Aliens?

[inkedup]

Is there any Bible verses that mention the existance of life on other planets?

How can all the UFO sightings that have been recorded over the years be explained from a biblical standpoint?

[CoreIssue]

I, and some others, believe that other planets were originally created as domain/sanctuaries of angel. That ended when Satan rebelled.

As for created life, there are no verses indicating any such thing.

UFO's, indirectly, can be found in such as Revelation, where it says the AC, FP and Satan will do miraculous things in the sky.

This shows that the can be, and probably are, deceptive actions of demons.

While such can be found throughout history, such sighting have increased in these Last Days. Thus are part of setting the stage for the Trib.

Hope that helps.

[inkedup]

I, and some others, believe that other planets were originally created as domain/sanctuaries of angel. That ended when Satan rebelled.

Interesting...

Could you please elaborate on this more, bible verses for reference would be much appreciated.

[Jessie]

would there have been trees, grass and such on the planets or barren like they are now?

[eahaddix]

Is there any Bible verses that mention the existance of life on other planets?

How can all the UFO sightings that have been recorded over the years be explained from a biblical standpoint?

Inkedup, there is no unequivocal evidence that extraterrestrial UFOs or EBEs (i.e. "the Grays") have visited Earth. To the contrary, individuals like Dan Ackroyd would have us believe that "repressed memories" undcovered by hypnosis, fuzzy and ambiguous images of amateur media and ancient drawings, hearsay myths, and the mystical experiences of uneducated country folks can count as evidence of technologically superior extraterrestrial UFOs' presence on Earth.

To the contrary, I believe that all known UFO "sightings" can be explained by two things.

First, I believe that general UFO "sightings" like the Roswell Incident exposed the existence of secret U.S. Military aircraft, which the U.S. military routinely creates and takes on test flights. Yet the U.S. military would rather spend more time denying the existence of extraterrestrial UFOs, as opposed to admitting that it conducts such test flights with such aircraft.

Second, I believe that the more surreal UFO "sightings" and "alien abductions" are the activities of evil spirits, which are trying to persuade people to embrace New Age beliefs. Many people try to use extraterrestrial UFOs as an explanation for the Evolutionary origin of life, a rationalization for the worldly appearences of Godly angels and YHWH 'Elohiym, and a mystical means for human "discovery" and "evolution."

Through my gift of disernment (ref. 1 Corinthians 12:7, 10 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%2012:7,%2010;&version=31;) [Greek] (http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=1+Corinthians+12%3A7%2C+10&section=0&it=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na)), I have observed that the reported appearence of most "Grays" (i.e. oversized head, short and thin gray body, completely black "almond" eyes) is strikingly similar to the uncloaked appearence of many evil spirits (i.e. a deformed and mutilated "salmon gray" fetus). In addition, I have noticed that the physiological phenomena which people have reportedly experienced during a "alien abduction" (i.e. sleep paralysis, dazzling bright visions, presence of alien figures, an alternative mental state) is strikingly similar to the symptoms of demonic opression and possession (i.e. conscious paralysis, horrific visions, a dark presence, a twisting of reality). And, finally, many people have actually reported that the name of Christ Jesus actually can stop a "UFO abduction."

However, after all things are said and done, I am not closed to the possibility of genuine extraterrestrial UFOs or EBEs' existence. No element of Biblical Christianity's systematic theology precludes the existence of such beings. However, since this time is the time of 2 Thessalonians 2:3 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Thessalonians%202:3;&version=31;)'s Great Apostasy (ref. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-10 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Thessalonians%202:1-10;&version=31;)), I believe that the divine revealing of any such truth would do God's plan on Earth more harm than good.

[InTheWind]

would there have been trees, grass and such on the planets or barren like they are now?

Science can only observe very close planets in our solar system. Our Galaxy which would take many life times to cross if you could travel at the speed of light contains billions of stars, planets. There are billions of galaxy`s in the universe and that`s just a guess.
Our planet is like a grain of sand out of all the beaches on earth compared too all the planets in our galaxy alone.
Is there life out there somewhere, only God knows. My opinion about UFO`s is it`s all deception from Satan, not that you couldn't`t walk up and touch one then have it vanish.
The UFO thing that led to the space program and the idea of life out there has done great harm to the creation theory IMO, of course that`s just what Satan wants.

[eahaddix]

I, and some others, believe that other planets were originally created as domain/sanctuaries of angel. That ended when Satan rebelled.

And why do angels need planetary "domains and sanctuaries"?

I am more inclined to believe that the Pre-Adamic race may have been interplanetary travelers by an unknown means, with the angels openly mingling and associating with these beings as they lived their interstellar lives. In short, the Pre-Adamic Era could be comparable to the Era of the New Heavens and the New Earth.

As for created life, there are no verses indicating any such thing.

;) Hold on a second. Biblical Scripture does not say that viruses, bacteria, and protozoa cause physical sickness, so should we forsake worldly medicine which is based on this fact and only use prayer to cure physical sickness which is related to these organisms?

My point is that Biblical Scripture was not meant to annex and cover certain areas of material. And I believe that the possible existence of extraterrestrial creatures may fit into this distinction.

UFO's, indirectly, can be found in such as Revelation, where it says the AC, FP and Satan will do miraculous things in the sky.

This shows that the can be, and probably are, deceptive actions of demons.

I agree with this point. Hal Lindsey should do a special program on this issue. :nod:

While such can be found throughout history, such sighting have increased in these Last Days. Thus are part of setting the stage for the Trib.

Even self-proclaimed "UFO researchers" will admit that the number of UFO "sightings" and "alien abductions" have increased drastically during the last half of the 20th Century.

[CoreIssue]

I, and some others, believe that other planets were originally created as domain/sanctuaries of angel. That ended when Satan rebelled.

