Christians Living in a World Circling the Drain. . . .

[Sid]

Recently I lit a yahrzeit candle to commemorate the anniversary of my mother's death. This is the only Jewish observance I keep. The candle burned for about 36 hours and then the little jar sat dark and empty.

It seemed to symbolize her life, indeed life itself. The flame burns for a set time and then only a lifeless body remains. I think of what my mother's spirit meant to me. I can't express the love she gave to her family and me without crying.

The candle is a good metaphor. I am swamped with negativity and filth daily, it's hard to keep that candle burning. It's hard to express love for my fellow man, let alone my immediate family.

I feel so helpless in the face of the satanic conspiracy that I forget that I still have great power over my personal life. It seems I neglect to exercise this power, using the sorry state of the world as distraction and excuse.

The battle with the forces of evil is not just taking place "out there." It's taking place in my home. Satan isn't content with owning and controlling the planet; he wants my soul too. And he's getting it. I am too embarrassed to confess all the ways I succumb to his enticements.

Increasingly I realize the world is deliberately organized by his disciples to capture souls



Trying to Shine the Light (http://www.savethemales.ca/000433.html)

[kay-gee]

I feel your pain Bro, I feel it. I think about it a lot too. But Sid, I gotta tell you, that Christian joy does exist, It's real. You gotta seize it. Don't let all the negativity of this world take you down. You do great work for us on the forum bringing us the scoops. But don't let the evil and un-certainty get to you. It is indeed embarrasing to tell of all the ways our advesary lures us in. I struggle daily with it. I'm sure all true Christians do. I lost my dad one year ago this month. I don't expect my mom to last long. Her spirit I think has been broken. It ties me up in knots sometimes. Hang in there Sid, We're in this togrther!...all the best.......

[Sid]

I think about it a lot too. But Sid, I gotta tell you, that Christian joy does exist, It's real. You gotta seize it.


kay-gee:


Whenever I look at a world screwed up beyond recognition, and realize that I am just along for the ride. . .

. . . even when the score is 54-0, I remember that our side hasn't been at bat yet.

With that thought in mind, I just keep going on.

[kay-gee]

We are what ever we obsess about. If we may obsess with sex or with violent video games for example we will become that. If we become mentally, spiitually, and physically posessed by gloom and doom futurism. We will become gloomy and doomy. We're speculating on things that have not happened yet, and donning the mood and mindset as if they have. It will only depress you, and give you feelings of darkness and helplessness. If instead, we obsess ourselves with Christ we will eventually be like him. (That His joy may be in us and our joy be made full) John15:11 This is no Liberal pop psycology clap trap I'm saying here. This is straight from the Bible, don't care what anyone says!...all the best...

[CoreIssue]

I obsess about Christ.

My spirit and heart are full of joy.

My eyes and mind are not blinded by it, but see the reality of the world around us.

To help others find Christ, one must face the reality of the condition of the world while wanting to share the joy of Christ to those lost in the dark of the world.

I totally disagree that seeing the world for the lost place of darkness it is keeps one from feeling joy.

We are not the world hates us, that in the last days Christians will be exhausted and ready to leave. But at the same time we are told to REJOICE! in the hate of the world, since that means they are hating us because or the real source of their hate, Christ. And thus we are his!

I see no contradiction in having a joyful heart while not liking the world. I see it as Biblical.

Oh, yea. It says those the world loves are of the world, not of Christ.

[Jessie]

I obsess about Christ.

My spirit and heart are full of joy.

My eyes and mind are not blinded by it, but see the reality of the world around us.

To help others find Christ, one must face the reality of the condition of the world while wanting to share the joy of Christ to those lost in the dark of the world.

I totally disagree that seeing the world for the lost place of darkness it is keeps one from feeling joy.

We are not the world hates us, that in the last days Christians will be exhausted and ready to leave. But at the same time we are told to REJOICE! in the hate of the world, since that means they are hating us because or the real source of their hate, Christ. And thus we are his!

I see no contradiction in having a joyful heart while not liking the world. I see it as Biblical.

