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05-25-2007, 10:25 AM
Jas:2:17:
This isn't talking about doing things (how a person acts) before a person has faith that Jesus is the promised Messiah, it is talking about how a person acts towards others after they have accepted Christ as their Lord. That would also include believing that Jesus died and rose from the dead.
Works without faith doesn't bring one knowledge about God or Christ. There would have to be some sort of knowledge (gleaned from Scripture) before faith or belief can exist. Since interaction with other people doesn't come to an end when faith and belief exist then those interaction are works.
Is abstaining from sin a work? Since it only involves one person I wouldn't define that as a work but more akin to observation of part of His two Laws.
Jas:2:8:
If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself,
ye do well:
Jas:2:9:
But if ye have respect to persons,
ye commit sin,
and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
Jas:2:10:
For whosoever shall keep the whole law,
and yet offend in one point,
he is guilty of all.
Jas:2:11:
For he that said,
Do not commit adultery,
said also,
Do not kill.
Now if thou commit no adultery,
yet if thou kill,
thou art become a transgressor of the law.
This next verse would certainly qualify as a work,
Jas:2:15:
If a brother or sister be naked,
and destitute of daily food,
Jas:2:16:
And one of you say unto them,
Depart in peace,
be ye warmed and filled;
notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body;
what doth it profit?
It is one thing to know that grace will cover a multitude of sin, it is quite another to sin so that grace may abound.
Ro:5:1:
Therefore being justified by faith,
we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Ro:5:2:
By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand,
and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Ro:5:3:
And not only so,
but we glory in tribulations also:
knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
Ro:5:4:
And patience,
experience;
and experience,
hope:
Ro:5:5:
And hope maketh not ashamed;
because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
Ro:5:6:
For when we were yet without strength,
in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Ro:5:13:
(For until the law sin was in the world:
but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Ro:5:14:
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses,
even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression,
who is the figure of him that was to come.
Ro:5:15:
But not as the offence,
so also is the free gift.
For if through the offence of one many be dead,
much more the grace of God,
and the gift by grace,
which is by one man,
Jesus Christ,
hath abounded unto many.
Ro:5:16:
And not as it was by one that sinned,
so is the gift:
for the judgment was by one to condemnation,
but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
Ro:5:17:
For if by one man's offence death reigned by one;
much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one,
Jesus Christ.)
Ro:5:18:
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation;
even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Ro:5:19:
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners,
so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Ro:5:20:
Moreover the law entered,
that the offence might abound.
But where sin abounded,
grace did much more abound:
Ro:5:21:
That as sin hath reigned unto death,
even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
Ro:6:1:
What shall we say then?
Shall we continue in sin,
that grace may abound?
Ro:6:2:
God forbid.
How shall we,
that are dead to sin,
live any longer therein?
Ro:6:3:
Know ye not,
that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Ro:6:4:
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death:
that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father,
even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Ro:6:5:
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death,
we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Ro:6:6:
Knowing this,
that our old man is crucified with him,
that the body of sin might be destroyed,
that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Ro:6:7:
For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Ro:6:8:
Now if we be dead with Christ,
we believe that we shall also live with him:
Ro:6:9:
Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more;
death hath no more dominion over him.
Ro:6:10:
For in that he died,
he died unto sin once:
but in that he liveth,
he liveth unto God.
Ro:6:11:
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin,
but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Ro:6:12:
Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body,
that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Ro:6:13:
Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin:
but yield yourselves unto God,
as those that are alive from the dead,
and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Ro:6:14:
For sin shall not have dominion over you:
for ye are not under the law,
but under grace.
Ro:6:15:
What then?
shall we sin,
because we are not under the law,
but under grace?
God forbid.
Since most sins are the result of how a person deals with another person is forgiveness as easy as repenting that sin? It would seem that a little more is required, I see no reason that prayer is not the equivalent to what is spoken of in the verses below.
M't:5:21:
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time,
Thou shalt not kill;
and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
M't:5:22:
But I say unto you,
That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother,
Raca,
shall be in danger of the council:
but whosoever shall say,
Thou fool,
shall be in danger of hell fire.
M't:5:23:
Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar,
and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
M't:5:24:
Leave there thy gift before the altar,
and go thy way;
first be reconciled to thy brother,
and then come and offer thy gift.
If repenting a sin against another is known only between a person and God then is the person who was sinned against to be left without knowledge that (an action) was admitted to God as being wrong and it being in need of repentance (and not done again to anybody)?
