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The real problem with the RCC is that it teaches another gospel: fear, guilt and rules:
• [RCism] teaches that you are saved by grace, faith and works.
• God's grace is something you must earn by keeping the church sacraments, traditions and rituals.
• The priests of the church are successors of the apostles and have all of Christ's authority on earth.
• The priests are grace dispensers and the church is infallible.
• If you accumulate enough merit you will go to heaven. . . . otherwise you will have to go through the fires of purgatory or to hell.
• The writings of the church fathers and the traditions of the church have equal weight with the holy scrip-tures.
• The members are in the process of being saved by their works of merit.
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Jesus Christ saves those who trust 100% in Him.
. . . not those who trust 50% in Him and 50% in their own merits and righteousness.
Jesus Christ doesn't give a person grace to be able to do the good works to become righteous through sacraments and works so he can save himself.
Such a salvation would not truly be free, nor by GRACE (meaning unmerited favor), nor be the gospel (Rom. 1:16-17 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rom.%201:16-17&version=49)).
Jesus Christ doesn't give a person grace to be able to do the good works to become righteous through sacraments and works so he can save himself.
Such a salvation would not truly be free, nor by GRACE (meaning unmerited favor), nor be the gospel (Rom. 1:16-17 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rom.%201:16-17&version=49)).
Whenever RCism admits that salvation is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone , I will admit that they have the Gospel correct.
. . . as long as RCism teachs that salvation is by grace plus merit through faith plus works in Christ plus the Church, the sacraments and Mary . . .
I will be around to proclaim that it is precisely here where RCism's skidmarks lead off into the ditch.
. . . and that they are teaching another gospel.
It has long been my belief that the Church of Rome reluctantly gives the Bible mere lip service, and if the truth be told, they in reality are quite able to function and exist without the word of God.
This brief article will demonstrate how Rome understands the Holy Scripture and what is expected of her laity if and when they ever wish to delve into God's only infallible message and witness to mankind.
First of all, the following 4 points, need to be made:
Whenever official Catholic publications use the word Christian, they actually mean Catholic.
Whenever they use the word Church, they mean Catholic Church.
Whenever they speak about the Bible, they mean the Apocrypha also.
Whenever they speak of the unwritten word, they mean oral tradition also.
..."It is the duty of a Christian to receive the one [oral tradition] and other [written word] with equal veneration and respect"
Such a declaration as this may all sound good and fair to the average naive Catholic and ignorant Protestant, but what happens when the two clash and contradict one another? And how can a Catholic treat both with equal respect, when one is superior to the other?
Sadly this duel authority is also found in Mormonism (Book of Mormon and Bible), Judaism (Talmud and Tenach) and Jehovah's Witness (Kingdom Hall and their corrupt Bible translation, NWT.)
The Catholic Church and the Bible (http://www.excatholicsforchrist.com/articles.php?PageURL=Bible.htm)
I pray that you are washed in the blood (Rev 1:5 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev%201:5&version=49)) and are not trusting in yourself, your church, your rituals, your good works, or even your infant baptism to save you (please see the parable of Matt. 22 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt.%2022;&version=49;)) but that you are clothed in the eternal righteousness of the Saviour and Him ALONE (Rom. 4:18 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rom.%204:18;&version=49;).)
My Search for the Truth (http://www.excatholicsforchrist.com/articles.php?PageURL=James%20Testimony.htm)
Roman Catholicism teaches that the scriptures are incomplete. That tradition and word of mouth teaching is the only way that God can depend on getting His word passed around.
The epistles are the letters written by the apostles which are compiled in the New Testament scriptures. What were their words? Whatever their words may be, the scriptures teach that there must be a way that those words could be tested for authenticity. The Catholic Church claims that their words are everything that they teach that is not included in the scriptures. This Authority that the Roman Church has outlined for herself is not in accordance to scripture, because their authority can not be tested! This authority is also an open door for ANYONE in the Catholic Churches hierarchy to teach ANYTHING!!
If the Catholic Church today were to declare and decree that you should walk through the streets naked so that you can "participate in the sufferings of Jesus", then you would have absolutely no way to dispute that this is not from God, for there is no way for you to test their doctrine. If the Pope speaks for God and this is what the Pope wants you to do, then your salvation will depend on you walking naked through the streets. This is not a joke, this is exactly what has happened through the ages. The Roman Catholic Church has added multitudes of decrees that ARE NOT found in the scriptures. This is ok by them because they are the authority and not the scriptures.
