1 Corinthians 11

[a.baker]

I see in this scripture where some doctrines get the law of belief if your a woman it is not proper to cut your hair and also where if you are a woman you are to cover your face with cloth. Now thats not what I feel this scripture means but what does it mean? What does it mean by head covered and long hair? It says if a womans head is uncovered than she should shave off her hair to cover her head back up because a shaved head would be disgraceful. Does it mean a womans head is her husband; so is it talking about faithfulness in unity? I assume its not talking about a head as in body part but a head as in order of who is in charge so to speak like the place or position of each. Maybe bad example but, the boss is God, the supervisor is Jesus, the assistant manager is man, and the employee is woman? But where does long hair fall in? It also says long hair is for woman and not man.

1 Corinthians 11:3 Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of every woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

[CoreIssue]

Covering the head, meaning the hair, not the face.

As for the hair, it means women should not have men's hair cuts, I believe. The Greek culture had short hair for men.

In marriage the man is the head of the house and in the church men are leaders.

It is saying a woman needs to keep the proper relationships and not try to hold authority over men or be equal in authority.

Now, the meaning of authority and such gets a lot more complex.

It isn't about suppression or any such thing.

[Jessie]

hum wonder if a shag is ok for wemon?

my hair is so fine, to grow it long, would need a perm in it to look decent.

[Jessie]

I do see a lot of wemon here a lot of older wemon esp. with like a butch cut.

and I've noticed too that with the wemons clothing, its following the mens.
not lovely at all. looks just like the guys.

would be nice if they'd make clothes for "wemon" esp. the younger girls more.
they have dresses and such, but the pants are just awful!

[CoreIssue]

My wife is fair complected with really fine hair.

Her hair is shorter, but longer than most men. Feminine.

No way she can grow it longer and even hope to control it.

[a.baker]

Sorry but off topic but I have a nervous habit of pulling my hair out ever since I was a little kid. I am getting much better since I rarely become board any more. But I always find myself doing it when I am driving and watching t.v. Weird and grouse. I also have very fine hair but its medium length and of course thin. I always always wear it up unless its wet or I am sleeping. Some women can pull off the short cut and some can't. I think some look nice with it. I guess it also depends on how they dress the rest of their body too and present themselves. I think its easier for some women to style it short than long. My sister also has fine hair and its really really long and it looks so stringy its almost freaky because its also very thin. But she does not take care of any of her health needs and I think thats a big contributer. O.k. back on topic...

[kay-gee]

You need to examine the cultural setting of Corinthians also. The woman with uncovered heads were the temple prostitutes and such. The people reading the letter would have understood the ramifications more accurately than we would. Many arguments in modern congregations are because of these passages. When I see a woman on the street with out a hat or a veil, I don't assume she is immoral or a prostitute. Different time and culture. What for them was a kiss is for us a handshake. See what I mean?
all the best...

[CoreIssue]

You need to examine the cultural setting of Corinthians also. The woman with uncovered heads were the temple prostitutes and such. The people reading the letter would have understood the ramifications more accurately than we would. Many arguments in modern congregations are because of these passages. When I see a woman on the street with out a hat or a veil, I don't assume she is immoral or a prostitute. Different time and culture. What for them was a kiss is for us a handshake. See what I mean?
all the best...
Covering of the head is only for in church. Nothing to do with on the street and elsewhere.

It states it is a symbol of submission to her husband.

[kay-gee]

In those days it did.
all the best...

[CoreIssue]

In those days it did.
all the best...
That is not what the Bible says it means.

Or are you implying it is no loger relevant? That the Bible changes with social and cultural norms?

[kay-gee]

We must study the Bible through the eyes of those who were the original recipients of the writings. Their culture was vastly different from ours. For one thing were little more than chattel then. Could hold no political power. Were kept under wraps pretty much like in Moslem cultures today. The disciples even marvelled that Jesus had stooped so low, as to even speak with a woman. (The woman at the well story). Good Jewish men just didn't do that. I hardly think that you would hold these views today. Of course not! Well something changed.
all the best...