Oh, yea. It says those the world loves are of the world, not of Christ.


:nod:

[kay-gee]

Oh, I see the condition of the world alright and it bothers me at a certain level, but I do not obsess on it. Theres a big difference. There is so much more than any one man can do about it. I commit myself to letting light shine as best in my little corner as I can. As only one disciple among many, I believe that is a reasonable mandate......all the best........

[CoreIssue]

Yep. And that is one of the reasons CTZ exists.

[Sid]

. . . in the last days Christians will be exhausted and ready to leave. But at the same time we are told to REJOICE! in the hate of the world, since that means they are hating us because or the real source of their hate, Christ. And thus we are his!

I see no contradiction in having a joyful heart while not liking the world. I see it as Biblical.

Oh, yea. It says those the world loves are of the world, not of Christ.



Looking at the current state of the world, it seems that things just can't keep going on as they have for much longer.

It's either going to be the rapture or things could get really bad, really fast.

Americans have the farthest to fall. . . .

[a.baker]

It is getting really bad really fast. I asked for forgiveness from God today on something big. Yesterday I was so happy and joyful and today I am down... really down. Its probably an attack from the devil or maybe my eyes are just fully opened now and I see the wrongness. I feel down and brutally beaten inside as I scream for help. I need to have a hand reach out and pick me up. Maybe I care too much. Maybe I think too much. Maybe tomorrow will be a better day. I am looking forward to tomorrow to see what the day brings.

[CoreIssue]

A side effect of growth is realization.

And that means we have to do change, regret, reevaluation and confusion.

[a.baker]

I spent time with Him last night and it made me feel better. He lifted me up. I just feel quiet, nothing more, but full and the joy is coming back. Some days are just harder then others. No we can't ignore it or dwell on it, I agree. We will only find happiness in Him. Who needs that rotten fruit of the earth; it will only makes us sick. I feel rich inside. Today is a day for singing.

[CoreIssue]

Yep. We live in a dual reality, that of the spirit and of the world.

We can have total peace and promise in the spirit.

We will have turmoil and conflict in the world.

God is on our side. We win, even if the total fruits of the victory are not yet obtained.

[a.baker]

Yep I feel better today. Someone at Church reached out to me and helped pick me back up. We are going to have bible time soon. My car is breaking fast and so she is going to pick me up for fellowship. I can't wait and I am looking forward to that!

[CoreIssue]

Yep I feel better today. Someone at Church reached out to me and helped pick me back up. We are going to have bible time soon. My car is breaking fast and so she is going to pick me up for fellowship. I can't wait and I am looking forward to that!
:D

[InTheWind]

Separating ourselves from the world which is totally imposable is the hard part. I don`t think people fully understand what it`s all about, including myself. There`s a deep place down inside us where from the blood of Christ that is clean and forgiven but we rarely see it through all the trash from the world. :(
Am i close at all????

[CoreIssue]

Separating ourselves from the world which is totally imposable is the hard part. I don`t think people fully understand what it`s all about, including myself. There`s a deep place down inside us where from the blood of Christ that is clean and forgiven but we rarely see it through all the trash from the world. :(
Am i close at all????
Right on the money.

The requirements of the world make it hard, if not often impossible, to let it shine.

We see so many talking of their Christians values while money, prestige, power and such dominate their lives. Chrisitian values are let out only when it doesn't get in the way of their real priorities. Compromise rules their lives.

Those that hate Christianity are out to silence us.

That makes it hard. Very hard.

Struggling against fellow, weak Christians, supposed Christians, the world, and so on is a constant battle, as the Bible says it is and will be.

That leaves us with this inner power, peace, security and such in absolute contradiction and war against the chaos and stuggles of the world.

Does that make us weak, cowards, misled, quiters? No!

In fact, it shows us as more warriors than those who will compromise and judge 'success' through worldly standards.

But at the same time who do you see as having Gifts of the Spirit that are used in meaningful ways, that bear fruit.

Really, how many don't even believe gifts are given anymore?

Sure, we all fail at times. I know I do.

But what do we expect in these End Times?