Roman Catholicism teaches that the scriptures are incomplete. (http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/9330/splitdoctrines.htm)
Jesus Christ doesn't give a person grace to be able to do the good works to become righteous through sacraments and works so he can save himself.
So much of RCism is based on legends, fables and traditions that have no basis in the Scriptures.
The problem, however, is that we are not going to gloss over important doctrinal differences, then it becomes impossible to maintain that Catholics and Protestants are genuine brothers and sisters in Christ.
It is virtually impossible to claim to maintain important doctrinal distinctions on the one hand, and to simultaneously unite Catholic and Protestant believers into a spiritual fellowship on the other. We can illustrate this by examining the following five doctrines and considering briefly how each doctrine relates to Catholic teaching:
Propitiation/atonement This doctrine demonstrates that the death of Christ fully propitiated or satisfied God's wrath and paid the full divine penalty for all the believer's sin past, present, and future, thereby proving that neither the sacraments, penance, purgatorial suffering, indulgences, the Mass, priests, nor any other aspect of the Catholic Church is involved in any way in the propitiation or remitting of sin.
Reconciliation This doctrine involves one result of the death of Christ for sin wherein the state of enmity between God and man is replaced by one of peace and fellowship, proving that final reconciliation between God and man is something accomplished by God on behalf of man, not by the Church on behalf of man.
Regeneration This doctrine involves the making alive of the human spirit toward God and the imparting of eternal life, proving that true spiritual life is eternal and a miracle of God, not something instituted by the Church through sacraments or good works.
Justification This doctrine constitutes the legal declaration of the believer's absolute righteousness before God on the basis of his personal faith in Jesus Christ, proving that our perfect standing before God is not dependent upon Church teaching, sacraments, personal character, or good works, but solely upon our faith in Christ.
Sanctification This doctrine involves being set apart to God for His glory. A correct understanding of its past, present, and future applications proves that sanctification does not lead to justification, nor should it be confused with regeneration, as Catholicism teaches.
A brief evaluation of the above doctrines illustrates our central concern: As a result of its tradition and/or interpretation of Scripture, the Catholic approach to biblical doctrine is characteristically colored in a nonbiblical fashion.
The doctrine of salvation (http://www.apologeticsindex.org/c16.html)
Occasionally, we hear from well meaning Christians who tell us they know a Roman Catholics who is saved. While there may be saved people who worship in the Catholic Church, they are no longer Roman Catholic.
Catholics are those who believe Rome's gospel of works and sacraments and because they believe another gospel, they are lost. They remain dead in their sins along with all the other "professing" Christians who have believed another gospel (1 Cor. 15:2) (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Cor.%2015:2;&version=49;).
Christians are those who believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ and are saved from the power and punishment of sin (Rom. 1:16) (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rom.%201:16;&version=49;). If a Catholic desires to believe God's Gospel they must repent (have a change of mind) concerning the Catholic gospel. The two gospels are diametrically opposed to one another. It is impossible to believe both gospels at the same time.
We are defined by what we believe, irrespective of what church we attend.
We do people a grave disservice if we encourage them in a spurious faith. If their faith is not in Christ alone, they remain separated from God and under His wrath. If we do not lovingly confront them in their true spiritual condition, they risk the irreversible tragedy of being condemned by Jesus at the Great White Throne judgment.
I cannot think of anything more horrifying than a professing Christian, coming face to face with Jesus, and hear Him say, "I never knew you; depart from Me" into the eternal lake of fire. Yet, there are many Catholics and non-Catholics who will hear these words unless they come to know and trust Jesus through His word.
Doctrinal error must be lovingly exposed and corrected using the infallible word of God. False teachings that have been craftily veiled with truth can be difficult to detect. In fact, seldom is error presented without first mixing it with truth lest it immediately be identified.
Those who use doctrinal error to control and deceive the unsuspecting are outwardly covered with sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. Catholics must be warned, their eternal destinies hang in the balance.
"I Know A Roman Catholic Who Is Saved" (http://www.reachingcatholics.org/catholic_saved.html)
Jesus Christ doesn't give a person grace to be able to do the good works to become righteous through sacraments and works so he can save himself.
On Wednesday morning, I went to Christo Rey Catholic Church to share the Gospel with the parish priest. Since he was unavailable I engaged a young man by the name of Abby to sit with me in a pew in front of a 6-foot tall statue of the Virgin Mary.
