France: We were close to firing at Israeli planes

[Sid]

Looks like France almost made the mistake of the decade. . . .



French Defense Minister Michele Alliot-Marie said the country’s forces in south Lebanon were close to opening fire at IAF warplanes that flew over UN positions.

“The soldiers prepared the missiles for launching and were only a few seconds from opening fire,” she said.


France: We were close to firing at Israeli planes (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3325902,00.html)

[MHz]

Looks like France almost made the mistake of the decade. . . .

Why would you say the UN almost made a mistake, I didn't realise the war-planes had the 'right' to be in another countries air-space.

[Jessie]

hum this poses an interesting question.

I know other nations are NOT to divide Isreal.
but when Isreal is out of line, can another nation protect itself?

[Sid]

I know other nations are NOT to divide Isreal.
but when Isreal is out of line, can another nation protect itself?



With a box of baguettes and another of white flags, the French set out to conquer the world:



The UN is an irrelevant, dysfunctional debating society and totally corrupt. [LINK] (http://p105.ezboard.com/fxcatholicfrm18.showMessage?topicID=496.topic)


The UN is worse than worthless in enforcing the UN Resolutions in Lebanon, Iraq or the Sudan. [LINK] (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=114650)


The French are worse than worthless in being a part of a worthless UN force. [LINK] (http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/france.html)


Israel isn't going to sit on their hands and watch while the Hesbos rearm. [LINK] (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1162378358496&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull)

[CoreIssue]

MHz, the UN is there to keep the peace. The French have stated they are not patrolling because it is dangerous.

The Muslim terrorists are sneaking missiles and such into Israel and killing Jews.

And you don't think they have a right to defend themselves? Really?

Plus, there are recognition signals in planes. Soldiers are suppose to be able to recognize silhouettes.

Nope. The French are their normal failures in this.

What is with you thinking the Jews are suppose to be sitting targets for Muslims? I don't get your position at all. :eek:

[Sid]

. . . it's not like the French could have hit them anyway. . . .

[CoreIssue]

. . . it's not like the French could have hit them anyway. . . .
:roflmbo:

[MHz]

What is with you thinking the Jews are suppose to be sitting targets for Muslims? I don't get your position at all. :eek:
EEK yourself. One of the 4 that Isreal killed a little earlier was a Canadian, I'm a Canadian. Reason enough to think Israel should not be flying where there are UN Posts. My faith that Israel can identify UN outposts (which are not supposed to be targets) is understandably diminished. You, most likely, wouldn't have been able to identify what countries those 4 that were killed came from off the tip of your tounge.
It has nothing to do with the 'right to defend', the UN Forces are not attacking Israel, HELLO.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200607/s1696915.htm

Milos Strugar, spokesman of the UN Interim Forces in Lebanon (UNIFIL), says a UN observer post has taken a direct hit and there are casualties.

"An air bombardment hit directly a building of UN observers, which is a house and a shelter, in Khiam," he said.

A Lebanese security official has been quoted saying peacekeepers from Austria, Canada, China and Finland were inside at the time.

A rescue team has been sent to the building but is unable to reach those trapped in the rubble.

"There were 14 other Israeli firings close to this position by the Israeli side and the firing continued during the UNIFIL rescue," Mr Strugar said.

The above would be reason enough for anybody from any country serving at one of these UN Outposts to be more than ready to fire on aircraft that have been known not to be able to identify who they are considering attacking before they actually do.

Here is another link with pictures before/after the attack.
http://judicial-inc.biz/israelis_firing_on_un_observers.htm
If they couldn't identify that building they shouldn't be flying anything, or driving anything either.

The French have stated they are not patrolling because it is dangerous.
This article would make an interesting read, link please.

[CoreIssue]

Well, let me be honest here. I don't think much of Canada, at all.

One of the most liberal nations in the world. Depends on the US to defend it while being above it all and lecturing us on homosexuality, being anti-Christian and censoring its TV and radio to ban all non-government content. So, you are not going to get very far with me on Canada and its attitudes.

If the UN was doing its job the Israeli would not have a need to beef up their self defense efforts.

I remember the incident. Unfortunate. But they sat there while terrorists were working and driving weapons all around them. Didn't do a thing to stop them.

Unfortunate, but what to blazes were they doing there if they no intention of fulfilling their mandate? Were the Israeli suppose to let the terrorist use them as a protective screen to keep killing Israeli?

