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Rudy Giuliani remains the most popular presidential contender for Republican Party supporters in the United States, according to a poll by Rasmussen Reports. 24 per cent of respondents would vote for the former New York City mayor in a 2008 primary.
Current U.S. state secretary Condoleezza Rice is second with 18 per cent, followed by Arizona senator John McCain is second with 17 per cent, and Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney with nine per cent.
On Nov. 7, Giuliani commented on the possibility of Democratic California congresswoman Nancy Pelosi becoming speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives, saying, "It clearly means a tremendous amount of pressure coming out of the House then to go back on defence against terrorism. I think it means a real, real, real push for a pre-September 11 mentality. You know, these are people who oppose the extension of the Patriot Act."
Giuliani, Rice Top 2008 Republican Contenders (http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/index.cfm/fuseaction/viewItem/itemID/13751)
Two reasons are commonly cited for backing Rudy Giuliani for President. The first is fighting the war on terror and the second is his ability to defeat Hillary Clinton.
Plenty of candidates can defeat Hillary Clinton without causing the ideological firefight a Giuliani candidacy would bring on the Republican Party, but the issue of the War deserves to be addressed.
Giuliani's view as most capable to prosecute the war hinges on his conduct on 9/11 and immediately afterwards. I've never been a huge fan of Rudy's, but his performance was nothing short of magnificent. His resolve and courage on that day was inspiring. He handled the disaster and it's aftermath with guts, grit, and grace.
Rudy Riding His Moment (http://www.theconservativevoice.com/articles/article.html?id=20282)
Rudy Giuliani evokes his Catholic upbringing as he campaigns for president, yet he refuses to say whether he is a practicing Catholic.
When a voter asked this week if he is a "traditional, practicing Roman Catholic," Giuliani insisted his faith should be private.
"My religious affiliation, my religious practices and the degree to which I am a good or not-so-good Catholic, I prefer to leave to the priests," the former New York mayor responded in Davenport, Iowa.
It would be difficult for him to answer yes. Someone who, like Giuliani, divorces and remarries without getting an annulment from the church cannot receive communion or other church sacraments.
Some of Giuliani's critics, such as conservative blogger Stephen Dillard, believe his marital history is fair game. Dillard started a Catholics Against Rudy (http://www.catholicsagainstrudy.com/) Web site that raises that issue, among several others.
"The way he treated his wife gives us insight into how he views the role of family, how he views marriage, how he views the church's teaching on adultery and divorce," Dillard said.
Religious scholars say that Giuliani's willingness to talk about some, but not all, aspects of his faith is inconsistent.
"If you identify yourself that way in a public forum and then try to shut down any questions, that's not going to work," said the Rev. James Heft, religion professor and president of the Institute for Advanced Catholic Studies at the University of Southern California.
Giuliani evokes Catholic upbringing on campaign trail, yet wants to keep faith private (http://http://ap.theindependent.com/pstories/politics/20070810/190393047.shtml)
a.baker
08-11-2007, 10:01 PM
I personally am not looking forward to having to vote for any of these people in the 2008 election. But it's not like I look forward to what bad decision Bush is going to make next and what he and his administration is going to lie about next. Aren't all politicians liars? Just a comment because it sure does seem like it to me. But who in the world can actually fix the mess Bush has gotten us into? These people represent our country... how embarrassing! No one in our country has pride or support in our country either. They treat it like a big joke but yet always moan about it... how embarrassing! The average person on the street can't even answer simple questions about our country (including me) ; but they can answer questions about peoples personal lives in Hollywood ( NOT including me)... how embarrassing! Maybe they don't want to know whats going on because it is beyond our control and it will anger them and make them very sad to know the whole truth behind these issues ( its not that I don't care, its why I don't want to know). I am nervous with who is going to be our new president and what they are going to do with that. Not what they say now, but what the initial actions of the future will be.
kay-gee
08-11-2007, 11:02 PM
I am betting it's gonna be Hilary Clinton. The time seems right!
all the best...
CoreIssue
08-11-2007, 11:25 PM
A bet to take, since it isn't gambling.
Remember Dean. He was even further ahead than Hilary is, now, and didn't even get picked as the Dems candidate.
a.baker
08-11-2007, 11:59 PM
Oh I hope we don't end up having a woman president!:(:pray: Whats going to happen the first time she makes a decision based on a whim of her emotions rather than being able to do what should be done?( :sob::catfight::aah: the emotions of a woman:nod:) Women I feel need to leave this job only to the men. Sorry but it is true.