I placed on the floor eight cards, each of which represents different things Catholics trust for their salvation. I asked Abby to pick up the ones he believed were necessary to get to heaven. After he picked up six of the cards, I began sharing Scriptures with Abby, which showed him the errors of his faith.
One by one he transferred his trust from things that could not save him to the only name under heaven by which he could be saved. I witnessed the power of God's word and the conviction of the Holy Spirit as he repented from trusting in his devotion to Mary, baptism, obeying the commandments, good works and church membership as the means for his salvation.
He then called upon Jesus Christ to save him from the power and punishment of his sins. Praise God that He saves people even in the midst of idolatry and apostasy.
A Unique Place for a Gospel Presentation (http://www.reachingcatholics.org/joywitness.html)
Roman Catholicism makes salvation a long, complicated process with no assurance of eternal life and forgiveness of all sin. Baptism, the Mass, Confession, prayers to Mary and the Saints, good works, and purgatory are all added to faith in Christ. By contrast, the Bible teaches salvation by faith in Jesus Christ alone. Eph. 2:8-9 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Eph.%202:8-9&version=49); Titus 2:13 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Titus%202:13;&version=49;).
Bible salvation is God's free gift to any sinner who believes with the heart that Christ died for his sins and rose again for his justification. 1 Cor. 15:1-4 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Cor.%2015:1-4;&version=49;); Rom. 10:9-13 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rom.%2010:9-13;&version=49;).
Bible salvation gives immediate assurance of eternal life. 1 John 5:10-13 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20John%205:10-13;&version=49;).
Carefully read and believe John 1:12 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%201:12;&version=49;); 3:16-18 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%203:16-18;&version=49;); 3:36 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%203:36;&version=49;); 5:24 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%205:24;&version=49;); 14:1-6 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2014:1-6;&version=49;); 20:30-31 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2020:30-31;&version=49;).
No church ever saved anyone, but Christ can and will save everyone who will come and trust Him as their Saviour. Acts 4:12 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%204:12;&version=49;); John 6:37 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%206:37;&version=49;); 10:27-30 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2010:27-30;&version=49;).
Membership or faith in a church does not secure salvation for anyone, but trust Christ and Him alone and you will be saved for all eternity!
The Truth About Roman Catholicism (http://www.fundamentalbiblechurch.org/Tracts/fbctruth.htm)
Purgatory produces a gospel of works extended into the afterlife. Not content to live a life of Semi-Pelagian heresy in this world, they extend it into the next. "The moment a coin in the coffer pings, out from purgatory a sinner springs." No wonder Luther penned his angry theses.
The value of purgatory is that of all creative fiction; it forms a framework for a Christian parable. It is not to be confused with Christian doctrine, wherein it forms the framework for damnation--as all heresy ultimately does. Purgatory must lead men away from God because it leads men away from the cross. But do not let it be said that we are not imaginative men:
Perhaps there is a purgatory. Perhaps there is this intermediate place "where the souls of those who die in the state of grace, but not free from all imperfection, make expiation for unforgiven venial sins or for the temporal punishment due to venial and mortal sins that have already been forgiven. . . "
Perhaps being forgiven of our sins does not really mean that we are forgiven by Christ at all.
Perhaps Christ's work on our behalf wasn't enough.
Perhaps there are a hundred strange, absurd doctrines not found in the Bible.
Perhaps all people who purposely sing off key will be ushered into heaven at the Second Coming.
Perhaps the wearing of a piece of blessed brown cloth around your neck will entitle you to special treatment from the Almighty--you know, a kind of "This coupon entitles you to Eternal Life" special.
Perhaps giving money, or lighting candles, or buying indulgences, or saying prayers, or making pilgrimages can work off a debt to God.
Perhaps God accepts a line of credit: just make your easy monthly payments to the Bank of the Rock, and all will be well.
Perhaps all this is true and our ancient Biblical faith is false.
For if this is true, then clearly the Bible is in error. Call this new faith whatever you want, but don't call it Christianity. Call this ancient error what you will; but don't call it the Apostolic tradition.
Purging a Problem: Why the Heresy of Purgatory is so Appealing (http://www.solagratia.org/Articles/Purging_a_Problem_Why_the_Heresy_of_Purgatory_is_s o_Appealing.aspx)
Most importantly, the clear Bible way for man to be forgiven has been changed by the Catholic church. Catholics, since childhood are taught that to get to heaven one must keep the sacraments, the mass, and do good works. This is different from the Bible's definition of the gospel.
