Muslim Congressman Ellison is Anti-US

[Sid]

Keith Ellison, D-MN, is not a ‘patriot,’ though he claims to be. He is a radical Muslim who believes the Koran is above all other documents for it is the divine revelation. That would make the Koran above the United States Constitution.

He believes in the sharia "legal and justice system" which has barbarism as its base. Study Muslim nations to open the eyes to the atrocities carried out via sharia — females hung from roadway poles, females piled into earth mounds to have their heads bashed in, youths strapped to public posts for lashings and so forth and so forth.

Yet he has been elected to the United States Congress for the purpose of making laws for Americans. Yet he is antithetical to American values, particularly the Judeo-Christian heritage.

His personal involvement in radical Islamic activities and philosophies should frighten every American into watching very closely this newly elected member of Congress. If such a trend continues, America will unravel as a democracy.

Holding to the Koran as the law of life and the sharia as the legal base of any society is to be bound to a cultic philosophy that has no resemblance to personal freedoms. It is the legalistic Islamic lifestyle popular in Muslim countries.



Muslim Congressman Ellison is Anti-US (http://www.theconservativevoice.com/articles/article.html?id=20887)

[Jessie]

I would think this would be during the trib, no sure though,
because of the letter to the laodician church,

they cant have full control for the laodicia church to still be at it.

but they have to be the ones instramental in chopping off peoples heads.

[Sid]

they cant have full control for the laodicia church to still be at it.




I believe the Laodicean church is among us now . . .

BUT after the rapture removes the [few] true Christians, it will become an effective counterweight to the 'Ho of Babylon.

. . . divide and conquer.

[Sid]

Rep. Virgil H. Goode Jr. (R-Va.) is coming under sharp criticism for lashing out against the decision by Keith Ellison (D-Minn.), who will become the first Muslim member of Congress next month, to use the Koran during a swearing-in ceremony.

In a recent letter to constituents, Goode, a five-term congressman from Rocky Mount, wrote that he does "not subscribe to using the Koran in any way" and added: "The Muslim Representative from Minnesota was elected by the voters of that district and if American citizens don't wake up and adopt the Virgil Goode position on immigration, there will likely be many more Muslims elected to office and demanding the use of the Koran."

"We need to stop illegal immigration totally and reduce legal immigration and end the diversity visas policy . . . allowing many persons from the Middle East to come to this country," Goode said in the letter. "I fear that in the next century we will have many more Muslims in the United States if we do not adopt the strict immigration policies that I believe are necessary to preserve the values and beliefs traditional to the United States of America."



Va. Lawmaker's Remarks on Muslims Criticized (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/20/AR2006122001318.html)

[CoreIssue]

Islam shares nothing with the traditional values of the US. What a terrible joke to elect and Islamic.

[Sid]

Islam shares nothing with the traditional values of the US. What a terrible joke to elect and Islamic.


CI:


I believe that there is a growing enclave of Muslims around Minneapolis and Ellison rode the Democratic tidal wave into office.

He soft-pedaled his religion, but the Muslims block voted for him.

. . . minarets and Muslim prayer calls by loudspeaker 5X a day coming to a city near you.

[CoreIssue]

The put two Mosques with 15 miles of me.

Neither look like a Mosque.

One is Sunni, I believe, and the other is Ismali.

[He's Real]

they cant have full control for the laodicia church to still be at it.




I believe the Laodicean church is among us now . . .

BUT after the rapture removes the [few] true Christians,........

Sid, No disrespect. I'd like to hear how other folks define "true Christians". I'd also be curious to hear everyone's thoughts as to what percentage of the Christian Church they believe to be actually born again.

Merry Christmas Folks!!!!

[CoreIssue]

Sid, No disrespect. I'd like to hear how other folks define "true Christians".
A true Christian is one who believes Christ is the Biblical God incarnate, died on the cross to pay for their sins, have repented by total faith in Christ to pay for their sins and forgive by pure grace and understand no one can be saved any other way.

In other words, he gave it all for them and they can do nothing but accept salvation under his terms.
I'd also be curious to hear everyone's thoughts as to what percentage of the Christian Church they believe to be actually born again.
Been a few years, but some of us did a bunch of research on who believes what within 'Christianity.'

Bottom line only about 10% of the groups out there actually abided by the above formula for true Christians. And of them probably less than half their membership actually were born-again.

So, probably about 5%.

Now, before that freaks you out, remember cults like LDS, JWs and a bunch of others fall under the secular definition of Christian.

And many of the mainstream churches, such as RCC and others scoff at the concept of born-again and sin nature.

It is pretty depressing when you get into the nitty gritty of it all.

[He's Real]

A true Christian is one who believes Christ is the Biblical God incarnate, died on the cross to pay for their sins, have repented by total faith in Christ to pay for their sins and forgive by pure grace and understand no one can be saved any other way.

In other words, he gave it all for them and they can do nothing but accept salvation under his terms.


Ok....Can't disagree with that. So I interpret that to say that we each remain sinners though we are born again. That even though we are His we still stray and that it is truly by his mercy and grace that we are saved. It is by his gift of salvation that we live abudantly and assuredly that we will spend eternity with Christ Jesus. And though the devil may tempt us and we cave into the sin temptations that are instilled in us no one or nothing can rob us from His loving arms. If it's not by anything we do (other than accepting Jesus into our lives and placing our trust in Him) then what a gift we do indeed celebrate on Christmas day.

Is that what you mean by His terms?



Bottom line only about 10% of the groups out there actually abided by the above formula for true Christians. And of them probably less than half their membership actually were born-again.

So, probably about 5%.

Now, before that freaks you out, remember cults like LDS, JWs and a bunch of others fall under the secular definition of Christian.

And many of the mainstream churches, such as RCC and others scoff at the concept of born-again and sin nature.

It is pretty depressing when you get into the nitty gritty of it all.


I hope you're wrong about the 5%. I think 25% of the churches subscribe to the concept of being born-again. I'd like to think that 15% of our population is truly saved. I hope I'm wrong again and that number is higher. I understand your stance that even the RCC, Mormans, and JWs along with a plethera of others have watered down the term Christianity. Watered down is way to generous when lumping in the cults. Our hope is there are many more than we can imagine who are apart of God's Kingdom. Although it is definitely difficult to find evidence of this in our communities today. Hmmmm....that from just one guy's opinion.

[CoreIssue]

A true Christian is one who believes Christ is the Biblical God incarnate, died on the cross to pay for their sins, have repented by total faith in Christ to pay for their sins and forgive by pure grace and understand no one can be saved any other way.

In other words, he gave it all for them and they can do nothing but accept salvation under his terms.


Ok....Can't disagree with that. So I interpret that to say that we each remain sinners though we are born again. That even though we are His we still stray and that it is truly by his mercy and grace that we are saved. It is by his gift of salvation that we live abudantly and assuredly that we will spend eternity with Christ Jesus. And though the devil may tempt us and we cave into the sin temptations that are instilled in us no one or nothing can rob us from His loving arms. If it's not by anything we do (other than accepting Jesus into our lives and placing our trust in Him) then what a gift we do indeed celebrate on Christmas day.

Is that what you mean by His terms?
Yes. With one slight tweak to what you said.

We do not remain sinners in the spirit, but in the flesh, which gives way to sin in the mind.

Thus what is meant by the war of the old and new natures, being spirit against flesh played out in the mind.

(Bottom line only about 10% of the groups out there actually abided by the above formula for true Christians. And of them probably less than half their membership actually were born-again.

So, probably about 5%.

Now, before that freaks you out, remember cults like LDS, JWs and a bunch of others fall under the secular definition of Christian.

And many of the mainstream churches, such as RCC and others scoff at the concept of born-again and sin nature.

It is pretty depressing when you get into the nitty gritty of it all.


I hope you're wrong about the 5%. I think 25% of the churches subscribe to the concept of being born-again. I'd like to think that 15% of our population is truly saved. I hope I'm wrong again and that number is higher. I understand your stance that even the RCC, Mormans, and JWs along with a plethera of others have watered down the term Christianity. Watered down is way to generous when lumping in the cults. Our hope is there are many more than we can imagine who are apart of God's Kingdom. Although it is definitely difficult to find evidence of this in our communities today. Hmmmm....that from just one guy's opinion.
You don't have to dig deep. Just pull up a list of what is called 'Christian' and start Xing off the cults and subtracting their projected numbers.

Then take out all of them that believe in salvation by works. Massive deduction there, beginning with the so-called largest denomination right off the bat.

The start taking out those with perverse doctrines that have many throwing away the Biblical Christ and so forth, beginning with WoF.

You will be shocked.

[He's Real]

We do not remain sinners in the spirit, but in the flesh, which gives way to sin in the mind.

And the desires of the flesh are powerful. And that battle is still fought though the war is won and our foe is defeated. Knowing that is an assurance we have...... but the temptations are still frustrating and sin stills rages it's battles on my flesh.

You will be shocked.

Actually I'm not shocked. As a believer in the literal interpretation of the bible I'm amazed at the actions of the Christian community. Taking out the works groups, the cults and the those that attempt to follow the laws it amazes me some of the things I see and hear among those that claim to be born again. But then again sometimes it amazes me as to some of the things I say and do as a believer. As I continue to miss the mark I'm going to trust Jesus daily as I am truly a desperate man. Desperate and recognizing it is only by what He has done for me that I am made a new. I think a huge problem in the church today is that we've forgotten how desperate we really are for God. I need Thee every hour.......

[CoreIssue]

I so agree with what you said. :tiphat:

That is why one must remain focused on the core issues of what the Bible says.

That is why I focused on what the Bible says is needed to be born-again.

So many look and sound good, but the Bible is nothing more than a life philosophy to them. They are not born-again.

Others believe in Christ but are not born of Christ.

The numbers are small and the time of the Rapture is near. The 7th church spit out into the Trib will be huge.

[Vladd44]

He is a radical Muslim who believes the Koran is above all other documents for it is the divine revelation. That would make the Koran above the United States Constitution.Are you trying to imply the US Constitution should come before the bible for christian lawmakers? Or do they have a responsibility as a christian to follow the bible first?

In a recent letter to constituents, Goode, ... wrote that he does "not subscribe to using the Koran in any way" and added: "The Muslim Representative from Minnesota was elected by the voters of that district and if American citizens don't wake up and adopt the Virgil Goode position on immigration, there will likely be many more Muslims elected to office and demanding the use of the Koran."

"We need to stop illegal immigration totally and reduce legal immigration and end the diversity visas policy . . . allowing many persons from the Middle East to come to this country," Goode said in the letter. "I fear that in the next century we will have many more Muslims in the United States if we do not adopt the strict immigration policies that I believe are necessary to preserve the values and beliefs traditional to the United States of America."

Since Ellison can trace his family's history in american back to 1742 exactly what sort of immigration bill would have stopped that? If I had to guess his ancestors came to the country to "work" for a christian.

But then again when has Goode let reality get in the way of his racism?

As absurd as I find the Qur'an, I hardly think believing it should disqualify someone from office. Last I checked most of our public officials gave credence (or at least lip service) to the bible of which I personally find no more believable than the qur'an. I am stuck choosing between bible believers all the time, why not a muslim?

[CTZonEdit]

Last I checked most of our public officials gave credence (or at least lip service) to the bible of which I personally find no more believable than the qur'an. I am stuck choosing between bible believers all the time, why not a muslim?

Do some research on the history and origins of Islam and you'd probably feel different.

[Vladd44]

Thanks for the assumption that I know nothing of the islamic set of fairy tales.

But I fail to see why it is relevant to the question?

Should christians defer to the constitution and our legal system over the bible? If so then abortion is ok? and in states where sodomy or civil unions are legal it is ok as well?

[Sid]

Should christians defer to the constitution and our legal system over the bible? If so then abortion is ok? and in states where sodomy or civil unions are legal it is ok as well?


There are things that might be legal but are still morally wrong.

Abortion and gay marriage are two examples.

[CoreIssue]

Thanks for the assumption that I know nothing of the islamic set of fairy tales.

But I fail to see why it is relevant to the question?

Should christians defer to the constitution and our legal system over the bible? If so then abortion is ok? and in states where sodomy or civil unions are legal it is ok as well?
No. They should not defer.

But, to not be authors of chaos, they must abide by it until they can change it.

That does not mean they should do anything to violate the Bible. No.

The Constitution actually doesn't have anything any it that is anti-Bible. But the liberals distortions of it do.