[a.baker]

Maybe a little off subject but when talking of submission to a husband I have a question. Where did the idea of wedding rings come from? Is a wedding ring biblical? I understand the unity thing but why is a ring necessary? Is it bad to not wear it? I wear mine mostly but if I am doing certain work or getting a shower and such I won't wear it.

[CoreIssue]

Maybe a little off subject but when talking of submission to a husband I have a question. Where did the idea of wedding rings come from? Is a wedding ring biblical? I understand the unity thing but why is a ring necessary? Is it bad to not wear it? I wear mine mostly but if I am doing certain work or getting a shower and such I won't wear it.
Ancient Roman custom.

I see nothing wrong with it as now meant.

[CoreIssue]

We must study the Bible through the eyes of those who were the original recipients of the writings. Their culture was vastly different from ours. For one thing were little more than chattel then. Could hold no political power. Were kept under wraps pretty much like in Moslem cultures today. The disciples even marvelled that Jesus had stooped so low, as to even speak with a woman. (The woman at the well story). Good Jewish men just didn't do that. I hardly think that you would hold these views today. Of course not! Well something changed.
all the best...
You made a grievous mistake here.

The Biblical teachings on many subjects, OT and NT, defied the customs of the time.

Nothing in the NT teaches or says what you are stating here.

I ask you again, are you saying the Bible is a social document whose meanings change and evolve with culture and time? That men are no longer to be the heads of Christian households?

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[kay-gee]

Not at all. I am merely stating that the First century Middle East, was far removed from the cultural norms of the western society of today. Of course the man is the head of the household and leader of the church. But it remains that society has changed a lot around us into 2000 years. You have woman in all kinds of roles not heard of even a century ago. CEO's of corparations and everything. We even stand a good chance of seeing a woman as the leader of the free world in the year ahead.

all the best...

[Jessie]

best to stick to what the bible says. sure the world changes, but then too
it says there is nothing new under the sun.

there is a distiction between the world and the church also.

wemon dont belong in those roles either. it has caused a great upheaval and been in my belief the catalist to totaly undermine the family.
a woman can NOT do everything.
and men need to get back to doing what they are suppossed to so the woman can do her job.

far too many want to not work and find a sugar mama..
eww thats just gross!

[CoreIssue]

Right, Jessie.

Either you support the Bible in what it says the roles of men and women are, KG, or you think culture and society sets the roles over the Bible.

You support Hillary. That kind of sums up you don't suppor the Bible.

You are trying to have it both ways. You brought the point up referencing society and culture of then versus what the Bible says as if that trumps the Bible.

[a.baker]

Yes part of Gods perfect plan is what a mans role is and what a womans role is. You see in society now a days what all the chaos has become from women thinking they are so independent and men thinking he can do the mother job at home while the wife goes to work to be the bread winner. Nothing wrong with women working or with men helping around the house with a womens work but their is a basic of what we are to do as male and female. It is all lined out in the NT. Things as a whole run a lot smoother and are happier when we live according to what God has lined out for us. Anything but and that could be ones pride blinding them. Example of a woman who thinks she can be a big boss but what happens the day her hormones are whacked and she has found out she gained 5lbs. and she is upset because another guy just yelled at her and doesn't consider her feelings? The company suffers in some way is what happens. Or what about physical heavy work? A man can always lift much much more and can always seem to fill out more hours of labor than a woman. Or what if something calls for a fight for something? A man can always do that better too. Or when a child is sick? A mother has extra keen snese (a mtoher always knows expresssion) and can know how to "baby" them just the way they need or knows when something is just not right. I don't know just a couple of examlpes...

