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[keny]

Hello Core.

Here are the definitions of the words evolve, and evolution. From the dictionaries on line.

Quick definitions (evolve)

verb: undergo development or evolution (Example: "Modern man evolved a long time ago")
verb: work out
verb: gain through experience
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evolve
Part of Speech:
verb
Definition:
progress
Synonyms:
advance (http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/advance), derive (http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/derive), disclose (http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/disclose), educe (http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/educe), elaborate (http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/elaborate), emerge (http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/emerge), enlarge (http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/enlarge), excogitate (http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/excogitate), expand (http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/expand), get (http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/get), grow (http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/grow), increase (http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/increase), mature (http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/mature), obtain (http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/obtain), open (http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/open), result (http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/result), ripen (http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/ripen), unfold (http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/unfold), work out (http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/work%20out)



evolution

1. An unrolling.
2. A process (http://cancerweb.ncl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/omd?process) of development (http://cancerweb.ncl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/omd?development) in which an organ (http://cancerweb.ncl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/omd?organ) or organism (http://cancerweb.ncl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/omd?organism) becomes (http://cancerweb.ncl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/omd?becomes) more and more complex (http://cancerweb.ncl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/omd?complex) by the differentiation (http://cancerweb.ncl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/omd?differentiation) of its parts (http://cancerweb.ncl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/omd?parts), a continuous (http://cancerweb.ncl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/omd?continuous) and progressive (http://cancerweb.ncl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/omd?progressive) change (http://cancerweb.ncl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/omd?change) according to certain laws (http://cancerweb.ncl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/omd?laws) and by means (http://cancerweb.ncl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/omd?means) of resident (http://cancerweb.ncl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/omd?resident) forces (http://cancerweb.ncl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/omd?forces).
Origin: L. Evolutio
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ev‧o‧lu‧tion  /ˌɛv əˈlu ʃən or, especially Brit., ˌi və-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ev-uh-loo-shuh n or, especially Brit., ee-vuh-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

–noun

1.
any process of formation or growth; development: the evolution of a language; the evolution of the airplane.



2.
a product of such development; something evolved: The exploration of space is the evolution of decades of research.



3.
Biology. change in the gene pool of a population from generation to generation by such processes as mutation, natural selection, and genetic drift.



4.
a process of gradual, peaceful, progressive change or development, as in social or economic structure or institutions.



5.
a motion incomplete in itself, but combining with coordinated motions to produce a single action, as in a machine.



6.
a pattern formed by or as if by a series of movements: the evolutions of a figure skater.



7.
an evolving or giving off of gas, heat, etc.



8.
Mathematics. the extraction of a root from a quantity. Compare involution (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=involution) (def. 8).



9.
a movement or one of a series of movements of troops, ships, etc., as for disposition in order of battle or in line on parade.



10.
any similar movement, esp. in close order drill.


[Origin: 1615–25; < L ēvolūtiōn- (s. of ēvolūtiō) an unrolling, opening, equiv. to ēvolūt(us) (see evolute (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=evolute)) + -iōn- -ion (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=-ion)]

—Related forms
ev‧o‧lu‧tion‧al, adjective
ev‧o‧lu‧tion‧al‧ly, adverb

—Synonyms 1. unfolding, change, progression, metamorphosis.
—Antonyms 1. stasis, inactivity, changelessness.

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n.

A gradual process in which something changes into a different and usually more complex or better form. See Synonyms at development (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=development).

The process of developing.
Gradual development.
Biology.
Change in the genetic composition of a population during successive generations, as a result of natural selection acting on the genetic variation among individuals, and resulting in the development of new species.
The historical development of a related group of organisms; phylogeny.
A movement that is part of a set of ordered movements.
Mathematics. The extraction of a root of a quantity.

[Latin vol ti , vol ti n-, from vol tus, past participle of volvere, to unroll. See evolve.]

ev o·lu tion·al or ev o·lu tion·ar y (-sh -n r ) adj.
ev o·lu tion·ar i·ly adv.


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ev·o·lu·tion ( v -l sh n, v -)
n.