You need to stop and think this through. They should have been withdrawn instead of arrogantly having their governments think the Israeli would let their own keep dying instead of trying to take out the enemy around them.

You tell me why they were sitting there, admittedly watching the flow of terrorists and weapons all around them.

Yea, I remember the incident. More to it than you are seeing or wanting to see.

[CoreIssue]

French will not move against malitia. (http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/012818.php)That is the Lebanese job, the French say.

But the Lebanese are doing nothing to stop the malitia.

Lebanese will not disarm malitia. (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/july-dec06/brown_08-16.html)

Nothing has happened yet. But you want the Israeli to sit back while missiles and weapons pour into Israel via Lebanon?

[MHz]

Well, let me be honest here. I don't think much of Canada, at all.
Imagine my total lack of surprise.

One of the most liberal nations in the world. Depends on the US to defend it while being above it all and lecturing us on homosexuality, being anti-Christian and censoring its TV and radio to ban all non-government content. So, you are not going to get very far with me on Canada and its attitudes.
The only country to put it's soldiers on our soil was you guys. Granted it was a long time ago. Do you know of any country today that is even thinking they should invade Canada, even as a act of 'self-defence'? Excuse me, it is your Government that puts pressure on our Government to do what you want. Like not making possession of a small amount of pot a 'finable' crime and not a 'criminal offence'.
It isn't about Canada and it's attitudes. You simply don't feel anything wrong has happened when Israel kills a Canadian soldier who is not involved in a fire-fight with them. I doubt you feel anything when your own country kills some of them in a 'friendly-fire' situation even though they are involved in fire-fights againt the same as your troups are fighting against.

If the UN was doing its job the Israeli would not have a need to beef up their self defense efforts.
It was the US and France that drafted the cease-fire responsibilities and limitations, so why hold them back from bringing their 'mad-dogs', oh, yeah, because they are 'mad-dogs' and they wanted some restraint, not a escalation.

I remember the incident. Unfortunate. But they sat there while terrorists were working and driving weapons all around them. Didn't do a thing to stop them.

And these incidents,
Israel's Latest Assaults On The UN
July 17
Israel tank fires on observers
July 23
A UN border observer shot
July 24
A UN officer was shot
July 25
An Israeli tank fired on a UN base injuring four observers

All in less than 10 days.


Unfortunate, but what to blazes were they doing there if they no intention of fulfilling their mandate? Were the Israeli suppose to let the terrorist use them as a protective screen to keep killing Israeli?
Who is mostly in charge of setting limits on what they can do, the US. By rights those on both sides of the bufferzone should be disarmned. The ones on the north to prevent any rockets getting into Israel, those on the south because they don't look before they shoot.

You need to stop and think this through. They should have been withdrawn instead of arrogantly having their governments think the Israeli would let their own keep dying instead of trying to take out the enemy around them.
Are you saying Israel should be shooting at the UN troops? Like I said before these troops have a limit on what authority they have, one being they can only use agression in self defence.


You tell me why they were sitting there, admittedly watching the flow of terrorists and weapons all around them.
Now you get to supply the link for that.

Yea, I remember the incident. More to it than you are seeing or wanting to see.
I most certainly agree that ther is more to it.

"Why Would Israelis Kill UN Observers?

The U.N. is in a position to dispute the Katyusha Rocket nonsense, and some of their outposts witnessed the massacre at Maroun Al Ras, Yaroun, and Bint Jibeil.. UN observation points are stationed on the border fence, near these remote villages, and see everything the Israelis are doing.

UNIFIL is objecting, they insist the katyushas are located a few miles behind this area, and they saw no reason to devastate these farmers. The executions were meant to send a message, so there is a real possibility that UN Observers took video of Israelis executing farmers."

Both references in this post are from the link I provided that had the pictures.

[MHz]

The French have stated they are not patrolling because it is dangerous.
The link to the article said nothing about the danger, it said it was not in their mandate, the one your country helped write.
"But if a UNIFIL unit comes across Hezbollah firing a rocket into Israel, it should alert the Lebanese army and not use force against the militia itself, even though a strict interpretation of the UN mandate might allow that, the official said."

"The article noted that objections by the Lebanese government stymied France’s effort to give the UN force powers under Chapter VII of the UN Charter, which would have permitted military force to back all aspects of the mandate."