And why do angels need planetary "domains and sanctuaries"?
Well, in referring to the Pre-Adamic thread, it speaks of Satan and the Fallen Angels loosing their sanctuaries.

What is a sanctuary? A personal place.

It speaks of Satan treading the fiery gems.

Beautiful, perfect planets would be like gems in the light.

That is what I base it on.

The sanctuaries were somewhere. God created the planets, not in vain.

It is the most plausible answer I can think of to cover all the bases.

Prove it? No.

But prove no aliens? I believe so because they would either have to be perfect beings or have a Savior of their own.

I don't see the Bible making room for another cross.
I am more inclined to believe that the Pre-Adamic race may have been interplanetary travelers by an unknown means, with the angels openly mingling and associating with these beings as they lived their interstellar lives. In short, the Pre-Adamic Era could be comparable to the Era of the New Heavens and the New Earth.
It doesn't fit God's pattern for flesh life, to me.

But even then, it would not explain UFO's, today.

As for created life, there are no verses indicating any such thing.

;) Hold on a second. Biblical Scripture does not say that viruses, bacteria, and protozoa cause physical sickness, so should we forsake worldly medicine which is based on this fact and only use prayer to cure physical sickness which is related to these organisms?

Bad logic.

The NT says to be annointed with oil and prayed over when ill.

Oil was the big medicine of the day.

Paul said some wine was good for a bad stomach. Again, medicine.

So, prayer and medicine are in the Bible.

My point is that Biblical Scripture was not meant to annex and cover certain areas of material. And I believe that the possible existence of extraterrestrial creatures may fit into this distinction.

I was looking at the sin and blood payment issues to eliminate them.

UFO's, indirectly, can be found in such as Revelation, where it says the AC, FP and Satan will do miraculous things in the sky.

This shows that the can be, and probably are, deceptive actions of demons.

I agree with this point. Hal Lindsey should do a special program on this issue. :nod:

He did, many years ago.

And I think he covered it in Satan is Alive and Well on Planet Earth.
While such can be found throughout history, such sighting have increased in these Last Days. Thus are part of setting the stage for the Trib.

Even self-proclaimed "UFO researchers" will admit that the number of UFO "sightings" and "alien abductions" have increased drastically during the last half of the 20th Century.[/quote]
Agree.

[eahaddix]

I, and some others, believe that other planets were originally created as domain/sanctuaries of angel. That ended when Satan rebelled.

And why do angels need planetary "domains and sanctuaries"?

Well, in referring to the Pre-Adamic thread, it speaks of Satan and the Fallen Angels loosing their sanctuaries.

What is a sanctuary? A personal place.

Yes, Ezekiel 28:18 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2028:18;&version=31;) [Hebrew] (http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=Ezekiel+28%3A18&section=0&it=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na) and Jude 1:6 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jude%201:6;&version=31;) [Greek] (http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=Jude+1%3A6&section=0&it=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na) do state that the fallen Heylel (http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=01966)[1] and his angels[2] had their own habitations. However, none of these verses state that these Pre-Adamic habitations were perfect physical planets.

So, again, why do angels need "personal places" on different planets? Do they need an "escape" from YHWH God's presence?

It speaks of Satan treading the fiery gems.

Beautiful, perfect planets would be like gems in the light.

No, the context of Ezekiel 28:14 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2028:14;&version=31;) [Hebrew] (http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=Ezekiel+28%3A14&section=0&it=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na) is the fallen Heylel (http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=01966)'s[1] guardian role over YHWH God's throne, not his habitation among perfect physical planets. And the "fiery stones" could refer to the Seraphim (http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=08314) or "burning ones" who surrounded YHWH God's throne (ref. Isaiah 6:1-8 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%206:1-8%20;&version=31;) [Hebrew] (http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=Isaiah+6%3A1-8&section=0&it=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na)).

That is what I base it on.

The sanctuaries were somewhere. God created the planets, not in vain.

It is the most plausible answer I can think of to cover all the bases.

Well, as I indicated, the planets may have been created for an interplanetary lifestyle of the Pre-Adamics.

Prove it? No.

This is not my point. Even in putting aside the issue of proof, your idea simply does not seem very logical to me.

So, again, why do angels need "personal places" on different planets? Do they need an "escape" from YHWH God's presence?

But prove no aliens? I believe so because they would either have to be perfect beings or have a Savior of their own.

I don't see the Bible making room for another cross.

I do not see either option as an obstacle.

For the former item, Adam was given and lost dominion over the Earth[3][4], not the Universe as a whole. Hence, a microcosmic race of perfect extraterrestrial humanoid beings could be hidden away across the Milky Way Galaxy, the Local Group, the Local Supercluster, or the whole Universe. They would observe the decay of Creation due to Adam's sin (ref. Romans 8:20-21 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%208:20-21;&version=31;)), but they themselves could live without sinful decay.

For the latter item, Christ Jesus's substitutional role was a judicial one, not a transformative one[5]. Put plainly, he did not literally and wholly become those who he saved metamorphically, but rather he became "like" them under Mosaic Law (ref. Romans 8:3-4 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%208:3-4;&version=31;)[6], Galatians 4:4-5 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians%204:4-5;&version=31;)). As a result, one could hypothesize that his Earthly substitutional role could include a race of extraterrestrial humanoid aliens who were under a parallel form of Mosaic Law judicially, as opposed to the idea that he would have to re-sacrifice himself as an alien being.

I am more inclined to believe that the Pre-Adamic race may have been interplanetary travelers by an unknown means, with the angels openly mingling and associating with these beings as they lived their interstellar lives. In short, the Pre-Adamic Era could be comparable to the Era of the New Heavens and the New Earth.
It doesn't fit God's pattern for flesh life, to me.

