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[Jessie]

ok on RF they are having this discussion of the falling away meaning the rapture.
to me its a "literal falling away" from sound doctrine.

The Meaning of Apostasia
The Greek noun apostasia is only used twice in the New Testament. In addition to 2 Thessalonians 2:3 (http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=KJV&passage=2+Thessalonians+2%3A3), it occurs in Acts 21:21 (http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=KJV&passage=Acts+21%3A21) where, speaking of Paul, it is said, "that you are teaching all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake (apostasia)Moses." The word is a Greek compound of apo " from" and istemi "stand." Thus, it has the core meaning of "away from" or "departure." The Liddell and Scott Greek Lexicon defines apostasia first as "defection, revolt;" then secondly as "departure, disappearance."[1] Gordon Lewis explains how the verb from which the noun apostasia is derived supports the basic meaning of departure in the following

that is something that was posted. they are trying to go to the core meaning.
but when I read it I dont see this.

[CoreIssue]

ok on RF they are having this discussion of the falling away meaning the rapture.
to me its a "literal falling away" from sound doctrine.

The Meaning of Apostasia
The Greek noun apostasia is only used twice in the New Testament. In addition to 2 Thessalonians 2:3 (http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=KJV&passage=2+Thessalonians+2%3A3), it occurs in Acts 21:21 (http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=KJV&passage=Acts+21%3A21) where, speaking of Paul, it is said, "that you are teaching all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake (apostasia)Moses." The word is a Greek compound of apo " from" and istemi "stand." Thus, it has the core meaning of "away from" or "departure." The Liddell and Scott Greek Lexicon defines apostasia first as "defection, revolt;" then secondly as "departure, disappearance."[1] Gordon Lewis explains how the verb from which the noun apostasia is derived supports the basic meaning of departure in the following

that is something that was posted. they are trying to go to the core meaning.
but when I read it I dont see this.
The Falling Away, or Great Apostacy, means when there is world wide unified falling away from God.

Always has been apostacy in the world. But never universal before. Never where if allowed to continue all would depart from God, with time.

[Jessie]

just what I thought. they are trying to spin it that its a term for the rapture.
like using the core meaning of departure. (like being raptured out) instead of it being a departure from the Lord.


and that just does'nt make sense at all.

[CoreIssue]

Harpazo is the Greek word that means snatched away/taken away by force.

The Latin translation is where the word Rapture comes from.

[Jessie]

:): thanks!

[Kinnan]

ok on RF they are having this discussion of the falling away meaning the rapture.
to me its a "literal falling away" from sound doctrine.

The Meaning of Apostasia
The Greek noun apostasia is only used twice in the New Testament. In addition to 2 Thessalonians 2:3 (http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=KJV&passage=2+Thessalonians+2%3A3), it occurs in Acts 21:21 (http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=KJV&passage=Acts+21%3A21) where, speaking of Paul, it is said, "that you are teaching all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake (apostasia)Moses." The word is a Greek compound of apo " from" and istemi "stand." Thus, it has the core meaning of "away from" or "departure." The Liddell and Scott Greek Lexicon defines apostasia first as "defection, revolt;" then secondly as "departure, disappearance."[1] Gordon Lewis explains how the verb from which the noun apostasia is derived supports the basic meaning of departure in the following

that is something that was posted. they are trying to go to the core meaning.
but when I read it I dont see this.
The Falling Away, or Great Apostacy, means when there is world wide unified falling away from God.


That statement is just flat out wrong.
It's not about "the world" falling away from God, simply because the whole world doesn't believe in the God of the Bible.

The falling away happens to God's people; ie, the House of Israel.
In fact ALL end-time scriptures are about the House of Israel and the condition they are in at the end of the age. Most importantly it's about their relationship with the man of sin; son of perdition.

[Chrystalwuzhere]

That statement is just flat out wrong.
It's not about "the world" falling away from God, simply because the whole world doesn't believe in the God of the Bible.


He meant the church throughout the world. Wherever there is belief in the God of the Bible throughout the world, there will be a falling away, or departure from the true faith. That was the understood meaning of Core's post, Kinnan.

[CoreIssue]

OK, backing up and rephrasing.

Yes, it is about the Church falling away.

No, it is not about the AC relationship with Israel.

Yes, it is about the world falling even farther away from God than it already was.

Israel has already been apostate for millennia.

[Kinnan]

That statement is just flat out wrong.
It's not about "the world" falling away from God, simply because the whole world doesn't believe in the God of the Bible.


He meant the church throughout the world. Wherever there is belief in the God of the Bible throughout the world, there will be a falling away, or departure from the true faith. That was the understood meaning of Core's post, Kinnan.

Nope, it's not about Christians of all nations, it's about Christian members of "the House of Israel". These would be Christians of "European descent". They are described as "the ten kings" in Daniel 7:24.

To be even more precise, the apostasy; or "falling away" in 11Thes.2 is a reference to the apostasy which occurs in the churches of the European "Americans".

[cbressler1976]

:scratch:ok on RF they are having this discussion of the falling away meaning the rapture.
to me its a "literal falling away" from sound doctrine.

The Meaning of Apostasia
The Greek noun apostasia is only used twice in the New Testament. In addition to 2 Thessalonians 2:3 (http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=KJV&passage=2+Thessalonians+2%3A3), it occurs in Acts 21:21 (http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=KJV&passage=Acts+21%3A21) where, speaking of Paul, it is said, "that you are teaching all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake (apostasia)Moses." The word is a Greek compound of apo " from" and istemi "stand." Thus, it has the core meaning of "away from" or "departure." The Liddell and Scott Greek Lexicon defines apostasia first as "defection, revolt;" then secondly as "departure, disappearance."[1] Gordon Lewis explains how the verb from which the noun apostasia is derived supports the basic meaning of departure in the following

that is something that was posted. they are trying to go to the core meaning.
but when I read it I dont see this.

Where do they get rapture out of that??? I see it as meaning the people are no longer believing....
:scratch:

[Chrystalwuzhere]

That statement is just flat out wrong.
It's not about "the world" falling away from God, simply because the whole world doesn't believe in the God of the Bible.


He meant the church throughout the world. Wherever there is belief in the God of the Bible throughout the world, there will be a falling away, or departure from the true faith. That was the understood meaning of Core's post, Kinnan.

Nope, it's not about Christians of all nations, it's about Christian members of "the House of Israel". These would be Christians of "European descent". They are described as "the ten kings" in Daniel 7:24.

To be even more precise, the apostasy; or "falling away" in 11Thes.2 is a reference to the apostasy which occurs in the churches of the European "Americans".

Jessie is a learner who had a question. And cbressler is also participating in this thread as well. So, no debating here. If you want to discuss this, Kinnan, open a new thread.

I'm not trying to tell you that you can't debate your points, but there have been times people have asked questions and had their threads completely derailed with debate. So please start another thread to discuss your points. Don't do it here.

Thank you. :):

[Chrystalwuzhere]

I'm moving this thread to the protected forum.