Ezekiel's Wheels (Ezekiel 1 & 10)

[Chrystalwuzhere]

The wheels within the wheels of Ezekiel's visions. I want to study this and understand it.

Usually, I can study something from scripture and eventually get it. This has stumped me. Perhaps if I could just get a visual of the wheels, it would help. But, no joy!

Can we discuss it?

Here are scripture passages I want to start with:

EZEKIEL 1

1 Now it came about in the thirtieth year, on the fifth day of the fourth month, while I was by the river Chebar among the exiles, the heavens were opened and I saw visions of God.

2 (On the fifth of the month in the fifth year of King Jehoiachin's exile,

3 the word of the LORD came expressly to Ezekiel the priest, son of Buzi, in the land of the Chaldeans by the river Chebar; and there the hand of the LORD came upon him.)

4 And as I looked, behold, a storm wind was coming from the north, a great cloud with fire flashing forth continually and a bright light around it, and in its midst something like glowing metal in the midst of the fire.

5 And within it there were figures resembling four living beings. And this was their appearance: they had human form.

6 Each of them had four faces and four wings.

7 And their legs were straight and their feet were like a calf's hoof, and they gleamed like burnished bronze.

8 Under their wings on their four sides were human hands. As for the faces and wings of the four of them,

9 their wings touched one another; their faces did not turn when they moved, each went straight forward.

10 As for the form of their faces, each had the face of a man, all four had the face of a lion on the right and the face of a bull on the left, and all four had the face of an eagle.

11 Such were their faces. Their wings were spread out above; each had two touching another being, and two covering their bodies.

12 And each went straight forward; wherever the spirit was about to go, they would go, without turning as they went.

13 In the midst of the living beings there was something that looked like burning coals of fire, like torches darting back and forth among the living beings. The fire was bright, and lightning was flashing from the fire.

14 And the living beings ran to and fro like bolts of lightning.

15 Now as I looked at the living beings, behold, there was one wheel on the earth beside the living beings, for each of the four of them.

16 The appearance of the wheels and their workmanship was like sparkling beryl, and all four of them had the same form, their appearance and workmanship being as if one wheel were within another.

17 Whenever they moved, they moved in any of their four directions, without turning as they moved.

18 As for their rims they were lofty and awesome, and the rims of all four of them were full of eyes round about.

19 And whenever the living beings moved, the wheels moved with them. And whenever the living beings rose from the earth, the wheels rose also.

20 Wherever the spirit was about to go, they would go in that direction. And the wheels rose close beside them; for the spirit of the living beings was in the wheels.

21 Whenever those went, these went; and whenever those stood still, these stood still. And whenever those rose from the earth, the wheels rose close beside them; for the spirit of the living beings was in the wheels.

22 Now over the heads of the living beings there was something like an expanse, like the awesome gleam of crystal, extended over their heads.

23 And under the expanse their wings were stretched out straight, one toward the other; each one also had two wings covering their bodies on the one side and on the other.

24 I also heard the sound of their wings like the sound of abundant waters as they went, like the voice of the Almighty, a sound of tumult like the sound of an army camp; whenever they stood still, they dropped their wings.

25 And there came a voice from above the expanse that was over their heads; whenever they stood still, they dropped their wings.

26 Now above the expanse that was over their heads there was something resembling a throne, like lapis lazuli in appearance; and on that which resembled a throne, high up, was a figure with the appearance of a man.

27 Then I noticed from the appearance of His loins and upward something like glowing metal that looked like fire all around within it, and from the appearance of His loins and downward I saw something like fire; and there was a radiance around Him.

28 As the appearance of the rainbow in the clouds on a rainy day, so was the appearance of the surrounding radiance. Such was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw it, I fell on my face and heard a voice speaking.


EZEKIEL 10

1 Then I looked, and behold, in the expanse that was over the heads of the cherubim something like a sapphire stone, in appearance resembling a throne, appeared above them.

2 And He spoke to the man clothed in linen and said, "Enter between the whirling wheels under the cherubim, and fill your hands with coals of fire from between the cherubim, and scatter them over the city." And he entered in my sight.

3 Now the cherubim were standing on the right side of the temple when the man entered, and the cloud filled the inner court.

4 Then the glory of the LORD went up from the cherub to the threshold of the temple, and the temple was filled with the cloud, and the court was filled with the brightness of the glory of the LORD.