But even then, it would not explain UFO's, today.

Well, quite simply, we do not know how the Pre-Adamics lived their lives. Moreover, after the redemption of our bodies[7], we will live quite a different physical life for eternity. So, really, you cannot use our current mode of physical life as an all-encompassing rule for Pre-Adamic, Adamic, and Post-Adamic "flesh life."

However, I do agree that this issue does not explain the immediate topic of UFOs.

As for created life, there are no verses indicating any such thing.

;) Hold on a second. Biblical Scripture does not say that viruses, bacteria, and protozoa cause physical sickness, so should we forsake worldly medicine which is based on this fact and only use prayer to cure physical sickness which is related to these organisms?

Bad logic.

The NT says to be annointed with oil and prayed over when ill.

Oil was the big medicine of the day.

Paul said some wine was good for a bad stomach. Again, medicine.

So, prayer and medicine are in the Bible.

You missed my point. The Biblical Scriptures do not teach Science (i.e. medical microbiology), yet you do not advocate the idea that we should abandon Science and all of its benefits. To the contrary, you simply recognize the fact that the Bible was not meant to be a Science textbook.

Likewise, I do not believe that Bible was meant to be Astronomy textbook, which would completely map or catalogue the Universe's contents. To the contrary, the Bible merely describes the purpose of the Sun, the Moon, and the stars as they relate to the Earth only (ref. Genesis 1:14-18 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%201:14-18;&version=31;)). And this fact does not mean that the said purpose is the sole purpose of the Adamic heavens.

And, really, why would YHWH 'Elohiym create an entire infinite Universe solely to "house" our small Earth? Is this idea not a good example of a vain Creation (ref. Isaiah 45:18 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2045:18%20;&version=31;))?

UFO's, indirectly, can be found in such as Revelation, where it says the AC, FP and Satan will do miraculous things in the sky.

This shows that the can be, and probably are, deceptive actions of demons.

I agree with this point. Hal Lindsey should do a special program on this issue. :nod:

He did, many years ago.

And I think he covered it in Satan is Alive and Well on Planet Earth.

:nod: It this is truly the case, then I guess that I will have to purchase the said book in the future.

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Footnotes:
[1] ref. Isaiah 14:12 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2014:12;&version=31;) [Hebrew] (http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=Isaiah+14%3A12&section=0&it=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na).
[2] ref. Revelation 12:7-9 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2012:7-9;&version=31;).
[3] After God created Adam, Adam received dominion over the Earth (Genesis 1:26-28 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%201:26-28;&version=31;), Genesis 2:15, 19-20 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%202:15,%2019-20;&version=31;)). However, in willfully disobeying God (Genesis 3:6-7, 17 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%203:6-7,%2017;&version=31;), 1 Timothy 2:14 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Timothy%202:14;&version=31;)), Adam gave his authority over the earth to Satan (ref. John 14:30 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2014:30;&version=31;), 1 John 5:19 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20John%205:19;&version=31;), Matthew 4:8-9 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%204:8-9;&version=31;))[4]. However, before Christ Jesus's crucifixion, Christ Jesus stated that Satan would lose his authority over the Earth (John 12:31 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2012:31;&version=31;), ref. John 16:11 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2016:11;&version=31;)), for God will place Christ Jesus above all things (Ephesians 1:20-22 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians%201:20-22;&version=31;), 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%2015:24-28;&version=31;), Hebrews 2:5-8 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews%202:5-8;&version=31;), Psalm 8:1, 4-9 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm%208:1,%204-9;&version=31;)).
[4] One observes that God gave parallel commands to Adam (Genesis 1:28 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%201:28;&version=31;)) and Noah (Genesis 9:1-2 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%209:1-2;&version=31;)), yet God did not indicate that Noah would rule the Earth (Genesis 9:1-2 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%209:1-2;&version=31;)).
[5] If Christ Jesus had to pay his own first-person sin debt in eternal punishment personally or substitutionally, then he could not be raised from the dead for our justification (Romans 4:25 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%204:25;&version=31;)). As a result, 2 Corinthians 5:21 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Corinthians%205:21;&version=31) must represent a literal judicial substitution, not a literal transformative substitution with a literal stain of sin.

So, in application, the only way Christ Jesus avoided being locked in the Geenna (http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=1067) portion of Hell (ref. Mark 9:47-49 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark%209:47-49;&version=31;) [Greek] (http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=Mark+9%3A47-49&section=0&it=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na)) was by mixing his complete personal innocence with humanity's sinful guilt judicially (ref. Isaiah 53:9-11 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2053:9-11;&version=31;), Acts 2:24 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%202:24%20;&version=31;), 1 Peter 3:18-20 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Peter%203:18-20%20;&version=31;)), thereby entering "Abraham's bosom" or the paradise (http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3857) portion of Hell (ref. Luke 16:19-31 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2016:19-31;&version=31;), cross ref. Luke 23:43 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2023:43;&version=31;) [Greek] (http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=Luke+23%3A43&section=0&it=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na)). Consequently, this is why Biblical Scripture states that one must be baptized into Christ Jesus by judicial grace, as opposed to the notion that Christ Jesus's unlimited atonement automatically saves the entire world.
[6] As Romans 8:3 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%208:3;&version=31;) ([Greek] (http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=Romans+8%3A3&section=0&it=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na)) states, God the Son came in "the likeness (http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3667) of sinful (http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=266) man (http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=4561)." The word "likeness (http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3667)" refers to a resemblance which is just short of equality. Christ Jesus was "like" sinners by having the desires of a sinful nature, but not "like" sinners by not actually committing sin (Hebrews 4:15 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews%204:15;&version=31;)).
[7] Romans 8:23 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%208:23;&version=31;), cross ref. Matthew 22:30 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2022:30;&version=31;), 1 Corinthians 15:35-44 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%2015:35-44;&version=31;), etc., i.e. John 20:19, 26 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2020:19,%2026;&version=31;).

