His preceptive will (that which we ought to do) as much as we actually do. We believe that God justly imposes accountability on everyone even though they cannot help but do what they do, because through His intimate sovereign control of how far He lets everyone get involved in sinning and suffering God is going to manifest, and glorify, and magnify the many facets of His character in a way that is uniquely applied to each individual. Contrary to what many people think, this does not cause us to live careless sinful lives because we love, and very much want to please a God like this.

The argument about “eternal hell” always ends with the words, “My Greek scholars are more reliable than your Greek scholars,” and the result is always a stalemate.

If you think it glorifies God more to let some of His creatures suffer forever, then you keep believing that.

But if you think it glorifies God more to eventually meet everyone on the level of their greatest and deepest need which is a change in their stubborn will, then know that there is plenty of evidence in the Bible that that is exactly what God is like.

A few Concordant websites are
http://www.concordant.org/ (http://www.concordant.org/)
http://www.saviour-of-all.org/ (http://www.saviour-of-all.org/)
http://www.godstruthfortoday.org/ (http://www.godstruthfortoday.org/)
http://www.godstruthfortoday.org/Library/index1.html (http://www.godstruthfortoday.org/Library/index1.html)
http://www.tentmaker.org/ (http://www.tentmaker.org/)

From Rodger Tutt in Toronto, Canada
“That God may be All in all” 1Cor.15:28

[CoreIssue]

Well, you are preaching. We need to nail down some conversation.

Not opinions, not preaching and not divine revelation. But facts we all can see and test.

Explain what this verse means. Don't go jumping to other verses and such. Tell me what it says. No copy massive copy and pastes.

I remember your name. We have talked before.

Matthew 25
41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.



Revelation 20
Satan's Doom

7When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God's people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
The Dead Are Judged

11Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

It says forever/eternal. not for some period of time.

Satan, the Anti-Christ and False Prophet are there for eternity. The AC and FP are humans.

They suffer the Second Death, eternal separation from God.

Explain these verses to me. Just them. What do the words literally say.

[CoreIssue]

You are not paying attention to what I said. Stop proliferating preaching posts.

Discuss on the single thread. One topic at a time of false doctrines. This is not a preaching platform for you.

I believe you did this before and got banned for it.

[rodgertutt]

"Eternal" is an interpretation, not a translation. All of the following are used in the Bible and all of them refer to limited periods of time.
aion (noun), aionion (adjective), aion of the aion (singular/singular), aion of the aions (singular/plural), aions of the aions (plural/plural)

Even when aionian refers to God, of course God is eternal, but that is not what the use of aionian is revealing. God is the God of the ages. He formed the ages and He will bring them to a successful consummation when He become All in all because of what Christ accomplished by His death and resurrection, through the power in the blood of His cross.

The lake of fire is part of God’s kingdom, as is the kingdom of Satan. Only in the relative sense is the kingdom of God not everywhere. In the absolute sense there is no place where God’s kingdom is not. The mistake that most Christians make is that they don’t recognize the absolute deity of God over all wills.

We should desire to experience the lake of fire if God sees that is what we need. That's how much we can relax in the arms of God's love.

It is God’s decretive will (that which must occur) that everyone violates His preceptive will (that which they ought to do) as much as they actually do because each person is being fitted into God’s master plan in a way that necessitates their own individual experience with sin, evil and suffering.
In His dealings with everyone God will glorify, and magnify the many facets of His character as He fits each unique individual in a positive way into His master plan.

Jesus died on the cross and rose from the dead to guarantee that any necessary "kolasis eonian" (age-during corrective chastisement) will be 100% effective in changing wrong attitudes.
All acts of sin have been forgiven for everyone. Attitudes cannot be forgiven. Attitudes must change. This is what the lake of fire which is the second death will do. It will last no longer than God sees is good for everyone involved.

The process of salvation will be completed for the firstfruits of election, (the remnant chosen by grace), after the first resurrection. The process of salvation will be completed for the non-elect after the great white throne judgment. For some, it will include an experience in the lake of fire.

But everyone will be saved out of the lake of fire which is the second death.
You will ask, “What scriptural evidence is there of being saved out of the lake of fire which is the second death?"

There actually is much evidence.

Although the book of Revelation is the last book placed in the Bible, it is not the final revelation of what God is going to do with humanity. The apostle Paul saw way beyond John.