5 Moreover, the sound of the wings of the cherubim was heard as far as the outer court, like the voice of God Almighty when He speaks.

6 And it came about when He commanded the man clothed in linen, saying, "Take fire from between the whirling wheels, from between the cherubim," he entered and stood beside a wheel.

7 Then the cherub stretched out his hand from between the cherubim to the fire which was between the cherubim, took some and put it into the hands of the one clothed in linen, who took it and went out.

8 And the cherubim appeared to have the form of a man's hand under their wings.

9 Then I looked, and behold, four wheels beside the cherubim, one wheel beside each cherub; and the appearance of the wheels was like the gleam of a Tarshish stone.

10 And as for their appearance, all four of them had the same likeness, as if one wheel were within another wheel.

11 When they moved, they went in any of their four directions without turning as they went; but they followed in the direction which they faced, without turning as they went.

12 And their whole body, their backs, their hands, their wings, and the wheels were full of eyes all around, the wheels belonging to all four of them.

13 The wheels were called in my hearing, the whirling wheels.

14 And each one had four faces. The first face was the face of a cherub, the second face was the face of a man, the third the face of a lion, and the fourth the face of an eagle.

15 Then the cherubim rose up. They are the living beings that I saw by the river Chebar.

16 Now when the cherubim moved, the wheels would go beside them; also when the cherubim lifted up their wings to rise from the ground, the wheels would not turn from beside them.

17 When the cherubim stood still, the wheels would stand still; and when they rose up, the wheels would rise with them; for the spirit of the living beings was in them.

18 Then the glory of the LORD departed from the threshold of the temple and stood over the cherubim.

19 When the cherubim departed, they lifted their wings and rose up from the earth in my sight with the wheels beside them; and they stood still at the entrance of the east gate of the Lord's house. And the glory of the God of Israel hovered over them.

20 These are the living beings that I saw beneath the God of Israel by the river Chebar; so I knew that they were cherubim.

21 Each one had four faces and each one four wings, and beneath their wings was the form of human hands.

22 As for the likeness of their faces, they were the same faces whose appearance I had seen by the river Chebar. Each one went straight ahead.


I know this is a lot of scripture, but I wanted the scripture I am focusing on to be posted here in this thread so those who lurk or read won't have to go off and look it up themselves.

I want to understand not only the wheels, but the living creatures, and everything about them as well. EVERYTHING!!!

So....let's do it.

[Chrystalwuzhere]

I hope someone bites at this. I would really like to discuss it.

[InTheWind]

I remember this topic came up once before, here i think. My suggestion was that it was a vision of a modern day attack helicopter. :nod:

[CoreIssue]

I remember this topic came up once before, here i think. My suggestion was that it was a vision of a modern day attack helicopter. :nod:
Doesn't fit the scenario.

And the wheels are under the Throne, not on top.

Plus they don't turn when they change directions.

You can actually find these exact wheels in the Temple.
1 Kings 7

27 He also made ten movable stands of bronze; each was four cubits long, four wide and three high. [a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Kings 7:27-39#fen-NIV-8962a)] 28 This is how the stands were made: They had side panels attached to uprights. 29 On the panels between the uprights were lions, bulls and cherubim—and on the uprights as well. Above and below the lions and bulls were wreaths of hammered work. 30 Each stand had four bronze wheels with bronze axles, and each had a basin resting on four supports, cast with wreaths on each side. 31 On the inside of the stand there was an opening that had a circular frame one cubit [b (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Kings 7:27-39#fen-NIV-8966b)] deep. This opening was round, and with its basework it measured a cubit and a half. [c (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Kings 7:27-39#fen-NIV-8966c)] Around its opening there was engraving. The panels of the stands were square, not round. 32 The four wheels were under the panels, and the axles of the wheels were attached to the stand. The diameter of each wheel was a cubit and a half. 33 The wheels were made like chariot wheels; the axles, rims, spokes and hubs were all of cast metal.
34 Each stand had four handles, one on each corner, projecting from the stand. 35 At the top of the stand there was a circular band half a cubit [d (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Kings 7:27-39#fen-NIV-8970d)] deep. The supports and panels were attached to the top of the stand. 36 He engraved cherubim, lions and palm trees on the surfaces of the supports and on the panels, in every available space, with wreaths all around. 37 This is the way he made the ten stands. They were all cast in the same molds and were identical in size and shape. 38 He then made ten bronze basins, each holding forty baths [e (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Kings 7:27-39#fen-NIV-8973e)] and measuring four cubits across, one basin to go on each of the ten stands. 39 He placed five of the stands on the south side of the temple and five on the north. He placed the Sea on the south side, at the southeast corner of the temple.