[CoreIssue]

I, and some others, believe that other planets were originally created as domain/sanctuaries of angel. That ended when Satan rebelled.

And why do angels need planetary "domains and sanctuaries"?

Well, in referring to the Pre-Adamic thread, it speaks of Satan and the Fallen Angels loosing their sanctuaries.

What is a sanctuary? A personal place.

Yes, Ezekiel 28:18 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2028:18;&version=31;) [Hebrew] (http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=Ezekiel+28%3A18&section=0&it=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na) and Jude 1:6 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jude%201:6;&version=31;) [Greek] (http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=Jude+1%3A6&section=0&it=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na) do state that the fallen Heylel (http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=01966)[1] and his angels[2] had their own habitations. However, none of these verses state that these Pre-Adamic habitations were perfect physical planets.

Does not say they were not, either.
So, again, why do angels need "personal places" on different planets? Do they need an "escape" from YHWH God's presence?
Ask God. He didn't tell us.

Like asking why do we need personal mansions in eternity.

It speaks of Satan treading the fiery gems.

Beautiful, perfect planets would be like gems in the light.

No, the context of Ezekiel 28:14 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2028:14;&version=31;) [Hebrew] (http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=Ezekiel+28%3A14&section=0&it=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na) is the fallen Heylel (http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=01966)'s[1] guardian role over YHWH God's throne, not his habitation among perfect physical planets. And the "fiery stones" could refer to the Seraphim (http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=08314) or "burning ones" who surrounded YHWH God's throne (ref. Isaiah 6:1-8 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%206:1-8%20;&version=31;) [Hebrew] (http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=Isaiah+6%3A1-8&section=0&it=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na)).

Obviously, if Satan had a sanctuary of his own, he did not hover over the Throne all the time.

He also was away from the Throne to persuade others to rebell.

And it said you tread up the stones. I don't think that mean he walked on Seraphim.

That is what I base it on.

The sanctuaries were somewhere. God created the planets, not in vain.

It is the most plausible answer I can think of to cover all the bases.

Well, as I indicated, the planets may have been created for an interplanetary lifestyle of the Pre-Adamics.

I do not even see a scrap of evidence to theorize in that direction.

Prove it? No.

This is not my point. Even in putting aside the issue of proof, your idea simply does not seem very logical to me.

But it is logical to me and some others.
So, again, why do angels need "personal places" on different planets? Do they need an "escape" from YHWH God's presence?
Why do we need personal mansions in Eternity to escape God's presence?

Because there is more to existence than singing praises for eternity?

But prove no aliens? I believe so because they would either have to be perfect beings or have a Savior of their own.

I don't see the Bible making room for another cross.

I do not see either option as an obstacle.

I do.
For the former item, Adam was given and lost dominion over the Earth[3][4], not the Universe as a whole.
Agree.

Hence, a microcosmic race of perfect extraterrestrial humanoid beings could be hidden away across the Milky Way Galaxy, the Local Group, the Local Supercluster, or the whole Universe. They would observe the decay of Creation due to Adam's sin (ref. Romans 8:20-21 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%208:20-21;&version=31;)), but they themselves could live without sinful decay.

Well, the 4 Living are in Heaven. I would assume that means the rest that did not rebell are there as well.

For the latter item, Christ Jesus's substitutional role was a judicial one, not a transformative one[5]. Put plainly, he did not literally and wholly become those who he saved metamorphically, but rather he became "like" them under Mosaic Law (ref. Romans 8:3-4 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%208:3-4;&version=31;)[6], Galatians 4:4-5 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians%204:4-5;&version=31;)). As a result, one could hypothesize that his Earthly substitutional role could include a race of extraterrestrial humanoid aliens who were under a parallel form of Mosaic Law judicially, as opposed to the idea that he would have to re-sacrifice himself as an alien being.

Absolutely not!

The Bible states quite clearly it took a man, the Second Adam, to die and pay the price created by the First Adam.

No way a human death could pay for the sins of another race.

I am more inclined to believe that the Pre-Adamic race may have been interplanetary travelers by an unknown means, with the angels openly mingling and associating with these beings as they lived their interstellar lives. In short, the Pre-Adamic Era could be comparable to the Era of the New Heavens and the New Earth.
It doesn't fit God's pattern for flesh life, to me.

But even then, it would not explain UFO's, today.

Well, quite simply, we do not know how the Pre-Adamics lived their lives. Moreover, after the redemption of our bodies[7], we will live quite a different physical life for eternity. So, really, you cannot use our current mode of physical life as an all-encompassing rule for Pre-Adamic, Adamic, and Post-Adamic "flesh life."

You forget, as perfect eternal beings the Pre-Adamics that did not rebell will never loose the flesh and blood.

Look at the 4. Flesh AND blood.
However, I do agree that this issue does not explain the immediate topic of UFOs.

For sure.
[quote=CoreIssue;20866]As for created life, there are no verses indicating any such thing.

;) Hold on a second. Biblical Scripture does not say that viruses, bacteria, and protozoa cause physical sickness, so should we forsake worldly medicine which is based on this fact and only use prayer to cure physical sickness which is related to these organisms?

Bad logic.

The NT says to be annointed with oil and prayed over when ill.

Oil was the big medicine of the day.

Paul said some wine was good for a bad stomach. Again, medicine.

So, prayer and medicine are in the Bible.

You missed my point. The Biblical Scriptures do not teach Science (i.e. medical microbiology), yet you do not advocate the idea that we should abandon Science and all of its benefits. To the contrary, you simply recognize the fact that the Bible was not meant to be a Science textbook.