What mean see as chaos, in our lives, we see as reality, striving for the spiritual while being strangers in a strange land, heading down the road to home.

[InTheWind]

:yowza:

[a.baker]

Yes my arm is being pulled left and being pulled right. I choose right and won't give up and will fight for Him and for the true joy to shine through. Its a hard fight, but as long as I look to Him for strength, wisdom, and answers to my questions then He wins. I must find patience and humbleness as I walk through this daily world. Which is hard when I feel attacks because my light shines. I won't let anyone burn it out. I can't live without Him. I will be devoured in a heartbeat.

[a.baker]

Argh! Attacks attacks attacks! Could it be attacks? Could it be He's testing my faith? Or could it be just life? At any rate I must stick to His word and I will get out of it o.k. Besides that, its another good day.

[a.baker]

I can sleep these last two nights so there is peace within me. No more waking up literally 6 times in a five hour time frame covered in sweat. Feels good to really rest. Still tired though.

[CoreIssue]

Takes time. But sure looks like progress. :D

[a.baker]

Yes true. Do you ever have times where you feel over whelmed with the world? Where do you look in the bible for encouraging words from God?

[a.baker]

Does it get easier as you grow in your relationship with Him or are there stronger and more attacks? I assume it comes and goes and is unique for each person and the attacks can get stronger and more sneaky.

[CoreIssue]

Yes true. Do you ever have times where you feel over whelmed with the world? Where do you look in the bible for encouraging words from God?
In the past that was very true, at times.
Does it get easier as you grow in your relationship with Him or are there stronger and more attacks? I assume it comes and goes and is unique for each person and the attacks can get stronger and more sneaky.
Yes, you get stronger.

Yes, you get more attacks, dependent on what your role is the Body, how open you are to attacks and a number of other factors.

Think of it in this way. The Bible says this is a war. The enemy probes for weaknesses in the 'Army of God.' It looks for way to try to neutralize the greatest threats to them. It looks to demoralize and discourage soldiers.

So, it is complex. But if you are of sound doctrine and working, count on getting attacked.

But, in turn, as soldiers get trained on advance weapons, they get harder to be attacked, even if the move up the primary targets list.

Does that imagery help?

I am talking about knowledge, love of sound doctrine, desire to work, gifts of the spirit and such, which are weapons.

[InTheWind]

Think of it in this way. The Bible says this is a war. The enemy probes for weaknesses in the 'Army of God.' It looks for way to try to neutralize the greatest threats to them. It looks to demoralize and discourage soldiers.



And when you have no Christian fellowship or church that cares around you it can get really rough, just ask me i know. :(

[Jessie]

Think of it in this way. The Bible says this is a war. The enemy probes for weaknesses in the 'Army of God.' It looks for way to try to neutralize the greatest threats to them. It looks to demoralize and discourage soldiers.



And when you have no Christian fellowship or church that cares around you it can get really rough, just ask me i know. :(


:hug::hug:

[InTheWind]

Thanks Jessie :hug:

[CoreIssue]

Good fellowship is getting harder to find. Sigh.

Be nice if we could all get together regularly, face to face.

[Jessie]

its practically impossible to find anymore. this is our connection!

[a.baker]

I agree. The internet was discovered for a purpose. Just not the most popular sinful ways it is used. I saw this one website where they were talking about the bible and no scripture. I thought what? Until I realized that they were talking about a video game that main focus was Christian religion and these people were taking into this video game as true word and religion. I couldn't believe it! They were all arguing and debating about what the Christian religion was according to what they learned from the video game (sims maybe?). And yes I can't fight alone. I have to have fellowship too. Felt like every one yesterday was treating me like a criminal. Four different really weird situations yesterday. Felt like more attacks! This world is getting bad. I can't listen to some music I did before because I here the words different now. I can't stand walking into JC Pennys to clean any more. But I must shake the dust off and move on joyfully. Me and my daughter went to VBS yesterday very nice. I must teach her right. She thinks Church is about food or something. But she is only 3 yrs.