[Jessie]

Yes part of Gods perfect plan is what a mans role is and what a womans role is. You see in society now a days what all the chaos has become from women thinking they are so independent and men thinking he can do the mother job at home while the wife goes to work to be the bread winner. Nothing wrong with women working or with men helping around the house with a womens work but their is a basic of what we are to do as male and female. It is all lined out in the NT. Things as a whole run a lot smoother and are happier when we live according to what God has lined out for us. Anything but and that could be ones pride blinding them. Example of a woman who thinks she can be a big boss but what happens the day her hormones are whacked and she has found out she gained 5lbs. and she is upset because another guy just yelled at her and doesn't consider her feelings? The company suffers in some way is what happens. Or what about physical heavy work? A man can always lift much much more and can always seem to fill out more hours of labor than a woman. Or what if something calls for a fight for something? A man can always do that better too. Or when a child is sick? A mother has extra keen snese (a mtoher always knows expresssion) and can know how to "baby" them just the way they need or knows when something is just not right. I don't know just a couple of examlpes...

:nod:

[kay-gee]

I am not disagreeing with anyone. I was just trying to give you some historical background as to what the world was like at the time the NT was written. Christian or Jewish aside, even the pagans treated women as second rate citizens. Only in Christianity, as a world religion, is the dignity of womanhood restored to her.
Also I believe in the total authority of the NT and stay completely in line with its teachings on all things concerning Church. So I am not sure where exactly we miscommunicated. I am not a supporter of Clinton really. How can I anyway? I am not a American citizen. But as an outside observer of politics, I concede that she has a very real possibility.
all the best...

[CoreIssue]

OK. Now see where we were coming from.

We were discussing what the meaning of the issues were to women and men.

You came out with this historical stuff and that it wasn't real today.

How else were we suppose to take it except meaning it wasn't relevant now?

I am fully aware of the historical realities. Probably know more about the cultures and history than anyone else on the board.

And that is why I see the that what is taught was very against the culture and society of that time.

[a.baker]

What does it mean that a man is not to have long hair? Wasn't man back in the day having long hair? I don't remember where but it also talked of a man shaving off their hair before they went out to sea to travel somewhere. If you don't know what exactly what I am talking about I will look it up in my bible later when I have time. I think it was in Acts but since were on the topic of hair still kinda sorta. Long hair of a man in Corinthians and a shaved head in Acts. I hope I make sense I am in a hurry to do other stuff around the house.

[CoreIssue]

What does it mean that a man is not to have long hair? Wasn't man back in the day having long hair? I don't remember where but it also talked of a man shaving off their hair before they went out to sea to travel somewhere. If you don't know what exactly what I am talking about I will look it up in my bible later when I have time. I think it was in Acts but since were on the topic of hair still kinda sorta. Long hair of a man in Corinthians and a shaved head in Acts. I hope I make sense I am in a hurry to do other stuff around the house.
In the OT men cut their hair.

Long hair was a covenant sign of being Nazarite. One in special purpose or dedication to God.

Jesus also cut his hair.

Look at the Shroud of Turin. Cut above the shoulders.

The real issue is what constitutes long hair. Is it down the back, to the shoulders, over the ears or what?

When I was a kid if it got on the ears it was long.

So, you can imagine the reaction to the hippies hair.

[Jessie]

thats the question, what was considered long hair....?????

would hippies have been in the nazarite hair style? :scratch:

does it really make a difference today?

I dont mind men with long hair, keep it clean and pulled back,
but wemon I dont like those mens hair styles so many are sporting today,
that feels wrong.....

[a.baker]

Yeah I can see now why the hippies were looked at so sneered eye. But that makes sense. And what would long hair be considered for its length? When people have pictures of Jesus it does show the medium right at the shoulder hair length. But another question. With the pictures of Jesus you see everywhere are they accurate? How would we know? And also with the times of the hippies and rock and roll what was that really about? People thought it was devils music? Why would they consider a different beat of music as bad? Was it the words in the music or maybe the way a small few would act out that listened to it? Another question does anyone know how rap is related to jazz? Thats what people say that like it that try to say its historical in some way to defend that rap is music. I think its a beat that repeats and repeats with talking that sometimes rhymes. I personally don't like it but now jazz is not bad. One more question what kind of music did they listen to in bible times? Or maybe I should say what instruments if any were used besides the harp? And how did they cut their hair or even shave it? I can see cutting it but shaving it?