Col.1:25 of which I became a dispenser, in accord with the administration of God, which is granted to me for you, to complete the word of God

There is much evidence that Paul did see way beyond John. For instance, in Revelation there are still kings reigning, and Christ is still reigning along with His followers. There are still sovereignties and powers in force throughout the book of revelation. So John did not see the day when all sovereignty, authority and power would be done away. Paul did. If you will look at 1Corinthians 15:24-28 Paul saw the day when all of these would be done away. He sees the day when "He should be nullifying all sovereignty, authority and power" (vs.24)

Paul sees the day when Christ will quit reigning (vs.25).

Paul sees the day when death (all death which includes the second death) will be abolished (vs.26). Please remember that death will be abolished **after** all the sovereignties, authorities and powers in Revelation have been nullified. Within the book of Revelation, death is still operational as are the afore mentioned powers.

So what is going to happen to all these people who are in death when death is abolished?

They will come forth vivified (made alive beyond the reach of death) (1Cor.15:22).

They will have their lives justified and will be constituted righteous:

Romans 5:18 Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for all mankind for condemnation, thus also it is through one just award for all mankind for life's justifying.
Romans 5:19 For even as, through the disobedience of the one man, the many were constituted sinners, thus also, through the obedience of the One, the many shall be constituted just.

All will be reconciled to God (Col.1:20)

All will be headed up in Christ (Eph.1:10)

All will bow the knee in the name of Jesus and acclaim with their tongue that "Jesus Christ is Lord" to the glory of God, the Father (Phil.2:9-11).
And we know that anyone who acclaims that Jesus Christ is Lord, especially when it is to God's glory without any hypocrisy is saved for 1Corinthians 12:3 says so.

So there is proof that people will go to the second death **when ** the new earth comes. And there is proof that this is not the final goal God has for these people.

In summary then:
The lake of fire is the second death.
The apostle John did not see into the future as far as the apostle Paul.
How do I know this? and what ramifications does this have as to whether or not one gets out of the lake of fire...the second death? Plenty.
In the book of revelation Christ is still reigning; death is still operational; sovereignties, authorities and powers are still in force.
In 1Cor.15:22-28 Paul sees way beyond John's revelation.
He sees the day when Christ will quit reigning (1Cor.15:25).
He sees the day when all sovereignties, authorities and powers are nullified (1Cor.15:24).
He sees the day when death is abolished (1Cor.15:26) and all are then subjected to Christ then Christ is subjected to God and then God is All in all (1Cor.15:28).
So, yes, there is scripture which intimates that all in the lake of fire will come forth and God will be All in all.
Also in 1Cor.15:22 all are dying and in Christ shall all be vivified. So this happens after death for most.
Also in Romans 5:18,19 you have what happens to all mankind due to what Adam did which happens to the exact same all mankind due to what Christ did. But it does not happen to all at the exact same time. Each in his own order.

Regarding the purpose and duration of the lake of fire which is the second death, see
http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/TheLakeOfFire-Eby.html (http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/TheLakeOfFire-Eby.html)

[rodgertutt]

"Eternal" is an interpretation, not a translation. All of the following are used in the Bible and all of them refer to limited periods of time.
aion (noun), aionion (adjective), aion of the aion (singular/singular), aion of the aions (singular/plural), aions of the aions (plural/plural)

Even when aionian refers to God, of course God is eternal, but that is not what the use of aionian is revealing. God is the God of the ages. He formed the ages and He will bring them to a successful consummation when He become All in all because of what Christ accomplished by His death and resurrection, through the power in the blood of His cross.

The lake of fire is part of God’s kingdom, as is the kingdom of Satan. Only in the relative sense is the kingdom of God not everywhere. In the absolute sense there is no place where God’s kingdom is not. The mistake that most Christians make is that they don’t recognize the absolute deity of God over all wills.

We should desire to experience the lake of fire if God sees that is what we need. That's how much we can relax in the arms of God's love.

It is God’s decretive will (that which must occur) that everyone violates His preceptive will (that which they ought to do) as much as they actually do because each person is being fitted into God’s master plan in a way that necessitates their own individual experience with sin, evil and suffering.
In His dealings with everyone God will glorify, and magnify the many facets of His character as He fits each unique individual in a positive way into His master plan.

Jesus died on the cross and rose from the dead to guarantee that any necessary "kolasis eonian" (age-during corrective chastisement) will be 100% effective in changing wrong attitudes.
All acts of sin have been forgiven for everyone. Attitudes cannot be forgiven. Attitudes must change. This is what the lake of fire which is the second death will do. It will last no longer than God sees is good for everyone involved.