[kay-gee]

Human fellowship is essential to spiritual growth. The church was instituted by Christ himself, for His people, and for His Glory. The internet is an invention of man, and should not in any wise, be compared to, or elevated to the status of His Church.
In example: How can we partake of the bread and the vine (in His comemeration) together.
How can we sing together to His praise and glory.
How do we greet one another with a holy kiss.
These are the things required of Christians and can not be done electronically. The internet is false and secretive. People just talking away using "handles" so as to remain anonamous. People beating each other up over doctrine then vanishing into space without a trace. Dis-fellowshipped at the touch of a button. This is not the biblical pattern. My goodness people!!! You have to find real live Christian fellowship and busy your self in it. Keep internet sites in their proper perspective. These are primarily recreational activities. I consider time spent here as better spent than hours of pointless television or whatever. It stimulates my spiritual nature and keeps me thinking. However, There is no substitute for Church. True strength is found in brotherhood.

all the best...

[a.baker]

Oh I agree coreissue. It would be nice to get together face to face. We just all come together from different parts of the world. We are far apart but yet super close. Distance can't separate us from God and distance can't separate brothers and sisters!

Kaygee, You have it right on the internet thing somewhat. My husband talks about the real person and then the third internet person. Maybe thats why my replies are so long and have much feeling in them. I don't have an internet person just myself. My heart hangs out there. I suppose I could get hurt in the process but this website seems different. I feel like I am talking to real people in the core. Not "internet" people. I rarely go anywhere else on the internet unless to research. I went to one website that was supposably Christian and I found false right away so I fled back to here. I wish as well we could meet face to face and have bible time together! But it is just our earthly bodies and we are here right now and can still have fellowship here. Its hard to communicate, minus our facial expressions and tones of voice, with other bodily communications. Big reason for us not understanding each other at times. But the main point does get across and I feel close to you all. You guys told me to pick up my bible. I was only seeing half of the truth before; my eyes were only half opened! You guys have brought me to the full truth... the bible! Everyday I come here not to kill time but to share and feel a closeness in this foreign world! Thank you.

[kay-gee]

I extend the invitation for people to come and visit me in person anytime they want, whether in Canada or in The Bahamas. I love to fellowship in person and have bible study.

all the best...

[a.baker]

Me too. I would prefer to be in person. But my situation is not working out right now. I am afraid to have my husband drive an hour away with our car when he goes to his friends house. Me and you are closer in distance now but still a long drive! Me and my husband went to Toronto and Niagara Falls for our honeymoon. Its crazy how at the falls the ice builds up from the mist in the winter time! All the barrels and other history of it is so interesting! The falls on Canada's side are much wider then the ones on the U.S. side.

[a.baker]

My husband would never let me visit anyone from the internet because he has a lot of fear. Which is understandable but there is nothing to fear here at CTZ. But he lives in sin and can't find Him and has actually rejected Him!! So why would he trust anyone? I see differently then he does. I feel sad for him.

[InTheWind]

I wasn`t insinuating that there wasn`t fellowship here, strictly talking about my area.:nod:

[a.baker]

No I know you weren't. Some where we were talking about internet personalities. I was just saying I have no internet personality. Its just me and thats why my replies are so dreadfully long. :tiphat: My husband rolls his eyes every time I get on CTZ. But its so much more to me than internet and that is why I keep coming back for the fellowship that is here. ;)

[CoreIssue]

KG, fellowship comes in many forms.

I will not argue face to face is not best and the most fulfilling.

But CTZ does have fellowship. Sad you don't see that.

And it teaches. We know you don't agree with a lot said here. But it is sad you make negative statements and feel no need to back them up with proofs. Actually, kinda dishonest to talk about truth, say others are getting it wrong, and then offer nothing to back the claims.

And entertainment only? Really?

Yea, more cliches and sound bits to try to diminish what is said here.

If it is truly so hollow then you should be feeling no need to chime in on what we see as importants discussions. Really.

Not saying you cannot speak. Not saying your thoughts are not welcome. But please, how about some substance to go with the put down? Really.

You talk about being positive. But you are so negative, at every crook and turn.

Easy to say no. Hard to say why.