They carried the basins that cleansed the offerings to God.

As the Temples shows, Ezekiel was a representation of the Throne of God, appearing to Ezekiel. It included the aspects of offerings coming before God.

[InTheWind]

Well i knew i`d be wrong, i posted a picture of a helicopter on this forum last time this came up and seems many agreed. But no matter :swoon:

[CoreIssue]

Well i knew i`d be wrong, i posted a picture of a helicopter on this forum last time this came up and seems many agreed. But no matter :swoon:
I believe that was about either the Gog/Magog war, wasn't it?

There I fully agree there are some descriptions that could be attack helicopters.

[Chrystalwuzhere]

But what I don't understand is where scripture says that their spirit is in the wheels. What are the wheels exactly?

[CoreIssue]

But what I don't understand is where scripture says that their spirit is in the wheels. What are the wheels exactly?
That is a tough one.

I can only guess.

Spirit means, in one aspect, the purpose, emotion and drive of an individual.

So, maybe it means where their purposes were focused and moved to, so did the wheels. That the wheels were linked to them in some manner, almost like an extension.

Pure guess. Don't take it as more than that.

['67Scofield]

Let's see what we can agree on.

20 Wherever the spirit was about to go, they would go in that direction. And the wheels rose close beside them; for the spirit of the living beings was in the wheels.
the "living creatures and the "wheels" are part of each other. they can't be separated. So let's talk about the "LC" first.


First, can we agree that the "living creatures" are angels?

5 And within it there were figures resembling four living beings. And this was their appearance: they had human form.
their primary appearance was human

6 Each of them had four faces and four wings.
so I would think a face on each side of one head

7 And their legs were straight and their feet were like a calf's hoof, and they gleamed like burnished bronze.
?... legs were straight...?
I think a cow has cloven feet.
and they glowed. ok

8 Under their wings on their four sides were human hands. As for the faces and wings of the four of them,
seems to imply they had four sides to their entire body.

9 their wings touched one another; their faces did not turn when they moved, each went straight forward.
to me seems to imply some special wisdom.

10 As for the form of their faces, each had the face of a man, all four had the face of a lion on the right and the face of a bull on the left, and all four had the face of an eagle.
man, lion, bull, eagle...what does it mean?

[CoreIssue]

Let's see what we can agree on.

20 Wherever the spirit was about to go, they would go in that direction. And the wheels rose close beside them; for the spirit of the living beings was in the wheels.
the "living creatures and the "wheels" are part of each other. they can't be separated. So let's talk about the "LC" first.


First, can we agree that the "living creatures" are angels?

No. Both the Hebrew and Greek means beings of flesh and blood.
5 And within it there were figures resembling four living beings. And this was their appearance: they had human form.
their primary appearance was human


6 Each of them had four faces and four wings.
so I would think a face on each side of one head

7 And their legs were straight and their feet were like a calf's hoof, and they gleamed like burnished bronze.
?... legs were straight...?
I think a cow has cloven feet.
and they glowed. ok

And bronze is the color of judgement.

8 Under their wings on their four sides were human hands. As for the faces and wings of the four of them,
seems to imply they had four sides to their entire body.

OK.

9 their wings touched one another; their faces did not turn when they moved, each went straight forward.
to me seems to imply some special wisdom.

Or simply they had the ability to see all directions at one time.
10 As for the form of their faces, each had the face of a man, all four had the face of a lion on the right and the face of a bull on the left, and all four had the face of an eagle.
man, lion, bull, eagle...what does it mean?
Various symbols in the Bible that carry symbolic meanings.
Lion is wisdom and leadership.
Eagle far seeing and swift.
Bull is strength.
Man is a special creation that is not angelic. Sonship.

And some more I cannot think of immediately.

They reflect the power, wisdom and more carried on the Throne.

But they are a creation different from angels and Man.