The process of salvation will be completed for the firstfruits of election, (the remnant chosen by grace), after the first resurrection. The process of salvation will be completed for the non-elect after the great white throne judgment. For some, it will include an experience in the lake of fire.

But everyone will be saved out of the lake of fire which is the second death.
You will ask, “What scriptural evidence is there of being saved out of the lake of fire which is the second death?"

There actually is much evidence.
Although the book of Revelation is the last book placed in the Bible, it is not the final revelation of what God is going to do with humanity. The apostle Paul saw way beyond John.

Col.1:25 of which I became a dispenser, in accord with the administration of God, which is granted to me for you, to complete the word of God

There is much evidence that Paul did see way beyond John. For instance, in Revelation there are still kings reigning, and Christ is still reigning along with His followers. There are still sovereignties and powers in force throughout the book of revelation. So John did not see the day when all sovereignty, authority and power would be done away. Paul did. If you will look at 1Corinthians 15:24-28 Paul saw the day when all of these would be done away. He sees the day when "He should be nullifying all sovereignty, authority and power" (vs.24)

Paul sees the day when Christ will quit reigning (vs.25).

Paul sees the day when death (all death which includes the second death) will be abolished (vs.26). Please remember that death will be abolished **after** all the sovereignties, authorities and powers in Revelation have been nullified. Within the book of Revelation, death is still operational as are the afore mentioned powers.

So what is going to happen to all these people who are in death when death is abolished?

They will come forth vivified (made alive beyond the reach of death) (1Cor.15:22).

They will have their lives justified and will be constituted righteous:

Romans 5:18 Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for all mankind for condemnation, thus also it is through one just award for all mankind for life's justifying.
Romans 5:19 For even as, through the disobedience of the one man, the many were constituted sinners, thus also, through the obedience of the One, the many shall be constituted just.

All will be reconciled to God (Col.1:20)

All will be headed up in Christ (Eph.1:10)

All will bow the knee in the name of Jesus and acclaim with their tongue that "Jesus Christ is Lord" to the glory of God, the Father (Phil.2:9-11).
And we know that anyone who acclaims that Jesus Christ is Lord, especially when it is to God's glory without any hypocrisy is saved for 1Corinthians 12:3 says so.

So there is proof that people will go to the second death **when ** the new earth comes. And there is proof that this is not the final goal God has for these people.

In summary then:
The lake of fire is the second death.
The apostle John did not see into the future as far as the apostle Paul.
How do I know this? and what ramifications does this have as to whether or not one gets out of the lake of fire...the second death? Plenty.
In the book of revelation Christ is still reigning; death is still operational; sovereignties, authorities and powers are still in force.
In 1Cor.15:22-28 Paul sees way beyond John's revelation.
He sees the day when Christ will quit reigning (1Cor.15:25).
He sees the day when all sovereignties, authorities and powers are nullified (1Cor.15:24).
He sees the day when death is abolished (1Cor.15:26) and all are then subjected to Christ then Christ is subjected to God and then God is All in all (1Cor.15:28).
So, yes, there is scripture which intimates that all in the lake of fire will come forth and God will be All in all.
Also in 1Cor.15:22 all are dying and in Christ shall all be vivified. So this happens after death for most.
Also in Romans 5:18,19 you have what happens to all mankind due to what Adam did which happens to the exact same all mankind due to what Christ did. But it does not happen to all at the exact same time. Each in his own order.
Regarding the purpose and duration of the lake of fire which is the second death, see
http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/TheLakeOfFire-Eby.html (http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/TheLakeOfFire-Eby.html)

[rodgertutt]

I could find no evidence that the first one went through so I posted again.

[kay-gee]

I could be sadly mistaken, but if this doctrine is true.....SO WHAT?....nothing gained, nothing lost! Why believe in anything?

all te est...

[CTZonEdit]

He believes it because he says it made him fell better about himself and 'god'.

As you can see its quite dangerous to start changing what the bible says in order for you to make yourself feel better about what you do, have done, or the nature of God himself.

People would rather believe in another gospel instead of continuing to feel convicted about the truth of God.

God's love is not without justice. He is ultimately loving and ultimately just. Cant have one without the other. When you choose to makes transgressions against God almighty who is eternal, he is going to hand out an eternal punishment for that eternal crime.

What is so loving is that he provided a way out.
And that is to believe in Christ who paid the debt for your crimes against God.

[a.baker]

Well said CTZ on edit!