store clerk

[Jessie]

this woman is new at a store we go to.

she creeps me out. I have the strong impression shes been a convict,
but its the eyes that get to me. like shes demonized.

when I get in line she gets all wierd. angry, throws customers stuff like slamming it around. and she is'nt even polite. same thing I have seen in my sil and bil's eyes.


:swoon:

[kay-gee]

Doubtful it's demons! Likely a bad personality. You could talk to the manager and have her fired. (Of course, if she Is a crazy, she might hunt you down and kill you!)

all the best...

[a.baker]

Ha Ha Ha Kaygee! Thats funny! But maybe she does endure in some other weird thing like witchcraft. I have this girl I know who really thinks she can do witchcraft from this book she reads! And she is one angry, selfish, unhappy person. You should here the way she talks to her children (so I have heard).Why can't people stop searching in false and look in to bible ( my problem before but I listened when I was told to pick up my bible is the difference). Maybe her anger is just really unfamiliar to you since you have so much joy. She must be sane somewhat or she would be living off of the government instead of working. The more you shine in front of these people the more angry they get! The bible tells us of this. And 9 times out of 10 if you mention God or Jesus to these kind of people you will see more anger arise immediately! A very scary kind to where you feel like they will jump over the counter and literally attack you!

[CoreIssue]

The world hates us. Those who hate us the most react very badly to us.

And some are demonically possessed or accompanied.

I have been walking and gotten with ten or so feet of a complete stranger, who have whipped around, neither hearing or seeing me, looked at me, gotten all angry and their eyes seemed to shadow over deep black.

That was a demon.

Scoff if you will, KG. But that is still as real today as it has always been. And the Holy Spirit does still give the gift of discernment.

[Jessie]

I've had one other incident when I was in my early twentys.

there was a man who looked just like the picture of Jesus thats all over the place.
this man lived in a group home my mil used to work at, did'nt at that time though.

even my middle son when he was like just old enough to talk pointed at him in the dr. office and said, theres jesus. thats how much he looked like the picture.

well a few yrs later, I was out picking strawberries. and he was there too.
the head guy sent a few of us to the other side of the field which he was sent too.

the guy creeped me out. I knew there was demons. I kept my mouth shut and just picked berrys and that guy turned to me and said "YOU THINK I'M DEMON POSSESSED"

I just ignored him. but I tell you it scared me.

I wondered how did he know what I was thinking?

but he was nuts. I knew it long before. dont know the details.

with what core said, thats kindof what I see in that store clerk.
I've actually seen my sil's eyes turn black like that.
its unreal but to real.

[a.baker]

Oh my goodness I have chills! I am starting to sense something like that now just when I walk around like say to work early in the morning when its quiet for a big city and really dark! Maybe not demons but this eerie darkness following me and watching me often. I am not scared because I feel I have a shield but it is creepy! Its a weird feeling because I have been in such worse situations at dark time alone at night and have never felt this before! My walk is only like 3 min. I am always on my guard for creepos at this hour because it is the hour for crack heads lurking around as their high wears off. But it seems like a darkness something nonhuman. I know its there but ignore it! I always pray on my way to work. Its how I start my day.

[CoreIssue]

Welcome to the war.

Demons are very real.

We have guardian angels around us. What do you think they are guarding us from? ;)

[Jessie]

I've heard others say we dont have guardian angels, that after we are saved then
its god who does the protecting.

I tell you I've had it with the attacks. my life has been on the line several times.

I just want some peace to recoup.

and with the prayers I requested I feel like a great weight has been lifted off me.
sure wish it would last.

[Jessie]

ok what does one do when they are face to face with this and
the person they are controling is going off like a mad man?

I'm thinking back to a long time ago......
when I sensed 3 of them. and then literally all hell broke loose.

[a.baker]

Coreissue, Yeah I guess they do a lot more then I ever realized.
Jessie, That sounds like one for coreissue to answer because I don't know what I would do. And I will continue to pray for you.

