interesting thing on masons here

[Jessie]

this was in our local newspaper this morning.

gives the name of the lodge, numbers and all, then says

seek and ye will find ask and you will receive
a mason cannot ask you.

then gives name and phone number.

I have never seen this.... interesting.

[Sid]

gives the name of the lodge, numbers and all, then says

seek and ye will find ask and you will receive
a mason cannot ask you.

then gives name and phone number.


Jessie:


Sounds like a lodge trolling for new members.

I have been approached several times to join the lodge, but have no use for secret societies and oaths.

Where I used to work, there were masons everywhere. Everyone knew that the ring-rubbers had the inside track for promotions and treatment.

Ran across this video, want to share it:

Commentary on Freemasonry [08:02] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNBiVNNTk0c&mode=related&search=)


Most men get involved in Freemasonry for the social aspects and business contacts [even if they deny the second motivation]. . . .

. . . but a tiny minority take it serious, like it is their religion.

Of course, that tiny minority rises to the leadership levels.

That is what is scary about it.

[kay-gee]

Hey, Masons are harmless. They do good work in the community. The secretive stuff is little more than gobbldegook to make the thing fun. (like Fred and Barney with their secret order of the Water-buffalo). Who shall we pick on next? The Lions? The Kiwanis, Chamber of commerce? All the best.........

[Sid]

Hey, Masons are harmless. They do good work in the community. The secretive stuff is little more than gobbldegook to make the thing fun. (like Fred and Barney with their secret order of the Water-buffalo). Who shall we pick on next? The Lions? The Kiwanis, Chamber of commerce? All the best.........


kay-gee:


When you see Freemasons think Socialist Humanists with a side order of occult.

Do you get out much?

[Sid]

The RCC sounds the alarm on the dangers of Freemasonry and the New World Order.

. . . two things they get correct.


06:25

Fr O'Connor on Freemasonry, New World Order (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_epKWegb08)

[TEXASGRANDMA]

Hubby's grandfather was a mason. He asked hubby to join when we got married. I was disappointed when hubby said no, but now I am glad he did not join.
betty

[kay-gee]

Freemasons have been around since medevial times. (William of Orange, I think) If they were going to conquer the world, whats taking them so long? I mean C'mon guys...Geeez!..........All the best.........

[InTheWind]

I figure when we see the truth about everything we will be shocked of what went on in the world and by who. :eek:

[Sid]

I figure when we see the truth about everything we will be shocked of what went on in the world and by who. :eek:


ITW:


The truth about the dangers of freemasonry are out there for all to see:


How can you lead Masons away from the Masonic Lodge? (http://www.ephesians5-11.org/)

Freemasonry Resource Files (http://www.saintsalive.com/freemasonry.html)



99% of the men that join the Lodge do so for the business and career enhancement (they deny it, but that is the reality) and as a reason to get out of the house on [insert day of week] to have a night out with the boys, play cards/dominoes and drink a few brewskis. Funny hats, clowns, bands, marching outfits, little cars and they do some really good charitable work.


It is the other 1% that cause all the problems: they take FreeMasonry dead serious, take it as religion and as a change the world strategy.


. . . naturally it is the 1% who rise to leadership positions.

[InTheWind]

No i know it`s out there, i meant someday we`re going to see how much deception and be surprised by who and we`re going to be shocked. Or we can say, "I told ya so "

[Sid]

i meant someday we`re going to see how much deception and be surprised by who and we`re going to be shocked.


ITW:


I believe that many involved in Freemasonry, Global Government, Global Banking, Interfaithism and the New Age Movement will be humbled when they come to realize that they have been played like a violin by the darkside.

I see Ephesians 6 spiritual combat will get hand-to-hand any day now.


Keep looking up! http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i127/deb1611/Rapture.gif

[Jessie]

I figure when we see the truth about everything we will be shocked of what went on in the world and by who. :eek:


yep....

kaygee my dads family was mason. my dad had NO use for christians.

