the secret

[Jessie]

apperently there is a new movie and there is a book on the secret.

Oprah will have it on her show or already has.
what it is is wof without Jesus (as someone said already)

it is the secular wof from what I can gather.

this is NOT good. IT IS NOT CHRISTIAN.

I was wondering where the next part would start. the secular world now.

my belief is that it will create such mental/emotional unstability it will be unreal.
evil will get much worse thru this stuff.

it is a mind control.

and will help bring forth the new world religion for the trib.

[Jessie]

http://thesecret.tv/home.html

check the site out best ya can to protect those you care about from falling into this nonsense.

[CoreIssue]

If Oprah likes it, it cannot be good.

She is 100% into touchie feelie positive only.

Got her burnt more than once.

I have heard here praise the Dahli Lhama for his wisdom. :swoon:

[Jessie]

oprah is new age.

to many it may seem that this is just another
nonsense fad or something but having been there myself,

this is going to be a humdinger. :(

many who are already searching for answers to their problems will get hooked.

this is the same stuff pat robertson has been teaching (along with others like copeland, hinn ect) for yrs. now its being spoon fed to the masses.

the world we knew even 10 yrs ago is distant history.
its almost gone.

surely Jesus must almost be on his way to get us.
its all in line for the ac. and becoming moreso everyday!

wonder if they had this garbage in the days of noah???

Jesus said will I find faith on the earth, well this stuff destroys faith.

we can see it all lining up just as He said it would.

[Jessie]

If Oprah likes it, it cannot be good.

She is 100% into touchie feelie positive only.

Got her burnt more than once.

I have heard here praise the Dahli Lhama for his wisdom. :swoon:

this is what I call everyones buddy no buddys friend.

playing the middle of the road which most folks do. keep everyone happy,
not a love of the truth at all.

[He's Real]

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Ok.....I couldn't figure anything out about the Secret. I didn't watch the trailer because I was afraid of or unfamiliar as to what I would be installing. However after seeing the above info I figured I saw enough to convince me to walk the other direction.

[kay-gee]

The secret is no secret at all. I've always lived that way. Never needed a book to explain it to me. It just coms natural. I cannot speak to the authors motivations for the book, but let me tell you (as you already know about me),that positive thinking can go a long way to getting ahead in yor life. Its a vibe that starts with-in and can spill over to those around you. My joy comes from seeing others get it, not from what I think I can gain monetarily from it. Oprah has it too. I don't see why the harsh criticism of her. Folks, it all boils down to Phillipians4:7-9 Thats it, thats all, T'aint no more!!!!! all the best.....

[CoreIssue]

How New Age of you, KG.

No wonder you don't have a problem with WoF.

Speaking words in belief, visualizing into reality and all the rest of this is New Age.

If you think you are causing good things to happen because you simple think or declare them real, then you are so far from the Bible it is sad.

This pure mysticism/occult.

Bears no resemblance to having a goal and working hard to make it work, backed up by prayer.

This puts the power in YOU to force it to happen by the power within you.

No wonder, you see a lot of the things said on CTZ as negative.

We pursue what God wants us to pursue, even when against the desires of the world.

You are trying to make the Bible a suppliment and source for fulfilling the desires of the world.

[kay-gee]

I am sorry Core my friend, but that just isn't so. I am not New Age and have made that abundantly clear in my postings. I made my commitment to follow Christ some time ago and have every intention to see it thru to the end, whether that be death or Jesus returns to bring about the end of all things. I take my spiritual counsel from no one but the NT authors. Not Oprah, not Dhali Lama, No one! I guess the only difference between me and many on CTZ, is that I live for positivity rather than for gloom and doom. I have tried to let that light and positivity flow from my keyboard to all of you at CTZ. Try to look at life from a different perspective. See not only how God has blessed, but also has empowered us for road, whether or not your particular road is one of tribulation or one of triumph. It doesnt matter. Paul said that he had become content in all things. There was nothing easy about Paul's life. Merely read the retelling He gives Of his life's events. Not one of us on this board has seen anything like Paul, in terms of hardship. Yet here was a man flogged and lying in a wretched 1st century prison cell. Doing what? Singing praises at the top of his lungs. What does that tell you about the supernatural energy that drove this man? That is the same force that I've being trying to describe to you all along! This is where I take my cues, not some wishy washy philosophy, as I have been accused by you. Paul was the one who wrote Phillipians4:7-9. not me so direct your dis-belief at these straight forward apostolic teachings. I realize that because it's not some esoteric prophetic scripture, it may seem simplistic and boring to you people, but it is straight scripture. Believe it and apply it and no doubt you will be blessed in your own life as well as become a blessing to other peoples lives. In contrast to your feelings toward be and your criticism of my faith, I have simply decided to really take Him at His word, and His promises have become real to me. I sense sometimes that even with all your great study and knowledge, That you've never really embraced the faith in it's very essence. I sincerely hope that I am wrong about that! Please,Please humour me just once and Cheer Up!!!!.......all the best.........

