Juanita Bynum to Divorce

[Chrystalwuzhere]

Here's another one... and Juanita Bynum calls herself a prophetess! Remember her lavish and expensive vulgar wedding a couple of years ago? So much for that, huh?

For 'prophetess' of true romance, marriage a mess

With each sheet she wrapped around her body that day, the crowd roared for "Prophetess" Juanita Bynum.

At the singles' conference, sponsored by fellow evangelist T.D. Jakes, Bynum spoke to her audience in plain, smoky-nightclub language about her battle with the flesh and her longing for a husband. The bedsheets represented all the empty sex she'd had with men.

"Why am I not married?" she cried. "But I find it very difficult to listen to
anybody preach to me about being single when they got a pair of thighs in [their] bed every night ... and you keep telling me to 'Hold on, honey, stay there by yourself' ... and you goin' home to big old muscles and thighs? ... I wanna hear 'hold on' from somebody that knows my struggle!"

Her sermon that day in 1997 culminated with what she said was a dropping of the sheets, signaling that she was repentant, done with premarital sex and ready for a man delivered by none other than the Holy Ghost.

"I don't wanna be disillusioned, I want a man of God, a praying man ... a man that loves his mama and respects his sisters. ... Say 'Yeah!' " she hollered.

The predominantly female audience hollered back.

To understand the powerful appeal of Juanita Bynum as a leading Pentecostal figure, one has to look back to that moment. And perhaps to understand why the alleged beating she took from her estranged husband last week in a hotel parking lot seemed to shock her legions of fans, one has to look back to the "No More Sheets" sermon.

From that expression of yearning she has built a vast, lucrative ministry based on the dueling notions of need and empowerment: Women need to be strong, self-respecting and self-sufficient, but only in doing so will they attract a heaven-sent man.

Her marriage to Bishop Thomas W. Weeks seemed, at least on the surface, to be a literal testimony to that. Though both pastored their own churches, they founded and co-pastored Global Destiny Church in Duluth.

But now that Weeks is charged with aggravated assault and making terroristic threats against Bynum, some of her fans are being taught a lesson about fairy tales, some say.

"It's a very romantic notion, but the romance rarely matches the reality," said Renita Weems, former Cosby professor of humanities at Spelman and an ordained minister.

Her 'life is her message'

Bynum, 48, was born in Chicago and reared in the charismatic Church of God in Christ, a denomination that has a history of female evangelists. She married in her early 20s but within a few years divorced.

After years of moving from being a beautician to a Pan Am flight attendant to joblessness and food stamps, she came into the Pentecostal ministry herself. Her messages drew from her struggles as a single black woman trying to find a "good brother" in the 1990s.

At the time it was a lament that fueled such books as Terry McMillan's "Waiting to Exhale," Pearl Cleages' "What Seems Like Crazy on an Ordinary Day" and dozens of articles in black women's magazines. The statistics seemed to echo their concern: in 1996 on the eve of "No More Sheets," nearly a fifth of all black women between 40 and 44 had never been married.

Then, in stepped Bynum with her blunt, down-to-earth and at times raw sermon, which was later released on VHS by Jakes' ministry.

"I wouldn't say her preaching or her theology is revolutionary, it's actually conservative and fundamental from her interpretation of the Bible," Weems said. "But living a promiscuous life, it's not that women haven't heard that message, it's just they're not accustomed to women in ministry admitting to that in the pulpit."

Weems and other clergy and observers say Bynum took a page from the marketing book of male mega-church ministers such as Jakes, who was on the cover of Time magazine under the headline "Is This Man the Next Billy Graham?"

Bynum began to write books and to record CDs, and as her popularity grew, her sermons were picked up by the Trinity Broadcasting Network. Her church in Hempstead, N.Y., grew. Her faith-based conferences across the country drew thousands.

"Juanita's life is her message," said Valerie Bridgeman Davis, associate professor of Hebrew Bible and homiletics at Memphis Theological Seminary.

"From the purely rhetorical perspective, the sister can tell a story. She can weave the biblical text into the human story. Jakes does this well too, providing a hope that's beyond an ordinary hope, it's a God-laden hope. You hook them into believing it's a story about them." Once the audience is hooked, "you'll buy their book, you'll buy their CDs and you'll show up wherever they are," Bridgeman Davis said.

Yet Bridgeman Davis and other clergy say they believe Bynum is genuine in her message. Her fans agree.

Renee Mayo, 49, of Atlanta has followed Bynum's career for years. She still has a VHS copy of "Sheets," and for a time got her hair done at the same Atlanta salon as Bynum.
Mayo, who is single, said some evenings after work she'll come home and watch one of Bynum's sermons on TBN.

"Something she'll say will stand out as though she's speaking to me," Mayo said. "I've been in a relationship before where I've been hurt too. I can feel she has an anointing. She's changed a lot of lives."

A celebrity couple

So when Bynum announced she would marry the lesser-known Weeks, to her fans it seemed the fulfillment of her word.

It was the sort of New York wedding that made Star Jones' seem modest: an orchestra, a billowing white veil, a crystal-encrusted gown, a wedding party that numbered in the scores, a diamond ring that hovered around 8 carats. Bynum has said the entire event, which was televised on TBN, cost more than $1 million.

The wedding seemed then like a coda to "Sheets." Here was a Christian woman who'd admitted to sleeping around and living off men, but who turned her life around by being obedient to God and the reward for obedience was a God-fearing and God-preaching man.

For her legions of fans, it seemed the ultimate if-I-can-do-it-you-can-too moment. Particularly in the evangelical community, they became a celebrity couple, the Bishop and the Prophetess.

But marriage between two pastors is rarely a fairy tale, said the Rev. Cynthia L. Hale, pastor of Ray of Hope Christian Church in Decatur. There is always the subtle competition to see who gets the most amens, she said. And in recent years, it was whispered among clergy that there was tension in the Bynum-Weeks union.

"In our profession you're only as good as your last sermon," Hale said. "And Juanita is very gifted. So there's a lot of ego involved. Who's preaching better? Who's got the attention of the people. The question is, who is THE pastor?"

On Friday, Hale said, she got a call from one of her female congregants, upset over what happened to Bynum in the parking lot. Hale said she gently explained that while it was fine to appreciate an individual for their gift, exalting the person can only lead to disappointment.

The Rev. Lisa Rhodes, dean of Sisters Chapel at Spelman, said the episode may be as stark a message to Bynum's following as "Sheets," that even women in the church deal with violence against them from the men they love. And that staying in those relationships is not healthy.

But Hale said she thinks that when Bynum resurfaces, this moment will be turned into another pivotal sermon. (Mmm-hmmmm.... another angle to earn another few million dollars from. Just wait and see!)

"Oh, she's going to come back," Hale said. "This will give her another connection to women; now that they know she's experienced difficulty as a married woman; that will speak volumes to women who've been there." (Oh, brother! Isn't it amazing what people will swallow?)

http://www.ajc.com/gwinnett/content/metro/gwinnett/stories/2007/08/25/bynum_0826.html

[CoreIssue]

:laugh: The ones I was thinking of in my mention on the other thread. :D

[a.baker]

What exactly did her husband do to her in he parking lot? Just curious. And who are these two people preaching for; God or themselves? O.K. relating some stories is o.k. I guess to help others understand Gods message a little easier but its not o.k. for someone to get too personal. You can talk about situations in general but when it gets personal than thats between the two people and God. That can turn into gossip or bad talking behind someones back. It can also lead to so many other problems when you start doing that and it would not make God happy. Is that woman trying to say that women should be more independent? Being strong for God is good but being strong to go against Gods original creation of purpose of a womans role and a mans role is not good. Some people like to say "I am only human" and with them saying this makes it sound like whatever they did is o.k. and justified because they are human with sin. Having that attitude will lead to trouble. Yes we still sin as Christians but there is a difference when it comes to what our knowledge is of His Word and the control we have over our actions compared to "I am only human" attitude. Maybe these two people just need a time out. :scratch: Am I wrong on this?