Question: What is the gospel?
Answer: “I declare unto you the gospel...how that Christ died for our sins...that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day, according to the scriptures…” (1 Corinthians 15:1-4).
The Gospel message saves us: “…the gospel of Christ...is the power of God unto salvation, to every one that believeth” (Romans 1:16). Therefore the gospel message is that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again. We are saved when we believe this message and receive Christ as our Saviour. This means that we must trust Christ's blood sacrifice on the cross as being the full payment for all our sins.
Paul strongly warns against preaching or believing “another gospel” (Galatians 1:6-9). “If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, LET HIM BE ACCURSED” (Galatians 1:9).
What is so ironic is that the Roman Catholic church has actually placed a curse upon anyone who believes the Bible teaching of salvation by faith alone. At the Council of Trent (1545-1563), the declarations of which are still in force, the Roman Catholic Church formally condemned the biblical teaching by saying: “If anyone says that justifying faith is nothing else than confidence in divine mercy, which remits sins for Christ's sake, or that it is this confidence alone that justifies us, let him be anathema (cursed).”
Compare this to what the Bible says about salvation:
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast” (Ephesians 2:8-9).
“Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost” (Titus 3:5).
“Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified” (Gal 2:16).The Bible teaches that no amount of good works can save us. By believing that good works brings forgiveness, one can never be 100% sure that they have eternal life. Let me ask you, dear reader, do you know that you have eternal life? The Bible says we may know this: “He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; THAT YE MAY KNOW that ye have eternal life…” (I John 5:12-13).
Wrong Gospel (http://www.bethanybaptist.org.au/catholic_church.htm)
In today’s spirit of ecumenism, many evangelicals have called for the Protestant Church to lay aside its differences with Rome and pursue unity with the Catholic Church.
Is that possible?
Is Roman Catholicism simply another facet of the body of Christ that should be brought into union with its Protestant counterpart?
Is Roman Catholicism simply another Christian denomination?
While there are many errors in the teaching of the Catholic Church (for example its belief in the transubstantiation of the communion wafer and its view of Mary), two rise to the forefront and call for special attention: its denial of the doctrine of sola Scriptura and its denial of the biblical teaching on justification.
To put it simply, because the Roman Catholic Church has refused to submit itself to the authority of God’s Word and to embrace the gospel of justification taught in Scripture, it has set itself apart from the true body of Christ. It is a false and deceptive form of Christianity.
Is Roman Catholicism Biblical? By John MacArthur (http://www.gty.org/resources.php?section=articles&aid=231224)
In RCism faith in Christ alone is not sufficient for salvation. It is also necessary that one keep the Ten Commandments, be baptised, become a member of the RCc and partake regularly of it's sacraments.
It is not Jesus alone but Jesus plus all these other things. Significantly all these other RC things are practically identical to the Judaiser’s system and teachings.
The religious system of superstitions, rituals and legalisms that is RCism is described in Galatians to a tee.
The strong influence of Catholic mysticism has helped immensely to transform the New Age Movement from being merely a counter-culture sub-culture to becoming a new source of spiritual vision for the world. Catholic mysticism has very effectively and subtly invaded many facets of life without being recognized or critically examined.
This has been actively promoted through self-help medical, educational and psychological programs, employing methods such as meditation, philosophical programming, and self-hypnotic contemplation.
In melding Eastern subjective spirituality with Western self-assurance, Catholic mysticism has done much to effectively hijack public and private religious life and to invert core beliefs and values of the West.
The Mystic Plague: Catholicism sets a Spiritualist Agenda (http://www.endtimeissues.com/articles/164/Catholicism-Sets-a-Spiritualistic-Agenda-The-Mystic-Plague/)
The real problem with the RCC is that it teaches another gospel: fear, guilt and rules. . .
We do not believe biblical Christianity and Roman Catholicism are compatible. Rome's history is one of suppression of the truths of the Gospel and their replacement with a religious system which bound people up with dead works in the vain attempt to earn salvation and brought them into submission to a corrupted clergy.
The major false doctrines of Roman Catholicism which the Reformation opposed are:
1. Justification by works. BUT the Bible teaches we are saved by faith in the work of Jesus Christ dying as a sacrifice for our sins. (Ephesians 2:8-10) (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/index.php?search=ephesians%202:8-10&version1=49).