[a.baker]

Now is this just speaking of a vision he saw in heaven or is it a vision some what linked to revelations. Present or future vision? Are there many places in the bible that talk of the creatures as extensively as this, to detail? I know they are mentioned in other places but not with quite so much detail ( except some very few places). Yes symbolic. That has got to be why God does not reveal some things to us. We, being in the world, just cannot possibly understand. What purpose does this specific scripture serve for our knowledge? Maybe this knowledge is meant for some but not others? But than that wouldn't make sense either. I am just as confused as you are Chrystal.

[CoreIssue]

Now is this just speaking of a vision he saw in heaven or is it a vision some what linked to revelations. Present or future vision? Are there many places in the bible that talk of the creatures as extensively as this, to detail? I know they are mentioned in other places but not with quite so much detail ( except some very few places). Yes symbolic. That has got to be why God does not reveal some things to us. We, being in the world, just cannot possibly understand. What purpose does this specific scripture serve for our knowledge? Maybe this knowledge is meant for some but not others? But than that wouldn't make sense either. I am just as confused as you are Chrystal.
The Living Beings are literal being around the Throne of God, as shown in Revelation.

Ezekiel says a vision of the Throne, thus they were included.

They are shown as being there past, present and future.

As to who they are, look at the the Pre-Adamic thread for some thoughts on that. :D

[InTheWind]

I remember this topic came up once before, here i think. My suggestion was that it was a vision of a modern day attack helicopter. :nod:
Doesn't fit the scenario.

And the wheels are under the Throne, not on top.

Plus they don't turn when they change directions.

You can actually find these exact wheels in the Temple.
1 Kings 7

27 He also made ten movable stands of bronze; each was four cubits long, four wide and three high. [a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Kings 7:27-39#fen-NIV-8962a)] 28 This is how the stands were made: They had side panels attached to uprights. 29 On the panels between the uprights were lions, bulls and cherubim—and on the uprights as well. Above and below the lions and bulls were wreaths of hammered work. 30 Each stand had four bronze wheels with bronze axles, and each had a basin resting on four supports, cast with wreaths on each side. 31 On the inside of the stand there was an opening that had a circular frame one cubit [b (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Kings 7:27-39#fen-NIV-8966b)] deep. This opening was round, and with its basework it measured a cubit and a half. [c (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Kings 7:27-39#fen-NIV-8966c)] Around its opening there was engraving. The panels of the stands were square, not round. 32 The four wheels were under the panels, and the axles of the wheels were attached to the stand. The diameter of each wheel was a cubit and a half. 33 The wheels were made like chariot wheels; the axles, rims, spokes and hubs were all of cast metal.
34 Each stand had four handles, one on each corner, projecting from the stand. 35 At the top of the stand there was a circular band half a cubit [d (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Kings 7:27-39#fen-NIV-8970d)] deep. The supports and panels were attached to the top of the stand. 36 He engraved cherubim, lions and palm trees on the surfaces of the supports and on the panels, in every available space, with wreaths all around. 37 This is the way he made the ten stands. They were all cast in the same molds and were identical in size and shape. 38 He then made ten bronze basins, each holding forty baths [e (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Kings 7:27-39#fen-NIV-8973e)] and measuring four cubits across, one basin to go on each of the ten stands. 39 He placed five of the stands on the south side of the temple and five on the north. He placed the Sea on the south side, at the southeast corner of the temple.


They carried the basins that cleansed the offerings to God.

As the Temples shows, Ezekiel was a representation of the Throne of God, appearing to Ezekiel. It included the aspects of offerings coming before God.

Not saying your wrong about what the meaning is but the wheels on a helicopter are on the bottom and when the blades, wings, lift the helicopter the wheels don`t turn.
There is a lot of resemblance, the faces would be the pilots and the blades make a very loud noise.

[CoreIssue]

I remember this topic came up once before, here i think. My suggestion was that it was a vision of a modern day attack helicopter. :nod:
Doesn't fit the scenario.

And the wheels are under the Throne, not on top.

Plus they don't turn when they change directions.