[Chrystalwuzhere]

She's part of the so-called "christian woman's suffrage" movement in the church. The empowerment of christian women. I called them christian women's libbers. It's a blight on the church, and goes against the natural order of family set forth in God's word.

[a.baker]

Yeah why does she think that women have it so hard? Aren't we all faced with difficulties every day man, woman, child? Sure we all have it hard. Life isn't easy; but isn't the real suffering the weight a nonbeliever carries? Thats pretty universal. So is her message to say that women suffer extra just because they are female?

[Chrystalwuzhere]

It's really about women's empowerment.

[Jessie]

I'd bet they've had problems for a long time.

I think the wemons movement shes using is more about $$$ than anything else.

[a.baker]

I agree; more about money for her.

[lighthouse]

she is nothing more than a con artist
a cedntury ago people would have run her out of town

i know the woman
and she is just using her
''ministry'' to make money
bt barnun said.....

[lighthouse]

Bynum’s pleas for money on her show amount to “spiritual extortion,” Alnor says. “She focuses on the people struggling, living hand to mouth, and tells the poor to give to the rich. She’s the opposite of Robin Hood.”

Alnor is also among those who criticize Bynum’s 2002 televised wedding to Bishop Thomas W. Weeks III, pastor of the Global Destiny Church in Washington, D.C, at the Regent Wall Street Hotel in Manhattan.

Media reports said the ceremony featured a wedding party of 80, a gown with a bodice covered in crystals and a 7.76-carat diamond ring — a far cry from their private ceremony a year earlier at Las Vegas City Hall.

Bynum had waited all her life to have a fairy-tale wedding, she says. “It started out with a $500,000 budget, and then it just started growing like the blob,” she says, adding, “I didn’t think it robbery to celebrate my day.”

She says she doesn’t put much stock in what her critics say. “It’s just not important,” she says, adding, “If you talk about me, and you don’t talk to me, then that’s too low for me. I can’t come to that level.”
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/595-juanita-bynum

[lighthouse]

Article written By:Charles Sebold of Living Torah Ministries

A toothache and sore throat are keeping us up late tonight, so we idly switched over to TBN to see what was going on in the world of wacky word-faith. There’s Juanita Bynum in a white robe, surrounded by men and women dressed all in black. Some interesting notes:

“You need to send a thousand dollars. If you can’t send a thousand, send five hundred… if all you have is a nickel, wrap it in tissue and put it in an envelope. If all you have is your clothes, send them.”
“If you want the power, you have to sow the seed [clearly referring to sending her money in context].” (See Acts 8 below.)
“We’re going together into a spirit of wealth.”
“Last night, you sowed to your ability. Tonight, you sow beyond your ability.”
“‘I need [to give] because I need favor. I need it because I need an anointing. I need it because I need power.’” (Her speaking for the people who give to her tonight.)
“‘I’m giving because I want my daughters to be daughters of Zion.’” (Again speaking for those who are giving to her.)
“You’ve got three days to get that into your mailbox. I’m not afraid to say this. I am walking in my authority… if you don’t postmark it by the tenth, we will not accept it. [I’d like confirmation of that.] God says you have three days to get your thousand-dollar seed in the mail.”
“Give it to me and you will live. Give it to me and you will have more than enough.” (She claims to be speaking for the Lord, actually.)
“If all you have is $79.36, I double-dare you to empty your bank account. Close your account.”
Compare Acts 8:

Now when Simon saw that the Spirit was bestowed through the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them money, saying, “Give this authority to me as well, so that everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit.” But Peter said to him, “May your silver perish with you, because you thought you could obtain the gift of God with money! You have no part or portion in this matter, for your heart is not right before God. Therefore repent of this wickedness of yours, and pray the Lord that, if possible, the intention of your heart may be forgiven you. For I see that you are in the gall of bitterness and in the bondage of iniquity.”

[Jessie]

Article written By:Charles Sebold of Living Torah Ministries

A toothache and sore throat are keeping us up late tonight, so we idly switched over to TBN to see what was going on in the world of wacky word-faith. There’s Juanita Bynum in a white robe, surrounded by men and women dressed all in black. Some interesting notes:

“You need to send a thousand dollars. If you can’t send a thousand, send five hundred… if all you have is a nickel, wrap it in tissue and put it in an envelope. If all you have is your clothes, send them.”
“If you want the power, you have to sow the seed [clearly referring to sending her money in context].” (See Acts 8 below.)
“We’re going together into a spirit of wealth.”
“Last night, you sowed to your ability. Tonight, you sow beyond your ability.”
“‘I need [to give] because I need favor. I need it because I need an anointing. I need it because I need power.’” (Her speaking for the people who give to her tonight.)
“‘I’m giving because I want my daughters to be daughters of Zion.’” (Again speaking for those who are giving to her.)
“You’ve got three days to get that into your mailbox. I’m not afraid to say this. I am walking in my authority… if you don’t postmark it by the tenth, we will not accept it. [I’d like confirmation of that.] God says you have three days to get your thousand-dollar seed in the mail.”
“Give it to me and you will live. Give it to me and you will have more than enough.” (She claims to be speaking for the Lord, actually.)
“If all you have is $79.36, I double-dare you to empty your bank account. Close your account.”
Compare Acts 8:

Now when Simon saw that the Spirit was bestowed through the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them money, saying, “Give this authority to me as well, so that everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit.” But Peter said to him, “May your silver perish with you, because you thought you could obtain the gift of God with money! You have no part or portion in this matter, for your heart is not right before God. Therefore repent of this wickedness of yours, and pray the Lord that, if possible, the intention of your heart may be forgiven you. For I see that you are in the gall of bitterness and in the bondage of iniquity.”

takes a lot of nerve to take ones last nickel or have them close their bank account.

and so that one might live? their god is the god of greed. no way does one want to serve that thing. WHAT BONDAGE!

[mrodge20]

For everyone who has talked against Juanita Bynum, this is truly a woman of God and if you claim to know God you would know this. Continue to talk against her and you will find your life upside down. I advise you to repent to God for speaking against his daughter. You can not put your mouth on a child of God and think it is ok. You can't see God in her because you obviously don't have him in you and are just religious. I stronglu advise you to repent and stop talking against her. God has sent my words as a warning.

[lighthouse]

http://healtheland.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/to-all-defenders-of-juanita-bynum-benny-hinn-joel-osteen-td-jakes-and-other-false-preachers-the-cult-of-do-not-judge/

To All Defenders Of Juanita Bynum, Benny Hinn, Joel Osteen, TD Jakes, And Other False Preachers: The Cult Of “Do Not Judge”



The cult of “Do not Judge”

This article is being written on behalf of all the ministries and people that defend the faith with the truth and are accused of judging because they test those who teach falsely with the Word of God.

The premise-Does God tell us not to judge?
The Bibles answer-No He does not.

John 7:24 Jesus says: “Do not judge according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment.” What Jesus does tell us is not to judge by our own opinions, but instead judge by the word of God, that is what it means to judge righteously. He always encouraged the people to judge




What is ironic is that to tell people they are judgmental is to judge them. What people are doing is recommending for us not to judge by the word of God, but dispense with any discernment, just like they do it.


What I have found is very few challenge back quoting from the Bible to prove their position. Rarely do they say this person does not teach this or you misunderstood, he really means this. What they argue is just don’t test it, or don’t say this because I know such and such for years and they are doing great things for God. That’s judging isn’t it? And it is done by appearance. Then when this does not work they will respond by calling names and threatening people using Bible cliché’s as “don’t judge” “don’t touch God’s anointed,” “do my prophets no harm,” etc., all taken out of context. If they were to think biblically they would realize we are all anointed, not just some, and to come against another brother or sister that is trying to obey Scripture means they too are coming against God’s anointed. Everyone in the body of Christ is anointed; nonetheless what someone teaches is to be tested. How do we know this? Paul commended the Thessalonians for doing so, even when it was Paul himself that was being examined by Scripture (Acts 17:11).That is a right Spirit.