Yep. I disagree with you a lot. But I give reasons, not rhetoric.

[a.baker]

I have learned more from my experience here and the bible, then I think I have my whole life... seriously! I love to see personalities shine through, it makes time here in fellowship seem even more real. Its a good a place for fellowship. Coming here makes me stick my nose in the bible more and more looking for answers. I love your humor Kaygee. You make me laugh. I also love everyones listening ear and the interesting topics that can arise!

[InTheWind]

No I know you weren't. Some where we were talking about internet personalities. I was just saying I have no internet personality. Its just me and thats why my replies are so dreadfully long. :tiphat: My husband rolls his eyes every time I get on CTZ. But its so much more to me than internet and that is why I keep coming back for the fellowship that is here. ;)

No i wasn`t comenting because of something you said, it was Cores reply that made me point out that i wasn`t talking about any lack of fellowship here.
No biggie. :tiphat:

[a.baker]

Yup no problem.
I must share something with everyone. I am sure you all know that these last 3 or 4 days have been crazy for me. I keep being acussed of stealing or not being honest (honesty and hard work has always been my thing. just the way I was raised). But last night something even more weird and ironic happened and even my husband agrees. A stranger came and knocked my door and stole from us. This has all been happening since I have asked for forgiveness for something big. The man appeared and disappeared out of nowhere. I can say oh well but it bothers my husband how this person took from us and chose our apartment. I can tell that my sin was forgiven and forgotten by Him because of what the Holy Spirit tells me. And now I am being attacked and/or tested with that in mind. Too much too soon to just be consequential. Very interesting. Makes me want to sing though. :nod:

[kay-gee]

Hello Core. I re-read my post #32, and found no trace of negativity. I like CTZ. I even stated that late in the post. I don't feel that I have ever put you or anyone down, unless by tongue in cheek, or mild sarcasm. I commend you, and the great effort that went into providing this web site for us to enjoy. I'm not sure, but maybe it's my writing style. I am constantly being misinterpetred, and it kinda grieves me a little. Have I not tried to bring a little sunshine to the site? I know we don't agree on some things, but I am mature enough to handle it. I've learned to just live and let live. There are many posts you've made that I was 100% agreement on, but never responded to say so. My goal here on CTZ is to one day acheive peace with you.
Having said all that, my comments concerning internet were more general. Any Christian based website, regardless of how good, is not a substitute for the living, breathing body of Christ. I feel that is a reasonable statement that most Christians would agree with.
all the best...

[kay-gee]

Hi. a.baker I extend the invitation for folks to visit me, not go to them. You see, I am the real deal and have no fear of any one who professes Christianity, as most here do. Your husband is probably very wise in the position he has taken. If by chance, you live in the U.P. (Mich), you are about 2 hours from our place.
Niagara falls is pretty impressive. Gotta admit, Canada really lucked out on that deal. The big horeshoe is on our side of the border. How did you like Toronto? Pretty impressive city. I lived there right up until this Bahamas thing happened. My wife got Bahamian citizenship, by ancestry, and she decided to move there. Bought a home there. I kinda have 3 places to call home. The great thing about the body of Christ, is that it literally encompasses the planet. I could be any where and find brothers. In a strange city, the first thing I do is look them up. Great for making contacts as well as fellowship. I wish I could stress what a weonderful thing it is to be a part of the body.

all the best...

[CoreIssue]

Hello Core. I re-read my post #32, and found no trace of negativity. I like CTZ. I even stated that late in the post. I don't feel that I have ever put you or anyone down, unless by tongue in cheek, or mild sarcasm. I commend you, and the great effort that went into providing this web site for us to enjoy. I'm not sure, but maybe it's my writing style. I am constantly being misinterpetred, and it kinda grieves me a little. Have I not tried to bring a little sunshine to the site? I know we don't agree on some things, but I am mature enough to handle it. I've learned to just live and let live. There are many posts you've made that I was 100% agreement on, but never responded to say so. My goal here on CTZ is to one day acheive peace with you.
Having said all that, my comments concerning internet were more general. Any Christian based website, regardless of how good, is not a substitute for the living, breathing body of Christ. I feel that is a reasonable statement that most Christians would agree with.
all the best...
KG, never said you were doing personal attacks.