Rudy Giuliani believes Americans have a "right" to abortion. He does not, however, believe in our right to "keep and bear arms," at least not without government oversight and control (which pretty much removes the purpose of that right altogether). He also believes non-Americans have the "right" to sneak into our country, violate our laws, and get rewarded by permission to stay... a glaring exception to his "tough on crime" stance, in my opinion.
If I'm faced with the choice between a pro-abortion, anti-gun, pro-illegal immigrant candidate with an "R," or a pro-abortion, anti-gun, pro-illegal immigrant candidate with a "D" after his or her name, I don't really see the point in choosing one over the other. That letter doesn't mean as much to me as the person in front of it, and the principles for which he or she stands. Sure, one of them might fight terrorists more aggressively and keep the economy strong by not raising taxes. But for what purpose?
If Rudy Giuliani is the Republican nominee, we Conservatives have already lost the fight for America. The choice between Left and more Left is no choice at all.
Rejecting Rudy (http://www.theconservativevoice.com/articles/article.html?id=28633)
Jessie
10-15-2007, 06:24 PM
Rudy Giuliani believes Americans have a "right" to abortion. He does not, however, believe in our right to "keep and bear arms," at least not without government oversight and control (which pretty much removes the purpose of that right altogether). He also believes non-Americans have the "right" to sneak into our country, violate our laws, and get rewarded by permission to stay... a glaring exception to his "tough on crime" stance, in my opinion.
If I'm faced with the choice between a pro-abortion, anti-gun, pro-illegal immigrant candidate with an "R," or a pro-abortion, anti-gun, pro-illegal immigrant candidate with a "D" after his or her name, I don't really see the point in choosing one over the other. That letter doesn't mean as much to me as the person in front of it, and the principles for which he or she stands. Sure, one of them might fight terrorists more aggressively and keep the economy strong by not raising taxes. But for what purpose?
If Rudy Giuliani is the Republican nominee, we Conservatives have already lost the fight for America. The choice between Left and more Left is no choice at all.
Rejecting Rudy (http://www.theconservativevoice.com/articles/article.html?id=28633)
I'm afraid its already gone to far.
they are all on the same track. does'nt matter whether dem or rep.
and now its global.
kay-gee
10-15-2007, 07:43 PM
Public is leaning more to the left.
all the best...
CoreIssue
10-15-2007, 08:23 PM
Public is leaning more to the left.
all the best...
Yep. The Great Apostacy grows.
Jessie
10-15-2007, 09:05 PM
its amazing to actually see it all happen, but on a basis of having to live in it,
its not nice...
kay-gee
10-15-2007, 10:34 PM
Don't have to live in it?
all the best...
CoreIssue
10-15-2007, 10:41 PM
Don't have to live in it?
all the best...
Huh?
Jessie
10-16-2007, 12:22 AM
KG you too are living in it. we all are.
things are falling apart, being re-routed to evil things,
trying to make it is getting worse.
this is all just flat out ridiculas.
they even say like atlanta wont have any water in 4 months.
but they just keep shipping in people like theres an abundence for a life time and then some.
and its not just our country doing this.
perhaps we should call this world now babylon the world of confusion.
kay-gee
10-16-2007, 08:42 AM
Oh yeah its bad I know. I thought you were referring to the public's inevitable lean to the left. As these problems surmount people become more desparate and are seeking a government that actually takes an interest in the citizens it serves. It is not enough anymore to just look after the war hawks and th oil barons. I once saw a bumer sticker on a car with US plates. it said:
THE NEXT TIME THE NAVY WANTS A BATTLESHIP LET "THEM" HAVE A BAKE SALE!
It really got me to thinking about this whole thing.
all the best...
CoreIssue
10-16-2007, 11:29 AM
KG you too are living in it. we all are.
things are falling apart, being re-routed to evil things,
trying to make it is getting worse.
this is all just flat out ridiculas.
they even say like atlanta wont have any water in 4 months.
but they just keep shipping in people like theres an abundence for a life time and then some.
and its not just our country doing this.
perhaps we should call this world now babylon the world of confusion.
That is because the Georgia State Government gets SO much money from new construction.
What is their solution, a ban on new development? No! They want to start installing giant underground storage tanks to collect water in better times for worse. Idiots.
Like with us, they announced a big China company coming to my home town. No public meetings, just delcared it done.