I look back and remember the things he would say and boy I tell you it all sounded
like mason junk.

when in their lodges they cant talk about Jesus and everyone has their own way to god,
thats a huge problem right there....

[kay-gee]

Your public schools can"t either. So what? At least Mason's build the odd park for the community or provide wheelchairs etc... Also rent out their hall for social functions. No harm there. What they say or don't say in their meetings, has no bearing whatsoever on the future of Christianity. all the best............

[InTheWind]

Your public schools can"t either. So what? At least Mason's build the odd park for the community or provide wheelchairs etc... Also rent out their hall for social functions. No harm there. What they say or don't say in their meetings, has no bearing whatsoever on the future of Christianity. all the best............


More power too ya Kay-gee but i can`t help thinking that`s exactly what people will be saying about the AC. :(
I`ve found when it`s too good to be true it usualy is. :nod:

[Sid]

I believe that many involved in Freemasonry, Global Government, Global Banking, Interfaithism and the New Age Movement will be humbled when they come to realize that they have been played like a violin by the darkside.

I see Ephesians 6 spiritual combat will get hand-to-hand any day now.




I consider Freemasonry to be an ecumenical and pagan religion that combines, corrupts and perverts the elements of foundational doctrines of Christianity, Catholicism, Hinduism, Demon worship, etc. I do not believe that one can be both Mason and Christian, for the doctrines of the two bodies are antithetical to one another.


LINK (http://forums.delphiforums.com/n/mb/display.asp?webtag=ptgm&msg=1141.1)

[CoreIssue]

Right on, Sid.

It isn't Christian. It is a separate religion with its own belief system, rituals, laws and such.

It came out of Gnosticism.

[kay-gee]

Sorry, still not convinced. Found out the other day, our gardener is a mason. (Showed me the tatoo of the compasses). He's as harmless as the day is long. Regularly atends the Baptist church in a village near here.........all the best..........

[Jessie]

kaygee its a religion of its own. beware

[kay-gee]

Real dangerous! Get together once a week, get drunk, play ping-pong!.....all the best......

[CoreIssue]

Whoever said a religion had to be physically dangerous to be dangerous?

You really have bitten into the PC nonsense.

[kay-gee]

Do you mean "Progressive Conservative" or "Politically Correct" ? I am very big on the former!........all the best...

[CoreIssue]

Politically correct. Just not wanting see anything negative.

[kay-gee]

I just don't read negativity into things that don't warrant it. Not exactly sure how that makes me politically correct. Doesnt that apply more to calling people mentally challenged instead of retarded, and such, so as to not hurt peoples feelings? The masons have been around since medieval times. If they had something up their sleeves, don't you think they would have made their move by now? What are they waiting for? Back home, we have a couple of masons in our fellowship, old timers, very dedicated Christian fellows. Never once has the fellowship felt any threat from them. I have more issue with "church hoppers" who pop in but never commit. They are the threat to the churches future! I am actually the complete opposite of PC. I see it's become trendy of late in the "churches" to bad-mouth fraternities such as Masons and Shriners and such. I go against the crowd, making my judgments on reality and reason alone. So there!....all the best...

[CoreIssue]

Do you any idea what Masons teach and believe about God? Hmmm?

[kay-gee]

Just like AA. the concept of God is left to the conscience of the individual. Did you know that originally they were a fraternity of literal stone masons (hewers of stone). The rest is just mystique that the rest of us have supposed into it, probably out of jealousy more than anything else. Cause we don't belong to something so cool. Didn't you ever as a kid have little clubs with the boys where you had secret passwords and pacts and stuff? It's the same idea, only adults!........all the best.............

[CoreIssue]

Just like I thought. You don't have a clue what they believe.

No. They have very well defined beliefs and doctrines. All secret, except for those who have revealed them.

