7-day creation story, recreated in one day?

[look3467]

Spiritualizing to me means understanding biblical stories, parables, numbers, visions and symbolisms.

For the start in understanding begins with the understanding of this verse: Hos 12:10 I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets.

That day is divided into 7 equal parts and of it are three pictures seen of the same day.
The 7-day creation story is not literal as is the 4 beast with six wings either.

So, there must be some spiritualizing to get the message in them.

But that one day, which is the day of His crucifixion, is the end and the beginning.

From that day all that you read from the old and the new relate to it.

Questions?

Peace>>>AJ

[CoreIssue]

Spiritualizing to me means understanding biblical stories, parables, numbers, visions and symbolisms.
It means taking literal words and changing their meanings to what isn't said.

And we demand literal proof to believe something.

For the start in understanding begins with the understanding of this verse: Hos 12:10 I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets.

I understand it. Do you in reality?

Fact is there are no new revelations of Biblical scale now. The Bible is complete.

To claim otherwise is to be a false prophet.

We are commanded to reject false prophets.

This is the Church Age, not OT Israel.

That day is divided into 7 equal parts and of it are three pictures seen of the same day.
The 7-day creation story is not literal as is the 4 beast with six wings either.

Prove it.

The 4 Living Creatures are literal creatures.

Prove your claim. No preaching.
So, there must be some spiritualizing to get the message in them.
Nope. Your assumption which flies in the face of what is literally said.
But that one day, which is the day of His crucifixion, is the end and the beginning.
Not in the Bible. Prove it. Don't preach. Prove this claim.
From that day all that you read from the old and the new relate to it.
Proof. I see none.
Questions?
Preaching. No proofs offered. Not allowed.

Prove you case before you move to anything else. And proving means allowing all debate and discussion to complete first.

[look3467]

That day is divided into 7 equal parts and of it are three pictures seen of the same day.
The 7-day creation story is not literal as is the 4 beast with six wings either.>>>Look3467


Prove it.

The 4 Living Creatures are literal creatures.

Prove your claim. No preaching.>>>CoreIssue





Besides all that anybody wants to determine what these 4 beasts represent is up to the individual.

First can you agree that God doubles things twice before brining it to pass?

If you do, then could we can say then that the 7-day creation divided by 2 would give us two halves with the eight day being the bring it to pass time?

The two witnesses in Revelation each representing half of the seven, or 3-1/2 years each, or of that day, making the day half each or 2 -12 hour periods?

Or could we say the 24 Elders in Revelation represent one day whole?
If you add them up, you will have 7 days.

4 beasts= 4 six-hr periods= 1st four days of creation= 1st picture

Two witnesses = 2 halves or 2 -12hr periods= 5th and sixth day of creation= 2nd picture

And the 24 Elders =one whole day=the 7th day of creation.= 3rd picture

There are three pictures painted of the same day and symbols used to show how God doubles twice to bring it to pass.

Gen 41:32 And for that the dream was doubled unto Pharaoh twice; it is because the thing is established by God, and God will shortly bring it to pass.

God in Jesus recreates all 7 days of the creation (as seen by God) in one day.

And all that Jesus had to partake He knew it to be very soon, shortly must it come to pass.

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
What you see in the Book of Revelation is about Christ and what He had to endure, comply with and suffer in order to redeem the world back to God.

That to me is the main trust, but humanity takes whatever application it wants from it.

Peace>>>AJ

[Jessie]

so are you saying we can make whatever whatever we want to?

[look3467]

so are you saying we can make whatever whatever we want to?

It seems that every body has and end time senerio, and many books written with no certainty of its coming to pass as thought.

Peace>>>AJ

[CoreIssue]

so are you saying we can make whatever whatever we want to?
He is saying more than that.

When you piece all he has said together he is saying, here and in other threads, he is saying a greater truth has been revealed to him. That is Gnosticism.

HE has the real truth. We don't.

Thus he is his own proof and is why he feels he can continue this way.

How many of these have we seen come on? Yet never agreeing with each other.

[CoreIssue]

look3467, I told you not to preach and give literal proof.

You have preached and offered zero proof.

As you have done in other threads.

You are warned, we do not allow preaching here and you are required to prove your case and answer questions.

You have not, ever.
WARNING 1

[look3467]

so are you saying we can make whatever whatever we want to?
He is saying more than that.

When you piece all he has said together he is saying, here and in other threads, he is saying a greater truth has been revealed to him. That is Gnosticism.

HE has the real truth. We don't.

Thus he is his own proof and is why he feels he can continue this way.

How many of these have we seen come on? Yet never agreeing with each other.

Well, folks, I guess I'll mossy on.

See ya in heaven!

Bye, AJ

[CoreIssue]

so are you saying we can make whatever whatever we want to?
He is saying more than that.

When you piece all he has said together he is saying, here and in other threads, he is saying a greater truth has been revealed to him. That is Gnosticism.

HE has the real truth. We don't.

Thus he is his own proof and is why he feels he can continue this way.

How many of these have we seen come on? Yet never agreeing with each other.

Well, folks, I guess I'll mossy on.

See ya in heaven!

Bye, AJ
:tiphat: At least you understand you cannot prove your beliefs. So many do not.