Will it benefit my town? Not that I can see. It will hurt us.
But they don't care. It will help state level.
Sane decision making has left the world.
CoreIssue
10-16-2007, 11:34 AM
Oh yeah its bad I know. I thought you were referring to the public's inevitable lean to the left. As these problems surmount people become more desparate and are seeking a government that actually takes an interest in the citizens it serves. It is not enough anymore to just look after the war hawks and th oil barons. I once saw a bumer sticker on a car with US plates. it said:
THE NEXT TIME THE NAVY WANTS A BATTLESHIP LET "THEM" HAVE A BAKE SALE!
It really got me to thinking about this whole thing.
all the best...
That is a foolish statement, KG.
Look at reality. They thnk the only way to save the world is for everyone to think alike. Which means eliminate Christianity and any other belief system that disagrees with them.
That is EXACTLY what the AC uses to persuade people to him.
You are biting into the AC message. Try studying prophecy and see you have bitten into it and Satan does not want you to see that truth. Your thinking is part of the Apostacy.
No one wants war. Only liberals push that garbage.
But liberals think you can talk your way out, never have to fight. What do you think enabled WWI and II. THAT thinking did.
kay-gee
10-16-2007, 12:11 PM
Sorta true there but I am giving a very general synopsis of what modern public is thinking. The average Joe is not concerned with AC and those other things. They see social structures falling by the wayside while the rich get richer. I'm talking to even Republicans now that are tired of the Iraq thing and want it over. The public will just isn't what it was in the day of WW1 and WW2. They just see billions squandered away while the school system falls apart and people struggling to afford health. Take a look at inner city america. Absolutely appalling.
all the best...
CoreIssue
10-16-2007, 12:38 PM
I am not a Republican. I am no fan of either party.
You are not grasping the Democrats controlled government for decades and THEY created the chaos we have in schools and such now.
The liberal thinking is entrenched in too many Americans. Good moral based conservatives find it almost impossible, if not totally impossible, to get elected.
The Republicans of today, by and large, are more like the Dems than they are different.
There is not a single country on the face of the earth that really looks out for its people. It is all about the State now. Even in Canada the individual is not important. Only the State.
Jessie
10-16-2007, 02:46 PM
KG you too are living in it. we all are.
things are falling apart, being re-routed to evil things,
trying to make it is getting worse.
this is all just flat out ridiculas.
they even say like atlanta wont have any water in 4 months.
but they just keep shipping in people like theres an abundence for a life time and then some.
and its not just our country doing this.
perhaps we should call this world now babylon the world of confusion.
That is because the Georgia State Government gets SO much money from new construction.
What is their solution, a ban on new development? No! They want to start installing giant underground storage tanks to collect water in better times for worse. Idiots.
Like with us, they announced a big China company coming to my home town. No public meetings, just delcared it done.
Will it benefit my town? Not that I can see. It will hurt us.
But they don't care. It will help state level.
Sane decision making has left the world.
seeing everywhere the rule of law can be "bought" does'nt matter what your into.
they just keep on building here too. bringing more folks in. and one can see that they dont care about the people its all about the state.
and they are making really stupid decisions too. not even good in their own interests.
its because of this I have wondered if we would end up like a 3rd world nation.
and kg, I heard many yrs ago they wanted to show up and throw flowers at the enemy.
my goodness. the enemy would'nt give a hoot about one giving them a flower. :eek:
they'd shoot ya and be glad they did'nt have to worry about you being a problem for them. I'd rather have a battle ship anyday, so I could have my bakesale later.
kay-gee
10-16-2007, 03:25 PM
Rather than a functioning school system? hmmm ok!
all the best...
CoreIssue
10-16-2007, 03:50 PM
Rather than a functioning school system? hmmm ok!
all the best...
You mean like Michigan where they will not fight back and Muslims are pushing in Sharia Law?
We tried making nice with Japan and got Pearl Harbor. Or Europe played blind with Hitler and got overrun.
There is NO reason not to have both.
Throwing money at education doesn't improve it when it is set up wrong.
Decimating our military, as Carter and Clinton did invites the problems we have now.
Ever notice it was nice and peaceful under Reagan after he hit Libia?
Peace through strength is not a cliche.
We ARE in Iraq because of Clinton. He could have ended Bin Laden and didn't. He encourage the radicals by peace, harmony and less military, which the bad guys just love to hear.
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