[CoreIssue]

For everyone who has talked against Juanita Bynum, this is truly a woman of God and if you claim to know God you would know this. Continue to talk against her and you will find your life upside down. I advise you to repent to God for speaking against his daughter. You can not put your mouth on a child of God and think it is ok. You can't see God in her because you obviously don't have him in you and are just religious. I stronglu advise you to repent and stop talking against her. God has sent my words as a warning.
Calling us unsaved because we reject the cultic WoF?

I suggest your first pay attention to what lighthouse said. Then, if you think we are wrong, defend her with Biblical proof and backing.

We know God. We study the Bible.

Obviously you do not study, minimum.

And claiming you are a prophet of God demands you are to be tested. If true, heeded, if true rejected.

You are rejected.

Now, you want to say more? Back it and prove your case, with the Bible, apologize or be silent.

But do not question salvation or throw this 'do not touch my annoited' nonsense out again.

You crossed a line in one post I will not tolerate.

[Jessie]

For everyone who has talked against Juanita Bynum, this is truly a woman of God and if you claim to know God you would know this. Continue to talk against her and you will find your life upside down. I advise you to repent to God for speaking against his daughter. You can not put your mouth on a child of God and think it is ok. You can't see God in her because you obviously don't have him in you and are just religious. I stronglu advise you to repent and stop talking against her. God has sent my words as a warning.


what god???? not the one in the bible.

the god she serves takes ones last nickel penny or whatever for her benifit.

that god I will never have nothing to do with.

the god of greed.

read your bible. we dont pay for the true Gods blessings. NEVER.:grr:

[cbressler1976]

This doesn't really go with the conversation...but it makes me think of something...
I am a 30 year old woman and I am old school...i guess...
I have a hard time with women preachers....I think that preachers should be males....forgive me dear God if I am wrong...but I just don't think it is right....probably because the churches that I attended in my life had much older people in them...with different ideas...beliefs...

[a.baker]

Its not right and God talks against it in the bible. Preachers and/or teachers of His Word are to be men not women. Thats upright with Him to begin with. I also am a woman and I agree with you. I also agree with what lighthouse and coreissue has stated.

[kay-gee]

Way to go Core! I know you and I don't see eye to eye on many things, but I'm with you a hundred and ten on that!
It sounded to me like that poster was ready to cast a voodoo spell on anyone who had such nerve to diss their prophetess. The level of their deception is unbelievable!
all the best...

[Chrystalwuzhere]

For everyone who has talked against Juanita Bynum, this is truly a woman of God and if you claim to know God you would know this. Continue to talk against her and you will find your life upside down. I advise you to repent to God for speaking against his daughter. You can not put your mouth on a child of God and think it is ok. You can't see God in her because you obviously don't have him in you and are just religious. I stronglu advise you to repent and stop talking against her. God has sent my words as a warning.

There are so many violations in your post that I am tempted not to even post them. But, just for the sake of argument, and because I'm feeling froggy, the main reasons I'm within a hair's-breath of banning you are:

Judging other's salvation.
Adopting the "almighty prophet of God" attitude.
Threatening the posters of this board.
Because I'm feeling froggy!Hopefully you'll stick around and read the progression of this thread. We can build a big case why Juanita Bynum is a false prophet, and disciple of greed. But, that's up to you. But if you even sneeze or grunt, you're out of here.

Lighthouse posted an excellent post...let's see how you answer.

[Chrystalwuzhere]

This doesn't really go with the conversation...but it makes me think of something...
I am a 30 year old woman and I am old school...i guess...
I have a hard time with women preachers....I think that preachers should be males....forgive me dear God if I am wrong...but I just don't think it is right....probably because the churches that I attended in my life had much older people in them...with different ideas...beliefs...

cbressler...

I have been in several churches where women were preaching and/or pastors. Every single one of them were out of order and rife with doctrinal error. Every single one.

[Jessie]

This doesn't really go with the conversation...but it makes me think of something...
I am a 30 year old woman and I am old school...i guess...
I have a hard time with women preachers....I think that preachers should be males....forgive me dear God if I am wrong...but I just don't think it is right....probably because the churches that I attended in my life had much older people in them...with different ideas...beliefs...

cbressler...

I have been in several churches where women were preaching and/or pastors. Every single one of them were out of order and rife with doctrinal error. Every single one.


yep.

[Jessie]

For everyone who has talked against Juanita Bynum, this is truly a woman of God and if you claim to know God you would know this. Continue to talk against her and you will find your life upside down. I advise you to repent to God for speaking against his daughter. You can not put your mouth on a child of God and think it is ok. You can't see God in her because you obviously don't have him in you and are just religious. I stronglu advise you to repent and stop talking against her. God has sent my words as a warning.


I would like to go over this post.

they like to speak with authority, cause great fear.
everyone is to repent but the one held in high regard. no humility. no patience, no kindness, gentleness, its you DO OR DIE. (causing fear by speaking supposedly in the Lords name, and pronouncing curses on others if you do not go right along with them)

you are not allowed to think for yourself.

speaks harshly against anyone questioning even if this is a right thing.
(the Lord gave us a brain and expects us to use it regardless of what they want)

what the person like juanita has done is not open to question for them.
although what she says and does is totatly unbiblical.

so I say, just what god is this? although they claim the god of the bible,
I see another spirit, another gospel, another Jesus.

that does'nt look or act anything like the Jesus in the bible.

[Tijuania]

Okay I just think at this point and time if you are a person whom believes that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior and the he alone holds all of our future in his hands we need to start praying for all pastors, preachers, teachers, evangelists, bishops, apostles the whole body of christ because this is the last days that we are living in and the devils is out to seek whom he may devour and he attacks the church. Those of use whom are not strong need to pray and seek his guidance in this time. People need to start realizing and need to know how to arm themselves in this time. I am not saying its always the devil, but he attacks the minds of our pastors and we need to pray for them instead of gossiping. We need to uplift and keep them in our prays daily. Pray for the best and stop tearing down our preachers. I believe Mrs Bynum Weeks is giving her heart and soul in her messages to us so I pray the God restores homes and not allow negativity to inflict any harm to her family or any other ministers who are out there preaching the word of god.:pray:

[CoreIssue]

Okay I just think at this point and time if you are a person whom believes that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior and the he alone holds all of our future in his hands we need to start praying for all pastors, preachers, teachers, evangelists, bishops, apostles the whole body of christ because this is the last days that we are living in and the devils is out to seek whom he may devour and he attacks the church. Those of use whom are not strong need to pray and seek his guidance in this time. People need to start realizing and need to know how to arm themselves in this time. I am not saying its always the devil, but he attacks the minds of our pastors and we need to pray for them instead of gossiping. We need to uplift and keep them in our prays daily. Pray for the best and stop tearing down our preachers. I believe Mrs Bynum Weeks is giving her heart and soul in her messages to us so I pray the God restores homes and not allow negativity to inflict any harm to her family or any other ministers who are out there preaching the word of god.:pray:
She is not a Bible pastor.

She is into extreme error.

Just calling one pastor of God does not make them a pastor of God.

First of all, women are barred from holding authority over men, in the Church.

She is in error there.

WoF is an extreme error. Not Biblical at all.

Cult preachers and false religion preachers give their hearts into their messages, as well.

But error is error.

She does not qualify for the title of preacher.

Yes, I would pray for her. But no, I will not uplift her as a preacher.
2 Timothy 4:3 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=62&chapter=4&verse=3&version=31&context=verse)
For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
This applies to her and WoF, in general.