So the UN forces have their limits, nice the way you put it, that the men wouldn't look because it would be dangerous. Why can't you just repeat the facts instead of letting your own personal view twist something into something different.

[CoreIssue]

MHz, I was responding to your nonsense Israel didn't have a right to fly over Lebanon when neither Lebanon or the UN was doing what they were suppose to.

Let me put it plain and simple. The UN Troops should either do their jobs or get out of the way. Go home.

They can be paper weights there and out of harms way.

[MHz]

MHz, I was responding to your nonsense Israel didn't have a right to fly over Lebanon when neither Lebanon or the UN was doing what they were suppose to.

Let me put it plain and simple. The UN Troops should either do their jobs or get out of the way. Go home.

They can be paper weights there and out of harms way.
How many rockets (or whatever) landed in Israel that day?

You expect 15,000 men to patrol the whole country. Don't forget the US drafted the rules (in part). Don't forget it was the US that vetoed every attempt to bring a quicker ceasefire. Don't forget it is the US alone who vetoes every call to stop Israel in their 'acts of self-defence".
If you think these people will dis-arm you are wrong. Recent history has shown that once dis-armed you will get invaded. Show that you can actually cause much destruction to those who would like to invade you and you get left alone.

It is by design that these UN Forces are paper-tigers, not their design but they at least live 'by the rules'. Think I'm being unfair to Israel and to the US, correct me if I'm wrong but these two listed are 'supposed to be the peoples closest to God in both word and deed'. See the Scripture at the end of this post and tell me all the points that are being followed.

In the below you can clearly see when the UN are allowed to be of assistance and it isn't giving them even the teeth to implement almost anything. Paper tigers you are right, what the situation actually calls for are the mad-dogs-of-war that will make sure neither side has the means nor the inclination to go anywhere near that zone.

With all the media attention on where they were getting their arms from why wasn't their any report on the sales to Israel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negotiations_for_ceasefire_in_the_2006_Israel-Lebanon_conflict
11 August

The Security Council accepted the revised draft unanimously and made it into United Nations Security Council Resolution 1701. The main differences, compared with the original draft proposal, was that the 15,000 men assigned from the Lebanese Army would have a central role, with a much strengthened UNIFIL force (from current 2,000 to possibly 15,000 men) assisting them in fully implementing the relevant provisions of the Taif Accords and resolutions 1559 and 1680 (taken on 17 May 2006, urging Lebanon to speed up the disarming of Hezbollah, and urging Syria to help in this, as well as urging Syria to help Lebanon settle their common border, i.e. Shebaa Farms), including disarmament of Hezbollah. The resolution, however, made it clear that the Lebanese would decide when and if they require UNIFILs help in these matters. The resolution also stated that Israeli forces should withdraw in parallel with the combined Lebanese and UNIFIL forces moving into the conflict area.

A withdraw means land and air.

The UN is doing their job, in the tiny area they were given control over. In the conflict they were attacked only by Israel.

If you would really like to get into this topic on a much broader scale we could go back to the beginning of the last century and explore all the lies and deception that have occurred in just a few of the larger wars. Not usually my topic of choice but the information is already there and it is not by my own personal slant. Does it leave the US looking like a 'shining hero' not likely but neither is it the worst of the worst, everybody can be manipulated, even countries.


1Pe:4:12:
Beloved,
think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you,
as though some strange thing happened unto you:
1Pe:4:13:
But rejoice,
inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings;
that,
when his glory shall be revealed,
ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.
1Pe:4:14:
If ye be reproached for the name of Christ,
happy are ye;
for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you:
on their part he is evil spoken of,
but on your part he is glorified.
1Pe:4:15:
But let none of you suffer as a murderer,
or as a thief,
or as an evildoer,
or as a busybody in other men's matters.
1Pe:4:16:
Yet if any man suffer as a Christian,
let him not be ashamed;
but let him glorify God on this behalf.
1Pe:4:17:
For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God:
and if it first begin at us,
what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
1Pe:4:18:
And if the righteous scarcely be saved,
where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
1Pe:4:19:
Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing,
as unto a faithful Creator.

[CoreIssue]

Hi MHz,

Of course the UN is not getting attacked! Why should they?

The are not stopping the malitia from moving through and not contravening weapons shipments bound for Israel. They are the most convenient human shield the terrorists can have.

And of course Israel is not standing by while they pour weapons into Israel and areas from which Israel is attacked.