[kay-gee]

First of all rap has nothing zippo zero whatsoever to do with jazz. If there was one thing they had in common it would be that they both started in African American circles. After that, any similarity ends. Religious bigots think that any thing is from the devil that they don't understand. Rock n Roll coincided with the sexual revolution of the 60's and became closely associated with it. The lyrics regressed quickly into overt sex and drugs. They had many instruments in bible times. Trumpets, percussion, all kinds of strings. It would sound strange to us today as Middle Eastern musical scales are differnt from modern western. Shaving and cutting would be easy for them. Metal was around since earliest times (Genesis). They had knives and razors to be sure. Hope I have been of some help. I don't want to open another kettle of fish, but my jury is out on the Shroud of Turin!
all the best...

[cbressler1976]

Each kind of music has its good and bad....I may be a weirdo...but I don't think God cares about your outside appearance...he cares about whats inside...there is good rock and country and hip hop...and there is bad of each....but I don't really think it matters what your hair looks like...but that's just my opinion...and I have been known to be wrong many times...

[kay-gee]

About 10 years ago or so, I had a long pony tail approx. half way down my back. I went to meet with a new congregation for the first time. A rural group and kinda uptight. Talk about feeling uneasy. After a few times, they had me over for dinner which I thought was nice. As it turned out it was like one of those interventions. They pulled out the Bibles and showed me in 1st Cor. 11 that it was shameful for a man to hve long hair and such. I remained as I was for a little while to let em stew in their own juices (so to speak) Then One day I cut it down. They were all over me with compliments. Only then was I allowed to say a public prayer. Just a little blast from my past I thought I would share.
all the best...

[a.baker]

That is interesting. I have known 3 guys that had long hair and got it cut off. They sure do look different with short hair. But I also thing that God cares about whats inside and not outside. But I think our outside appearance dopes speak without words being spoken and that can make other people decide right off the bat if they are going to talk with us or have anything to do with us. It is horrible that society has to judge by outer appearance but they do. Some things are lined out in the new testament though for example on how a woman should dress. And it is for upright reasons and it is good. Now for man I think its a little more relaxed. I would assume we aren't as Christians both for male and female to go out and get tattoos or crazy body piercings.

[CoreIssue]

Anything that alters or disfigures the body is forbidden in the Bible, as ornaments an such.

Ironically, ear and nose rings, on women, are not. God speaks of adorning the woman Israel in such ways. But are they pierced rings or compression?

[cbressler1976]

I just don't agree....I don't think it matters what you look like...as long as you are focused on God....there are Christian bikers that are rough looking, but are totally for God...if people judge me by my clothes..then that's their loss...now, I do understand about women dressing provacatively...skimpy clothes to church is wrong!! it causes men to lust...and that is wrong! tattoos that are evil..or say bad things is also wrong....but I don't think a flower tattoo is wrong....

[Jessie]

Anything that alters or disfigures the body is forbidden in the Bible, as ornaments an such.

Ironically, ear and nose rings, on women, are not. God speaks of adorning the woman Israel in such ways. But are they pierced rings or compression?

comression is awful....talk about pain....

I'd say its peirced the reason and I dont have the scripture is that in the OT
it was saying about a person staying a slave to a owner by freewill and how to put the ring in the ear. to me that did'nt sound like compression.

and how would they have a nose ring with compression?

talk about pain.... ouch ouch ouch.... not something I'd wanna endure.

[CoreIssue]

I just don't agree....I don't think it matters what you look like...as long as you are focused on God....there are Christian bikers that are rough looking, but are totally for God...if people judge me by my clothes..then that's their loss...now, I do understand about women dressing provacatively...skimpy clothes to church is wrong!! it causes men to lust...and that is wrong! tattoos that are evil..or say bad things is also wrong....but I don't think a flower tattoo is wrong....
Skimpy clothes is wrong any time in public.