But a ton of times you have, in fact, entered discussion and said something was wrong. Not Biblical.

Maybe not in direct words, but when you deny it or say someting else is true, that is what it adds up to. As on Amillennialism, the easiest to point out.

You have basically said Israel existing is a fluke, and it will go away, that Church has replaced Israel and so on.

In other places, when you disagreed with something said, you have been asked to give some proof.

We have been in SERIOUS discussion, on important issues, with new comers and you have jumped in, contradicting what was said.

Fun, when appropriate, is fine. But when you reject or deny a doctrine, or interject opposing views when we are talking to someone in need, you better have backing to prove you case. I always do, you don't.

And you did tell MHz you were learning to 'play the game,' here, to get your points in.

This ain't a game.

Yep. I have told you, in places, I agree fully with you. You have so told me, as well.

But when someone comes on, hurting, they don't need you taking opposing views unless you are well prepared to prove yourself correct.

As with demons and gifts. You did say the time for the gifts are passed. A popular view that 1 Cor, in example, rejects.

See what I just did? I disagreed with your disagreement and pointed to a reason why. You don't do that.

[a.baker]

I agree kaygee. Canada has the better half of the falls. I actually live about 1.5 hrs. from Indiana. So its more on the southern end of MI. Its so funny. When I moved to Fl. I found out that people up north talk about driving distance in minutes and hours and people down south talk of it in miles. We only lived in Jacksonville, Fl. for about a year. The pretty bad part of it too. Me and my husband had a baby and so we moved back to Mi. to be with family. We didn't really have any family in Fl. We also moved because of a bad situation with our friends friends (if that makes sense). It was weird. It would rain every day and be super humid but it was always so dry. And trying to swim in the wild ocean when your super pregnant was not fun. The weather was super horrible for me because my last 3 months of pregnancy was in the summer. I couldn't believe how cold it got in the winter either. But if you drove about 2-3 hrs. more down south in Fl. the weather and bugs were dramatically different. I am sure the Bahamas are even more different then Fl. People in Fl. didn't like us much because we were from the north; who knew?

[CoreIssue]

Being a Hoosier country boy, with road conditions and such, the time to drive had a whole lot more meaning than the miles.

I remember dirt and gravel roads. Sure don't drive those like paved highways.

[a.baker]

Yeah I miss the country now that we live in the city. We don't have to drive far though to get back out into the country. My dream is to some day own a home in the middle of nowhere with lots of land and woods and have a garden and a dog. I love dogs and I always wanted a farm! Maybe even do a little farming. I love to work with my hands and the physical labor. My dad is a John Deer maniac ( he has like 12 John Deers and doesn't even farm.) and I grew up around a farm a little bit so I have some what of an idea about having a farm. I would love to have my own cows and pigs and chickens for our own meat and dairy. And a one horse. Its a lot of work so maybe I can do the farm thing some day when I retire. But I want an old farm house in the country with some land as soon as we can get our financial situation together.

[CoreIssue]

Yep, they are a lot of work. A ton.

I like land and such around me. Don't have as much as I would like.

But I don't miss all the work that went with it.

[Sid]

If one pays attention to the world situation and current events, we have to be close to the end.

I read through this thread and it was better than a support group or a therapy session.

[a.baker]

Sid,
I don't know why but I am again starting to feel sad. Why all this loneness is coming on me I don't know. I just went to have bible time with a friend and I feel it wasn't long enough. It never seems to be enough. We are always looking for more. The time was great and well spent but I need more friends in the flesh then just one. Friends that know God and the truth of what is written in the bible. Friends to share things with and talk about God and Jesus and just life. They are so hard to come by. Being here at the website helps me so much to cope with loneness. Even though we can't be together in the flesh it does help me to cope with the outside world tremendously! I need to pray and maybe spend some alone time with God and my bible. Its hard but God seems to muster the strength in me that I need from the Holy Spirit dwelling inside of me. I always try to stay optimistic and look forward to what the next day will bring that He has made! After that its beyond me. Yes the end is soon. But where in Revelations; again is beyond me. God gives me so much hope and so does everyone here... thank-x!