Man, you are an ultra liberal, aren't you? Thinking you can make peace with Islamics when they are devoted to the destruction of every Jew in the world and the conversion of all the rest.

We are truly going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

The Bible does not say stand there and die at the hands of every Christian hater out there. They are not government. They are murderers, criminals an rogues.

Even the Apostles carried swords to defend themselves against such.

And of course the initial cease fire accords failed to pass. Telling Israel to just get out and let there be peace talks is something only fools could believe would work. Especially after decades of such with these types that they always used to rearm, redeploy and then attack again.

If you don't see the distinction between selling arms to a nation to defend itself and to attack others unwarrantedly, that is your problem.

Canada's anti-gun laws are prime examples. All they do is leave the innocent to the whims of the criminals. Doesn't work.

We are not going to agree. Maybe Sid or someone else has a comment here. But I don't know what else to say to you.

[CTZonEdit]

You simply don't feel anything wrong has happened when Israel kills a Canadian soldier who is not involved in a fire-fight with them. I doubt you feel anything when your own country kills some of them in a 'friendly-fire' situation even though they are involved in fire-fights againt the same as your troups are fighting against.


I dont see that viewpoint coming across at all from Core's response. Pretty cold of you to say something like that.

Its a tragedy of war that people die, innocent people are going to die in a war.

But you dont tie the hands of your military and require them to interview each person in a building before its hit to be sure that you only hit the enemy. There are going to be civilian and friendly casualties in modern warfare especially the way this enemy hides like cowards, and fail to fight fairly.

You will never defeat them by playing their games. You and all the liberals are getting played by these Islamic-extremists like a fiddle. And if you think liberals are getting played now, just wait until the AC starts to rise.

Id love to see how it would have played out if we had just never invaded Iraq and held hands and sung kumbaya by letting them be and do as they wish. Yep would love to see where we would be today and in 5 years with all the sanctions and meetings and summits and political pressures the liberal road would have taken us. By the time you would have enough proof to convince a liberal the bombs would be falling on your head but at least you would have avoided a war right?

And yet that is exactly what you will get. Peace, peace, peace! Then deception and destruction by the one everyone will turn to peace for. So keep trucking down that liberal road.

The antichrist will be the ultimate when it comes to liberalism.

[MHz]

Hi MHz,

Of course the UN is not getting attacked! Why should they?
How many incidents were there in the 10 days before the 4 were killed? Now how many attacks did they endure from the other side?


The are not stopping the malitia from moving through and not contravening weapons shipments bound for Israel. They are the most convenient human shield the terrorists can have.

I thought you believed they were hiding behind women and kids?


And of course Israel is not standing by while they pour weapons into Israel and areas from which Israel is attacked.
Plain and simple question, does the cease-fire allow for their war-planes to be flying outside their own border. If not, then it is a breach of the cease-fire agreement. How can one side be condemned for breaches while the other side is not?



Man, you are an ultra liberal, aren't you? Thinking you can make peace with Islamics when they are devoted to the destruction of every Jew in the world and the conversion of all the rest.
How many of these are carrying weapons your country has sold to them? Would that be Apostle like Jews or Pharisees and Sadducees like Jews? Does it even matter to you which of these you support?



We are truly going to have to agree to disagree on this one.
I don't have a problem with that.



The Bible does not say stand there and die at the hands of every Christian hater out there. They are not government. They are murderers, criminals an rogues.
Core the one really big thing you aren't seeing is if a person if following Jesus written words it is unlikely anybody will want to do you harm. Once you take up the attitude 'get them before they get you' you have forsaken those very words that would keep you safe. Plainly said, if you aren't doing things to that make enemies of other people they will leave you alone.
1Th:5:14:
Now we exhort you,
brethren,
warn them that are unruly,
comfort the feebleminded,
support the weak,
be patient toward all men.
1Th:5:15:
See that none render evil for evil unto any man;
but ever follow that which is good,
both among yourselves,
and to all men.

1Pe:3:13:
And who is he that will harm you,
if ye be followers of that which is good?
1Pe:3:14:
But and if ye suffer for righteousness' sake,
happy are ye:
and be not afraid of their terror,
neither be troubled;
1Pe:3:15:
But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts:
and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
1Pe:3:16:
Having a good conscience;
that,
whereas they speak evil of you,
as of evildoers,
they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
1Pe:3:17:
For it is better,
if the will of God be so,
that ye suffer for well doing,
than for evil doing.
1Pe:3:18:
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins,
the just for the unjust,
that he might bring us to God,
being put to death in the flesh,
but quickened by the Spirit:



Even the Apostles carried swords to defend themselves against such. Oh really, please supply a passage where they defended themselves with a sword. Jesus healed the one whose ear was cut-off so that wouldn't be a very good example.