Any tattoo is wrong, unless you want to argue with God about that one.

[Jessie]

is a 1 peice swim suit with shorts ok?

[cbressler1976]

I just don't agree....I don't think it matters what you look like...as long as you are focused on God....there are Christian bikers that are rough looking, but are totally for God...if people judge me by my clothes..then that's their loss...now, I do understand about women dressing provacatively...skimpy clothes to church is wrong!! it causes men to lust...and that is wrong! tattoos that are evil..or say bad things is also wrong....but I don't think a flower tattoo is wrong....
Skimpy clothes is wrong any time in public.

Any tattoo is wrong, unless you want to argue with God about that one.
where in the bible does it say specifically that you can't have a tattoo??
define skimpy.....almost all clothes that you get in the store now a days are skimpy...

[cbressler1976]

is a 1 peice swim suit with shorts ok?


I'm in big trouble then....I wear a one piece now...without shorts....but before I had my 2nd child I could wear a two piece....but I still had a hard time wearing those really skimpy ones with half stuff covered up...i have about 6 more lbs and I can wear my two piece again...then I guess I will be in trouble again..

[CoreIssue]

I just don't agree....I don't think it matters what you look like...as long as you are focused on God....there are Christian bikers that are rough looking, but are totally for God...if people judge me by my clothes..then that's their loss...now, I do understand about women dressing provacatively...skimpy clothes to church is wrong!! it causes men to lust...and that is wrong! tattoos that are evil..or say bad things is also wrong....but I don't think a flower tattoo is wrong....
Skimpy clothes is wrong any time in public.

Any tattoo is wrong, unless you want to argue with God about that one.
where in the bible does it say specifically that you can't have a tattoo??
define skimpy.....almost all clothes that you get in the store now a days are skimpy...
OT. Strictly forbidden.

Better to say sexually stimulating.

Fully clothed but showing everything you got might as well be nude.

You know what I am talking about.

Clothes that bring focus to parts of the body they should not.

[a.baker]

I agree we must be tasteful and it is in the bible when it comes to clothes focusing on body parts. God does also look at it bad if you help others to have thoughts of adultery towards you because you as a woman encouraged it by your choice of clothing. Also we aren't to tattoo our body for everything. Everything even our body are Gods only and we must be pleasing to Him in every way. If you have a tattoo for example from the past before I don't think He will hold it against you as long as you ask for forgiveness. Maybe those bikers when they got all their tattoos and such got them before they found God. Sins are forgiven. Also the only piercings I was talking about were the freakish ones that look like buttons or that are in other weird places of the body (I think everyone knows what I am referring to). Some people puts screws into their heads too. And our dress also goes as far to say for sloppiness. Once we become sloppy like say wear sweatpants to church always we will become sloppy in testimony. Others won't go to Jesus easily if they see us as Christians being sloppy in our appearance constantly. Now lazy days are o.k. but there is a time and place for everything.

[kay-gee]

Personally, I think that a person wearing a piece of jewellery through their tongue, has got something missing upstairs!
a.baker. I think you hit the nail on the head. It's not like a guy has to wear a 3 pc suit to church service. But their is some sort of decorum that should go with it. You need not look like you just walked off a construction site or something, when you personally know you can do better. You would dress better than on a date.
The tattoo thing. I don't know what the attraction is. In the last fear years there has been a real resurgence in tattoos. I used to think it was mostly the domain of bikers or war veterans and such, but now it seems like every ones into it. They kinda creep me out. I think in Deuteronomy or someplace it adresses the issue. I've read it before.
all the best...

[InTheWind]

You need not look like you just walked off a construction site or something, when you personally know you can do better


Key statement imo. :nod:

As far as tats, most now are doing it to worship their own body :(

[a.baker]

ITW that is right it is in a way turning into worshiping ones own body. Its like they are subconsciously making their body a personal temple or something for themselves. Same with the crazy piercings. I don't know if temple is a good way of describing it but I can't think of another word right now. And Kaygee I agree with what you said too. Part of being a Christian is the way we represent ourselves to the world in every aspect. Its important to God because He says so in the bible therefore it has to be important to us. We are His not our own.