A continuing process of change from one state or condition to another or from one form to another.
The theory that groups of organisms change with passage of time, mainly as a result of natural selection, so that descendants differ morphologically and physiologically from their ancestors.
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Main Entry: evo·lu·tion
Pronunciation: "ev-&-'lü-sh&n also "E-v&-
Function: noun
1 : a process of change in a certain direction <there has been much discussion as to … the possible evolution of benign adenomas into invasive carcinoma —Journal of the American Medical Association>
2 a : the historical development of a biological group (as a race or species) : PHYLOGENY (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?db=mwmed&q=phylogeny) b : a theory that the various types of animals and plants have their origin in other preexisting types and that the distinguishable differences are due to modifications in successive generations —evo·lu·tion·ari·ly /-sh&-"ner-&-lE/ adverb —evo·lu·tion·ary /-sh&-"ner-E/ adjective

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Evolution
n 1: a process in which something passes by degrees to a different stage (especially a more advanced or mature stage); "the development of his ideas took many years"; "the evolution of Greek civilization"; "the slow development of her skill as a writer" [syn: development (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=development)] [ant: degeneration (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=degeneration)] 2: (biology) the sequence of events involved in the evolutionary development of a species or taxonomic group of organisms [syn: phylogeny (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=phylogeny), phylogenesis (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=phylogenesis)]

Thanks you for the discussion.
and Love in Christ to you and all.
keny

[CoreIssue]

Biology.

Change in the genetic composition of a population during successive generations, as a result of natural selection acting on the genetic variation among individuals, and resulting in the development of new species.
There you go. That applies to the discussion.

[keny]

Hello Core. What now. Do I go to another dictionary and get a reply that refutes the LIMITATIONS you have put on the word, and then you go to one and try to prove otherwise, and on and on and on. It is worthless and red herring pursuit, just as I said it was.

People who think they can "prove" something by word definitions, to someone who already has a beleif about scripture that differs, will never accept those kind of "proofs" anyway. One can find whatever they want to find, Core. I really hope you can find it in yourself to understand this about "man". I realize you are very sincere, and also that you feel you are very right.

Use that personal viewpoing and the understanding of how you feel about "the words", to understand other people you are going to talk to over time, and why they will or will not agree with you in regard to "words". It is a matter of FAITH, and what one believes about what God is LIKE. After a certain point, word definition discussions go no where, and as you should also know yourself, you can tell no one anything unless THEY are looking for you to do so. Think about it. Jesus could not tell Israel, who were very diligent and sincere scripture and law believers, anything that they would even begin to consider. Why?

Because Jesus' witness of what God was like was not what they WANTED to hear or expected to hear either.

2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.


2Ti 2:11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
2Ti 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
2Ti 2:13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
2Ti 2:14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

As I said before, if we just do what Jesus asked disciples to do, we will know the truth.

God bless, keny

[CoreIssue]

No. You use the definition that applies to biology.

No, I never said I can prove anything to you. But others will read and see that the problems with someone who believe they have the meanings given to them by their s-called special revelation from the Holy Spirit.

Meaning, you have no way to prove anything to anyone and are refusing to see that simple fact.

Notice in the verses you gave do not say wait for revelation and thn pass it on. It says STUDY to show yourself correct.

Bible says nothing revealed by God is of the private interpretation of the prophet. Yet, here you are denying their literal words in favor of your self deemed private revelation of meaning from the Holy Spirit.

But, of course, those verses do not have literal meanings either. Or word definitions.

So, if you are so sure one's thinking cannot be changed by literal word meaning why are you even bothering here? As in trying to change my mind or preach to other readers.

Won't work. They see your foundationless declarations compared to literal word meanings and grammatically read verses. You loose in that.

I will wait for you to offer something other than personal opinion. Then I will have something concrete to actually respond to.

[CoreIssue]

Lucky or Lady, if you want to take him on go for it. I am getting tired of repeating that no evidence has been offered.

[keny]

Hello Core.

Jo 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.


So, the lust of the flesh is NOT OF THE FATHER. Also, things we can do because we are alive, like sticking a finger in the air and saying one is "number one", is not of the Father either. {pride of life, being able to do something because one is alive, period}


If something is not of the father, IT must do works of "sin", meaning, things that God does not do.

But, those lusts have a purpose. And they are what become a serpent in the way and cause us to turn backwards many times. Also, men in faithfulness but in error, have attributed many things that are of the lusts of the flesh in them, to God, as if God did the same kinds of things the lusts do. This is natural, as men can not differentiate in themselves about what is God like and what is not like God in them.

The lusts of the flesh and the mind of those lusts are what sow the TARES that God did not sow.