And of course the initial cease fire accords failed to pass. Telling Israel to just get out and let there be peace talks is something only fools could believe would work. Especially after decades of such with these types that they always used to rearm, redeploy and then attack again.
Lets look at this from a different angle, what has Israel done in the last few decades to assist in the enrichment of the quality of life for those who live around her?



If you don't see the distinction between selling arms to a nation to defend itself and to attack others unwarrantedly, that is your problem.
What is it when the companies that make these arms are selling them to both sides?



Canada's anti-gun laws are prime examples. All they do is leave the innocent to the whims of the criminals. Doesn't work.
We probably have more stabbings than shootings.



We are not going to agree. Maybe Sid or someone else has a comment here. But I don't know what else to say to you.
Okay.

[MHz]

I dont see that viewpoint coming across at all from Core's response. Pretty cold of you to say something like that.
I wasn't the one making jokes about the UN troops that happened to be from France.

Its a tragedy of war that people die, innocent people are going to die in a war.
Is there a point when the ratio of innocents compared to combatants killed where this can be said to be not working out?

But you dont tie the hands of your military and require them to interview each person in a building before its hit to be sure that you only hit the enemy. There are going to be civilian and friendly casualties in modern warfare especially the way this enemy hides like cowards, and fail to fight fairly.
So for them to kill innocents is wrong but when innocents on their side are killed it is justified?
When you target a place you know there are innocents are and the attack proceeds how is that holding yourself to a higher moral principal?

You will never defeat them by playing their games. You and all the liberals are getting played by these Islamic-extremists like a fiddle. And if you think liberals are getting played now, just wait until the AC starts to rise.
Then defeat them by another means, try doing something that is in their best interest.
If you think the 10 men that align themselves with the AC don't have control over most of the weapons of war you are mistaken.

Id love to see how it would have played out if we had just never invaded Iraq and held hands and sung kumbaya by letting them be and do as they wish. Yep would love to see where we would be today and in 5 years with all the sanctions and meetings and summits and political pressures the liberal road would have taken us. By the time you would have enough proof to convince a liberal the bombs would be falling on your head but at least you would have avoided a war right?
This is the same country and the same leader your country armed to the teeth so they could have a war with Iran right?

And yet that is exactly what you will get. Peace, peace, peace! Then deception and destruction by the one everyone will turn to peace for. So keep trucking down that liberal road.

The antichrist will be the ultimate when it comes to liberalism.
A dictatorship is more like it, tow the line or die.

[CoreIssue]

I only have one comment here.

The UN is a joke.

I didn't make any jokes about the soldiers. The UN as a body is one big massive PC anti-Christian and democracy joke.

[MHz]

I didn't make any jokes about the soldiers.
Post #7 would seem like you were

[CoreIssue]

Generic French statement. Which is true.

I suppose you are not going to tell me the French are not ultra liberal.

[CTZonEdit]

I wasn't the one making jokes about the UN troops that happened to be from France.

France is so far to the left their military is choked. They are basically security guards not a militia.

What actual good are they doing simply patrolling around and not actively getting involved when infractions are seen?

Is there a point when the ratio of innocents compared to combatants killed where this can be said to be not working out?

Ok so we stop the war and let them do what they want since they insist on using these cowardly tactics, taking hostages, imbedding themselves in urban areas, and putting innocent lives in harms way? We'll just placate them like we have for the past 30 odd years. That worked out well, eh?

So for them to kill innocents is wrong but when innocents on their side are killed it is justified?

Its called war. They play dirty and its ugly, but that is THEIR fault. They choose to fight unfairly and leave no other choice.

And No getting them to talk and make empty claims and promises while they build up their resources again so they can destroy the Jews is not a choice.

When you target a place you know there are innocents are and the attack proceeds how is that holding yourself to a higher moral principal?

Are you dense? Taking hostages and putting innocents in harms way is their tactic. My god man you think you can talk sense to someone who wants to slit your infidel throat? They know that what they are doing and now you have sympathy for the enemy, just as they planned it.