2. Baptismal regeneration - that a baby becomes a Christian through being baptised. BUT the Bible teaches that we must be 'born again' (John 3:5-8 ) (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%203.5-8%20;&version=49;) through repentance and faith in what Jesus Christ has done for us, after which we are baptised. (Acts 2:38 ) (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%202.38;&version=49;)
3. Worship of images. BUT the 10 commandments which forbid idolatry remain valid for Christians. Exodus 3:4-6 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%202.38;&version=49;), Romans 1:18-25 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%203.4-6;&version=49;)
4. Celibacy - forbidding priests to marry, thus creating a distinction between the priesthood and the laity. BUT the Bible teaches the priesthood of all believers (1 Peter 2:4-10 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%201.18-25;&version=49;), Revelation 5.10 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%205.10;&version=49;)). Peter, considered falsely to be the first Pope, had a wife and enforced celibacy is described as a 'doctrine of demons.' 1 Corinthians 9.5 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%209.5;&version=49;), 1 Timothy 4.3 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Timothy%204.3;&version=49;).
5. Confessionalism - where sins are confessed to a priest who then declares absolution for those sins. BUT the Bible teaches that we confess our sins to God and receive forgiveness through the blood of Jesus. 1 John 1:5-2:2 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20John%201.5-2.2;&version=49;).
6. Purgatory - a place which is neither heaven nor hell, BUT a place where one has to be refined before going to heaven. But in the Bible there is only heaven and hell and those who are saved in this life need no further refinement. Matthew 25:46 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2025.46;&version=49;), Revelation 21:1-8 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2021.1-8;&version=49;).
7. Transubstantiation - the concept of the continual and perpetual sacrifice of Christ through the Mass. BUT the Bible teaches that Christ's sacrifice was complete and that the communion or the Lord's supper is the remembrance of that sacrifice. Hebrews 9:28 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews%209.28;&version=49;), 1 Corinthians 11:23-32 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%2011.23-32;&version=49;).
8. Indulgences - where through the giving of money a person's time in purgatory could be reduced. BUT since there is no such place as purgatory, this became a trick to deceive people into giving money to the church in the Middle Ages. There is no way that we can buy favour with God. 1 Peter 1:18-19 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%2011.23-32;&version=49;).
9. Penance - involving the torment of one's body in order to reduce time in purgatory. BUT Christ died for our sins, the just for the unjust in order that we might be redeemed to God.
10. Mariolatry - the worship of the virgin Mary, her elevation to the 'mother of God' and the declaration of her deity. BUT this is the importing of the Babylonian system of the worship of the goddess, 'Queen of heaven' into Christianity. Mary was in fact a faithful Jewish woman called Miriam who played a vital role in bringing Jesus into the world through the miracle of the virgin birth. After this she had other children in the natural way and was a believer in Jesus. There is no other mediator between God and man except the Lord Jesus. 1 Timothy 2.5 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=%201%20Timothy%202.5.;&version=49;).
We do not believe biblical Christianity and Roman Catholicism are compatible. (http://www.lightforthelastdays.co.uk/docs/deception_church/catholicism.html)
Ten Reasons why Christians and Catholics Don't Agree (http://www.faithdefenders.com/ministry/articles/world_religions/roman_catholicism/Ten+Reasons+Why+Christians+and+Catholics+Do+Not+Ag ree.htm)
A Biblical Refutation of Roman Catholicism by Brian Schwertley (http://www.entrewave.com/view/reformedonline/A%20Biblical%20Refutation%20of%20Roman%20Catholici sm.htm)
Roman Catholicism And Catholic Doctrine Exposed (http://a-christian.net/cgi-bin/links/jump2.cgi?ID=10600)
Apologetics Index: RCism (http://www.apologeticsindex.org/c16.html)
Are Some Roman Catholics Saved? (http://www.chick.com/bc/1986/arecatholicssaved.asp?wpc=arecatholicssaved.asp&wpp=a)
The 'Church' verses the Book (http://www.biblebc.com/Roman%20Catholicism/BookvsCatholic.html)
A Biblical Evaluation of the Roman Catholic Church (http://users.bigpond.net.au/joeflorence/catholicism.htm)
How could the Catholic church teachings be completely opposite of what the Bible taught? One of these two had to be wrong, because they BOTH couldn’t be right. They were diametrically opposed to one another! I finally began to share these things with my wife and she confessed that she had always felt something “wasn’t quite right with the Catholic teachings” that she had also been raised with. I was shocked! I had NEVER questioned Rome and Her teachings. She WAS the Church, the Only ONE TRUE Church. She taught that there was NO SALVATION outside of her. If you weren’t a Catholic, you were going to Hell—it was just that simple.