[kay-gee]

Long story short! Matthew 13 talks a lot about the tares growing up amid the wheat. Don't uproot the tares in case you damage the wheat (vs29) Christ will have the final say about what is what and who is who and will make the appropriate judgment when He comes.(41-42) What the Masons may or may not be teaching is of no consequence to me. You can toss and turn at night over them if you want to! There is only one organization (for lack of a better word) for which I have any concern. That is The church that Jesus is building(Matt16:18). I need to make sure MY doctrine is correct and in line with Gods word!
Do you remember the story at the end of gospel of John, where Peter says "Lord, what about this man?" I find a lesson in there. We are always pointing fingers around going what about this guy, and that group and this cult or denomination, whatever! Let the Lord deal with the JWs and LDSs and WoFs and the Masons,whoever! Focus on what YOU need to be doing to faithfully serve Him and build up His kingdom daily, watching for His coming! all the best....

[CTZonEdit]

So essentially what you are saying is that unless someone slaps you upside the head with their 2x4 you just let them be since its not your concern and God will deal with them.

And how is that not considered PC?

The mindset you have is very dangerous KG, and highly succeptible to failure spiritually. I mean you are completely oblivious to the fact that the masons are a cult secret society.

Do you even realize the spiritual warfare that is going on around you?

A quote I recall is appropriate here I believe: "Do not be so heavenly minded that you do no earthly good."

[kay-gee]

If my singlemindedness and focus is what you are refering to as PC then yeah, I'm PC I guess.
Actually, I'm headed for spiritual succss and growing stronger daily. (2Cor4:16) I'm aware of the existance of ungodly cults. But they are not my problem (1 Cor5:12)
Yes, I am aware of the spiritual warfare around me. (Eph 6:12)
A great lesson for all of us is found in (Heb 12:1-2)
all the best...............

[CoreIssue]

If my singlemindedness and focus is what you are refering to as PC then yeah, I'm PC I guess.
Indeed you are.
Actually, I'm headed for spiritual succss and growing stronger daily. (2Cor4:16)
That verse is about endurance.

How do you measure success?

Some of the most spiritually successful are those who were oppressed and killed in Russia. God will reward their endurance and faithfulness.

The PC types don't hold up well under those conditions. They tend to be Sunny Day saints.
I'm aware of the existance of ungodly cults.
Masons are one.
But they are not my problem (1 Cor5:12)
That is about judging, not loving and trying to convert.

As said in the OT, if one does not warn those they can of where they are heading, their blood is one their hands.

You have an obligation to care. Love your enemy and neighbor.

Hollow love if you don't try.

Yes, I am aware of the spiritual warfare around me. (Eph 6:12)

But you do not fight, it seems.
A great lesson for all of us is found in (Heb 12:1-2)
all the best...............[/quote]
The way you use it sounds like monks hiding from the world to protect their spirituality.

[kay-gee]

FYI, I am quite strong and enduring spiritually. I have had much success over my trials and set-backs (Philippians 3:13) No, I have not faced oppression in Russia. God blessed me with birth in a peaceful Utopian nation as Canada. Please be careful making judgments on my Christianity or my effectiveness as a servant in His vineyard. You do not really know me well enough to make those kinds of verdicts. Remember we are basically people in Cyberspace. Actually I am a fighter and fiercely loyal, to causes I believe in. How many others stick around here, specially taking the flak I've taken since I got here. I notice it's usually a post or two then gone if even that. If God chooses physical violence for me to endure, then I shall be ready for that too. I choose to not be a cult fighter, simply because it is not my area of ministry. I believe strongly in church. I attend church. I do church work, including even the dirty jobs when they need doing. I'd be curious to know how many on this site are actually committed members of an assembly of believers. I will pass no judgment because I don't know, but I'll wager that many are "churchhoppers" going to and fro, looking for that perfect church. The excuses are endless. Too hypocritical, too this, too that! Jesus is building His church. Decide what side of the fence you're on, and plant your flag. Your worship is every bit as importance as your marriage. In fact you are married to Christ. I am appalled at how lightly people treat it! I do try to help my neighbor as best I can. I love (fortunately, I don't have many enemies) I try to make peace where-ever possible with all men. I even forgive! I don't hold grudges. I apologize when I think I've done some one wrong! If you are interested. That is the real kay-gee. How do you like me now?
all the best............