[look3467]

I have a friend who can quote the bible by verse and number. He is a post tribber and will adamantly tell you just how it is.
I in turn shared with Him my thoughts and He left in disgust and most certainly told me I was the Antichrist.
Now, I don't get offended because I feel I know what God wants me to understand, and therefore, deal with everybody on their own terms with love and understanding.
I having nothing to loose and a whole lot to gain by helping folks understand God's love.
Mind you, this is a born again Christian, my friend.
Another friend is a Pentecostal who insists that I be baptized in the name of Jesus only, otherwise, I'm a gonner,... to hell.
And now you my friends, are in the same boat as my friends.
I guess I will just hold on to what I know and leave you all to your own views.

God bless and no ill will intended.

Bye! AJ

[CoreIssue]

I have a friend who can quote the bible by verse and number. He is a post tribber and will adamantly tell you just how it is.
Posties spiritualize verses to arrive at Post Trib.

Not as much as you do, but they do.

I have debated many of them over time and there are a lot of points they make they cannot offer a literal proof for.
I in turn shared with Him my thoughts and He left in disgust and most certainly told me I was the Antichrist.
That requires error against the very core of what the Bible teaches about Christ and salvation.
Now, I don't get offended because I feel I know what God wants me to understand,
And there is the problem. YOU understand based on you, nothing literal from the Bible.

and therefore, deal with everybody on their own terms with love and understanding.

Truth and Sound Doctrine? What about those?

I having nothing to loose and a whole lot to gain by helping folks understand God's love.

I would disagree when teaching false doctrine. That gives a whole lot to lose.
Mind you, this is a born again Christian, my friend.
We don't know enough of what you believe on those issues to comment.

Another friend is a Pentecostal who insists that I be baptized in the name of Jesus only, otherwise, I'm a gonner,... to hell.

Jesus Only, Oneness and some other names. But cult.
And now you my friends, are in the same boat as my friends.
Your right to feel that way.
I guess I will just hold on to what I know and leave you all to your own views.
What you know? Yep, Gnosticism.

God bless and no ill will intended.

Bye! AJ
But you have to try to get the last word in that you have revelation we lack and need you for. Yea, we recognize that tactic as well.

Bye.

[look3467]

Peace I leave with you.

AJ

[Jessie]

sorry but you have no peace to give and no love to give sadly.

[look3467]

sorry but you have no peace to give and no love to give sadly.
I guess your my judge.........and jury!

I left you with a blessing, and you well...........

Peace>>>AJ

[Jessie]

I did'nt say it in harshness. but rather sadly.

go back and reread the thread.

[look3467]

I did'nt say it in harshness. but rather sadly.

go back and reread the thread.

But you did!

Discrediting me completely and making yourself as sole authority on the word of God.

So you don't see a picture of Jesus going through a 24 hour day of hell, and what all He went through to accomplish the recreation of the new heavens and the new earth?

Why did Jesus begin His mission on the eve of Friday and ended it on the eve of the Sabbath?
These are the steps the course took Him through.
1. At the Lords Supper, Jesus gives instructions on the coming events
2. Jesus at the Garden receiving the worlds portion of sins, betrayal and arrest.
3. Jesus is taken to all 4 courts, judged, condemned and punished.
4. Jesus is crucified,"It is finished", salvation comes to the world shortly there after, to the ones in prison as well as to all future yet unborn souls.

Compare that to the creation story.
1. Introduction, God creates, describes His works
2. The fall, or the point where mankind is found less than perfect by the tree of knowledge
3. Judgment, cast out of the Garden and given the death sentence
4. Death administered of both the body and the soul.

This same pattern is prevalent throughout the whole bible.
God in Jesus came and used the same pattern to redeem all mankind from the curse of eternal separation, which of themselves, mankind could not do, but God alone.

Peace>>>AJ

[CoreIssue]

Look3467, again, you are only offering your opinions.

Back them with some proof, not taking literal words and attaching your spiritualized meanings to them.

Jessie did not make herself the sole authority on the Bible. She is telling you to read it literally.

When you deny literal and demand your theories on it are true you are making yourself the authority because you are claiming sources of revelation from outside the Bible.

You want to say something says something other than literal? Offer proof, not your spin on words.

You non-literalists do not get it that at some point you have to have literal proofs to build from or claim special revelation from God on hidden meanings. Otherwise it is fanciful personal invention.

[look3467]

Are you aware that God dobuled things twice before brining it to pass?
If you are aware of it, give me a scripture to prove it, please.

Perhaps we can start from there.

Peace>>>AJ

[CoreIssue]

Are you aware that God dobuled things twice before brining it to pass?
If you are aware of it, give me a scripture to prove it, please.

Perhaps we can start from there.

Peace>>>AJ
How about we first start with Gen 1:1 and establish what it means. Not the assumption it is part of the 7 days.

You see, I can take this a different direction than you are going and I believe back my position with facts.

[look3467]

I guess then that my question means nothing, right?
OK, what can you tell me about Genesis 1:1?

Peace>>>AJ

[CoreIssue]

I guess then that my question means nothing, right?
OK, what can you tell me about Genesis 1:1?

Peace>>>AJ
Not nothing. But how can we discuss it in regards to your proposition until we agree on exactly what it means?

Genesis 1:1 was not part of the 7 days. It was the creation of the earth, which was made chaos in verse 2. Verse 3 begins the the 7 days or reforming creation.

Right off the bat you run into the issue of it does not say many things during the 7 days were created, as in orginal from nothing.

Light already existed, in example. Darkness is created, but already existed before day 1 began.

We have to get the foundation correct before we can discuss implications as are included in your thinking.