You can actually find these exact wheels in the Temple.
1 Kings 7

27 He also made ten movable stands of bronze; each was four cubits long, four wide and three high. [a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Kings 7:27-39#fen-NIV-8962a)] 28 This is how the stands were made: They had side panels attached to uprights. 29 On the panels between the uprights were lions, bulls and cherubim—and on the uprights as well. Above and below the lions and bulls were wreaths of hammered work. 30 Each stand had four bronze wheels with bronze axles, and each had a basin resting on four supports, cast with wreaths on each side. 31 On the inside of the stand there was an opening that had a circular frame one cubit [b (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Kings 7:27-39#fen-NIV-8966b)] deep. This opening was round, and with its basework it measured a cubit and a half. [c (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Kings 7:27-39#fen-NIV-8966c)] Around its opening there was engraving. The panels of the stands were square, not round. 32 The four wheels were under the panels, and the axles of the wheels were attached to the stand. The diameter of each wheel was a cubit and a half. 33 The wheels were made like chariot wheels; the axles, rims, spokes and hubs were all of cast metal.
34 Each stand had four handles, one on each corner, projecting from the stand. 35 At the top of the stand there was a circular band half a cubit [d (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Kings 7:27-39#fen-NIV-8970d)] deep. The supports and panels were attached to the top of the stand. 36 He engraved cherubim, lions and palm trees on the surfaces of the supports and on the panels, in every available space, with wreaths all around. 37 This is the way he made the ten stands. They were all cast in the same molds and were identical in size and shape. 38 He then made ten bronze basins, each holding forty baths [e (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Kings 7:27-39#fen-NIV-8973e)] and measuring four cubits across, one basin to go on each of the ten stands. 39 He placed five of the stands on the south side of the temple and five on the north. He placed the Sea on the south side, at the southeast corner of the temple.


They carried the basins that cleansed the offerings to God.

As the Temples shows, Ezekiel was a representation of the Throne of God, appearing to Ezekiel. It included the aspects of offerings coming before God.

Not saying your wrong about what the meaning is but the wheels on a helicopter are on the bottom and when the blades, wings, lift the helicopter the wheels don`t turn.
There is a lot of resemblance, the faces would be the pilots and the blades make a very loud noise.
I do believe helicopters are shown in the Bible. As well as tanks and such.

But here, in Ezekiel, it is the Throne. Not a war setting. God is speaking, prophecying, not fighting.

Compare it to the OT Ark, the Throne of God, in the Holy of Holies and the Throne in Revelation.

[CoreIssue]

I remember this topic came up once before, here i think. My suggestion was that it was a vision of a modern day attack helicopter. :nod:
Doesn't fit the scenario.

And the wheels are under the Throne, not on top.

Plus they don't turn when they change directions.

You can actually find these exact wheels in the Temple.
1 Kings 7

27 He also made ten movable stands of bronze; each was four cubits long, four wide and three high. [a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Kings 7:27-39#fen-NIV-8962a)] 28 This is how the stands were made: They had side panels attached to uprights. 29 On the panels between the uprights were lions, bulls and cherubim—and on the uprights as well. Above and below the lions and bulls were wreaths of hammered work. 30 Each stand had four bronze wheels with bronze axles, and each had a basin resting on four supports, cast with wreaths on each side. 31 On the inside of the stand there was an opening that had a circular frame one cubit [b (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Kings 7:27-39#fen-NIV-8966b)] deep. This opening was round, and with its basework it measured a cubit and a half. [c (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Kings 7:27-39#fen-NIV-8966c)] Around its opening there was engraving. The panels of the stands were square, not round. 32 The four wheels were under the panels, and the axles of the wheels were attached to the stand. The diameter of each wheel was a cubit and a half. 33 The wheels were made like chariot wheels; the axles, rims, spokes and hubs were all of cast metal.
34 Each stand had four handles, one on each corner, projecting from the stand. 35 At the top of the stand there was a circular band half a cubit [d (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Kings 7:27-39#fen-NIV-8970d)] deep. The supports and panels were attached to the top of the stand. 36 He engraved cherubim, lions and palm trees on the surfaces of the supports and on the panels, in every available space, with wreaths all around. 37 This is the way he made the ten stands. They were all cast in the same molds and were identical in size and shape. 38 He then made ten bronze basins, each holding forty baths [e (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Kings 7:27-39#fen-NIV-8973e)] and measuring four cubits across, one basin to go on each of the ten stands. 39 He placed five of the stands on the south side of the temple and five on the north. He placed the Sea on the south side, at the southeast corner of the temple.


They carried the basins that cleansed the offerings to God.

As the Temples shows, Ezekiel was a representation of the Throne of God, appearing to Ezekiel. It included the aspects of offerings coming before God.

