Missouri: No permit needed to buy concealable gun

[John Beckett]

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QUOTE FROM THIS NEWS ITEM: This makes it easier for people to
buy firearms. They don't have to get permission 1st'

ME: Yeah, that'll be cool. It's like not there's a lot of punks and
thugs looking for guns in St Louis or Kansas City, huh??


Unbelievable! grrrrr.


Link to story below ....


http://www.kansascity.com/115/v-print/story/243405.html


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[CoreIssue]

Makes good sense.

[a.baker]

Yes its like they are encouraging people to buy guns in that way after all thats how it is now. Easier isn't always better! I don't think its a good idea either myself. If a criminal is going to buy a gun this does make it easier for them to do so now. They would never go to the second step either. The gun they purchase will probably be used for illegal actions any way. So if they get caught with the gun not being registered its probably because they already committed a crime with it. I also think in some strange way it would put it into teenagers hands a little easier. I don't know just an unsafe feeling if you ask me.

[a.baker]

Kansas I don't know since I assume it's pretty isolated but in St. Louis definitely. Kids and school very shaky ground there!

[CoreIssue]

Three points.

First, there is still the Federal check.

Second, those who will abuse them will get them illegally.

Third, crime rates go down, not up, where it is easier. In fact, a few cities have enacted mandatory laws to own guns. Their crime rates plunged.

[John Beckett]

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Core, I hate disagreeing with you on anything, because I respect your opinions
on SOOOOOOO MANY issues. You are the main reason I return here!

However, we have had our moments. And this is another one .... So,
let's go. :bringit:


LOLOL!!

Anyway ....

YOU SAID: Crime rates go down, not up, where it is easier to buy guns.
In fact, a few cities have enacted mandatory laws to own guns.
Their crime rates plunged.

ME: Yeah, great. So then, our fellow Brethren in Jesus are out at the movies
or the mall with a gun in one inside pocket and a Bible in the other??

Sorry. IMV, oil and water don't mix, Core.

I have been kept from the fiery furnace on so many occasions, and
that was without even praying! Although when I did pray, it helped
out that much more. Amen!

:nod:


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[CoreIssue]

I grew up in the country, in rural IN.

Everyone owned guns. No permits.

We didn't carry them to town.

But everyone knew if you come sneaking on property you better expect a gun in your face.

A gun is a tool. Not just a weapon.

This notion, many have, that owning a gun means disaster is nonsense.

Why do you think crooks go after homes in cities, with gun control laws, but not the country homes?

Easier and safer pickings in the country? Right?

Nope.

Should everyone buy a gun? No.

Those who fear them shouldn't.

Abuse of guns, as we see today, isn't because they are more available. Gun shops dotted IN, when I was a kid.

It is because or immorality, evil and corruption.

Really, if I wanted to kill someone, I could do it without a store bought gun. Not that big of a deal to make an air powered pistol. Or a 'zip' gun.

[John Beckett]

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Core, I am not referring to any ol' gun, like the ones folk out
in the country own. I mean the concealed ones. Those little
.22's and .38's. The ones women like so they're not killed
if someone sets out to rape or mug them.

Trouble is, these are the very guns the thugs like. And the
pre-teens and teens who wanna make a name for themselves??

Just what the doctor ordered.

Like smoking, all they have to do is pay someone older to
get a gun for them, and wham!

Sure, they can do it with or without this law, but this law
is making it that much easier.


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[CoreIssue]

Nope. They don't have to pay an older guy.

If an older guy buys it, his name goes on the registration.

Anyone who wants to buy an unregistered gun can do so.

The only ones who don't get guns under tight laws is the law abiding.

Australia confiscated guns. Crime shot up. Gun deaths jumped up.

A rapist is going to think twice about attacking women who just might have a pistol in their purse.

Like the examples of a guy coming into a fast food and started shooting. Law abiding gal didn't have her gun with her. Was in the car. A number of people, including her parents, died.

Another, law abiding guy forgot to put his gun in his car before entering. Guy come in and started shooting. He nailed him. Lives saved.

It really is false that gun laws keeps guns off the street. It only hurts the honest people.

Lack of going through the Sheriff doesn't add anything to safety. His materials are already in the federal data base.

Canada has tight laws. Guns are there.

Brittian use to not arm police. So many got killed they armed them.

Really doesn't work, John.

[kay-gee]

Be sure to wear your "what would Jesus do?" bracelet while you are firing your Glock at the guy coming to your farmhouse door to borrow gas!
all the best...

[a.baker]

Being a female and having a weapon in my purse for self defense, my choice would be a tazor. The kind that shoot from far distances and some are legal. Or some mace. I have nothing in my purse right now but I used to. I have these scissors made by Cutco. These are $50 scissors and the company is famous for making knives. The scissors have a lifetime guarantee and they stay sharp for life. They cut through pennies no problem. They also come apart so its like a huge knife with a handle. I had them in my purse forever just to have something. I cleaned late at night in isolated areas and wanted something. But it got annoying having these big things in my purse so I took them out. I can see both sides with the gun issue. Whoever has one should be trained on how to use it and where to shoot just to injure unless worse case scenario. It should always be in a lock box too so the wrong hands don't get to it. :):

[CoreIssue]

Be sure to wear your "what would Jesus do?" bracelet while you are firing your Glock at the guy coming to your farmhouse door to borrow gas!
all the best...
What a liberal, arrogant statement.

[CoreIssue]

It should always be in a lock box too so the wrong hands don't get to it.

If children are around, yes.

A quick release box.