[lighthouse]

i need to reply here
I oncw was WOF
went to Benny Hinns 'church' in Orland
was licensed as a prophet from Christian International etc
but I had a good foundation/roots
so I finally left
WOF=cult
they brain wash you
and one of the best is Juanita

I once helped out in the back at the chuech I attended
and helped visting pastors
yes Juanita IS there ONLY to get your money
at this church
and i will relate only the one time
she was there more than once
she said she was not going to ask for money
she set it up that she was to have 3 meetings a day
10am 3pm 7pm
and expected the people to come to all the meetings
they did
then she did this 3 days straight
on friday at 7pm
she said ''god'' told her to have a meeting at 3am
yep
3am
and if the people did not show they would be cursed
they did not love 'god'

since i was in the back i could here her conversations between her staff and herself
they kept asking her about money
she said she was not ready yet
remember she had promised the pastor of this church she would not ask just get a love offering

ok so it is 3am on saturday morning
the place is packed

after an hour or so she starts to demand an offering or they do not love 'god' etc
she took up to 8 offerings
asked them to give their clothes
the pastor of that church although he was wof
told her to leave
never asked her back

she is a flim flam man

[kay-gee]

Fools and their money are soon parted!.....all the best...

[jlh868]

God does not want married couples to divorce. But it happens to the best of them. So we need to stop passing judgement on everyone. The Bible has various scriptures on do not judge. If we as Christians stop spending time on meaningless GOSSIP and pray for each we can defeat the devil together. Regardless of the situation Christians should not be put down by their own brothers and sisters in Christ. It is bad enough that we have to deal with the world scandelizing our name through the media. If We are truely men and women of God the Most High when one of us hurt we all should hurt. With that being said please let us try and have mercy on others more, especially if you don't know the whole situation.
Proverbs talks about this same thing. Thank you for your time Grace, Peace, and Mercy to all of Gods children. :tiphat:

[CoreIssue]

God does not want married couples to divorce. But it happens to the best of them. So we need to stop passing judgement on everyone. The Bible has various scriptures on do not judge.

It says do not judge those outside the Church and judge those within the Church.

And judge justly.

Do not judge is not Biblical.
If we as Christians stop spending time on meaningless GOSSIP
That is a judgement on your part. Hmmm.

It isn't Gossip. It is taking facts and judging them justly as to if the merits of this woman claiming to be a Christian preacher.

She is not.
and pray for each we can defeat the devil together.
He preaches unsound doctrine. Her problem.

She is reaping the fruits of that. Her fault.
Regardless of the situation Christians should not be put down by their own brothers and sisters in Christ.
Is she? Chasing money and preaching false doctrine.
It is bad enough that we have to deal with the world scandelizing our name through the media.
Her kind bring it down upon the heads of all Christians.

She is part of the problem we have.
If We are truely men and women of God the Most High when one of us hurt we all should hurt.
She is a false teacher. So she is not a 'true' woman of God.

With that being said please let us try and have mercy on others more, especially if you don't know the whole situation.

We know she is a money chaser and false teacher.
Proverbs talks about this same thing. Thank you for your time Grace, Peace, and Mercy to all of Gods children. :tiphat:
Is this a group effort by her supporters or staff?

We have this sudden influx of her backers. Several others have joined, but are yet to post.

The issue is she a Child of God? Or a preacher of false doctrine to those with itching ears we are warned about in the Bible?

We are not told to embrace such, but reject them.

[cbressler1976]

Reminds me of when Jesus got mad and said that His Father's house is a house of prayer, but you made it into a den of thieves!! They kind of resemble those people.... sad....

[jlh868]

I thought that this was a Christian web site but it seems to be an anti Juanita web site. I am not a part of any staff but the body of Christ. If I offended you forgive me. Some people hate to give money and maybe that is Gods way of showing who you really are. I don't care what anybody says, I will only give what God lays on my heart to give. Now, I see that you use scripture to benefit yourself and justify what you are talking about. Their are many scriptures that talks against judging. In the scripture you are talking about in Corinthians it talks about Christians having problems among each other. It tells us to not to go to a worldly court but settle it among the saintsin the church. Furthurmore, in 1Corinthians 4:3-5 Paul says, 3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you or by a human court.[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=53&chapter=4&version=50#fen-NKJV-28431a)] In fact, I do not even judge myself. 4 For I know of nothing against myself, yet I am not justified by this; but He who judges me is the Lord. 5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes, who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness and reveal the counsels of the hearts. Then each one’s praise will come from God.... Even better than that in Luke 6:37 Jesus says, "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.....In John 8:15-16 Jesus says,
15You judge by human standards; I pass judgment on no one. 16But if I do judge, my decisions are right, because I am not alone. I stand with the Father, who sent me. I have watched many of her sermons and I have not once heard false doctrine. I did not see the sermon that you are speaking about. I have never seen her add to or take away from the word of God. Have you ever heard her say anything other than the money sermon in which you can say that she is a false prophet. I have seen that in this forum. Look in the mirror before talking about someone else. Ask yourself two questions, Am I saved? Do I draw others to Christ with my walk, or do I turn them away? Have I ever said anything that I had to repent to God for? If she sinned against God she have to repent to Jesus not man.

[cbressler1976]

I have watched many of her sermons and I have not once heard false doctrine. I did not see the sermon that you are speaking about. I have never seen her add to or take away from the word of God. Have you ever heard her say anything other than the money sermon in which you can say that she is a false prophet. I have seen that in this forum. Look in the mirror before talking about someone else. Ask yourself two questions, Am I saved? Do I draw others to Christ with my walk, or do I turn them away? Have I ever said anything that I had to repent to God for? If she sinned against God she have to repent to Jesus not man.

I am not God....so I truly do not know what is in her heart....neither do you...but it just worries me when the subject of money comes up....and I have a hard time with women being leaders in a church....I believe that men are supposed to lead churches...I also have a hard time because nonbelievers see her and tell me people like her are the reason they don't believe in Jesus....now, if I am wrong...please God forgive me...but I have to make decisions...so that I can stay away from wrong teachings...but if you feel that her teachings are correct...then that is between you and God..only God knows
%100 who is right/wrong...

[a.baker]

Matthew 24:10-14, Matthew 24:23-26. Yes we must watch out for false and we must ask questions when it seems to go against His Word. It is said in the bible that many will claim to be teaching in His name but are false and we need to watch out for these ones because there will be many. Just like when Jesus talks about the end of times that there will be someone out in the dessert claiming to be Him and they will show miraculous signs and we are told to see through this and not go. O.k. an extreme example but there will be many false prophets and prophetess and such that will help lead up to this point. We must keep our eyes only on His Word and if we see someone teaching false than yes we must reject it. Hope that helps.

[jlh868]

We have to study to show ourselves approved a workman rightly dividing the word of truth. If anyone is teaching false doctrine I will know in time because I study and I serve a God that will let me know in my spirit. There is nothing God will withhold from us if we have a strong desire to know the truth and seek the truth. We all have made mistakes and will continue to do so as long as we are in are fleshly temple, but we have to repent. Nice talking to you guys. God bless you and your family.

[Chrystalwuzhere]

God does not want married couples to divorce. But it happens to the best of them. So we need to stop passing judgement on everyone. The Bible has various scriptures on do not judge. If we as Christians stop spending time on meaningless GOSSIP and pray for each we can defeat the devil together. Regardless of the situation Christians should not be put down by their own brothers and sisters in Christ. It is bad enough that we have to deal with the world scandelizing our name through the media. If We are truely men and women of God the Most High when one of us hurt we all should hurt. With that being said please let us try and have mercy on others more, especially if you don't know the whole situation.
Proverbs talks about this same thing. Thank you for your time Grace, Peace, and Mercy to all of Gods children. :tiphat:

Before you come to this forum accusing people of partaking in meaningless gossip, you need to look at who you're talking to first. That won't be tolerated here, so tread carefully. And that is a warning.

Not correcting false doctrine is going against scripture. I challenge you to show me ANYWHERE IN GOD'S WORD that he says not to name those who are teaching false doctrine. Show me, please.

Janita Bynum is first and foremost a false prophet. She is also a teacher of false doctrine, which the Bible is strict on.

Do you think errant doctrine is to be let go with no correction?