[Jessie]

:hug: CTZ is such a blessing.

I think as Christians we go thru a lonliness that others dont have.
we KNOW what is going to happen whereas others see things coming but really dont get it.

[InTheWind]

I think as Christians we go thru a lonliness that others dont have.



I believe that too. :nod:

[Sid]

I think as Christians we go thru a lonliness that others dont have.


Jessie:

Maybe it is because we are refugees and expatriates here, our citizenship is elsewhere.



we KNOW what is going to happen whereas others see things coming but really dont get it.
Those who have made themselves at home in this world can't/don't want to see.

[kay-gee]

Many John Deere maniacs around here as well. The house is full of JD memorallia, including the dogs collar! My dads hobby was restoring Caterpillar equipment. A lot of that around here as well. I think it's a nice dream that you have. Make a plan and go after it. Make sure it is also your spouses plan too, or you will be battling up hill all the way.
all the best...

[a.baker]

Yes today is much better. I feel overwhelmed with joy and peace. Things are always going up and down. I agree with all the replies from everyone I have read since my last post. So refreshing to see I am not alone in this. I see satan sometimes tries to lie to me by saying I am not loved. But I see that and can see past that with all the wonderful fulfilling love from God and His children (my brothers and sisters).

Kaygee, Yes my dad has John Deer Christmas lights, dishes, silverware, blankets, paintings, models for display, bicycles, lots of decorations, clothes, ect. its John Deer galore in their house. Its like a John Deer muesam (been a long time since I have been in school. I can't remember how to spell muesam)! Its kinda sad. I wish he would spend his money on something else and not be so materialistic! Nothing wrong with having a hobby and such but this one has literally consumed my dad!

[InTheWind]

a.baker here`a one for your dad, my JD 60.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/InTheWind/1953johndeere60.jpg

[CoreIssue]

Antique now! :eek:

That was our farm model tractor when I was a kid. :D

[a.baker]

Ha! Ha! Ha! He doesn't need any more trust me! He doesn't have one like that though. I will try to remember what he does have; model A (couple of those), C (with steel wheels), G and much more. I can't remember I don't know much about them. They all run on water I think and they all have some spinning wheel that you have to spin many times to get it started. They all run and are super loud. Its funny because he has like 12 John Deers in his barn and one Farmall (I think its a red one).

[a.baker]

Yes and he puts a tin can on that pipe thing because it can't get water on the inside!

[Jessie]

wow those must be oldies

[Jessie]

Antique now! :eek:

That was our farm model tractor when I was a kid. :D


antique? oh my we must be getting antiqued too....;)

[CoreIssue]

Not antique in the true meaning. But collectable to some.

Tractors from the 50's, which were not that old in the 60's.

I don't think we are very collectable, though. :eek:

[InTheWind]

What seperates things from old and from today is quality, even us old duffs. :yowza:

[CoreIssue]

What seperates things from old and from today is quality, even us old duffs. :yowza:
:2thumbup:

[Jessie]

What seperates things from old and from today is quality, even us old duffs. :yowza:

:D

[a.baker]

Very true. These people that worked with my mother bought a brand new house that was about a $250,000 and they had to sell it after one year. The quality of the construction was so horrible that they had to keep having someone over to fix stuff like for example there was some kinda water damage from piping upstairs that made it through the ceiling into the first floor kitchen. And everything is made out of plastic these days. And cars don't consist of much metal any more either. Everyone also wants to produce for cheaper but the quality also goes with it.

[kay-gee]

Hey guys, got a 1955 model 420 out in the shed. What would something like that be worth? Mint condition. Been stored indoors always. I believe 2 cyl. gasoline.
all the best...

[CoreIssue]

Hey guys, got a 1955 model 420 out in the shed. What would something like that be worth? Mint condition. Been stored indoors always. I believe 2 cyl. gasoline.
all the best...
ITW would do a lot better at this one than me.