International Worship Institute

[worship2]

Seeking the next level of worship? Transcend at this year’s International Worship Institute.

Worshipers and leaders from around the world, different generations and denominations, different races and cultures with many styles and forms of worship in one place.
Many Worship Streams. One People. One Place.

WHEN: July 3-6, 2007
WHERE: Gaylord Texan Resort & Convention Center, Grapevine
MORE INFO: www.WorshipInstitute.com (http://www.WorshipInstitute.com)

[Jessie]

http://worshipinstitute.com/sem_musicandmiracles.php

this does'nt sound good..

[kay-gee]

Looks like an advertisement to me!....................all the best..........

[worship2]

http://worshipinstitute.com/sem_musicandmiracles.php

this does'nt sound good..

What do you mean it doesn't sound good? I don't fully understand your comment, can you explain it some more?:tiphat:

[CoreIssue]

Music facilitating miracles?

Same music as heard in Heaven? A big claim you cannot prove it and more so, no earthly music can compare with what is heard in heaven.

Causing oracles?

Changing the environment?

Not Biblical.

You will not find fans of Pentecostalism, even more so WoF, here. Too many have been hurt by the false teachings come from these.

Don't get me wrong, all are welcome to come and discuss. But we are Biblical literalists.

Pentecostalism is emotion, experience and signs and wonders centered.

[eahaddix]

http://worshipinstitute.com/sem_musicandmiracles.php

this does'nt sound good..

What do you mean it doesn't sound good? I don't fully understand your comment, can you explain it some more?:tiphat:

Worship2, if you are a Charismatic Pentecostal, then you have a lot to explain indeed. Biblical Scripture gives us the authority and mandate to test all things (1 Thessalonians 5:21 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Thessalonians%205:21;&version=31;), i.e. 1 John 4:1 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20John%204:1;&version=31;), Romans 12:2 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%2012:2;&version=31;), 2 Corinthians 13:5 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Corinthians%2013:5;&version=31;), Galatians 6:4 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians%206:4;&version=31;), etc.), a mandate which cannot be ignored by the argument that your beliefs cannot be verified without proper faith and a simple reference to Hebrews 11:1 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews%2011:1;&version=31;).

Apart from CoreIssue's objections, let us start with six basic, yet far-reaching questions about Charismatic Pentecostalism.
(1) If "born again" believers are the temple of God the Spirit individually and collectively (1 Corinthians 3:16 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%203:16;&version=31;), 1 Corinthians 6:19 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%206:19;&version=31;), 2 Corinthians 6:16 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Corinthians%206:16;&version=31;), Ephesians 2:19-22 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians%202:19-22;&version=31;), cross ref. Romans 8:9 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%208:9;&version=31;), 1 Corinthians 12:13 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%2012:13;&version=31;)), then why do Charismatic Pentecostals need to "summon" any external spirits which "change" the environment and "overshadow" people during worship services?
(2) How do I know when a Charismatic Pentecostal's "anointing" is genuine or simply self-proclaimed, especially if all believers are spiritually anointed already (1 John 2:20, 27 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20John%202:20,%2027;&version=31;))?
(3) How do I know when Charismatic Pentecostals actually "speak in tongues," as opposed to incoherently babbling in a fleshy manner, if they do so without an interpreter publicly (1 Corinthians 14:6-13, 27-28 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%2014:6-13,%2027-28;&version=31;))?
(4) Why are the "healings" which Charismatic Pentecostals "perform" never actually observed or verified, as opposed to simply recounted?
(5) Where does the Bible teach the Principle of Agreement, or the idea that a group of believers can cause a supernatural event by simply agreeing or declaring that the said event will happen in the future during prayer?
(6) Why do I need the music, songs, bands, and "worship leaders" of Charismatic Pentecostalism to worship Christ Jesus and God the Father, if we worship our Lords in spirit and truth (John 4:24 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%204:24;&version=31;))?

I hope that you return to this thread and answer my questions. Unfortunately, most Charismatic Pentecostals do not believe that they must defend their beliefs (ref. 1 Peter 3:15 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Peter%203:15;&version=31;), cross ref. Job 34:3 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job%2034:3;&version=31;)), but rather they simply ignore those who question them. However, I hope that you will transcend this mold and demonstrate that your viewpoint is Biblical.

[eahaddix]

Music facilitating miracles?

Same music as heard in Heaven? A big claim you cannot prove it and more so, no earthly music can compare with what is heard in heaven.

Causing oracles?

Changing the environment?

Not Biblical.

You will not find fans of Pentecostalism, even more so WoF, here. Too many have been hurt by the false teachings come from these.

Don't get me wrong, all are welcome to come and discuss. But we are Biblical literalists.

Pentecostalism is emotion, experience and signs and wonders centered.

The key danger of Charismatic Pentecostalism is its "slippery slope" logical methodology (ref. the "Slippery Slope" Logical Fallacy (http://www.fallacyfiles.org/slipslop.html)). Specifically, Charismatic Pentecostalism abuses the Biblical allowance for the extra-Biblical dynamics of our personal walk with Christ Jesus and God the Father by taking non-sequitur logical steps from legitimate and reasonable extra-Biblical things to unBiblical and anti-Biblical things.

This point is illustrated by the following quintessential "slippery slope" logic:
(a) "God Almighty can do anything at any time, but he only gives you and other people the spiritual experiences which you can handle. Therefore, who are you to say what he can and cannot do with other people?"
(b) "God Almighty does bless his people materially in this world, such as in how he blessed Abraham, Joseph, Job, Solomon, and various unnamed New Testament Christians, relatively speaking. Therefore, why should we not progressively seek more material blessings in God's will for our lives?"