[Chrystalwuzhere]

I thought that this was a Christian web site but it seems to be an anti Juanita web site.

I love Juanita Bynum...her doctrine I deplore. I wish for her to turn from her wicked ways and turn to the truth of God's Word.

Have you ever heard her say anything other than the money sermon in which you can say that she is a false prophet.

Here are a few Juanita Bynum quotes just for the sake of argument:

“If you want the power, you have to sow the seed [clearly referring to sending her money in context].” (So, to obtain God's anointing, you have to PAY for it? Show me that in the Bible and I'll believe it.)

“We’re going together into a spirit of wealth.” (Show me where scripture mentions Christians having the "spirit of wealth." Is that a work of the Holy Spirit? If so, show me where.)

“Last night, you sowed to your ability. Tonight, you sow beyond your ability.” (Juanita Bynum instructing people to give beyond their ability...in other words, give money they haven't got. Not only is she fleecing them for their money, she wants them to give money they can't afford.)

“‘I need [to give] because I need favor. I need it because I need an anointing. I need it because I need power.’” (Do you need to give money to obtain favor with God? Do you need to give money to get God's anointing? Read what happened to Simon the Sorcerer for trying to buy the power of God.)

“‘I’m giving because I want my daughters to be daughters of Zion.’” (I'm a child of God the moment of salvation. I don't have to give money for that.)

“You’ve got three days to get that into your mailbox. I’m not afraid to say this. I am walking in my authority… if you don’t postmark it by the tenth, we will not accept it. God says you have three days to get your thousand-dollar seed in the mail.” (False prophet!!! Speaking in the name of God and saying He said that these folks had three days to get their THOUSAND DOLLAR seed donation in the mail? Do you think God really, really, really said that? There's a false prophecy for you.)

“If all you have is $79.36, I double-dare you to empty your bank account. Close your account.” (Close their accounts and send it to her? Unbelievable! She's wanting to take their last penny!)

I have seen that in this forum. Look in the mirror before talking about someone else. Ask yourself two questions, Am I saved? Do I draw others to Christ with my walk, or do I turn them away?

You're banned. Questioning our salvation for being Bereans is not something we put up with here.

[Chrystalwuzhere]

Let's keep this discussion going. Let's see what the Word of God says about Juanita Bynum's doctrine.

Juanita Bynum said:

“If you want the power, you have to sow the seed [clearly referring to sending her money in context].”

“‘I need [to give] because I need favor. I need it because I need an anointing. I need it because I need power."

The Word of God says:


Acts 8:18-20:

18 Now when Simon saw that the Spirit was bestowed through the laying on of the apostles' hands, he offered them money,

19 saying, "Give this authority to me as well, so that everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit."

20 But Peter said to him, "May your silver perish with you, because you thought you could obtain the gift of God with money!

21 "You have no part or portion in this matter, for your heart is not right before God.

22 "Therefore repent of this wickedness of yours, and pray the Lord that if possible, the intention of your heart may be forgiven you.

23 "For I see that you are in the gall of bitterness and in the bondage of iniquity."


Simon sought to buy the gifts/power of God with money. We see above what Peter's answer to him was. Juanita Bynum is instructing her listeners to do the same thing that Simon the Sorceror did. You see what stern rebuke Simon got from Peter, yet she is instructing people to do the same thing that Simon was strongly rebuked for.

Peter told Simon that his heart was not right before God, and that he was in the bondage of iniquity. Need I say more?


Juanita Bynum said:

“You’ve got to release something–no I’m talking to you. Come on! Hear me tonight–you’ve got to release something! You’ve got to release it now! What’s a $1,000.00 in exchange for eternal victory? Let me tell you something–pick up the phone right now! You need to go to the phone! It’s time for you to sow! Because in order for God to give it to you you’ve got to divinely release something. What is a divine release seed? It is a seed that I can’t afford to give…One check away from your breakthrough! One check away from your deliverance! Pick up the phone! It’s a divine release!”

(Juanita Bynum, TBN, “Spring Praise-A-Thon,” April 7, 2005)

The Word of God says:


Matthew 6:25-34:

25 "For this reason I say to you, do not be anxious for your life, as to what you shall eat, or what you shall drink; nor for your body, as to what you shall put on. Is not life more than food, and the body than clothing?

26 "Look at the birds of the air, that they do not sow, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not worth much more than they?

27 "And which of you by being anxious can add a single cubit to his life's span?

28 "And why are you anxious about clothing? Observe how the lilies of the field grow; they do not toil nor do they spin,

29 yet I say to you that even Solomon in all his glory did not clothe himself like one of these.

30 "But if God so arrays the grass of the field, which is alive today and tomorrow is thrown into the furnace, will He not much more do so for you, O men of little faith?

31 "Do not be anxious then, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'With what shall we clothe ourselves?'

32 "For all these things the Gentiles eagerly seek; for your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things.

33 "But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness; and all these things shall be added to you.

34 "Therefore do not be anxious for tomorrow; for tomorrow will care for itself.


We are worth much more than the birds or the lilies, and God has promised us that He will take care of His children. Those who first and foremost seek after Him and His kingdom (seek His ways, and seek to know Him and to walk in His ways). We are not instructed to give our money for these amenities.

God is not a negligent Father who will not take care of His children.

King David said:

Ps 37:25 I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread.

But, perhaps I am misunderstanding Bynum's statement above. Perhaps she was referring to a breakthrough in trials, tribulations, or in spiritual warfare in her quote above. Well, if so, then let's see what the Bible says about those things.

The Word of God says:


Psalm 34:18-19:

18 The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.

19 Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but the LORD delivereth him out of them all.


The Lord has promised to deliver us. But I see no mention of money here. Let's continue.

As regarding the fiery trial, the Word of God says:


1 Peter 4:12-13:

12 ¶ Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:

13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ’s sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.


Scripture tells us to rejoice because we are partakers of Christ's sufferings. Hmmmm...but still no mention of money yet. But, let's keep going.

As regarding spiritual warfare, the Word of God says:


2 Corinthians 10:3-4:

3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:

4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)


First, let's look at the word carnal. What does it mean?

car·nal /ˈkɑrhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.pngnl/(I got this from dictionary.com)
–adjective


1.pertaining to or characterized by the flesh or the body, its passions and appetites; sensual: carnal pleasures.
2.not spiritual; merely human; temporal; worldly: a man of secular, rather carnal, leanings.

As you can see, the word carnal means pertaining to or characterized by the flesh or the body. The other meaning is "not spiritual" and "worldly."

So, Paul is saying in 2nd Corinthians that the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly or wordly. They're spiritual. Yet, Bynum is telling people that if they need a breakthrough, they need to send in money, which is absolutely not a spiritual weapon of war. It is very fleshly. That passage of scripture says that although we are in the flesh, we don't war after the flesh. We war in the spirit.

What are the weapons we need for the breakthrough in spiritual warfare? The word of God tells us it is these:

Ephesians 6:11-18:

11 Put on the full armor of God, that you may be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil.

12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.

13 Therefore, take up the full armor of God, that you may be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.

14 Stand firm therefore, HAVING GIRDED YOUR LOINS WITH TRUTH, and HAVING PUT ON THE BREASTPLATE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS,

15 and having shod YOUR FEET WITH THE PREPARATION OF THE GOSPEL OF PEACE;

16 in addition to all, taking up the shield of faith with which you will be able to extinguish all the flaming missiles of the evil one.

17 And take THE HELMET OF SALVATION, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

18 With all prayer and petition pray at all times in the Spirit, and with this in view, be on the alert with all perseverance and petition for all the saints,


Truth, righteousness, preparation of the Gospel of peace, helmet of salvation, and the sword of the spirit, which is the WORD OF GOD! These are the weapons we need to fight spiritual warfare. Still, I find no mention of money releasing God's power in our life. Nowhere!

It's no coincidence that truth is listed first. If we, God's children, are not lovers of truth, and we trail off into error, then we are finished before we even get started, because you cannot fight against the enemy if you don't have the truth of God's word in your heart, for God's Word is the sword that we yield in battle!