[CoreIssue]

ITW nailed it well on tats.

If someone has one and becomes a Christian, so be it. But a Christian getting one is a whole other issue.

Yes, we must not be a negative image to the world, be it sexy or a slob.

As for tongue rings. Right on with you guys.

Dentists are fixing a lot of chipped teeth from them.

How one dresses depends on situations.

Church isn't about suits. But, in the world there are some places they are appropriate.

It can get complex when one moves past the basics.

[InTheWind]

My point also about dressing apropriatly in church is that if you own nothing but rags for cloths you should not be looked at like you shouldn`t be there either, but someone that knows they could look better and doesn`t i frown about.

[cbressler1976]

Tongue rings are meant for one purpose...and I am sure God wouldn't agree with that purpose.......
You know....what made me realize something was that tattoos are like worshiping your own body...I never thought of it like that....that would be bad....

[CoreIssue]

My point also about dressing apropriatly in church is that if you own nothing but rags for cloths you should not be looked at like you shouldn`t be there either, but someone that knows they could look better and doesn`t i frown about.
Agree.

[a.baker]

Sermon today at Church I found interesting because its what we are currently talking about here at the site. 1 Corinthians 6:19-20.

[Jessie]

most tatoos I see are on white people.(others have them too but in moderation) ...and boy one end of them to the other end.
and too I've noticed it is mostly mystical stuff too.

screws in their heads? wow, had one girl with those peircings come thru my line it was like a necklace on her but they were peircings....

and whats up with these weird hairstyles nowadays?
esp. on older wemon. sorry to harp on it. I had another one last night,
looked like she just got out of the beautyshop all fluffed, spray, but
it looked like they took a razor to it, uneven, and then one side was about 5 inches longer than the other..... I dont get it... it does'nt even look nice to spend money on that stuff.

[Jessie]

My point also about dressing apropriatly in church is that if you own nothing but rags for cloths you should not be looked at like you shouldn`t be there either, but someone that knows they could look better and doesn`t i frown about.
Agree.

one thing I'd like to say is that when I was younger, my family dressed well.
but I did'nt have much. so people would think I was not dressing right, when mom did'nt buy me clothes I needed. just a note.. sometimes its not all it seems in familys.

[kay-gee]

I'm a Canadian boy trying to adjust to life in the tropics. I find I gotta dress in relation to the climate. Most the week out here I'm dressed like Tarzan. When Sunday comes I love going that little extra. I even put on socks. ha ha. Usually a pair of Dockers, loafers, and a short sleeve button shirt. Usually cotton with a print. I feel good and yet can stand the excruciating heat before and after service. In Canada I enjoyed wearing a suit, but here just out of the question. I brought a couple along just in case. Wedding of funeral etc... I'm a bit of a clothes horse. I like looking good and I am able, but to some one who owns one set of clothes and lives in the bush, is a different matter. We have folks here like that. The Haitians. I would welcome them into our fellowship in a heart beat. At that point it is insignificant. That is the best I can explain it.
all the best...

[a.baker]

Yes it is insignificant as long as it doesn't destroy the body God has given us. When it comes to the talk of our bodies I am always thinking about how lucky I am to have a healthy fully working body. I don't pay attention to much other than that on my body like 5 lbs. gained I say so what. I am thankful so very thankful I have arms and legs that work, my 5 senses, I can see and hear and I can think, I have hair on my head , I have no current diseases, I have teeth to chew with and I can go as far to say I don't even have scars on my body, I could go on and on. I just feel so very lucky to have these things especially knowing any day I could lose a part of it. Thats a big reason why I feel like even though I may be pleasing to God with what I do with body and what it consumes I feel its not enough. I feel I have this body that could fulfill more of a purpose than it currently does. I never feel like I do enough. I feel I can never be fully pleasing to God in any aspect. Am I right or wrong on this? I am a human full of sin every day, we all are. But with God he won't let it consume us because He has mercy on us. Because and only because of Jesus. If it weren't for God I would be devoured by the wolves immediately.