[kay-gee]

No scoffing here! The whole thing kinda freaks me out. I've never had this experience. There is nothing to say that I couldn't have it some time. I don't know how I would react!

all the best...

[CoreIssue]

ok what does one do when they are face to face with this and
the person they are controling is going off like a mad man?

I'm thinking back to a long time ago......
when I sensed 3 of them. and then literally all hell broke loose.
Have faith and understanding they cannot touch you unless you break and allow them to.

If needed, invoke the name of Jesus to drive them away. In his name, not yours.

[Jessie]

I was mortified. and I did'nt know what to do at that age. never been taught.

why too would I sense them? when I was little I always aske the Lord that I would'nt ever see anything. I did'nt until I got married. boy was I in for it.:eek:

when you say they cant touch us, what exactly are you meaning?

[CoreIssue]

I was mortified. and I did'nt know what to do at that age. never been taught.

why too would I sense them? when I was little I always aske the Lord that I would'nt ever see anything. I did'nt until I got married. boy was I in for it.:eek:

when you say they cant touch us, what exactly are you meaning?
A demon can only have direct impact on those who allow it. Consciously or unconsciously.

Yes, the can influence a person to act on their behalf. But they cannot act direction.

And don't forget guardian angels.

[Jessie]

cannot act direction? I dont understand.

I have not knowing for sure I had a gaurdian angel, asked the Lord to have him stand between us and protect me, and he did go away. that was a long time ago.

[Jessie]

I was moritfied. but then I get angry nowadays. in that order.

[CoreIssue]

cannot act direction? I dont understand.

I have not knowing for sure I had a gaurdian angel, asked the Lord to have him stand between us and protect me, and he did go away. that was a long time ago.
He cannot reach out and grab you directly. He must act throught others, which is also limited.

[kay-gee]

If a demon can only have direct impact on those who allow them, then the solution seems simple. Stop believing in them and they can't exist. I can't think of any other reason why I have never had this experience. Set your minds on good things and evil is driven away! Just a theory!
all the best...

[CoreIssue]

If a demon can only have direct impact on those who allow them, then the solution seems simple. Stop believing in them and they can't exist.
That is utter nonsense.

Except, of course, unless you are trying the semantical slight of hand to say they only exist in one's mind.

Do you believe demons exist? I am as in real, evil, active and spirit being?

And the other question, that I asked before, that you didn't answer:
Do you see the Bible as a historical book, where Man is attempting to explain the unknown and supernatural, in a human way? Or, as with demons, do you see it as accurate, true history?
I can't think of any other reason why I have never had this experience. Set your minds on good things and evil is driven away! Just a theory!
all the best...
I guess you didn't accept all said, before.

Many are not attacked because they are not a threat, or are an insufficient threat, to their mission.

Non-literalists have many false doctrines. So, why attack them?

[kay-gee]

I think of it more like this. People that don't believe in God don't expect His influence or involvement in their lives. Not much God can do with hard hearts. Invoke the same principle to demons! So, though they may exist, they can have no existance in YOUR reality. It would seem logical that the more credence you lend to them, the more they will be part of your experience.
Also I don't think my stand on particular doctrines has any bearing on whether demons have any need to attack me. That to me is utter nonsense
(IMHO of course!)

all the best...

[CoreIssue]

I think of it more like this. People that don't believe in God don't expect His influence or involvement in their lives. Not much God can do with hard hearts.
Agree.
Invoke the same principle to demons! So, though they may exist,
May exist?

That was a dodge. Do they or don't they?

And this ties in with my question on how you view the Bible, which you again didn't answer.

Very telling, KG.
they can have no existance in YOUR reality.
Really? And where did you get that idea from?

My Bible clearly shows them around Christians and people being forced to deal with them.

It would seem logical that the more credence you lend to them, the more they will be part of your experience.

I don't see that in the Bible at all.

I see the more literal and true to God and his Word, one is, the more they try to interfer.

As with the demon possessed girl following the Apostles and working against them by seemingly praising them.

Also I don't think my stand on particular doctrines has any bearing on whether demons have any need to attack me. That to me is utter nonsense
(IMHO of course!)