But still I find no mention of money as being the clue to victory or breakthrough.

Juanita Bynum, and others in the WOF movement, are subverting multitudes of sheep away from the truth. And before anyone argues that Bynum and others are rich because they are favored by God, riches are not evidence of God's grace.

Here is how the Word of God instructs ministers and followers of Christ to be:


2 Corinthians 6:

1 And working together with Him, we also urge you not to receive the grace of God in vain--

2 for He says, "AT THE ACCEPTABLE TIME I LISTENED TO YOU, AND ON THE DAY OF SALVATION I HELPED YOU"; behold, now is "THE ACCEPTABLE TIME," behold, now is" THE DAY OF SALVATION "--

3 giving no cause for offense in anything, in order that the ministry be not discredited,

4 but in everything commending ourselves as servants of God, in much endurance, in afflictions, in hardships, in distresses,

5 in beatings, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labors, in sleeplessness, in hunger,

6 in purity, in knowledge, in patience, in kindness, in the Holy Spirit, in genuine love,

7 in the word of truth, in the power of God; by the weapons of righteousness for the right hand and the left,

8 by glory and dishonor, by evil report and good report; regarded as deceivers and yet true;

9 as unknown yet well-known, as dying yet behold, we live; as punished yet not put to death,

10 as sorrowful yet always rejoicing, as poor yet making many rich, as having nothing yet possessing all things.


Further proof that riches don't prove that someone is favored by God is contained in God's word with the accounts of the apostles. If I'm not mistaken, all but one were martyred. They did not have mansions, rolls royces, or rolexes. Were they not favored of God?

A few things to think about.

[Chrystalwuzhere]

On one last note, if acceptance of God's holy, righteous, and only begotten beloved Son is not enough to gain us favor with God, nothing will. Not even money.

[a.baker]

Wow you nailed it Chrystal! The way you put that together sure did lift my spirits in my current situation but moving on ( thats was something I needed to hear today; thanks). You are so right about money not getting anyone in with God. How often He talks of the poor being in Spirit. And how He talks of the struggles it is for someone who is rich to find Him. He also says that we need to take nothing on our journey because He will supply us with what we need ( that also refers to our faith in him). He also constantly talks of our treasure of being one in heaven and no other. He also says we will be rewarded for what we do in secret. If we boast than we are looking for mans reward and not His and He won't acknowledge what we do for mans pleasure only what we do for His pleasure. (sorry I might of repeated some of what you said). When Juanita stated in those statements it sounded like she was on t.v., talking on an info. commercial.

[InTheWind]

Much of the time Bynum uses this ‘gift’ to try and get people to give her their money.
Born in Chicago to a rug salesman and a school nutritionist, Bynum, who has four siblings, followed her parents, who both preached in their Pentecostal church, into ministry as a teen. After graduating as valedictorian from Saints High, a school run by the Church of God in Christ in Memphis, Tenn., she worked as a beautician. A job as a Pan Am flight attendant brought her to New York almost two decades ago.
In full-time ministry for the past 15 years, Bynum describes herself as a “prophetess,” which she defines not only as someone God reveals future events to, but also “empowered with a special gift to really change the hearts and minds and the direction of people by knowledge.”
Bynum emerged from relative obscurity in the late 1990s when Dallas preacher Bishop T.D. Jakes (http://www.apologeticsindex.org/j11.html) asked her to address a singles conference. Her sermon, “No More Sheets,” dealt with a slew of failed romances. Using four sheets borrowed from a hotel maid’s cart, she demonstrated how every man she’d slept with who walked away left her in spiritual bondage.
[…]
Jackie Alnor, who produces the online church watchdog publication “The Christian Sentinel (http://www.cultlink.com/),” criticizes Bynum for flawed teachings and aggressive fund-raising. “My biggest problem with her is that she’s claiming she is a prophet.”
Bynum’s pleas for money on her show amount to “spiritual extortion,” Alnor says. “She focuses on the people struggling, living hand to mouth, and tells the poor to give to the rich. She’s the opposite of Robin Hood.”
Alnor is also among those who criticize Bynum’s 2002 televised wedding (http://www.religionnewsblog.com/19103/juanity-bynum-wedding) to Bishop Thomas W. Weeks III, pastor of the Global Destiny Church in Washington, D.C, at the Regent Wall Street Hotel in Manhattan.
Media reports said the ceremony featured a wedding party of 80, a gown with a bodice covered in crystals and a 7.76-carat diamond ring — a far cry from their private ceremony a year earlier at Las Vegas City Hall.
Bynum had waited all her life to have a fairy-tale wedding, she says. “It started out with a $500,000 budget, and then it just started growing like the blob,” she says, adding, “I didn’t think it robbery to celebrate my day.”
She says she doesn’t put much stock in what her critics say. “It’s just not important,” she says, adding, “If you talk about me, and you don’t talk to me, then that’s too low for me. I can’t come to that level.”
More than an expositor of the gospel, Bynum is also an industry. According to TBN (http://www.apologeticsindex.org/tr27.html), viewers around the world tune into her weekly “Weapons of Power” sho w. She’s also an author and a gospel singer, with her sermons, books and CDs for sale on her Web site.
And she heads Juanita Bynum Ministries Inc., based in Waycross, Ga. Tonya Hall, her administrative assistant, declined to disclose either Bynum’s or the ministry’s income. “Her financials are something that we do not release,” Hall says. (Although some religious institutions file financial disclosures, an Internal Revenue Service spokesman says Bynum’s ministry has not.)
[…]

More..... http://www.apologeticsindex.org/595-juanita-bynum

[a.baker]

Let me see if I got this right. She is using her current situation to sell theft and security devices? Boy she is really looking for any way to make money isn't she? If she is going to use her current situation she should use it on how no matter what the difficulties or struggles married people face they work it out and stick together as one. The only way Gods says in the bible for divorce to be justified is by someone in the marriage being unfaithful ( not saying in her situation that divorce is mentioned just stating where she could of taken this situation differently.). God always talks of how He hates divorce. This situation is not meant to be used to sell devices to protect yourself from danger. Devices are o.k. and so are weapons when regarded properly, but we shouldn't live in fear of the evil that goes about in this world. Having materials for protection is o.k., but living in constant fear so you have security devices on everything and look at everyone as someone who is out to get you or your stuff is not o.k. Who needs stuff when we have God who fulfills all of our needs? Who needs to live in fear when He protects us? Just thinking...

[Jessie]

I thought that this was a Christian web site but it seems to be an anti Juanita web site. I am not a part of any staff but the body of Christ. If I offended you forgive me. Some people hate to give money and maybe that is Gods way of showing who you really are. I don't care what anybody says, I will only give what God lays on my heart to give. Now, I see that you use scripture to benefit yourself and justify what you are talking about. Their are many scriptures that talks against judging. In the scripture you are talking about in Corinthians it talks about Christians having problems among each other. It tells us to not to go to a worldly court but settle it among the saintsin the church. Furthurmore, in 1Corinthians 4:3-5 Paul says, 3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you or by a human court.[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=53&chapter=4&version=50#fen-NKJV-28431a)] In fact, I do not even judge myself. 4 For I know of nothing against myself, yet I am not justified by this; but He who judges me is the Lord. 5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes, who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness and reveal the counsels of the hearts. Then each one’s praise will come from God.... Even better than that in Luke 6:37 Jesus says, "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.....In John 8:15-16 Jesus says,
15You judge by human standards; I pass judgment on no one. 16But if I do judge, my decisions are right, because I am not alone. I stand with the Father, who sent me. I have watched many of her sermons and I have not once heard false doctrine. I did not see the sermon that you are speaking about. I have never seen her add to or take away from the word of God. Have you ever heard her say anything other than the money sermon in which you can say that she is a false prophet. I have seen that in this forum. Look in the mirror before talking about someone else. Ask yourself two questions, Am I saved? Do I draw others to Christ with my walk, or do I turn them away? Have I ever said anything that I had to repent to God for? If she sinned against God she have to repent to Jesus not man.

wow, you'd let her draw people off to serve another Jesus, another gospel and then judge
people harshly for wanting to stick to the "truth".

shes destroying people, lying to them and thats ok with you? to benifit herself?

and btw what bible do you read? what she does is CLEARLY against Gods word.

so forget the guilting of people, you too will be held accountable for supporting her false ways and or turning a blind eye.

there is NO "if" she sinned and yes, she will be held accountable to God.
and you must not think much of her either excusing her in all of this.

leaders are judged by the Lord much more harshly than the rest of us.
they are held more accountable.

and I know you did'nt send your last dollar or nickel to her.

scripture tells us to judge righteiously.

what a moral abyss.:ick:

[Chrystalwuzhere]

InTheWind....excellent post.