This isn't talking about doing things (how a person acts) before a person has faith that Jesus is the promised Messiah, it is talking about how a person acts towards others after they have accepted Christ as their Lord. That would also include believing that Jesus died and rose from the dead.
Works without faith doesn't bring one knowledge about God or Christ. There would have to be some sort of knowledge (gleaned from Scripture) before faith or belief can exist. Since interaction with other people doesn't come to an end when faith and belief exist then those interaction are works.
Is abstaining from sin a work? Since it only involves one person I wouldn't define that as a work but more akin to observation of part of His two Laws.
Jas:2:8:
If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself,
ye do well:
Jas:2:9:
But if ye have respect to persons,
ye commit sin,
and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
Jas:2:10:
For whosoever shall keep the whole law,
and yet offend in one point,
he is guilty of all.
Jas:2:11:
For he that said,
Do not commit adultery,
said also,
Do not kill.
Now if thou commit no adultery,
yet if thou kill,
thou art become a transgressor of the law.
This next verse would certainly qualify as a work,
Jas:2:15:
If a brother or sister be naked,
and destitute of daily food,
Jas:2:16:
And one of you say unto them,
Depart in peace,
be ye warmed and filled;
notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body;
what doth it profit?
It is one thing to know that grace will cover a multitude of sin, it is quite another to sin so that grace may abound.
Ro:5:1:
Therefore being justified by faith,
we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Ro:5:2:
By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand,
and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Ro:5:3:
And not only so,
but we glory in tribulations also:
knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
Ro:5:4:
And patience,
experience;
and experience,
hope:
Ro:5:5:
And hope maketh not ashamed;
because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
Ro:5:6:
For when we were yet without strength,
in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Ro:5:13:
(For until the law sin was in the world:
but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Ro:5:14:
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses,
even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression,
who is the figure of him that was to come.
Ro:5:15:
But not as the offence,
so also is the free gift.
For if through the offence of one many be dead,
much more the grace of God,
and the gift by grace,
which is by one man,
Jesus Christ,
hath abounded unto many.
Ro:5:16:
And not as it was by one that sinned,
so is the gift:
for the judgment was by one to condemnation,
but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
Ro:5:17:
For if by one man's offence death reigned by one;
much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one,
Jesus Christ.)
Ro:5:18:
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation;
even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Ro:5:19:
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners,
so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Ro:5:20:
Moreover the law entered,
that the offence might abound.
But where sin abounded,
grace did much more abound:
Ro:5:21:
That as sin hath reigned unto death,
even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
Ro:6:1:
What shall we say then?
Shall we continue in sin,
that grace may abound?
Ro:6:2:
God forbid.
How shall we,
that are dead to sin,
live any longer therein?
Ro:6:3:
Know ye not,
that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Ro:6:4:
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death:
that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father,
even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Ro:6:5:
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death,
we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Ro:6:6:
Knowing this,
that our old man is crucified with him,
that the body of sin might be destroyed,
that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Ro:6:7:
For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Ro:6:8:
Now if we be dead with Christ,
we believe that we shall also live with him:
Ro:6:9:
Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more;
death hath no more dominion over him.
Ro:6:10:
For in that he died,
he died unto sin once:
but in that he liveth,
he liveth unto God.
Ro:6:11:
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin,
but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Ro:6:12:
Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body,
that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Ro:6:13:
Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin:
but yield yourselves unto God,
as those that are alive from the dead,
and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Ro:6:14:
For sin shall not have dominion over you:
for ye are not under the law,
but under grace.
Ro:6:15:
What then?
shall we sin,
because we are not under the law,
but under grace?
God forbid.
Since most sins are the result of how a person deals with another person is forgiveness as easy as repenting that sin? It would seem that a little more is required, I see no reason that prayer is not the equivalent to what is spoken of in the verses below.
M't:5:21:
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time,
Thou shalt not kill;
and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
M't:5:22:
But I say unto you,
That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother,
Raca,
shall be in danger of the council:
but whosoever shall say,
Thou fool,
shall be in danger of hell fire.
M't:5:23:
Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar,
and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
M't:5:24:
Leave there thy gift before the altar,
and go thy way;
first be reconciled to thy brother,
and then come and offer thy gift.
If repenting a sin against another is known only between a person and God then is the person who was sinned against to be left without knowledge that (an action) was admitted to God as being wrong and it being in need of repentance (and not done again to anybody)?