Nonsense?

Why attack those in your corner, meaning working against sound doctrine. Even if not fully in your corner.

Again, no answer on how you see the Bible.

But your words are adding up over time, KG. Very telling on where you are. Very telling.

[kay-gee]

Ask me again, but more directly, about my take on the bible. I'm sure it's a small communication glitch that we can clear up in a jiffy!

all the best...

[CoreIssue]

Ask me again, but more directly, about my take on the bible. I'm sure it's a small communication glitch that we can clear up in a jiffy!

all the best...
I have asked directly.

Is the Bible always true, as written, or does it change with time, culture, science and such, in meaning?

You have alluded to it changing, as in things being considered demonic, then, that are considered diseases, now.

Using that example, when the Bible said demonic, did it mean demonic, or was it their attempt to put meaning to issues through the culture of their time, when it wasn't demonic at all?

This stricks right to the issue of inerrancy versus social, knowledge and cultural applicablity. A true revelation from God or a social document about God?

You cannot have it both ways.

[kay-gee]

Oh, the bible is absolutely 100% true! It has to be. It was authored by God. I don't belive that it ever changed. Times changed. I agree with you on the demon business in Acts. But those things happened to Apostles of the Lord Jesus Christ. We aren't apostles. Don't forget that they also could raise the dead. That is something that I am sure, is not done today, would you agree? Something changed.

all the best...

[CoreIssue]

Oh, the bible is absolutely 100% true! It has to be. It was authored by God. I don't belive that it ever changed. Times changed. I agree with you on the demon business in Acts. But those things happened to Apostles of the Lord Jesus Christ. We aren't apostles. Don't forget that they also could raise the dead. That is something that I am sure, is not done today, would you agree? Something changed.

all the best...
Hmmm. And what about all the demonic activity against everyday people? Did that just stop? Did it only start with the Apostles? Did it end with them?

Where do you ever get that was unique and only to that time period?

1 Cor doesn't say the gifts of the Holy Spirit were only given then. It says EVERY Christian has a gift, be it in every day life or in more dynamic gifts.

And it says ALL the gifts are given. Not some.

There are instructions for dealing with demons for all. Not just Apostles.

Also, there were Apostles, but the Bible says there are still apostles.

You don't believe people experience miracles, today? As in healing?

You don't believe their are people with gifts of discernment of spirts, prophecy, tongues and such, today?

I agree there are issues of degree. But all or nothing in these matters? No, I don't agree.

And I would like a bit more direct answer on the question I asked about things called demonic not being demonic, but mental disease. Just want clarity.

[kay-gee]

Wow! you believe there are still apostles today? (another thread perhaps)

As for demons and demonic activity. I have no doubt they exist. After all God created all the angels. If the demons are fallen angels, then they have to be around somewhere, because the lake of fire has not happened yet!

As far as the cashier at Wal-mart getting all Star-Trek eyed and jumping over the counter to take me out because I'm a believer, well.......Hmmm...my jury is out on that. But if it should happen to me, then I'll be on your side in a flash!

all the best...

[CoreIssue]

Wow! you believe there are still apostles today? (another thread perhaps)
Apostle means one sent for a special purpose. So, of course there are apostle, just not Apostles, today.

As there have always been fale Christs, just not The False Christ.

As for demons and demonic activity. I have no doubt they exist. After all God created all the angels. If the demons are fallen angels, then they have to be around somewhere, because the lake of fire has not happened yet!

Search the issue for threads on this subject.

Demons are not fallen angels. They are bound in the Pit. Demons are not.

As far as the cashier at Wal-mart getting all Star-Trek eyed and jumping over the counter to take me out because I'm a believer, well.......Hmmm...my jury is out on that. But if it should happen to me, then I'll be on your side in a flash!

No one said simply because one is a believer.

The statement was about being a STRONG and solidly based Christian that is more empowered by the Holy Spirit than the average believer.

There are gifts of many types and levels. Demons don't like being near people with certain gifts or strength levels, at all.