Not saying your wrong about what the meaning is but the wheels on a helicopter are on the bottom and when the blades, wings, lift the helicopter the wheels don`t turn.
There is a lot of resemblance, the faces would be the pilots and the blades make a very loud noise.
I do believe helicopters are shown in the Bible. As well as tanks and such.

But here, in Ezekiel, it is the Throne. Not a war setting. God is speaking, prophecying, not fighting.

Compare it to the OT Ark, the Throne of God, in the Holy of Holies and the Throne in Revelation.

[InTheWind]

I was just correcting ya about the wheels being on the bottom and not turning on a chopper. :p

[CoreIssue]

I was just correcting ya about the wheels being on the bottom and not turning on a chopper. :p
I stand corrected! :D

['67Scofield]

Man is a special creation that is not angelic. Sonship.
Agreed.
...What is man that you are mindful of him? or the son of man that you visited him?
You made him a little lower than the angels, you crown him with glory and honor... Heb. 2:6-7
and let's be clear, angels are also sons of God. Different creation, same Father, loved no less.


No. Both the Hebrew and Greek means beings of flesh and blood.
interesting, reconcile 1Cor. 15:50 - Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God...

[CoreIssue]

Quote:
No. Both the Hebrew and Greek means beings of flesh and blood.
interesting, reconcile 1Cor. 15:50 - Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God...

Indeed, human flesh and blood cannot do so.

But the Living Creatures are not human.

Read the Pre-Adamic thread. Much of this is spelled out there.

[Chrystalwuzhere]

I still can't envision the wheels. *sigh*

Try as I might, my mind won't see them!

[CoreIssue]

I still can't envision the wheels. *sigh*

Try as I might, my mind won't see them!
Here is what I see. Not sure if I can describe it.

First, I upload a pic of chrysolite.

So, four chrystal wheels, probably chariot like since they have rims. Wheels are catching the glow and light of the fire within and among the surrounding 4, so an orange fire glow flickering and caught in the green of the crystal wheels. Rims are covered in eyes, as are their bodies and wings, and they have the spirits of the 4 living in them. Take close note here there are physical bodies and spirits of the 4 clearly stated here.

The edge of the wheels are all touching each other, 90 degrees to each other. They are huge wheels.

Beside each wheel, I believe floating in the air, is a living creature. They are glowing and rippling with fire within each and among all, like hot coals
in a fireplace.

Each has 4 wings with two wings each elevated and touching a neighbor over the edge of wheel rims. Those stay locked together. The other two wings are folded down and across their individual bodies when they are still and they raise and flap over top the rims of the wheels when moving.

The expanse and throne above I believe are the same shown as the sea and throne setting in Revelation.

Hope that helps a bit.

[Chrystalwuzhere]

AUUUGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :sob:



:faint:







*sniffle*

[Jessie]

for years I've tried to understand this but Chrystal girl you just said my feelings very very well!

[CoreIssue]

:eek: Am I missing something or just plain weird here? It makes sense to me. :scratch:

[Chrystalwuzhere]

I just can't see it in my mind. I can't GET IT!!!!!! Auggghhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!

[CoreIssue]

I just can't see it in my mind. I can't GET IT!!!!!! Auggghhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!
Built it a component at a time.

First one wheel. Look at a chariot wheel. and convert it to chrysolite.
Then bump all four together at 90 degrees.
Then build a pic of living creatures.
Add one by each wheel and so on.

Awesome picture.

[Chrystalwuzhere]

It looks like an evolving Excel Spreadsheet Flowchart thingee in my mind...and it turns!

:banghead:

[CoreIssue]

It looks like an evolving Excel Spreadsheet Flowchart thingee in my mind...and it turns!

:banghead:
:roflmbo:

[Jessie]

maybe I've got this all wrong in my mind.

its almost like a fairy tale type apperence.
the beauty of it all.

does that make sense?

[CoreIssue]

maybe I've got this all wrong in my mind.

its almost like a fairy tale type apperence.
the beauty of it all.

does that make sense?
It does.

The eternal realm isn't limited as our physical realm is. Much of what we see as fairy tale and such is very real there, as in absolute purity, immortal, walking through walls, flying and more. And I mean us as well.

[Jessie]

that is so cool....I just love it.

I thought you'd all think I was nutty for saying that.

[Chrystalwuzhere]

I almost feel like my mind is bound on this one.

