The Mix of Religion and Politics is Spiritually Dishonest

[Sid]

There is a Christian worldview that says politics will bring us safety and security in our lives; that politics will be able to make us or keep us as a Christian nation; that politics are the manifestation of 'thy kingdom come thy will be done'

There is another Christian worldview that says politics are not a necessary part of a Christian’s life; that politics cannot do anything for us as Believers; that God will provide us with everything we need so we do not need to do anything.

Both extremes are wrong. Not because they are extremes but just because they both give the believer a false sense of intellectual and emotional safety: the first a safety of involvement and the second a safety of being disengaged. The first removes God from the equation and the second removes us from the equation; both of which are incorrect responses to politics.



The Mix of Religion and Politics is Spiritually Dishonest (http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Mix-of-Religion-and-Politics-is-Spiritually-Dishonest&id=319660)

[CoreIssue]

Also, if the filter is politics for safety, there is the danger that will become the test board for getting one's beliefs right.

We see that a lot in PC thinking. If it is all love and kisses it must be from God.

[Sid]

By law, the 501c3 church may not:

preach 'politically incorrect' sermons

influence legislation

participate in political action

endorse candidates

oppose candidates

publish or distribute political positions

Perhaps this is why the organized church today is silent concerning the actions of antichrist government. Today's 501c3 preachers and presidents are ignorant if they do not know what is happening. Then what are they doing preaching?


The truth is they are hypocrites who say they are Christians.


Many want us to believe we should be happy with Christian president Bush, who performs the same act as they do. This silence and cover-up advances the antichrist global government.



However it is that time when Jesus told us the pulpits would be full of FALSE TEACHERS coming in His Name.




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[CoreIssue]

Nothing in the law says one cannot preach the message of Apostacy and such in our government.

As long as it is about sin and corruption, and not endorsing of those deemed able to fix it.

[Jessie]

its the wicked taking over to get their own way.....

[kay-gee]

Someone please bring me up to speed. What is 501c3?

[Sid]

Someone please bring me up to speed. What is 501c3?


501c3 (http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:n1WV3nBBPgsJ:www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p4220.pdf+501c3+IRS+church&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us) is about tax exempt status for churches and non-profit organizations.

[kay-gee]

I'm surprised to hear that the USA has come to this point. This 501c3 would be bad for two reasons. Churches will begin to conform to meet public sentiment in what it preaches about, In order to keep the fund level up. Those churches that do not will likely suffer in income, not being able to do its benevolent work. There will be much less funds for diaster relief etc. They tried something like that up in Canada with the Salvation Army. Cooler heads realized what a terrible mistake it would be.....All the best.........

[CoreIssue]

I'm surprised to hear that the USA has come to this point. This 501c3 would be bad for two reasons. Churches will begin to conform to meet public sentiment in what it preaches about, In order to keep the fund level up. Those churches that do not will likely suffer in income, not being able to do its benevolent work. There will be much less funds for diaster relief etc. They tried something like that up in Canada with the Salvation Army. Cooler heads realized what a terrible mistake it would be.....All the best.........
Yes.

The Founding Fathers had it right. Religion can impact government. And at that time it was assumed the religion was Christianity. But government cannot impact religion.

[dust]

It's all just a sign of the times we're living in-the democrats or the republicans-both of them ae playing into the hands of satan

[Eutychus]

Please realise that All of life is a spiritual issue. The phrase "You can't legislate morality: is a lie perpetrated on Christians to get us to lay down and not oppose the
secular agenda. Go to the Wallbuilders web site and listen to David Bartons lectures on the Christian heritage of our govt. and you will see were historically a Christian nation and govt. Part of our taking up the cross daily is the job of fighting for the direction of our nation. Most of the daily issues of govt. require the
work of moral people who will keep the govt. on the right path.
Like Martin Luther did on Oct 31 1517 when he nailed the 95 thesis on the door of the church at Wittenburg, we need to be engaged in the public arena, working to
be the salt and light to our culture -

2Co 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

[CoreIssue]

Please realise that All of life is a spiritual issue. The phrase "You can't legislate morality: is a lie perpetrated on Christians to get us to lay down and not oppose the secular agenda.
Have to disagree. You cannot legislate morality.