[CoreIssue]

KG, in truth, I have embraced the faith to a much deeper level and attachment than you have.

You said you have been doing it the way of The Secret.

The Secret teaches the New Age/Occult way of belief.

To say you embrace that is to say you embrace the New Age and Occult. No way around it.

Being 'positive.' Code words so-called Bible teachers, who have embraced such teachings, use.

Was God 'negative' when he wrote the Ten Commandments beginnig with the 'You will not?'

Was Christ being negative when he took a stick to the traders in the Temple and called the Pharisees snakes and asses?

Was Paul being negative for condemning a church in having a pride in being all inclusive and not negative on false doctrine among them?

You are missing half of the Bible when you dwell on the 'positive.'

'Know the Enemy' means to know how evil and 'negative' works.

Did Christ say he would embrace those who stood before him and bragged about all the good the did in his name? Or will he cast them into the Lake?

While we are told to love, are we not also told to rebuke, refute and correct false doctrine?

Is that negative or 'positive?'

Are we told to avoid conflict on all issues, or just the needless ones?

Should a teaching class back down when someone says something in error to avoid disagreement?

Should a teacher not teach what will surely upset some of the class? A preacher not preach on it?

Should a board, whose function si fellowship in part, learning, in part and debate for the purposes of changing minds stop teaching, discussing and debating? Should it allow all points of view to be presented as fact, whether it is or not? Should it be silent on issues that might make someone uncomfortable?

You seem to either forget or not understand why CTZ exists.

It is not just a fellowship board. It is a board where seekers can come with questions, those in cults can come and talk where do do so in the open where their fellow cult members would catch them would result in serious problems for them, those into other relgions can come, those into bad situtions where to be public locally would be of harm to them can come.

That automatically mean it isn't a touchy feelie warm and fuzzy place. It is a place where some are helped, some are made angry and many will not come or stay, because they are locked in their ways.

It is a place for those seeking change and growth. A place to be challenged. A place to be challenged and for the answers to be their for the lurkers to read.

Such a place will have conflict. That comes with the territory.

We are doing what most in the Church will not do anymore. We WILL not dodge the conflict and will not back down from defending sound doctrine to be politically correct.

So, yea, I do get it.

I created this site. Then got dear friends like CTZonEdit, ITW, Chrystal and Lighthouse to help grow and run it.

I pay for it out of my own pocket. And never ask for a penny. I spend my time on it to keep it up and running.

So, yea, I get it.

The great art work is CTZonEdit's. The marvelous smilie collection is from Chrystal. The warmth, caring and keeping me on course is from ITW. The news and informationals are from Lighthouse. The links and such helps are from Sid.

So, yea, we get it. And get it in works beyond this forum as well.

[kay-gee]

Thank-you for the information. So you created CTZ. It's a good board. I congratulate you on it and also the others. I'm sorry if I ruffled your feathers. It was not my intention. All I ask though, is not to be dismissed as some wishy washy New Age crank. Nothing could be further from the truth. I actually am a moral and fiscal conservative. I am also a pragmatist and embrace the Christian faith as a very practical and hands on life-style. I feel that I can be an asset to your forum by offering a little different angle and perspective, so that it dosen't become a "back patting" everone agreeing bunch of boring-ness. I thought I was doing quite well as a contributor. I have never read the SECRET and have no desire to. I was only saying that Those kinds of things come naturally to me and don't need that book to tell me how to operate in life to get results. I am puzzled as to how that categorizes me as a mystic, devil worshipper or whatever. I'm a little hurt but I forgive easily and hope there are better times ahead...all the best.....kay-gee

[CoreIssue]

Thank-you for the information. So you created CTZ. It's a good board. I congratulate you on it and also the others.
Thanks. We have some really good people here.
I'm sorry if I ruffled your feathers. It was not my intention. All I ask though, is not to be dismissed as some wishy washy New Age crank. Nothing could be further from the truth. I actually am a moral and fiscal conservative. I am also a pragmatist and embrace the Christian faith as a very practical and hands on life-style.
Embracing the secret is embracing New Age.
I feel that I can be an asset to your forum by offering a little different angle and perspective, so that it dosen't become a "back patting" everone agreeing bunch of boring-ness. I thought I was doing quite well as a contributor.
No problem. We welcome different perspectives.
I have never read the SECRET and have no desire to. I was only saying that Those kinds of things come naturally to me and don't need that book to tell me how to operate in life to get results. I am puzzled as to how that categorizes me as a mystic, devil worshipper or whatever. I'm a little hurt but I forgive easily and hope there are better times ahead...all the best.....kay-gee
Come on, KG. You said you operated the way the book says.

Now you say you never read it.

Your own words got you there.

Don't feel hurt. Clarified and time to move on.