[Jessie]

think fairy tale.... LOL

this is so neat! but yes, I understand what you mean.
its hard to understand the purpose, how they function, and all that.

[CTZonEdit]

OK. Chrystal these may help you "see" them:

Ted Larson. (http://home.earthlink.net/~ezeprof/Ezekiel%20Index.htm)

I have posted his art before and he is wonderful.

But here are 3 examples:

http://home.earthlink.net/~ezeprof/CHERUBIM.jpg
Ezekiel 1:5-6 Cherubim

http://home.earthlink.net/~ezeprof/WHEEL-WITHIN-WHEEL.jpg
Ezekiel 1:15-16 The Wheels Within Wheels

http://home.earthlink.net/~ezeprof/THE-RIVER-THRONE-VISION.jpg
Ezekiel 1:22-28 Vision of the Throne at the River Chebar

[CoreIssue]

Good pics.

Remember in Ezekiel 1 there are four wheels and they all touch each other. That would be another pic.

I would have made the wheels more green with the fire going through them and the faces on one head, four sided, not four heads.

But this guy is an artist supreme and captured the essence quite nicely.

Now think of that in 3D.

[Chrystalwuzhere]

Whoa! Thanks CTZ!!!!!

Now, what are they for?

:D

[Chrystalwuzhere]

j/k j/k j/k

[Chrystalwuzhere]

Actually, I was seeing the wheels right...just not the way they were lined up side by side. When Core said 90 degrees, it threw me.

Now, that makes sense.

[CoreIssue]

Actually, I was seeing the wheels right...just not the way they were lined up side by side. When Core said 90 degrees, it threw me.

Now, that makes sense.
Two different times and issues. The imagery did vary at different points of time. Here is what I was referring to.
In appearance their form was that of a man, 6 but each of them had four faces and four wings.
4 faces, not heads.
15 As I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the ground beside each creature with its four faces.
One wheel beside each creature. Not between two each.
16 This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like chrysolite, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel.
Like, not actually two wheels intersecting. I have a problem with the word intersecting here. One within another is more accurate and true to wheels that actually existed. And actually the descriptive some other translations.

Plus, this is like the imagery of the Laver found in Solomon's Temple. It had the 4 Living with a wheel beside each, wheels on ground but four off the ground.

I found this (http://www.bibleorigins.net/EzekielsCherubim.html)looking for pic. Take CTZ's pics and make the heads and wheels this and I think it is more accurate.
Strong's Number: 8432 Browse Lexicon (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/browse.cgi?number=08432&version=nas)Original WordWord Origin$wtfrom an unused root meaning to severTransliterated WordTDNT (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=08432&version=nas#Legend) EntryTavekTWOT - 2498Phonetic SpellingParts of Speechtaw'-vek http://bible.crosswalk.com/images/audio.gif (http://bible.crosswalk.com/cgi-bin/lexicon.pl?id=8432h) Noun Masculine Definition

midst, middle
midst, middle
into, through (after verbs of motion)
among (of a number of persons)
between (of things arranged by twos)
from among (as to take or separate etc)

Now, put together one wheel beside each, all 4 joined by wing tips touching, above HUGE wheels

But yep, I have to be wrong on the 90 degrees. For sure.

Using the Laver as the model that works the wheels are positioned as they would be under the Laver/cart, one on each corner with one Being on the inside, thus onely one wheel beside each but this allows them to be above and have their wings touch.

Without the axels connecting the wheels each wheel would look like a wheel within a wheel.

Sorry about that error.

All that aside, the artwork is amazing and inspiring.

[Jessie]

why these faces? what do they mean?

[CoreIssue]

why these faces? what do they mean?
Many things.

Around the encampment of Israel the tribes were divided into 4 groups. Each had flags holding those faces or similar to these 4 faces.

They are included in the Temple at Jerusalem. Also you see them as individual faces, one each, in Revelation.

Now, what do the mean? First, remember they are always with the thrown of God, so maybe for Christ as relates to Man:
Lion - King
Calf - Blood Sacrifice
Eagle - All seeing and sovereign God
Man - His humanity

Even more so they are not angels but flesh and blood with spirits. So his being flesh and spirit as well.

In enternity you see the royal court representing and honoring all aspects of God and the totality of all his creatures and creations.

[Jessie]

that makes sense! thank you!

[Chrystalwuzhere]

Excellent! :clapclap: