keny
11-22-2006, 04:45 AM
Wheat and Chaff
A kernel or seed of wheat, as all seeds are, is an evolutionary device that has the finished product already determined within it. The result is pre determined before the process is even started. During the "coming out" or resurrecting in the earth of the wheat to be a plant that has more seeds in it just like the seed if grew from, the weeds and so on need to be kept from preventing the wheat from coming forth. And the wheat that will be, needs certain nourishment along the way to keep it in existence in the earth and to continue growing toward the final result.
This is a picture of how God has dealt with mankind. His fruit as man, evolves or grows over many, many eons. Evolution is the method God uses in the world. It s a preordained evolution toward a known result. Anything that grows and "changes" over time is evolving, no matter what "terminology" someone else, including the church, may like to use. Evolution is "change through growth and time". In “eternity”, LIVING things do not change being, what is called “eternal”.
We want to understand that man includes every one who has ever lived from the very beginning of man until now. We are all of one body and one flesh. Man has been "growing up" and being given knowledge and ability in and over his physical environment, by God, for many, many eons. We are now approaching the time of maturity when the seed that was planted "in the earth" is going to produce MORE SEED of itself. This flower that has seed of itself, appears on the stalk {mankind} that grew out of the first seed.
The first seed is life unto eternal life, which in the creation is Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ in maturity in a flesh and blood body is the nature of God in man while still in the creation. We all have to come to this phase of maturity before we go on to Spiritual permanent existence. This is just like the kernels of wheat appear and remain on the stalk they grew on for a time before they separate from the stalk by falling off or by being harvested.
What is really planted is the breath or life of god in man, the dust God “prepares” to bring forth good fruit.
Man plants wheat in the ground from a seed and it grows. If one is not a "gardener" they would see nothing at first, not even knowing something is coming forth as the seed begins and continues to grow out of physical sight under ground.
Then after a while, there comes forth little shoots and eventually a taller leaved stalk. The non, or novice gardener would not know what it is that was coming forth. They would just know there is something peeking out of the ground beginning to become above the ground. They would not know what the end result of the stalk would be, and would not know what the product coming forth would be or be like.
Religious man is like this in regard to “knowing” what Jesus Christ is like, even though they see through a “glass darkly”, but think they see clearly.
This is what Christianity has been like all through history concerning their faith and God. Christians have not known what God was doing, how God was doing it, and what "they" as the product of God would be like when fully "grown”. This happens because while the stalk that will become chaff is all that is appearing to them, they have the mind and knowledge only of that which becomes spiritual chaff after harvest.
As we know, first John says something like this when he says that they do not know what they will be like, but when He, Christ, appears they will see Christ as He is because we will be like HIM. {the seed of God}.
When the likeness of the kernels of wheat that were planted in the first place to bring forth those kernels that now begin to appear on the stalk of wheat in the natural world, a person can only then really begin to be able to name what the product is going to be and call them kernels of wheat.
But the non Gardener, or the gardeners that were not very well steeped in gardening yet, would not be able to tell what the process of the whole new kernels of wheat would be, and they would not know what was INSIDE the outer kernels.
What is just said above, is basically what is said by Jesus in the parable about the wheat and the tares.
Mat 13:27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
Mat 13:28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
Mat 13:29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
Mat 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
In fact, the kernels of wheat that begin to appear on the stalk of the wheat are exact replicas of that which was planted in the beginning, and they can do everything the first kernel of wheat they came from could do. Ie.. bring forth the whole process again.
We as the mature Christ of God in the world will know all about the process of creation from the beginning to the final result. That work is going to repeat itself over and over again in the creation. Of the “increase” of His Kingdom there will be no end.
When the kernels of wheat appear on the stalk, the “kernels” are what is harvested, and the stalk itself that was necessary to remain in existence until the kernels of wheat appeared ON THE STALK, now becomes chaff and food for "animals". This is the process of wheat that is grown by man. But with God, all is harvested, even the body, being made alive eternally as the body of God as His son.
This is what we are actually finding out spiritually about all the history of man and the words and preaching of man in the past, and the law, and so on. They are becoming as chaff because the kernels of wheat {maturity of Christ in us today} understand all those things more perfectly. We can understand it more perfectly because we are able to understand the whole process of God as God gives it to us today as we become matured wheat. {Unto a “perfect” man bodily, as Ephesians 4 prophecies}
In the natural, the physical wheat needs a real soaking of water to quickly mature it. If it does not receive enough water, it can become dry and stunted. We are receiving the spiritual parallel of this picture of growth to maturity through “much water” today. But unfortunately, much of us as wheat think we are a finished product when we still need more maturing. Unfortunately but truthfully, this is quite natural.
Pretty well every human teenager in the world thinks they are grown up and know everything about sex and the world and so on, long before they really do, don't they?
Thank you for allowing me to share this with you and anyone else who may read it. That which becomes chaff WAS necessary for the kernel to come forth, and that which now becomes chaff or hay in the field in the natural planting of wheat HAD TO BE, come forth, and exist. That which will become chaff was all that was apparent to religions and Christians for a long, long time in the growth or resurrection of the "kernels of wheat" that would come forth through it. A seed planted in the earth “resurrects” itself as many seeds, even in the natural we can understand that today using the word resurrects “ITSELF” instead of the word “produces more of itself”. The planting of a seed in the natural “can” be understood as pre-ordaining a resurrection of the seed in and as a multitude of seeds in it’s maturity. {it’s last days}.
1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
1Pe 1:4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
1Pe 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
This is a parallel of the story of Christ and what God is doing and did do from the beginning. Genesis 2. The “seventh” day is the harvest day, actually. That is the day, like today in the world, that God actually SANCTIFIES all his work. It is not sanctified on the sixth day, spiritually speaking.
In the natural when man plants wheat, that which will become chaff was necessary before and so the kernels of much wheat could come forth ON the chaff. So it is with man. As Jesus said about all these ungodly things that come forth, {of the chaff or carnal man}, they MUST BE. But woe to that which the seed comes forth on.
Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mar 8:31 And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.
Mar 9:12 And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought.
“Elias”, or the spirit of God in the prophets but still under the mind and ways of the chaff {carnal nature and mind}, is part of the process. That spiritual position must pass as well. This is what John the Baptist meant when he finally “saw” the Lamb of God and said, I {his spiritual position in the world} must decrease and Christ MUST INCREASE. Paul tells us in 2Cor. 3 that it is the letter that kills or speaks about physical death and destruction that must be taught no more as being of the spirit of life. He does not say it in the words I used, specifically, but we as wheat need to know that that is what is meant. God never ever afflicts or kills or harms anyone. Those works are of the “chaff” only.
Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Mar 14:21 The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had never been born.
This “man” that has had his time in the earth and was in vogue, passing “himself” off even as a disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ, is really the carnal nature and mind IN ALL BELIEVERS through history. Those things are going to be swallowed up in victory as the nature and mind of God appear in man to become the only nature and mind in the spirit of man. The Spirit of man must and will become the HOLY SPIRIT and over time God will become all in all as scripture records it will be.
We want to really understand that LIFE destroys death, and when “that man” of sin is being afflicted it is a spiritual battle and the life and ways of God are being established IN those who once were ruled by the “carnal man”, or the first Adam nature and ways and intellect.
For our maturity in the world as the mature sons of God, we need to know all about the “earthy”, and we can not come this way again to relearn it.
Praise God. Thank you and God bless all.
keny
A kernel or seed of wheat, as all seeds are, is an evolutionary device that has the finished product already determined within it. The result is pre determined before the process is even started. During the "coming out" or resurrecting in the earth of the wheat to be a plant that has more seeds in it just like the seed if grew from, the weeds and so on need to be kept from preventing the wheat from coming forth. And the wheat that will be, needs certain nourishment along the way to keep it in existence in the earth and to continue growing toward the final result.
This is a picture of how God has dealt with mankind. His fruit as man, evolves or grows over many, many eons. Evolution is the method God uses in the world. It s a preordained evolution toward a known result. Anything that grows and "changes" over time is evolving, no matter what "terminology" someone else, including the church, may like to use. Evolution is "change through growth and time". In “eternity”, LIVING things do not change being, what is called “eternal”.
We want to understand that man includes every one who has ever lived from the very beginning of man until now. We are all of one body and one flesh. Man has been "growing up" and being given knowledge and ability in and over his physical environment, by God, for many, many eons. We are now approaching the time of maturity when the seed that was planted "in the earth" is going to produce MORE SEED of itself. This flower that has seed of itself, appears on the stalk {mankind} that grew out of the first seed.
The first seed is life unto eternal life, which in the creation is Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ in maturity in a flesh and blood body is the nature of God in man while still in the creation. We all have to come to this phase of maturity before we go on to Spiritual permanent existence. This is just like the kernels of wheat appear and remain on the stalk they grew on for a time before they separate from the stalk by falling off or by being harvested.
What is really planted is the breath or life of god in man, the dust God “prepares” to bring forth good fruit.
Man plants wheat in the ground from a seed and it grows. If one is not a "gardener" they would see nothing at first, not even knowing something is coming forth as the seed begins and continues to grow out of physical sight under ground.
Then after a while, there comes forth little shoots and eventually a taller leaved stalk. The non, or novice gardener would not know what it is that was coming forth. They would just know there is something peeking out of the ground beginning to become above the ground. They would not know what the end result of the stalk would be, and would not know what the product coming forth would be or be like.
Religious man is like this in regard to “knowing” what Jesus Christ is like, even though they see through a “glass darkly”, but think they see clearly.
This is what Christianity has been like all through history concerning their faith and God. Christians have not known what God was doing, how God was doing it, and what "they" as the product of God would be like when fully "grown”. This happens because while the stalk that will become chaff is all that is appearing to them, they have the mind and knowledge only of that which becomes spiritual chaff after harvest.
As we know, first John says something like this when he says that they do not know what they will be like, but when He, Christ, appears they will see Christ as He is because we will be like HIM. {the seed of God}.
When the likeness of the kernels of wheat that were planted in the first place to bring forth those kernels that now begin to appear on the stalk of wheat in the natural world, a person can only then really begin to be able to name what the product is going to be and call them kernels of wheat.
But the non Gardener, or the gardeners that were not very well steeped in gardening yet, would not be able to tell what the process of the whole new kernels of wheat would be, and they would not know what was INSIDE the outer kernels.
What is just said above, is basically what is said by Jesus in the parable about the wheat and the tares.
Mat 13:27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
Mat 13:28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
Mat 13:29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
Mat 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
In fact, the kernels of wheat that begin to appear on the stalk of the wheat are exact replicas of that which was planted in the beginning, and they can do everything the first kernel of wheat they came from could do. Ie.. bring forth the whole process again.
We as the mature Christ of God in the world will know all about the process of creation from the beginning to the final result. That work is going to repeat itself over and over again in the creation. Of the “increase” of His Kingdom there will be no end.
When the kernels of wheat appear on the stalk, the “kernels” are what is harvested, and the stalk itself that was necessary to remain in existence until the kernels of wheat appeared ON THE STALK, now becomes chaff and food for "animals". This is the process of wheat that is grown by man. But with God, all is harvested, even the body, being made alive eternally as the body of God as His son.
This is what we are actually finding out spiritually about all the history of man and the words and preaching of man in the past, and the law, and so on. They are becoming as chaff because the kernels of wheat {maturity of Christ in us today} understand all those things more perfectly. We can understand it more perfectly because we are able to understand the whole process of God as God gives it to us today as we become matured wheat. {Unto a “perfect” man bodily, as Ephesians 4 prophecies}
In the natural, the physical wheat needs a real soaking of water to quickly mature it. If it does not receive enough water, it can become dry and stunted. We are receiving the spiritual parallel of this picture of growth to maturity through “much water” today. But unfortunately, much of us as wheat think we are a finished product when we still need more maturing. Unfortunately but truthfully, this is quite natural.
Pretty well every human teenager in the world thinks they are grown up and know everything about sex and the world and so on, long before they really do, don't they?
Thank you for allowing me to share this with you and anyone else who may read it. That which becomes chaff WAS necessary for the kernel to come forth, and that which now becomes chaff or hay in the field in the natural planting of wheat HAD TO BE, come forth, and exist. That which will become chaff was all that was apparent to religions and Christians for a long, long time in the growth or resurrection of the "kernels of wheat" that would come forth through it. A seed planted in the earth “resurrects” itself as many seeds, even in the natural we can understand that today using the word resurrects “ITSELF” instead of the word “produces more of itself”. The planting of a seed in the natural “can” be understood as pre-ordaining a resurrection of the seed in and as a multitude of seeds in it’s maturity. {it’s last days}.
1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
1Pe 1:4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
1Pe 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
This is a parallel of the story of Christ and what God is doing and did do from the beginning. Genesis 2. The “seventh” day is the harvest day, actually. That is the day, like today in the world, that God actually SANCTIFIES all his work. It is not sanctified on the sixth day, spiritually speaking.
In the natural when man plants wheat, that which will become chaff was necessary before and so the kernels of much wheat could come forth ON the chaff. So it is with man. As Jesus said about all these ungodly things that come forth, {of the chaff or carnal man}, they MUST BE. But woe to that which the seed comes forth on.
Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mar 8:31 And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.
Mar 9:12 And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought.
“Elias”, or the spirit of God in the prophets but still under the mind and ways of the chaff {carnal nature and mind}, is part of the process. That spiritual position must pass as well. This is what John the Baptist meant when he finally “saw” the Lamb of God and said, I {his spiritual position in the world} must decrease and Christ MUST INCREASE. Paul tells us in 2Cor. 3 that it is the letter that kills or speaks about physical death and destruction that must be taught no more as being of the spirit of life. He does not say it in the words I used, specifically, but we as wheat need to know that that is what is meant. God never ever afflicts or kills or harms anyone. Those works are of the “chaff” only.
Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Mar 14:21 The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had never been born.
This “man” that has had his time in the earth and was in vogue, passing “himself” off even as a disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ, is really the carnal nature and mind IN ALL BELIEVERS through history. Those things are going to be swallowed up in victory as the nature and mind of God appear in man to become the only nature and mind in the spirit of man. The Spirit of man must and will become the HOLY SPIRIT and over time God will become all in all as scripture records it will be.
We want to really understand that LIFE destroys death, and when “that man” of sin is being afflicted it is a spiritual battle and the life and ways of God are being established IN those who once were ruled by the “carnal man”, or the first Adam nature and ways and intellect.
For our maturity in the world as the mature sons of God, we need to know all about the “earthy”, and we can not come this way again to relearn it.
Praise God. Thank you and God bless all.
keny