Agree. So theorizing into realms where we possess no data requires at least a foundation, even if very skimpy, to build upon.

I see that in the issues of stated dominions, sanctuaries, fiery stones as such. They are stated for angel, in the past.

While far from being proof, it is at least a foundation.

Nothing of the sort exists for Pre-Adamics.

Likewise, I do not believe that Bible was meant to be Astronomy textbook, which would completely map or catalogue the Universe's contents. To the contrary, the Bible merely describes the purpose of the Sun, the Moon, and the stars as they relate to the Earth only (ref. Genesis 1:14-18 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%201:14-18;&version=31;)). And this fact does not mean that the said purpose is the sole purpose of the Adamic heavens.

I agree.

And, really, why would YHWH 'Elohiym create an entire infinite Universe solely to "house" our small Earth? Is this idea not a good example of a vain Creation (ref. Isaiah 45:18 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2045:18%20;&version=31;))?

Not when one considers that there was no darkness in the beginning. So each planet was equal in the Universe, light, heat and other such wise.

Being between Heaven and Earth, I have no problem seeing it as where God gave the angels their sanctuaries.

Could be wrong, but I feel I am not.

UFO's, indirectly, can be found in such as Revelation, where it says the AC, FP and Satan will do miraculous things in the sky.

This shows that the can be, and probably are, deceptive actions of demons.

I agree with this point. Hal Lindsey should do a special program on this issue. :nod:

He did, many years ago.

And I think he covered it in Satan is Alive and Well on Planet Earth.

:nod: It this is truly the case, then I guess that I will have to purchase the said book in the future.

Been a couple of decades since I saw Hal on this book and issue. So hard to remember all the details.

[kay-gee]

Prophesy buffs whom I have known in the past, have said that the first chapter of Ezekiel is all about UFO's. Could you please address that. Thanks ......all the best.........

[eahaddix]

Core, as you have already indicated, we are arguing over subjective and speculative premises, as opposed to actually setting down any "brass tacks." However, we accomplished the real goal, which was to create an invigorating debate over this subject. :nod:

Now, let me respond to a few points, then I will leave the discussion at this point.

No, the context of Ezekiel 28:14 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2028:14;&version=31;) [Hebrew] (http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=Ezekiel+28%3A14&section=0&it=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na) is the fallen Heylel (http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=01966)'s[1] guardian role over YHWH God's throne, not his habitation among perfect physical planets. And the "fiery stones" could refer to the Seraphim (http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=08314) or "burning ones" who surrounded YHWH God's throne (ref. Isaiah 6:1-8 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%206:1-8%20;&version=31;) [Hebrew] (http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=Isaiah+6%3A1-8&section=0&it=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na)).
Obviously, if Satan had a sanctuary of his own, he did not hover over the Throne all the time.

He also was away from the Throne to persuade others to rebell.

And it said you tread up the stones. I don't think that mean he walked on Seraphim.

No. You are rewording Ezekiel 28:14 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2028:14;&version=31;). Ezekiel 28:14 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2028:14;&version=31;) [Hebrew] (http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=Ezekiel+28%3A14&section=0&it=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na) says that the fallen Heylel (http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=01966) walked "up and down
(http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/extras.cgi?number=8694)" "among (http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=08432)" the fiery stones, not "on" the fiery stones. In short, the Hebrew text indicates that he walked among the "fiery stones," as if he mingled among other objects.

So, quite obviously, if the "fiery stones" were not Seraphim (http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=08314) or "burning ones," then he would have walked on them, not among them.

Hence, a microcosmic race of perfect extraterrestrial humanoid beings could be hidden away across the Milky Way Galaxy, the Local Group, the Local Supercluster, or the whole Universe. They would observe the decay of Creation due to Adam's sin (ref. Romans 8:20-21 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%208:20-21;&version=31;)), but they themselves could live without sinful decay.
Well, the 4 Living are in Heaven. I would assume that means the rest that did not rebell are there as well.

This is non-sequitur reasoning. As John 17:6 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2017:6;&version=31;) indicates, we are worthy of being removed from this world as well, but we are still here. So, perfect extraterrestrial begins which may be located somewhere else in the Universe could still live in the physical Universe for an unknown reason.


For the latter item, Christ Jesus's substitutional role was a judicial one, not a transformative one[5]. Put plainly, he did not literally and wholly become those who he saved metamorphically, but rather he became "like" them under Mosaic Law (ref. Romans 8:3-4 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%208:3-4;&version=31;)[6], Galatians 4:4-5 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians%204:4-5;&version=31;)). As a result, one could hypothesize that his Earthly substitutional role could include a race of extraterrestrial humanoid aliens who were under a parallel form of Mosaic Law judicially, as opposed to the idea that he would have to re-sacrifice himself as an alien being.

Absolutely not!

The Bible states quite clearly it took a man, the Second Adam, to die and pay the price created by the First Adam.

No way a human death could pay for the sins of another race.

No. As I explained in my last post[#9] (http://www.christiantalkzone.net/forum/showpost.php?p=20888&postcount=9), Christ Jesus did not literally and wholly become the first Adam or any other guilty sinner, then metapmorphasize into the second Adam. To the contrary, he became the second Adam through God the Father's numerous judicial decisions.

As for created life, there are no verses indicating any such thing.

;) Hold on a second. Biblical Scripture does not say that viruses, bacteria, and protozoa cause physical sickness, so should we forsake worldly medicine which is based on this fact and only use prayer to cure physical sickness which is related to these organisms?

Bad logic.

The NT says to be annointed with oil and prayed over when ill.

Oil was the big medicine of the day.

Paul said some wine was good for a bad stomach. Again, medicine.

So, prayer and medicine are in the Bible.