Then defeat them by another means, try doing something that is in their best interest.

Really. Their interests are that all Jews die and Isreal is wiped off them map. So lets just let them follow their interests.

There is no other way to defeat them. And to be honest there is no total way to defeat them, war or not. You cant kill them all, best hope is that you can contain them for a while. But they will never stop and they will never be interested in anything else but the destruction of Jews and the Jewish nation.

If you think the 10 men that align themselves with the AC don't have control over most of the weapons of war you are mistaken.

The AC will control the 10 kingdoms. They will be under his control totally.

This is the same country and the same leader your country armed to the teeth so they could have a war with Iran right?

That makes alot of nonsense. The USA sold arms to a country so we could turn around and say "Ah HA! You saps! With weapons now we have a reason to destroy you!"

I'd stay away from the liberal media and the conspiracy loons if I were you.

[MHz]

What actual good are they doing simply patrolling around and not actively getting involved when infractions are seen?
What you say about the French also applies equally to those from these countries, Belgium, Bulgaria, China, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Ghana, Greece, India, Ireland, Italy, Luxemburg, Nepal, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Spain, Sweden and Turkey.

Now I will certainly try to find more info on how and who killed this many of them,
Fatalities 249 troops
2 military observers
3 international civilian staff
4 local staff

258 Total



Ok so we stop the war and let them do what they want since they insist on using these cowardly tactics, taking hostages, imbedding themselves in urban areas, and putting innocent lives in harms way? We'll just placate them like we have for the past 30 odd years. That worked out well, eh?
Are you referencing the two that were captured in Lebanon?
How many people does Israel have in prisons at this moment?

30 years of placating them would explain the 65 UN sanctions against Israel in just the years between 1955 and 1992.
The US vetoed 30 sanctions between Sept. 1972 and May 1990.


Its called war. They play dirty and its ugly, but that is THEIR fault. They choose to fight unfairly and leave no other choice.


Are you dense? Taking hostages and putting innocents in harms way is their tactic. My god man you think you can talk sense to someone who wants to slit your infidel throat? They know that what they are doing and now you have sympathy for the enemy, just as they planned it.

You seem to have mentally blocked out all the round-ups Israel has, and is still doing.


Really. Their interests are that all Jews die and Isreal is wiped off them map. So lets just let them follow their interests.

There is no other way to defeat them. And to be honest there is no total way to defeat them, war or not. You cant kill them all, best hope is that you can contain them for a while. But they will never stop and they will never be interested in anything else but the destruction of Jews and the Jewish nation.
Perhaps they should have waited for Christ to gather them and bring them home to His house of prayer. After all what good is it being in Jesus's land if He is not there.

I'd stay away from the liberal media and the conspiracy loons if I were you.
And risk catching the blindness you have, thanks but no thanks.

[CoreIssue]

How about answering CTZs and my point.

What are they doing there if they are doing nothing to keep the terrorists from attacking Israel?

And if they actual did do something, you don't think the terorists wouldn't be killing them?

[CTZonEdit]

So basically MHZ, Israel is the agressor? They are the whole problem and have no right to defend themselves or the land?

They should just be nice to the countries surrounding them that wish they were all dead and wiped off the face of the earth?

All these beliefs fall right in line with liberal open mindness. Getting caught up in the lies that Israel is just as bad as their enemies and deserve equal treatment. Treating the US and Israel the same. Both the big bad bullies on the planet.

[MHz]

How about answering CTZs and my point.

What are they doing there if they are doing nothing to keep the terrorists from attacking Israel?

And if they actual did do something, you don't think the terorists wouldn't be killing them?
Well I have found a page where it says it isn't just Israel that is shooting at them, same page this quote comes from, concerning their mission,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Interim_Force_In_Lebanon

Mandate

UNIFIL is tasked with achieving the following objectives:

* Confirm the withdrawal of Israeli forces from southern Lebanon
* Restore international peace and security
* Assist the Government of Lebanon in ensuring the return of its effective authority in the area

Mandating resolutions by the United Nations:

* January 31, 2006: United Nations Security Council Resolution 1655[4]
* July 31, 2006: United Nations Security Council Resolution 1697[5]
* August 11, 2007: United Nations Security Council Resolution 1701[6]

