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[lorne]

Hi,
I'm a christian who has been going through some very tough spiritual times. I keep asking myself why God, being omniscient, would go ahead and create the world has described in the Bible knowing that some people would accept Jesus and others would not. The result of which means that some people will go to heaven and others must burn in hell for ever. So, excluding freewill which don't apply to my question; why would God, who is all loving, go ahead and create a world where God knew before creation that some people would burn in hell for ever and ever as stated in the Bible?
Lorne R. :scratch:

[Sid]

How can you exclude freewill?

. . . it is central to responding to your question.

[lorne]

Shalom Sid,
I exclude freewill because God decided to go ahead and create the world BEFORE he gave man an ability to use freewill. That fact that we have freewill doesn't negate the fact that God knew before hand that some would accept his plan of salvation and some would not, but went ahead and made the world, man and his ability to sin, KNOWING some would burn forever as stated in the Bible. I just struggle with the fact that; God knew in advance what would happen before he created. Knowing God is God, my reason tells me that God doesn't make mistakes. I can see man in is inability to know the future making something only to learn later that something went wrong, but not with God. I also have a similar issue that I struggle with about why God would create an angel that would someday turn against God, of course I'm talking about satan who was once an angel. Again, God must of known, being omniscient, that satan would eventually turn out the way he did, causing eve and adam to sin. Why go ahead and create such an angel and humans knowing before hand that he would have to burn them in hell forever?

Lorne

[Sid]

If God created man without freewill it would have been a totally useless experiment.

God created for good, angels and man chose to screw things up.

. . . don't blame God.

[CoreIssue]

Shalom Sid,
I exclude freewill because God decided to go ahead and create the world BEFORE he gave man an ability to use freewill.
That is not really accurate in implications.

God gave Adam freewill when he created him. It was not something he added later.

Yes, God created the angels before he created the earth. And created them with freewill.

He created a perfect world in Genesis 1:1, which took part in the rebellion of Satan, due to its freewill, resulting in the events of Genesis 1:2.

Then he did the 6 Days of the Adamic Creation.

In every creation he gave the beings that have spirits, or are spirits, freewill.

We are created in the image of God, which includes his freewill.

Freewill must exist for love to exist. But for freewill to exist there will be those who reject God.

So, in which way was God more just? In allowing those who would reject him to exist and go into the Lake for Eternity, so those who accept him can share with him for eternity? Or, to not create any beings to keep any from going into the Lake, but thus denying those who would love him the right to exist with him for eternity?

I believe the answer is clear. Denying those who would love him that right is unjust. But it is not unjust to punish those who chose wrongly.

As is, each group got what they reached for. The other way one group would have been forever denied the right to choose.
That fact that we have freewill doesn't negate the fact that God knew before hand that some would accept his plan of salvation and some would not, but went ahead and made the world, man and his ability to sin, KNOWING some would burn forever as stated in the Bible.
True. But consider what I said above.
I just struggle with the fact that; God knew in advance what would happen before he created. Knowing God is God, my reason tells me that God doesn't make mistakes.
Agree fully. And he didn 't make a mistake.
I can see man in is inability to know the future making something only to learn later that something went wrong, but not with God.
Not quite accurate.

God placed in every human, via Adam, the knowledge of Good and Evil, which INCLUDES the knowledge he is there and needs to be sought.

Those who choose to disregard that inate knowledge are deliberately refusing to seek him.
I also have a similar issue that I struggle with about why God would create an angel that would someday turn against God, of course I'm talking about satan who was once an angel. Again, God must of known, being omniscient, that satan would eventually turn out the way he did, causing eve and adam to sin. Why go ahead and create such an angel and humans knowing before hand that he would have to burn them in hell forever?

Lorne
Again, not quite correct.

Satan didn't 'cause' Adam to fall. What allowed Adam to fall was something he developed within himself.

Satan gave the incentive and motive to act on that something within him.

Again, my opening remarks for the rest.

I am going to move this to Christian discussion.