You missed my point. The Biblical Scriptures do not teach Science (i.e. medical microbiology), yet you do not advocate the idea that we should abandon Science and all of its benefits. To the contrary, you simply recognize the fact that the Bible was not meant to be a Science textbook.

Agree. So theorizing into realms where we possess no data requires at least a foundation, even if very skimpy, to build upon.

I see that in the issues of stated dominions, sanctuaries, fiery stones as such. They are stated for angel, in the past.

While far from being proof, it is at least a foundation.

Nothing of the sort exists for Pre-Adamics.

No. As I indicated in my last post[Post #9] (http://www.christiantalkzone.net/forum/showpost.php?p=20888&postcount=9), nowhere does Ezekiel 28:18 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2028:18;&version=31;) or Jude 1:6 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jude%201:6;&version=31;) identify the physical planets as the former habitations of the angels. And, as I have indicated in my last post[Post #9] (http://www.christiantalkzone.net/forum/showpost.php?p=20888&postcount=9) and this post, Ezekiel 28:14 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2028:14;&version=31;)'s context is not the physical Universe. And, finally, apart from "on duty" activities, the exact purpose or nature of any angelic lifestyle and habitation is simply unknown. So your "foundation of plausibility" is no real foundation at all.

So, even in invoking Isaiah 45:18 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2045:18;&version=31;), we agree that we cannot substantiate either of our viewpoints without appealing to non-sequitur reasoning.

So, again, why do angels need "personal places" on different planets? Do they need an "escape" from YHWH God's presence?
Why do we need personal mansions in Eternity to escape God's presence?

Because there is more to existence than singing praises for eternity?

We will always have God the Spirit indwelling us (John 14:16-17 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2014:16-17;&version=31;), Hebrews 13:5 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews%2013:5;&version=31;)) and surrounding us with his presence (ref. 2 Corinthians 2:14-16 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Corinthians%202:14-16%20;&version=31;)). So, technically, we cannot "escape" God's presence.

Do you think the angels should pity us? Or do you think that the angels also seek to have a "live" personal connection of some sort to YHWH God?


And, really, why would YHWH 'Elohiym create an entire infinite Universe solely to "house" our small Earth? Is this idea not a good example of a vain Creation (ref. Isaiah 45:18 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2045:18%20;&version=31;))?

Not when one considers that there was no darkness in the beginning. So each planet was equal in the Universe, light, heat and other such wise.

Being between Heaven and Earth, I have no problem seeing it as where God gave the angels their sanctuaries.

Could be wrong, but I feel I am not.

Right. I agree. And I believe that the premise of Isaiah 45:18 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2045:18;&version=31;) [Hebrew] (http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=Isaiah+45%3A18&section=0&it=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na) can be applied to the original Creation of Genesis 1:1 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%201:1;&version=31;) and the Recreation of Genesis 1:2-31 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%201:2-31;&version=31;) reasonably and equally. And, from my perspective, a Universe of dead and inhabitable planets comes across as a great deal of "vainity (http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=08414)."

[eahaddix]

Prophesy buffs whom I have known in the past, have said that the first chapter of Ezekiel is all about UFO's. Could you please address that. Thanks ......all the best.........

Ezekiel 1 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%201;&version=31;) shows an appearance of YHWH God's throne and the living creatures which surround it (Ezekiel 1:25-28 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%201:25-28;&version=31;)).

:scratch: How did these "prophecy buffs" come to their conclusion? Perhaps you can find one of these "prophecy buffs" and invite them to defend their Scriptural interpretation on these forums.

[CoreIssue]

Prophesy buffs whom I have known in the past, have said that the first chapter of Ezekiel is all about UFO's. Could you please address that. Thanks ......all the best.........

Ezekiel 1 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%201;&version=31;) shows an appearance of YHWH God's throne and the living creatures which surround it (Ezekiel 1:25-28 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%201:25-28;&version=31;)).

:scratch: How did these "prophecy buffs" come to their conclusion? Perhaps you can find one of these "prophecy buffs" and invite them to defend their Scriptural interpretation on these forums.
They aren't prophecy buffs, in a Christian sense.

They are usually secularists or UFO type cultists trying to explain away the Bible by saying it is attempts to explain the unknown.

The UFO types jump at anything they believe supports their case.

[CoreIssue]

Core, as you have already indicated, we are arguing over subjective and speculative premises, as opposed to actually setting down any "brass tacks." However, we accomplished the real goal, which was to create an invigorating debate over this subject. :nod:

Now, let me respond to a few points, then I will leave the discussion at this point.


If nothing else, it stimulates people to maybe think out of the box a little bit.
No, the context of Ezekiel 28:14 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2028:14;&version=31;) [Hebrew] (http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=Ezekiel+28%3A14&section=0&it=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na) is the fallen Heylel (http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=01966)'s[1] guardian role over YHWH God's throne, not his habitation among perfect physical planets. And the "fiery stones" could refer to the Seraphim (http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=08314) or "burning ones" who surrounded YHWH God's throne (ref. Isaiah 6:1-8 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%206:1-8%20;&version=31;) [Hebrew] (http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=Isaiah+6%3A1-8&section=0&it=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na)).
Obviously, if Satan had a sanctuary of his own, he did not hover over the Throne all the time.

He also was away from the Throne to persuade others to rebell.

And it said you tread up the stones. I don't think that mean he walked on Seraphim.

No. You are rewording Ezekiel 28:14 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2028:14;&version=31;). Ezekiel 28:14 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2028:14;&version=31;) [Hebrew] (http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=Ezekiel+28%3A14&section=0&it=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na) says that the fallen Heylel (http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=01966) walked "up and down
(http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/extras.cgi?number=8694)" "among (http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=08432)" the fiery stones, not "on" the fiery stones. In short, the Hebrew text indicates that he walked among the "fiery stones," as if he mingled among other objects.