[a.baker]

woops I lied. I have one scar from a c-section but it has almost completely disappeared. You have to look hard to see it anymore. TMI... too much information :)

[kay-gee]

Enjoy it while you can. In about 20 years from now you will begin to notice a big difference. I really hate it. Now, I'm not decrepit and falling apart exactly. I'm in fairly good shape, but it seems that certain things take so much effort that 20 years ago would have been a breeze. I have to wear glasses to read too. That started about a year ago. It's something you feel just gradually coming on and it can kinda depress you. I've always had Peter Pan syndrome. Wanting to stay forever young. I realize now I can't. But I insist on remaining youthful in spirit. The summer with the kids taught me some things.
all the best...

[CoreIssue]

Yep.

All the beats and bangs add up and catch up to you eventually.

Believe me. I know, I am there.

[cbressler1976]

Enjoy it while you can. In about 20 years from now you will begin to notice a big difference. I really hate it. Now, I'm not decrepit and falling apart exactly. I'm in fairly good shape, but it seems that certain things take so much effort that 20 years ago would have been a breeze. I have to wear glasses to read too. That started about a year ago. It's something you feel just gradually coming on and it can kinda depress you. I've always had Peter Pan syndrome. Wanting to stay forever young. I realize now I can't. But I insist on remaining youthful in spirit. The summer with the kids taught me some things.
all the best...


lolololol....:roflmbo:
Try having 2 kids.....my first kid I was fine....the 2nd....everything's south....and I am just now 20 months later almost at my prepreg size...and since I had 2 c-sections my scar isn't going anywhere!!

[kay-gee]

Your 30's should be the best years of your life really. Get out and do as many things as you can do. Have a ball. By the late 40's you gotta start keeping one eye on the gas gauge! Ha ha
all the best...

[a.baker]

Kaygee Ha Ha I can already see changes in my body a little. I have a little while till I am 30. I think these years and most of the energy will be dedicated on my work and family and others. I want to be one of those people who are 70 and still have energy! The idea is to stay busy with something so I don't have a chance to think about my age; just to stay active and involved in something; but not too much, because than I will become more tired more quickly. Much of it does depend on how I treat my health now which I would say I don't do too bad. I could eat more veggies! I will also need to always keep a youthful spirit even if I have a day where I don't feel like it. That should keep me going.

[cbressler1976]

Your 30's should be the best years of your life really. Get out and do as many things as you can do. Have a ball. By the late 40's you gotta start keeping one eye on the gas gauge! Ha ha
all the best...

lol...but I have two boys...chasing after them will remind you that you aren't a teen anymore...and pregnancies are hard on a body...my grandma lived til' she was 94....i don't want to live that long....my dad lived til' he was 62....i probably want to live til I am 70 and that's it...

[kay-gee]

70 is not really all that old anymore. Barring real serious health issues, folks can still be pretty active through their 70's, and mentally alert and everything!
all the best...

[CoreIssue]

70 is not really all that old anymore. Barring real serious health issues, folks can still be pretty active through their 70's, and mentally alert and everything!
all the best...
True for a lot.

80 is when the kids really start having problems with the denials about decline, especially memory and driving. :not:

[a.baker]

I would say getting into the 90's is old. Depends on the persons health a lot. You see people who are like 60 that act like they are so old and about to die and it's like common give me a break! You could live 30 or 40 more years thats a 3rd. left to go.

[a.baker]

Many 70 year olds are very hip and vibrant! Thats my plan... just stay involved and active. A lot of it is in your mind too. Your only as old as you feel (saying).