Did we dare to keep talking about these things? We had both been raised Catholic in New Orleans. All of our extended family was Catholic. We had two priests at our wedding, our sons were both baptized at the church she and I had grown up in. We were actually questioning the Church we had loved, respected and believed for a lifetime. Could all those Sisters and Brothers and priests that had taught us been wrong? Did they see what we were seeing? Did they even read their Bibles? Surely they had taken the time to compare what the teachings of the Church were as compared to the Holy Scripture---or had they?
Then my wife told me the details of her night at the Christian Women’s conference. She had heard the Gospel message, for the first time, and she had repented of her sins and believed in the promises Jesus stated in the Bible. She was “saved”! She had done exactly what I had just been reading in the Book of Romans. She called upon the Lord and the transaction had occurred!
Stan Weber's Christian Testimony (June 1993) (http://stanweber.com/_wsn/page4.html)
He's Real
01-22-2007, 12:29 AM
Wow Sid.
I grew up Catholic. I sure am glad I found Jesus. I could never have bought enough candles to buy my way out of purgatory.
I grew up Catholic. I sure am glad I found Jesus. I could never have bought enough candles to buy my way out of purgatory.
He's Real:
It is the rare Christian who understands both the Gospel of Grace and RCism.
. . . probably the reason why many exCatholics are among those few.
The RCC has a veneer of truth, but has major problems with BAD THEOLOGY:
The RCC denies that Jesus' sacrifice on Calvary was wholly, perfectly, and eternally sufficient for salvation.
The RCC's obsession with everything Mary leads to a morass of bad theology and practice.
The RCC claims that it's sacred deposit of oral tradition stand as the equal of the Scriptures.
The RCC's amillennialism and promotions of Mary can not be derived from the Scriptures.
The RCC teaches a sacramental system of salvation.
The RCC can make excuses for every scandal or shortcoming but since it claims to be the One True Church, it cannot excuse BAD THEOLOGY.
He's Real
01-23-2007, 08:15 PM
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I grew up Catholic. I sure am glad I found Jesus. I could never have bought enough candles to buy my way out of purgatory.
He's Real:
It is the rare Christian who understands both the Gospel of Grace and RCism.
. . . probably the reason why many exCatholics are among those few.[quote]
I hope you didn't mistake what I was saying. I fully reject the RCC and it's teachings and now I rely fully on what Christ did for me on Calvary. Grace, fogiveness, repentance, freedom from sin's bondage along with direct fellowship with God. Did I fail to mention my freedom from the RCC itself and the seperation from God it caused in my life?
I hope you didn't mistake what I was saying. I fully reject the RCC and it's teachings and now I rely fully on what Christ did for me on Calvary. Grace, fogiveness, repentance, freedom from sin's bondage along with direct fellowship with God. Did I fail to mention my freedom from the RCC itself and the seperation from God it caused in my life?
He's Real:
I got you, loud and clear.
The RCC claims to be the One True Church, but in reality is a hindrance to the Gospel.
He's Real
01-24-2007, 09:42 AM
Yes Sir,
It's amazing how little my family knows about Jesus. To them it's all about Christmas, Easter, and going to mass. I don't think my family has ever opened the Bible to see what God says about those events. Heck...If I wouldn't have given them a family Bible for Christmas some years back they wouldn't even have one now. I doubt they've ever even read it. But they thought it was nice......
If your parents are Christians and they raised you as such and you've made the decision to make Christ your Lord and Saviour then I suggest you get on your knees and thank God for them, honor them, and continuously thank them for their witness in you life. You may not realize what a treasure you've had in them.
kay-gee
01-24-2007, 10:10 AM
Hello guys! Permit me to come at this from a different angle. Where in the bible is authorization given for the plurality of denominations that exist in the world today? Jesus said he was going to build A church that even Hell was not going to be able to stop. I see nowhere in scripture Where He said "I'm going to build a million churches, pick the flavour you like!" At the time Paul wrote Ephesians He made the claim that there was ONE body, and ONE faith so it stands to reason that THE Church Jesus spoke of was in exsistence at the time of the writing of that epistle. this was at least 2 centuries before the Roman digression began. My question to you gentlemen, is this: Where is THIS church today? Can it not exist today if we throw off all shackles of man made creeds and traditions and simply use the new testament as our pattern for faith, practice and worship. Just a log on the fire for this thread. please keep the discussion of this going. It's very important for all of us!!! All the best!