True. I stand corrected.

But it can also means walked among as in journeying to and from and between.

So, quite obviously, if the "fiery stones" were not Seraphim (http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=08314) or "burning ones," then he would have walked on them, not among them.

Not really.

We talk about things being among the stars, as in journey, objects, ships and so on.

Hence, a microcosmic race of perfect extraterrestrial humanoid beings could be hidden away across the Milky Way Galaxy, the Local Group, the Local Supercluster, or the whole Universe. They would observe the decay of Creation due to Adam's sin (ref. Romans 8:20-21 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%208:20-21;&version=31;)), but they themselves could live without sinful decay.
Well, the 4 Living are in Heaven. I would assume that means the rest that did not rebell are there as well.

This is non-sequitur reasoning. As John 17:6 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2017:6;&version=31;) indicates, we are worthy of being removed from this world as well, but we are still here. So, perfect extraterrestrial begins which may be located somewhere else in the Universe could still live in the physical Universe for an unknown reason.

Bad logic.

When we finish our time of this earth, we go to Heaven, not another place or planet.

The 4 are in Heaven, so it is not illogical their people are there as well.

Now, I believe the story was different in Genesis 1:1 and will be different in Eternity. But for now, the only perfect place to find perfect beings is Heaven, in every Biblical example given.

Not conlclusive, but reasonable to go with what is given, not what might be.


For the latter item, Christ Jesus's substitutional role was a judicial one, not a transformative one[5]. Put plainly, he did not literally and wholly become those who he saved metamorphically, but rather he became "like" them under Mosaic Law (ref. Romans 8:3-4 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%208:3-4;&version=31;)[6], Galatians 4:4-5 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians%204:4-5;&version=31;)). As a result, one could hypothesize that his Earthly substitutional role could include a race of extraterrestrial humanoid aliens who were under a parallel form of Mosaic Law judicially, as opposed to the idea that he would have to re-sacrifice himself as an alien being.

Absolutely not!

The Bible states quite clearly it took a man, the Second Adam, to die and pay the price created by the First Adam.

No way a human death could pay for the sins of another race.

No. As I explained in my last post[#9] (http://www.christiantalkzone.net/forum/showpost.php?p=20888&postcount=9), Christ Jesus did not literally and wholly become the first Adam or any other guilty sinner, then metapmorphasize into the second Adam. To the contrary, he became the second Adam through God the Father's numerous judicial decisions.

When did I ever say he became the First Adam? I didn't.

The First Adam began sinless. The Second Adam began sinless. The First failed and became sinful. The Second succeeded and became glorfied.

He did not become the Second Adam by judicial declaration. He became the Second Adam by taking on the genetics of the First.

We are, biological speaking, the flesh of the Adam via genetics.

Man had to pay for the sins of Man. He had to live the perfect life before he could suffer an unjust death and substitue it for our just one.

What judicial substitution could there possible be for an alien, if not alien blood?


]As for created life, there are no verses indicating any such thing.

;) Hold on a second. Biblical Scripture does not say that viruses, bacteria, and protozoa cause physical sickness, so should we forsake worldly medicine which is based on this fact and only use prayer to cure physical sickness which is related to these organisms?

Bad logic.

The NT says to be annointed with oil and prayed over when ill.

Oil was the big medicine of the day.

Paul said some wine was good for a bad stomach. Again, medicine.

So, prayer and medicine are in the Bible.

You missed my point. The Biblical Scriptures do not teach Science (i.e. medical microbiology), yet you do not advocate the idea that we should abandon Science and all of its benefits. To the contrary, you simply recognize the fact that the Bible was not meant to be a Science textbook.

Agree. So theorizing into realms where we possess no data requires at least a foundation, even if very skimpy, to build upon.

I see that in the issues of stated dominions, sanctuaries, fiery stones as such. They are stated for angel, in the past.

While far from being proof, it is at least a foundation.

Nothing of the sort exists for Pre-Adamics.

No. As I indicated in my last post[Post #9] (http://www.christiantalkzone.net/forum/showpost.php?p=20888&postcount=9), nowhere does Ezekiel 28:18 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2028:18;&version=31;) or Jude 1:6 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jude%201:6;&version=31;) identify the physical planets as the former habitations of the angels. And, as I have indicated in my last post[Post #9] (http://www.christiantalkzone.net/forum/showpost.php?p=20888&postcount=9) and this post, Ezekiel 28:14 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2028:14;&version=31;)'s context is not the physical Universe. And, finally, apart from "on duty" activities, the exact purpose or nature of any angelic lifestyle and habitation is simply unknown. So your "foundation of plausibility" is no real foundation at all.
My response remains the same.
So, even in invoking Isaiah 45:18 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2045:18;&version=31;), we agree that we cannot substantiate either of our viewpoints without appealing to non-sequitur reasoning.
Agree.

But my reasoning is not non-sequitur. And parallel example of comparable issues is accepted as an argument from logic and is acceptable in formal debate.

So, again, why do angels need "personal places" on different planets? Do they need an "escape" from YHWH God's presence?
Why do we need personal mansions in Eternity to escape God's presence?

Because there is more to existence than singing praises for eternity?

We will always have God the Spirit indwelling us (John 14:16-17 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2014:16-17;&version=31;), Hebrews 13:5 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews%2013:5;&version=31;)) and surrounding us with his presence (ref. 2 Corinthians 2:14-16 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Corinthians%202:14-16%20;&version=31;)). So, technically, we cannot "escape" God's presence.

Agree. Which takes out part of your statement and question.

Do you think the angels should pity us? Or do you think that the angels also seek to have a "live" personal connection of some sort to YHWH God?

Pity? No.