For instance, James tells us that the lusts that war in our members is what causes us to fight and wage man's wars and so on. They are NOT OF GOD. But, they are the "law", more definitively, the curse of the law.


1Jo 2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.


If the lust that is of the world, {the lusts of the flesh are the "law" or principle of sin in the creation} passes away, but that which does the will of God remains forever, then we can understand that the lusts that are "of the world" are not of God's Spirit. They pertain to the man of sin.

If the lusts of the flesh cause us to do things that the bible calls sin, then those lusts are "of the devil". We know scripture tells us that who {what} ever commits SIN is of the devil.


1Jo 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.

1Jo 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it {the spirit} hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.


It seems pretty clear here, Core. What THE anointing or SPIRIT has taught us is what will be the truth and we will not need ANY man to teach us. We are to remain or live {abide} IN WHAT HE TEACHES us.


Isa 10:20 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of
Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, in truth.


Yes, there is to be a day, {I say it is now} that we are and will NO LONGER believe that God smites us or anyone, and we will begin to then believe on the Holy One of Israel, IN TRUTH. {finally}.


Isa 10:27 And it shall come to pass in that day, that his burden shall be taken away from off thy shoulder, and his yoke from off thy neck, and the yoke shall be destroyed because of the anointing.

The Spirit destroys the "yoke" of the Assyrian, or of the natural man that is over us all in the beginning from birth. We are children of wrath, by nature at birth. Ephesians 2:1 - 3.The Assyrian or the yoke of the carnal nature and mind, is destroyed BECAUSE OF THE SPIRIT, not because of the mental understanding of scripture.

The yoke we all have been under, no matter what one says in faith, has been the carnal man of sin.Paul said, I am carnal, SOLD under sin, meaning the carnal is the state of "sin". {immaturity is a better more Godly way to see the word sin. We are children in comparison to God}.

Here is an example of the yoke as well. It is the literal or carnal minded understanding and the "hold" it and the lusts of the world have on us.

1Co 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
1Co 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
1Co 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?


Eze 36:22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.
Eze 36:23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.
Eze 36:24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
Eze 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. {this happens IN the flesh body still}
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and {by that} cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Eze 36:28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
Eze 36:29 I will also save you from all your uncleannesses: and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you.
Eze 36:30 And I will multiply the fruit of the tree, and the increase of the field, that ye shall


I think you will find that this is the type of thing I have been sharing about. God's judgments and ways are to be in us THROUGH the Spirit of God, and we will walk in His ways and DO THEM. This is accomplished as God, the holy Spirit within us, teaches us HIMSELF and that will be what the TRUTH IS.

I have been saying this type of word ever since I entered this forum.

It is done by God in the spirit, WITHIN US. Sanctification of the Spirit.


Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh {becomes} unto me.


Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.


Heb 10:15Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;


I have given these scriptures, or most of them, before, but they were not allowed to be "evidence" or else they were not understood as such.

There is more, but I hope you see that there is much scripture to agree with what I am saying about God teaching us all HIMSELF. Of course, we need to believe that also to receive it.


God bless, keny

[CoreIssue]

Yes, keny, we are noting you reference verses that speak of the Holy Spirit guiding and giving understanding.

But we note, also, you distort the true meaning by dodging all the verses that say read and study to learn and understand.

The Holy Spirit doesn't just drop all understanding on us. There isn't any hidden meanings (I know you gnostics don't believe that) in the Bible that requires heavenly intervening or an self claimed oracle, like you, for the rest of us to 'get.'

The Bible is not of private knowledge that only the prophet can understand. But, of course, that probably isn't the real meaning of the verse to you, either.

There is no cheap way out, keny. The Bible was written in the language of man, by man's definitions and man's rules of grammar. Deliberately done so for man to be able to read and understand.

It seems about the only one here not seeing your errors are you.

[keny]

Yes, keny, we are noting you reference verses that speak of the Holy Spirit guiding and giving understanding.

But we note, also, you distort the true meaning by dodging all the verses that say read and study to learn and understand.

The Holy Spirit doesn't just drop all understanding on us. There isn't any hidden meanings (I know you gnostics don't believe that) in the Bible that requires heavenly intervening or an self claimed oracle, like you, for the rest of us to 'get.'

The Bible is not of private knowledge that only the prophet can understand. But, of course, that probably isn't the real meaning of the verse to you, either.

There is no cheap way out, keny. The Bible was written in the language of man, by man's definitions and man's rules of grammar. Deliberately done so for man to be able to read and understand.