[CoreIssue]

FYI, I am quite strong and enduring spiritually. I have had much success over my trials and set-backs (Philippians 3:13) No, I have not faced oppression in Russia. God blessed me with birth in a peaceful Utopian nation as Canada. Please be careful making judgments on my Christianity or my effectiveness as a servant in His vineyard.
I made a stereotypical statement.
You do not really know me well enough to make those kinds of verdicts.
Agree, so I didn't.
Remember we are basically people in Cyberspace. Actually I am a fighter and fiercely loyal, to causes I believe in.
Sure.
How many others stick around here, specially taking the flak I've taken since I got here.
A bunch of us. Remember you, MHz and others come on dishing out flak to us.

It is not a one way street, by any means.;)
I notice it's usually a post or two then gone if even that.
And of course that is our fault. Right?

No. We get a lot of preacher types on.

Want to say whatever they want and never be questioned.

Had many come on stating they were not here to listen and discuss, but correct and teach.

Yep, they disappear when they are not allowed to do that.
If God chooses physical violence for me to endure, then I shall be ready for that too.
Good to hear. Really.

So many are so shallow, as we all know.
I choose to not be a cult fighter, simply because it is not my area of ministry.
Which is not a problem to me.

What IS the problem is that you have criticized those who are. And made definitive states, as with the Masons, of not being a cult when you actually do not know anything about them to justify that comment.
I believe strongly in church. I attend church. I do church work, including even the dirty jobs when they need doing.
OK and great when a doctrinally healthy church.

I hope you understand many Mormons and JWs make the same claim. Which is meaningless, in regards to spirituality.

My point is not to be critical, but to get at the issue many hold being church busy = Godly.

It can. But in these days it often does not.
I'd be curious to know how many on this site are actually committed members of an assembly of believers. I will pass no judgment because I don't know, but I'll wager that many are "churchhoppers" going to and fro, looking for that perfect church. The excuses are endless. Too hypocritical, too this, too that!
We live in the Apostacy. The too this and the too that churches are dominate.

Would you attend a church that, when you tried to ask a question or discuss a doctrine told you to shut and and just follow?

I hope not.
Jesus is building His church.
If you mean adding the final members, I agree.

If you mean the Church is growing, expanding and healthy, you are way off base.
Decide what side of the fence you're on, and plant your flag.
Sound doctrine. Not compromise at every turn.

Agree on every issue? No!

Desire to grow, truthfully, not desire to find what one wants to see, knowingly or not.

That is a healthy church.
Your worship is every bit as importance as your marriage. In fact you are married to Christ. I am appalled at how lightly people treat it!
Agree.
I do try to help my neighbor as best I can. I love (fortunately, I don't have many enemies) I try to make peace where-ever possible with all men. I even forgive! I don't hold grudges. I apologize when I think I've done some one wrong! If you are interested. That is the real kay-gee. How do you like me now?
all the best............
With the qualifier of not peace over sound doctrine, I agree.

[kay-gee]

Agree. I am capable of having peace with people I don't agree with though. Even Jesus didn't agree with many, but would never wish ill towards them. In fact sometimes performed acts of healing on them. There are very few people on this planet that you are going to agree on every thing with. That's a fact!........all the best.........

[CoreIssue]

Agree. I am capable of having peace with people I don't agree with though. Even Jesus didn't agree with many, but would never wish ill towards them. In fact sometimes performed acts of healing on them. There are very few people on this planet that you are going to agree on every thing with. That's a fact!........all the best.........
Or course we should seek peace even with those with disagree with.

I don't like conflict with anyone. No, discussion and disagreement here is not conflict to me. It is discussion.

Yes, Jesus didn't wish ill, with the reservation that one day he would send them to the Lake if they didn't change.

Justice delayed is still justice coming. ;)

[kay-gee]

Agree