[kay-gee]

Let me just clear up concerning my knowledge of "the secret". Honestly, I have not read or even seen the "secret". The extant of my knowledge of it is this: A couple of months ago I was having a conversation with the wife of a rich lawyer/business man. She brought up the topic of the secret. She began to tell me about some of the things the book teaches, the most notable to me, being how you let positivity flow and it compounds and floods into all the areas of your life and as a result you make good things happen (like success). At that point I thought she was just referring to another self advice type book, of which there are millions! I said to her in the conversation, "Whats the Big Deal about that?", Making goodness flow is Christianity 101", after which, not much more was said about it. You see, I always to try to slip a little something about my faith, "under the door", if you know what I mean!. Should I meet her again, I want to pursue this conversation. So, you see, until Jessie posted "the Secret" on the forum, that was all I had to do with it. all the best...

[CoreIssue]

Let me just clear up concerning my knowledge of "the secret". Honestly, I have not read or even seen the "secret". The extant of my knowledge of it is this: A couple of months ago I was having a conversation with the wife of a rich lawyer/business man. She brought up the topic of the secret. She began to tell me about some of the things the book teaches, the most notable to me, being how you let positivity flow and it compounds and floods into all the areas of your life and as a result you make good things happen (like success). At that point I thought she was just referring to another self advice type book, of which there are millions! I said to her in the conversation, "Whats the Big Deal about that?", Making goodness flow is Christianity 101", after which, not much more was said about it. You see, I always to try to slip a little something about my faith, "under the door", if you know what I mean!. Should I meet her again, I want to pursue this conversation. So, you see, until Jessie posted "the Secret" on the forum, that was all I had to do with it. all the best...
Well, your error was to assume it meant flow in the Christian since. As in having faith.

It doesn't. It means YOUR positive energy forces good things to happen. You cause the good by the power of your will. You do it, not God.

Only seeing the positive can get one in deep trouble. What looks positive can sometimes be very evil.

[Jessie]

Let me just clear up concerning my knowledge of "the secret". Honestly, I have not read or even seen the "secret". The extant of my knowledge of it is this: A couple of months ago I was having a conversation with the wife of a rich lawyer/business man. She brought up the topic of the secret. She began to tell me about some of the things the book teaches, the most notable to me, being how you let positivity flow and it compounds and floods into all the areas of your life and as a result you make good things happen (like success). At that point I thought she was just referring to another self advice type book, of which there are millions! I said to her in the conversation, "Whats the Big Deal about that?", Making goodness flow is Christianity 101", after which, not much more was said about it. You see, I always to try to slip a little something about my faith, "under the door", if you know what I mean!. Should I meet her again, I want to pursue this conversation. So, you see, until Jessie posted "the Secret" on the forum, that was all I had to do with it. all the best...
Well, your error was to assume it meant flow in the Christian since. As in having faith.

It doesn't. It means YOUR positive energy forces good things to happen. You cause the good by the power of your will. You do it, not God.

Only seeing the positive can get one in deep trouble. What looks positive can sometimes be very evil.

your last 2 sentances I can very well agree with! what a nightmare.:eek:

[kay-gee]

I once read Dale Carnegie's book "how to win friends and influence people". I'm sure that you've heard of it. A really old book I think. Any way, when I finished it, I was completely over-taken by this great sense that I could have written the book myself! As I read through each concept, I thought," doesn't every body think this way?" I guess not. I was in my early 20's at the time and realized that I had a special gift. I acknowledge as exactly that. A gift from my Heavenly Father, and I exercise when I can and to His glory. It is nothing of my own power. There are a million things in which I am not gifted and actually suck at. I am known in my Church family as a modern day "Barnabas". I encourage people. I don't know how or why, I just do! Barnabas was a Christian as am I. No New Age here. To read about my experience with New Age, go to the Thread by that name. It was an old thread, and I posted a story on it a couple of days ago. All the best.........

[kay-gee]

The bible is not the only book that we are allowed to read. It should be the main thing we read no doubt, but there is good information we can take away from other sources as well. If I wanted to know how to build a certain thing, I would read a book by somebody that knows about that. People do have a lot of knowledge to impart to others on a whole range of topics, including how to use positive thinking to bolster your chances for success in business or what-ever. Not everything is a question of religion...All the best........

[InTheWind]

I`d just like to add that everyone is influenced by God working through someone else at one time or another. I believe that we should be light and by our cheerful mood and a smile on our face we encourage others to find what we have.
There are those that will abuse anything for their goals but we should give the benefit of the doubt to a cheerful person until they prove otherwise. :):

[CoreIssue]

Yes, we can read other things. But no, we can make them equal to the Bible.

[kay-gee]

Hey ITW, could'nt have said it better my self......all the best.........

[kay-gee]

Core, the Bible is the Alpha and Omega of knowledge. They say: If it was the only book you ever read, it would be enough, If it were the only book in the world you did'nt read you would lack.........all the best..........

[CoreIssue]

I`d just like to add that everyone is influenced by God working through someone else at one time or another. I believe that we should be light and by our cheerful mood and a smile on our face we encourage others to find what we have.
There are those that will abuse anything for their goals but we should give the benefit of the doubt to a cheerful person until they prove otherwise. :):
Yep.

Gotten us both burnt a few times doing that. But what is lost in not doing it is worse.

And when it is returned or ends up in something better, that makes it all worth while.