It seems about the only one here not seeing your errors are you.

Hello Core.

Thank you again for your continued conversation. I do hope though, that you will be able to accept that this is "not" about "me". What I am talking about is for us all. The scriptures I gave included the words that said that they need not that ANY man teach them, and that WE ALL will be taught by God, personally.

In that one will not need "any" man to teach them, that includes ME in the "any man" part.

In fact I know first hand and over a long period of time, that speaking words are almost useless. The only thing I really my be able to help anyone with is if they are ALREADY beginning to see these things and step out in them in their heart. Even then, all it is is an offering of what I have learned, and they as you, take it or leave it, or examine some of it.

I also said that if "ANY" person, {Which includes me} tells anyone to follow them personally, they are already in error. You see, I "Know" that to be true. No one can walk in some one else's say so, especially when things get tight or what have you. Each person must have "their own" faith, not mine or yours or some commentary by someone who has died years ago, and did not know as much as we are able to be given today.

I have also mentioned the "rightly dividing the scriptures" verse, where it says study to show thyself approved etc. But the bible is not God. Why do you think all the "revelation" scriptures, for instance, are not "literally explained" as to what they are and who what is, and so on. They are all open to imagination, and the Holy Spirit has to give them. But they all must be bordered by the witness and teachings of Jesus Christ. The testimony of Jesus, {turn the other cheek, love our enemies, forgive all men their trespasses against us like we are forgiven ours, and so on} IS the spirit of prophecy.

IF all prophecy does not agree with Jesus' witness of the Father that was and is IN HIM, then the explanation is FALSE.

We read, Core, that God is a "consuming" fire, and we also read in Isaiah 33 for instance, that someone is going to DWELL in that fire, meaning not be consumed.

The part muscle loving men do not see is that love, being felt within one's spirit as thier OWN love, will swallow up and destroy forever, hate, anger, greed, envy, and so on, which are all "spirits" that motivate sin and death in the one they dwell in power in.

These emotions and feelings and thoughts will be able to MINISTER what the "spriit" of sin and death is like to us as we become mature sons. When we are not able to accept or know that and understand it with God, they are our masters, not our "ministers".

If I feel bad toward someone, and DO something evil to them, I have not learned that the evil is evil. I show this by doing it, and by doing it am saying, it is good to do it.

As we begin to come out of that darkness of the rule of the powers "of this world" in us, which are the lusts or law of sin in our members and the mind of it. we may still do some of the "evil" by reflex motion, without thinking or without "planning" it ahead of time. That is when we are in the state Paul mentions in Romans 7. Doing what we do not want to do, and in that condition, we find that there is a law in us warring against the law of the mind of Christ. If we do not feel good or in agreement with those things we may do reflexively but have not been able to overpower yet, then it is now WHO WE ARE any more that does it, but sin that is in us, and still over us to some extent. We are being changed, though.

There is nothing wrong with using the scriptures. I mean, I give verses or mention verses and chapters all the time, don't I? But they are NOT GOD. The scriptures, as you know, are able to be used by anyone who has an agenda, to fit their agenda. I am not saying that the agendas every one has is intentionally evil or bad, many do not even know they are off line a bit. Jesus Christ's testimony is WHO GOD IS. Jesus teachings about what we are to be like and do as "disciples", if one wants to be one, are about what God is like.

Jesus Christ witnesses the HOLY SPIRIT that is IN HIM.

As far as being Gnostic, I had never heard of it at all until some on the forums, like this one, used it to try to put me in their box. I am not Gnostic, do not even know what they said, but I do know that they also did not know what we know today about the world, the human body, sickness and the weather patterns, and so on.

You wrote...There is no cheap way out, keny. The Bible was written in the language of man, by man's definitions and man's rules of grammar. Deliberately done so for man to be able to read and understand.

That is not what Peter says. I am not arguing, I would like you to think. If it is so plain for MAN to understand, then why all the differing ideas about God in the world. As I said before, most of the differences dwell in the ideas of punitive judgments and who will and who will not be recipient of suffering and pain from God. They are all wrong. Suffering comes from actions and motives that are NOT GOD's.

Look at all the revelation seminars and teachings around, they do not even have the right SPIRIT OF TESTIMONY as the LORD of their interpretations. They all sound like Harry Potter movies. They come from the same place, man's imagination.

Again, thank you for sharing.

God bless, keny