Yes, you can legalize outward appearances and actions, but you cannot legislate inner beliefs and commitments.

Morality is a personal issue, law is a social conduct issue.

Look at the teachings on the MK. Christ will be on this earth ruling from Jerusalem. There will be strict laws in place. Yet, how does it end? With the world rebelling again under the leadership of Satan and attacking the remaining saints, resulting in the final destruction of this earth and the creation of the eternal earth on which we will live.

So, you can legislate actions but you cannot legislate beliefs and the heart.

Sure, good laws based on morality can influence people to better behavior. But better thinking and beliefs? No.

Nor does the Bible ever teach that you can.
Go to the Wallbuilders web site and listen to David Bartons lectures on the Christian heritage of our govt. and you will see were historically a Christian nation and govt.
Not quite.

We are a Christian nation but there is no such thing as a Christian government, in the Dominionist concept of such.

We were founded on the concept of Christianity fully being able and free to influence and guide government but government never being able to influence and guide Christianity. That leaders should be Christians who are guided by their morals and beliefs.

That is because they were painfully aware of what a nightmare a government controlled by any one denomination turns into.

Denominationalism is neither Biblical or good. Christians working together and free to study, discuss and even debate theology is good.

Part of our taking up the cross daily is the job of fighting for the direction of our nation.
That is done by electing good people of good beliefs. It is not done by churches seeking to direction control government.

Most of the daily issues of govt. require the
work of moral people who will keep the govt. on the right path.
Agree.
Like Martin Luther did on Oct 31 1517 when he nailed the 95 thesis on the door of the church at Wittenburg, we need to be engaged in the public arena, working to
be the salt and light to our culture -
Agree. But not quoting verses at government but by our principles, morals, agendas and so forth. Bible based but not church controlled.
2Co 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity everythought to the obedience of Christ;
Agree as long as it is understood we elect individuals, not denominations.

I say these things because I understand that those into Dominionism do not define these terms as non-Dominionists do. Just seeking clarity. :tiphat:

[Eutychus]

Well - one of the definitions in my dictionary describes morality as the conforming
to the definitions of right and wrong. Legislation is the creation of the laws that define our countries definition of right and wrong. I am not saying that the US was or has ever been a theocracy but it was definately founded on christian presuppositions, and we are not doing our job if we let the enemy convince us that
christian presuppositions have no place in govt.

[CoreIssue]

Well - one of the definitions in my dictionary describes morality as the conforming
to the definitions of right and wrong.
Conforming to does not mean acceptance or belief in definitions. Many in oppressive countries conform while hating their governments.
Legislation is the creation of the laws that define our countries definition of right and wrong.
No. As a judge once told me law is not about right or wrong or enforcing justice. it is about enforcing the standards established to allow a country to function.

China and the USSR have and had laws that set the standards but were never based on issues of right or wrong.
I am not saying that the US was or has ever been a theocracy but it was definately founded on christian presuppositions, and we are not doing our job if we let the enemy convince us that
christian presuppositions have no place in govt.
Agree. But I maintain the distinction between working toward have Godly people in government to influence the direction of a nation and having supposedly Godly people in dictating the direction.

Rome was a fraud in Christian clothing. Total disaster to the Body of Christ. The Founders set the principles I have stated.

Note, God is in the preamble to the Constitution, not in the Constitution as a legal demand.

[rbprophecy]

Politics is about how we live today. Religion is about how we're going to live forever. There should be a connection, don't you think, at least in theory?

[CoreIssue]

Politics is about how we live today. Religion is about how we're going to live forever. There should be a connection, don't you think, at least in theory?
Of course. The connection is not in preaching but in living a life of example.

Those who claim they believe one thing but act another way in office or voting are either lying or self deceived.

I believe in freedom of choice, but at the same time could never apply that to voting for abortion rights.

The idea is recognizing where people have a right to be wrong without you being part of their being wrong.

Not sure if that comes across clear enough.