I am always leary when I hear people call themselves "prophet" or "prophetess" as if it were some kind of status symbol. I'm also weary when folks say they have a "special gift."

It's not scriptural.


Jessie... amen, sister.

I would like to ask all followers of Bynum, White, Hinn, Copeland, Dollar, Jakes, etc.... are you lovers of Bynum's Word, or God's Word? No one, not me, not you, no one, is above having what we say weighed by the Word of God.

If we're wrong in our assessment, then prove it using scripture, for it is the first and final authority on ALL THINGS. Even things I say. I'm not above being corrected if I'm wrong. If I'm in spiritual error, I want to know it. So, using God's Word, show me where I'm wrong.

[cbressler1976]

John Hagee is a part of that group...but I don't think he is out for money...but I saw him on a Benny Hinn show and he gave him a look...like he wasn't sure of him...it was almost as if he didn't approve of what Benny Hinn was saying... core made me realize that John Hagee isn't correct in some of what he teaches...but I think that he believes what he preaches from his heart...and the only thing he really does is try and sell his books....if I am wrong...please let me know why...thanks!

[kay-gee]

Books, CD's, Tapes, DVD's, Movies, His family singing Gospel music, Hagee's got it all. He too is a salesman. Ever hear of Jack Van Impe? He's worth a watch for the comedic value!

all the best...

[lighthouse]

they often sell tapes etc to pay for their ministry
especially if they go on the road
it is really expensive

but some just do it for money


wof=cult

[Chrystalwuzhere]

Some make available their resources via cd and dvd, and ask for a few dollars to cover the production costs of those materials, which I see nothing wrong with. What you need to watch is their tactics of raising money.

If anyone tells you to send in money to get a blessing from God, or to get it restored 10, 50, or 100 fold, they are a deceiver.

[cbressler1976]

If anyone tells you to send in money to get a blessing from God, or to get it restored 10, 50, or 100 fold, they are a deceiver.
I never knew this....I have heard people say that if you tithe...God will reward you with money too...and that if you aren't tithing then you are sinning against God...I have issues with this because my husband doesn't believe in God and would have a hard time with me giving money to a church...:(

[cbressler1976]

Books, CD's, Tapes, DVD's, Movies, His family singing Gospel music, Hagee's got it all. He too is a salesman. Ever hear of Jack Van Impe? He's worth a watch for the comedic value!

all the best...

I watch Jack Van Impe...lol.....I wasn't too sure about him though....He just didn't seem that bad....what do you think of Dr. Charles Stanley? is there anything good on TBN? lol

[a.baker]

I have seen one or two people give sermons on t.v. and they didn't seem too bad. I don't know of any of these names you guys talk of really. Once in a blue moon I watch a sermon on t.v. But what if they are selling books just because they also like to write? Yes having to give money to be saved is wrong and unbiblical. I believe we can give money to other things or people as long as God would see fit. Last Sunday I couldn't go to Church so I gave to a program called Jerry's Kids. Firemen were standing outside a store and I saw it as a perfect opportunity. Or even giving to a local shelter would be o.k. I think. If also I am wrong in anything I state tell me too. I am new at much and I need correction. We all need correction when wrong. Sorry Chrystal I can't find anywhere you are wrong in your replies in this thread. You see truth and help me to learn. But it takes a teacher a lot of times for others that are more knowledgeable to see false sometimes. Thats why teachers are so important. But remember God gives us all wisdom when we are truly His so we won't be lead into false. All that read His Word literally are automatically given wisdom. Some are just given more than others. Yes we all need to watch out for each other in our growing process.

[Jessie]

certain ones are'nt too bad on tv. but the majority are.

its all about money. I dont believe in writing about god to make money.
to cover costs is one thing but these people are living in mansions, have airplanes,
and live in excess. all at the expense of someone they tricked into thinking that if you give me your last penny even that god will bless it and give you a thousand back.
thats NOT from the Lord. like another post here thats extortion!

we do not give to God to get blessed. we are already blessed.
we give for the right reasons and we are to watch were we give.

there are a lot of threads about wof here I would really encourage you to read them.

[a.baker]

Yeah I do agree.

[Jessie]

sorry if I seem so intense of this wof stuff (most here know why) but it was a living hell to fall into and then come out of.

[a.baker]

Oh no your fine, your right I need to research this stuff more to get an understanding and also so I don't fall into it myself. I did look at one thread and I will look at more here very soon. Everyone has something they are tense about. Yours is for a good reason.

[InTheWind]

Books, CD's, Tapes, DVD's, Movies, His family singing Gospel music, Hagee's got it all. He too is a salesman. Ever hear of Jack Van Impe? He's worth a watch for the comedic value!

all the best...

I watch Jack Van Impe...lol.....I wasn't too sure about him though....He just didn't seem that bad....what do you think of Dr. Charles Stanley? is there anything good on TBN? lol

I like Stanley, also James Meritt :):

[a.baker]

Is Stanley and James Meritt on T.V.? I have comcast cable so if they are they probably are there some where.

[Chrystalwuzhere]

Yes, I like Charles Stanley. I also like John MacArthur, Dave Hunt, David Jeremiah, Alistair Begg, Jan Markell, and others.

Not all of them are wolves in sheep's clothing.

[Chrystalwuzhere]

Is Stanley and James Meritt on T.V.? I have comcast cable so if they are they probably are there some where.

Yes, they are on television. I think they're on TBN and Daystar. Maybe The Church Channel too.

Have you got a Christian radio station in your area? I listen to them on my local Christian radio stations.

You can also listen to all of them on the Internet every day. Follow this link:

http://oneplace.com/Ministries/default.aspx?Sort=host&Filter=0-z&submitSearch=Search

[lighthouse]

there a lot of good ones out there
this is a place where you need discernment

i was raised with a strong foundation
but during a time of great sorrow
i got involved

once in it is very hard to get out
and unlike most
i knew they were in error
and made the mistake of trying to show them
as in any cult they will not believe it
they feel they have the 'only' answers
the only truth
sad
but it was the strong foundation that i was raised with that got me out at the end

i say again
wof=cult

[a.baker]

Yes I also watch Dr. Charles Stanley. I watched him last Sunday on t.v. and I didn't pay attention to his name. Today I watched and did pay attention and it was Stanley. I like the way he uses much scripture throughout the sermon and he seems very upright. Hes on WXMI on my t.v. Thank x a lot for that link I will go there some time today.

[cbressler1976]

He's one of my favs...what do you think of Billy Graham? I like him too...his wife died...:feeling:

[a.baker]

I have read books Billy Graham has written. I didn't know his wife died. They seem young still.

[InTheWind]

Is Stanley and James Meritt on T.V.? I have comcast cable so if they are they probably are there some where.

Yep, on various channels, Chrystal i`m not so sure about David Jeremiah, didn`t someone just recently post a thread about his beliefs and something wrong that he said?

[Chrystalwuzhere]

Hmmm...I don't know. Hafta look him up. I like to listen to him from time to time.

He believes in salvation by grace, pre-trib rapture, etc. Haven't personally heard anything wrong when I've listened to him myself. Plus, he's anti-ecumenicalism. Heard those sermons myself.