Live personal connection? Good question and one I cannot answer. Except to say I don't think their relationship lacks, just is different.


And, really, why would YHWH 'Elohiym create an entire infinite Universe solely to "house" our small Earth? Is this idea not a good example of a vain Creation (ref. Isaiah 45:18 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2045:18%20;&version=31;))?

Not when one considers that there was no darkness in the beginning. So each planet was equal in the Universe, light, heat and other such wise.

Being between Heaven and Earth, I have no problem seeing it as where God gave the angels their sanctuaries.

Could be wrong, but I feel I am not.

Right. I agree. And I believe that the premise of Isaiah 45:18 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2045:18;&version=31;) [Hebrew] (http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=Isaiah+45%3A18&section=0&it=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na) can be applied to the original Creation of Genesis 1:1 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%201:1;&version=31;) and the Recreation of Genesis 1:2-31 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%201:2-31;&version=31;) reasonably and equally. And, from my perspective, a Universe of dead and inhabitable planets comes across as a great deal of "vainity (http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=08414)."

Agree.

[kay-gee]

If then, all scripture is to be taken literally, what is Ezekiel 1 referring to?...all the best

[CoreIssue]

If then, all scripture is to be taken literally, what is Ezekiel 1 referring to?...all the best
I think I will let eahaddix handle it.

[CoreIssue]

[quote=Jessie;20872]would there have been trees, grass and such on the planets or barren like they are now?


Science can only observe very close planets in our solar system. Our Galaxy which would take many life times to cross if you could travel at the speed of light contains billions of stars, planets. There are billions of galaxy`s in the universe and that`s just a guess.
Our planet is like a grain of sand out of all the beaches on earth compared too all the planets in our galaxy alone.

Agree.

So that means there is something more to it than just creating them.
Is there life out there somewhere, only God knows.
Most assuredly.

My opinion about UFO`s is it`s all deception from Satan, not that you couldn't`t walk up and touch one then have it vanish.

That fact has sucked a lot of people into some weird thinking.
The UFO thing that led to the space program and the idea of life out there has done great harm to the creation theory IMO, of course that`s just what Satan wants.
I think it is a tool evolutionists use to attract people.

After all, if it is true then there should be life out there. A lot of it.

[Jessie]

makes one wonder what the universe looked like and was like before the fall....

[CoreIssue]

makes one wonder what the universe looked like and was like before the fall....
Perfect, no stars, no sun, no moon, no darkness and obviously no night.

The earth had no oceans and such. We are told the earth mantle shattered and let a flood of water out.

It did not rain, but the ground was kept watered from the bottom up.

Without oceans, storms would not be generated.

Very different.

[kay-gee]

It must have been kinda boring. No birds, no bees, no lovely plants, no gentle breeze.
all the best....

[CoreIssue]

It must have been kinda boring. No birds, no bees, no lovely plants, no gentle breeze.
all the best....
No body said there wasn't life on it. There was.

[kay-gee]

Not in the absence of those things you listed....Could be no life.......all the best..

[Jessie]

makes one wonder what the universe looked like and was like before the fall....
Perfect, no stars, no sun, no moon, no darkness and obviously no night.

The earth had no oceans and such. We are told the earth mantle shattered and let a flood of water out.

It did not rain, but the ground was kept watered from the bottom up.

Without oceans, storms would not be generated.

Very different.

:nod:

I was thinking more of the other planets and stars though,
or is earth the one place unlike any other ever was?

[CoreIssue]

Not in the absence of those things you listed....Could be no life.......all the best..
Exactly how did you get that from my list?

Watered from underground up, 24 hours a day light, good climate, no bad storms.

What in that formula says no life?

[CoreIssue]

I was thinking more of the other planets and stars though,
or is earth the one place unlike any other ever was?

There were no stars in Genesis 1:1. Everything was just light. No darkness.

We have no idea about plant life and such on them. Not given any information, except the earth was uniquely created for flesh life.

But, at the same time, a grand palace will not grow plants from its floors and wall. But is it barren and boring? Hardly.

[kay-gee]

Most living things require light and dark, including plants. Also no movement of air means gentle breezes etc... all the best.....

[CoreIssue]

Most living things require light and dark, including plants. Also no movement of air means gentle breezes etc... all the best.....
You are judging by now.

There are trees in the NJ and there is no darkness.

We require sleep. Glorified bodies do not.

We require food. spirits do not.

You are comparing apples to oranges. Unless you are saying the New Earth is going to be barren.

[CoreIssue]

I, and some others, believe that other planets were originally created as domain/sanctuaries of angel. That ended when Satan rebelled.

Interesting...

Could you please elaborate on this more, bible verses for reference would be much appreciated.
Might not be what you expect, but HERE (http://www.christiantalkzone.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1919&highlight=pre-adamic) should help in understanding.

[kay-gee]

Confused as usual. Thoght you were talking about the time before Adam.....all the best...

[CoreIssue]

Confused as usual. Thoght you were talking about the time before Adam.....all the best...
Both.

[JCbeliever17]

Ok, first off I will tell you right away that i am not able to quote very many things from the Bible. But I do know enough to answer certain questions.

Aliens...
Lucifer (Satan) knows what is going to happen with the Rapture and during the Tribulation Period. So, he is doing everything he can to stop people from believeing in God. Aliens are a way for him to distract people from understanding God, and his love. After the Rapture many people will search for answers to why thousands, millions have suddenly disappeared.
"Aliens" will be something that many people will believe is the cause of this. But there will be the ones who know right away what has happened, and will believe right then. So, i must add this is, tell everyone about your faith. Even if they don't listen to you right away. The Holy Sprit will use eveything you do, and say, and he will work through you.
Don't be distracted by the Devils work, thats what he wants you to do!

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As good an explanation as any!........all the best....