[tjking]

Many 70 year olds are very hip and vibrant! Thats my plan... just stay involved and active. A lot of it is in your mind too. Your only as old as you feel (saying).
I AGREE the things we think and speak we have benefits in GOD. PS 103;2-5

[CoreIssue]

:nod:

[tjking]

:nod:
PRO 18;21

[tjking]

:nod:
1 CORUINTHIANS 11

[a.baker]

tjking I am a little confused on what you mean.

[tjking]

:nod:
PRO 18;21
OK I AM BACK TO 1 CORINTHINAS 11 . BACK WHEN I FIRST GOT MARRIED I LOVE READING THAT TO MY WIFE.:yowza:I THINK NOW SHE HELP ME TO HAVEA BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF IT:swoon:HA HA JUST HAVING A LITTLE FUN:aah:

[CoreIssue]

No problem. Enjoy. :D

[gerald]

Hi everyone I'm new to this forum.

In 1 Corinthians 11
The first part is showing me a order in the body of Christ. The way you present yourself shows the position you hold. Be it short hair the covering of your head. By doing this we are showing submission to that position which we hold.All positions are important be it male or female.Each position should edify the other and God. Would this be a correct line of thought?
The second part I could use help with concerning the Lords supper.Can you explain this scripture to me
27Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. I can never conceder myself worthy.
In Gods Love
Gerald

[tjking]

Hi everyone I'm new to this forum.

In 1 Corinthians 11
The first part is showing me a order in the body of Christ. The way you present yourself shows the position you hold. Be it short hair the covering of your head. By doing this we are showing submission to that position which we hold.All positions are important be it male or female.Each position should edify the other and God. Would this be a correct line of thought?
The second part I could use help with concerning the Lords supper.Can you explain this scripture to me
27Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. I can never conceder myself worthy.
In Gods Love
Gerald THIS COULD MEAN IN A UNWORTHILY WAY 1COR;11;20 THEY WAS NOT WAITING ON EACH OTHER 1COR11;21 SOME OF THEM WAS GETING DRUNK 1COR11;27 ARE THEY SIN IN YOUR LIFE? HAVE YOU ASK THE LORD TO FORGIVE YOU? DO YOU BELIEVE HE WILL? 1 JOHN 1;7- 10 MY THOUGHTS TRY TO TELL ME I WAS NOT SAVED AND NOT WORTHY BUT THE WORD TELLS ME. IF I HAVE A SIN. IF I CONCONFESS IT IT WILL CLEANSE ME FROM ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS/.. IF I FOR GIVE OTHERS HE FORGIVE ME... I SPEAK TO MY FEELIMGS AND THOUGHT THE WORD OF GOD... JESUS WHAT MAKE US WORTHY.IF I DO WHAT THE WORD SAY I GOING TO BELIVIED IT NOT MY FEELING OR THOUGHTS ..I DONT WANT YOU TO GIVE ME A ANSWER TO THE QUESTIONS. JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT HOPE THIS HELP IN SOME WAY. IF WE ARE SINING WE NEED TO STOP. DONT GET ME WRONG I NOT SAY YOU ARE

[gerald]

Thanks Tjking
That was very helpful. Sometimes it's easier said than done.If I believe in Jesus I must believe he has forgiven me and made me worthy. If I examine myself and repent Jesus will forgive me. That pulls it together for me. Thanks again.
In Gods Love
Jerry

[tjking]

Thanks Tjking
That was very helpful. Sometimes it's easier said than done.If I believe in Jesus I must believe he has forgiven me and made me worthy. If I examine myself and repent Jesus will forgive me. That pulls it together for me. Thanks again.
In Gods Love
Jerry
THATS TRUE THAT ONE REASON IT IS GOOD TO SPEAK THE WORD TO OUR THOUGHTS AND FEELINGS. WE GOT TO GET THE WORD IN OUR MIND . THEN IN OUR HEART AND THEN SPEAK IT. THERE IS POWER IN THAT AND IT WILL CHANGE THINGS AROUND US. AND IT WILL CHANGE US.

[Jessie]

most only speak what they want to hear.

[a.baker]

Oh boy, I can agree with that one!