[CoreIssue]

I don't see eye to eye with Stanley on everything, but on most things.

Probably my biggest disagreement is that he is Calvinist.

[Chrystalwuzhere]

I don't see eye to eye with Stanley on everything, but on most things.

Probably my biggest disagreement is that he is Calvinist.

Also, I love to listen to David Reagan on a lot of things too, but he's an annhilist. Meaning, he believes that after so long in Hell, people will finally come to the end of their existence...be annihilated. I strongly disagree. But that's the only thing I've heard wrong from him.

[InTheWind]

I just seen an article about him and thought it was here, hmmmm:scratch:

[InTheWind]

Here`s some of what i read.
http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/misguidedshepherds.htm

[cbressler1976]

I don't see eye to eye with Stanley on everything, but on most things.

Probably my biggest disagreement is that he is Calvinist.

Now I'm confused....what is a calvinist??
...and how am I supposed to figure out what is right when there is sooooo many different things?? I guess I always believed that if you accepted Jesus as your personal savior that was good enough....lol...I have a lot to learn

[cbressler1976]

I have read books Billy Graham has written. I didn't know his wife died. They seem young still.

no....not young at all...Billy Graham, I believe is in his 80's.....

[CoreIssue]

Here`s some of what i read.
http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/misguidedshepherds.htm
That isn't good!

[Chrystalwuzhere]

Here`s some of what i read.
http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/misguidedshepherds.htm

Thank you for that post. I'm quite disappointed in Mr. Jeremiah. I've never heard him preach anything erring in the pulpit, but then again, I haven't read this book, either.

Kinda heartbreaking.

[Jessie]

one day gosh about what 1-2 yrs ago I was listening to the radio cant for the life of me remember what jerimiah was talking about but the HS gave me a huge red flag.
at the time I did'nt knowwhy. so then I started paying attention and researching him,

he openly talks about the parigam shift and how they are doing it,

right then and there I thought I'm done with you.

I enjoyed listening to him before now I dont... I too was very disappointed.

[Chrystalwuzhere]

I don't listen to him often. But when I have, I haven't caught him doing that stuff. If so, I wouldn't have listened to him.

Well, you live and you learn.

[roman8]

Just wondering what everyone thinks of Dave Hunt. I am watching a series called "The Seduction of Christianity" I find it really interesting . So far I like him.

[CoreIssue]

Just wondering what everyone thinks of Dave Hunt. I am watching a series called "The Seduction of Christianity" I find it really interesting . So far I like him.
I like him. A couple of points I don't agree with.

But in general he is more right on than most.

I watched him back in the 70s when his thinking was scoffed at.

[Jessie]

yep I like dave hunt

[Chrystalwuzhere]

Just wondering what everyone thinks of Dave Hunt. I am watching a series called "The Seduction of Christianity" I find it really interesting . So far I like him.

I love Dave Hunt!

I've always enjoyed listening to him. If we can draw ire for merely posting about Juanita Bynum's divorce, just imagine the adversity he faces for standing up for the faith. I've seen other discernment ministries face the same ire. That's what happens when you don't swallow everything coming and going and stand only for truth.

[Chrystalwuzhere]

Just wondering what everyone thinks of Dave Hunt. I am watching a series called "The Seduction of Christianity" I find it really interesting . So far I like him.

His program about the Roman Catholic Church called "A Woman Rides the Beast" is good too. You can find it on Google videos.

Also, I have his book Judgment Day, which is about Islam. It's truly informative. I recommend everyone to read it.

[cbressler1976]

Here's another one... and Juanita Bynum calls herself a prophetess! Remember her lavish and expensive vulgar wedding a couple of years ago? So much for that, huh?

For 'prophetess' of true romance, marriage a mess


http://www.ajc.com/gwinnett/content/metro/gwinnett/stories/2007/08/25/bynum_0826.html


A prophetess?? what happened to being humble??? it's sad that people fall for this stuff... :sorry:

[Jessie]

yep no humility in the wof camp.

[eahaddix]

It's really about women's empowerment.

Identity Politics are nothing except a social "divide and conquer" strategy. Case in point, if you can divide a wife against her husband, then you can conquer the said family.

My wife cannot stand such politics. She considers the unsaid notion that advocates of "women's empowerment" speak for her insulting. Moreover, she believes that if the said advocates truly support her "rights," then they should respect her right not to adopt the attitude or lifstyle which the said advocates believe that she should have. Otherwise, the said advocates are simply replacing one form of social tyranny with another form of social tyranny.

[John Beckett]

`

Regardless of the situation Christians should not be put down
by their own brothers and sisters in Christ .... With that being said please
let us try and have mercy on others more,
especially if you don't know the whole situation <<<<<


especially if we don't know the whole situation???????


Oh, brother!! :swoon:What part of Lighthouse's post did this person
NOT understand?? Lighthouse specifically stated that she once helped
out in the back of a Church, and she heard first-hand this Juanita woman
preparing to ask a whole congregation of folk for a hearty offering, and
that AFTER she told the Church pastor that she would not!!

Like, helloooooooooooo!! Looks to me like, ummmm, Lighthouse
knows a lot more of said situation than does the author of that post!

DUH!! DUH!! :whacky40:


`

[BereanGal]

At first I felt bad that Juanita was assaulted - but then my husband put the situation into perspective for me. He reminded me that Juanita is a false prophet and that the wrath of God abides on her.

These scriptures remind me of the likes of Juanita:

Jeremiah 6:13
For from the least of them even unto the greatest of them every one is given to covetousness; and from the prophet even unto the priest every one dealeth falsely.

Jeremiah 14:14
Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.

Ezekiel 13:3
Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing!

[Chrystalwuzhere]

Juanita Bynum has been on Divorce Court this last week advising and counseling a couple about domestic violence.

*sigh*

[Jessie]

Juanita Bynum has been on Divorce Court this last week advising and counseling a couple about domestic violence.

*sigh*


ack....

no sane woman would listen to her..

she cant get her own life under control...
what advice is she going to give? bad stuff.

[monilove]

I watched the first part of the first episode and couldnt stomach anything further. The judge in her chambers just asked her if her marriage was over. She started to say "we" decided to part ways but hurriedly corrected and stated the "she" no longer wanted the marriage. All the blame was cast on him for all the problems and she once again stated she had left the marriage several times and come back supposedly because he abused her...Then she went on to say God brought her to this point so she could speak out to other women about this problem in a public forum(never mind that its secular tv). She also stated that she had no intentions of going public with what happened in the parking lot and that the next morning she awoke to find it all over the news. :yowza:That line made me crack a smile as she was the one appearing on any and every camera that she could find telling half truths and neglecting her part in this mess. Nothing about her demeanor signaled truth in her words. She also stated that the wealth she accumulated DID NOT come from tithes/offerings of the people. After that I turned it off. She claims her wealth came only from her books which sold so well but never from offerings/tithes. If you believe that, you'll believe anything. I guess when you are protected from sharing your financial information you can make those claims.:grr:

[CoreIssue]

Yep. Money is their god.

[Jessie]

I'd have more respect for a worldly person, not one who uses God to hide behind and USE to get their crooked ways.

saying God told them this that and the other thing.
which is obvious from His word HE DID NOT!

[Chrystalwuzhere]

It used to defy logic as to how she could believe that taking money from believers for her false doctrine was okay. Then it occurred to me, she may not believe her doctrine is false; which shows her depth of ignorance.

I don't know whether she is sincere in her beliefs or not, to know that, I would have to know her heart, or see enough of it to make a firm decision. But, she still doesn't get it! It is the flock who is making her rich! Whether it be through books, or ties and offerings.... it is the PEOPLE'S MONEY that she is taking.

[Jessie]

when people get into wof, it turns them upside down.
many can not read the word anymore and get it.

you'd think one could say ok your GREEDY and they should be ashamed.
its quite the opposite. and thats scary.

shes into a whole nother gospel. a very evil one