If in a purse, etc. then under constant control by the owner.

Not much protection is something you cannot get to, is there?

[a.baker]

Yes if being attacked a quick release box is a must!

[CoreIssue]

Yes if being attacked a quick release box is a must!
Owner recognition gripes are the best.

No one can fire the gun except who it recognizes.

[a.baker]

I think I have heard of those. And that would be best. Does the box open with finger print identification or voice identification? How does the box or gun work?

[CoreIssue]

I think I have heard of those. And that would be best. Does the box open with finger print identification or voice identification? How does the box or gun work?
The ID mechanism is in the pistol grip.

You encode the gun while holding it. So it memorizes your hand print on it.

No box needed.

[a.baker]

Thats neat!

[InTheWind]

Be sure to wear your "what would Jesus do?" bracelet while you are firing your Glock at the guy coming to your farmhouse door to borrow gas!
all the best...
What a liberal, arrogant statement.

What would Jesus do Kay-Gee if someone broke in His house and threatened to kill Him, i`m talking if He were here now.

[kay-gee]

Say something that ripped the guys heart out, and made him see the error of his ways and his need for salvation, or maybe even drive the demons out of him like the guy in Decapolis. Then failing that, whip out the Smith & Wesson and let him have it, I suppose. Pure speculation on my part. I don't really know. The scene is pretty hypothetical!

all the best...

[kay-gee]

Core, Why am I being liberal and arrogant? I am simply trying to reveal the absurdity of the gun attitude. The gun thing is patriotism. It is americanism pure and simple! You guys keep confusing it with Christianity. If you want to keep a gun around, fine, but don't suggest it's every ones Christian duty to own one.
all the best...

[CoreIssue]

Core, Why am I being liberal and arrogant? I am simply trying to reveal the absurdity of the gun attitude. The gun thing is patriotism. It is americanism pure and simple! You guys keep confusing it with Christianity. If you want to keep a gun around, fine, but don't suggest it's every ones Christian duty to own one.
all the best...
Liberals think gun control accomplishing something. Or that no guns means less violence.

That has been proven false, time and time again.

And your comment on country hicks is arrogant. As if those from the country are stupid or unable to see things as clearly as you do.

Guns are not patriotism. Get over that. It is personal freedom and and right. Keeping with the Founders saying that when only the government has the guns freedom is lost.

Christianity teaches freedom, choice and self defense. I am confusing nothing.

I never said everyone has to have one.

But you want to take them away from everyone.

So, who is out of line here?

[kay-gee]

Fair enough, but I'm not such a proponent of gun control as I am concerned about Christians being so obsessed with these instruments of death.

I am not quite sure how I made fun of people from the country. Speaking of hicks, I am one my self. My brothers up here have guns coming out there ears. Hunting is the national past time around here. I lived in Toronto for several years and never felt one single time that I was missing something, by not owning a pistol. In fact, we used to sleep with the windows wide open in the summer time.
Meanwhile my American cousin lives like a paranoid rabbit in a dinky city like Flint Mich.
If you connect the right to bear arms to freedom, something went horribly wrong I'm afraid! Tell me again, How is it that you are so free?

all the best...

[a.baker]

Thats why its an emergency for people to know God and repent. You never know when your time is up or when man decides your time is up for you. Live to see tomorrow? Thats why God tells us to worry about today and He will worry about tomorrow for us. I do see what you are saying Kaygee about man who is your attacker possibly changing his way of life but when it gets to that point its kinda like a win lose situation and the attacker has already made up his mind on his actions. If there are consequences for his actions than let it be. Every sinful action has a consequence in the end. The only time we are not to fight back when it comes to death, is when we die because of Him because of Jesus because of His name. When man kills us because and only because we believe, and wishes to see death upon us because we are Christian. Very rare but does happen in this day and age. But in general if we are being attacked than we must fight back.

[Jessie]

Fair enough, but I'm not such a proponent of gun control as I am concerned about Christians being so obsessed with these instruments of death.

I am not quite sure how I made fun of people from the country. Speaking of hicks, I am one my self. My brothers up here have guns coming out there ears. Hunting is the national past time around here. I lived in Toronto for several years and never felt one single time that I was missing something, by not owning a pistol. In fact, we used to sleep with the windows wide open in the summer time.
Meanwhile my American cousin lives like a paranoid rabbit in a dinky city like Flint Mich.
If you connect the right to bear arms to freedom, something went horribly wrong I'm afraid! Tell me again, How is it that you are so free?

all the best...

I dont see christians so obsessed with them.
they are not toys. must be used properly.

your fortunate you could sleep with the windows open. not a option here.

[InTheWind]

I think one of these days some people that are anti gun are going to have a rude awakening, i`ve been reading a lot of stories of people finding Muslim training camps out in the woods in several states that are training too kill us. One may be glad they have plenty of ammo one day. On the other hand if your faith tells you your comfortable with it`s time too die and you don`t want to resist and defend yourself that`s your choice.
I ran accross this i think it says alot about gun ownership.

If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.

[CoreIssue]

Not an obsession.

Just a disgust and resistance to those who want to control our lives.

[a.baker]

Yes I think its a good idea to have a weapon for defense. But no; nobody here is saying that we should go and buy a gun. Core is right. It basically comes down to resistance. People are all about killing us because we are Americans and we should be prepared. We should also be prepared for people that consider a human life worth no more than a materialized possession or sometimes life meaning less than a possession in their eyes. And the same for people that will let no one stand in their way of fulfilling their sickly desires. I think it would be considered justice if you were defending you and your families lives.