[edit] Current operation

UNIFIL is currently primarily deployed along the United Nations-drawn Blue Line dividing Israel (and the disputed Golan Heights) and southern Lebanon. Its activities have centred around monitoring military activity between Hezbollah and the Israeli Defense Force (IDF) with the aim of reducing tensions and allaying continuing low-level armed conflict. UNIFIL has also played an important rôle in clearing landmines, assisting displaced persons, and providing humanitarian assistance in this underdeveloped region. It is to be reinforced with up to 15,000 personnel and a tougher UN mandate under a UN resolution to halt the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict, and operate alongside the Lebanese Armed Forces. The new resolution states that UNIFIL can “take all the necessary action in areas of deployment of its forces, and as it deems with its capabilities, to ensure that its area of operations is not utilised for hostile activities of any kind.”[7] On August 27, 2006 United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan said that UNIFIL would not intercept arms shipments from Syria, unless requested to do so by the Government of Lebanon.

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A Dutch DAF YP 408 truck, which is similar to those used by UNIFIL
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A Dutch DAF YP 408 truck, which is similar to those used by UNIFIL

As of November 1, 2006 UNIFIL employs 9,509 military personnel, 53 United Nations Truce Supervision Organization observers, 97 international civilian employees, and 308 local civilian employees.[8] Its annual budget is about US$100 million. UNIFIL is currently led by French Major-General Alain Pellegrini, formerly French military attaché in Beirut and head of the Middle East Division of the Service de Documentation Extérieure et de Contre-Espionnage.

To date UNIFIL has suffered 258 fatalities: 249 military personnel, 2 military observers, 3 international civilian staff, and 4 local staff.

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So basically MHZ, Israel is the agressor? They are the whole problem and have no right to defend themselves or the land?

They should just be nice to the countries surrounding them that wish they were all dead and wiped off the face of the earth?

All these beliefs fall right in line with liberal open mindness. Getting caught up in the lies that Israel is just as bad as their enemies and deserve equal treatment. Treating the US and Israel the same. Both the big bad bullies on the planet.

Neither are as big or bad as they think they are.

Just to show you are looking at this from a non-biased POV, name three things Israel has done that you (personally) do not support. Both of you can answer if you like.

You are more than welcome to provide support for sanctions that others have ignored.

What is "Mossad's motto"

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Yea. Mandated to assist Lebanon, who is doing nothing, which is their excuse for doing nothing.

Get some reality here.

Israel is still being attacked and they are suppose to just wait for Lebanon getting around to doing what they are suppose to. Then, and only then, France and the rest will do what they are suppose to do.

No. Israel has every right and would be stupid to not try to stop arms flow.

The UN forces either need to do something or get out.

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Just to show you are looking at this from a non-biased POV, name three things Israel has done that you (personally) do not support. Both of you can answer if you like.

1. Suppresses Christian witnessing to Jews. Which is not as bad as the Muslims, who kill Christians and converts.
2. Gave back the land from which the Muslims are now attacking them after the wars of the 60s and such, where THEY were attacked by Egypt and others.
3. I cannot think of a 3rd one right now.

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I cannot think of a 3rd one right now.
I can wait

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French soldiers in Lebanon who feel threatened by aggressive Israeli overflights are permitted to shoot at IAF fighter jets, a high-ranking French military officer told The Jerusalem Post.

France's furor at the overflights was not divorced from French domestic political considerations, government officials in Jerusalem said Wednesday.

France is scheduled to hold the first round of presidential elections in April, and one of those reportedly considering tossing her hat into the ring is Defense Minister Michele Alliot-Marie.

According to these officials, taking a tough stance toward Israel on the issue - a position that grabs headlines in France - helps her raise her profile.

The officials said it didn't hurt Alliot-Marie politically to be seen as someone who needed to be "held back" from responding forcefully to the overflights.

France has said on a few occasions since the end of the war that it came close to firing at Israeli jets over Lebanon. In late October, Alliot-Marie told parliament that Israeli F-15's had dived close to French positions in southern Lebanon.

"Our troops barely avoided a catastrophe," Alliot-Marie told parliament. "Our troops find themselves in a position where they have to fire in legitimate self-defense."

Alliot-Marie is a close ally of French President Jacques Chirac, and if Chirac does not decide to run for a third term, he may back Alliot-Marie to thwart his rival, Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy.



France okays firing at IAF over Lebanon (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1162378461109&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/Printer)

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Buster. The French know Israel would not target them.