CoreIssue
01-24-2007, 11:18 AM
Paul actually forbid division in the Body. Said it was destructive and didn't follow Christ, but the doctrines of the men who created the divisions.
The Church Jesus spoke of was the totality of all saints. It is not contained in a building, a denomination or any such label. It is found in the unity of the binding together of believers by Christ via the Holy Spirit.
RC was far from the first such split/denomination.
But I don't view RC as a split from the Body. I see it as a virus, perversion, or whatever term you want to use, of Roman paganism invading a segment of the body and corrupting it. Making it diseased.
John is very clear, in Revelation, that God hates RC. And will destroy it.
As for the rest of denominations, I believe any student of the Bible and history can see the formation of any denomination has always watered down the Body, even killed segments of it.
The purist Church has always been found in the non-denomination, independent, no complex formal Statement of Beliefs, little churches, scattered throughout the world.
Paul actually forbid division in the Body. Said it was destructive and didn't follow Christ, but the doctrines of the men who created the divisions.
CI:
The Roman Catholic Church insists on painting the Reformation as a revolt against their legitimate authority.
The RCC's basic problem with theology is that it rejects confidence in what Christ has done and replaces it with stuff that Catholics can do for themselves.
So the choice is between what the Bible says and place your faith in Jesus Christ and Him only to save you. . .
. . . or you can trust what the RCC teaches and try to observe it's religious requirements and rituals.
You cannot trust both Christ and your own actions.
The central human question is: How can sinful men stand before a holy God and live? That question had become a consuming personal issue for Luther: How can I, Martin Luther, a sinful and miserable man, stand before God and live?
The official answer the Roman Catholic church gave--that God infuses the required righteousness into the hearts of the faithful--troubled Luther.
In theory, the church's answer meant personal righteousness. In practice it meant works.
No one in all of Christendom was more fervent in seeking salvation than the monk Luther, yet he could not find the required righteousness within himself. All his prayers, masses, penance, fasting, and good works could not merit the favor of God. Luther was a lost soul, and he knew it.
Then, while studying the Bible, Luther discovered the idea that men are not saved by church rituals or good works, but through faith alone: The just shall live by faith. He read the Apostle Paul's letters to the Romans and the Galatians, where Paul taught that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.
Now Luther understood how God provided salvation for his people, and his understanding would change the world forever.
Civilization And The Protestant Reformation (http://gospelpedlar.com/articles/Church%20History/reformation.html)
Catholic theologians uphold the principle of salvation on the basis of God’s grace but what do they mean? The phrase by God’s grace is critical. The Roman Catholic sees God’s grace everywhere, and so inflates the concept of grace as to make it meaningless! It is well documented that God’s grace can be construed by Rome as God allowing us to suffer for our own sins! Incredibly, Rome says we must, by the grace of God, discharge the debt of sin by suffering!
By God’s grace we can have a shorter stay in Purgatory! By God’s grace we can be regenerated in the Catholic sacrament of baptism! By God’s grace we can acquire more grace through the eating of Christ’s actual body and drinking of His actual blood in the Catholic eucharist! By God’s grace we can earn indulgences, buy Masses for the dearly departed and go directly to Mary to ask a favor of the Son!
In the first place, no one accuses Rome of begin justified on the basis of their own raw, inherent, non-baptized works! What we do accuse Rome of is proclaiming a gospel of salvation based upon faith plus grace produced works stemming from participation in Rome’s sacramental system. This faith plus grace induced works gospel is foreign to the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Not All That Glitters is Grace: An Examination of Roman Catholic Grace (http://www.sxws.com/cwrc-rz/articles/article-002.php)
CoreIssue
04-28-2007, 08:18 PM
Yep. The best phrase I heard was 'God's grace allows that works that save.'
kay-gee
05-31-2007, 10:03 AM
Gentlemen, it's important not to through the baby out with the bath water, so to speak. James says that "faith without works is dead". The reformers in their zeal to overturn RC, went to the complete other extreme, claiming that absolutely zippo is required of man. This heresy has probably cost more souls than anything else. Jesus said "if you love me, you will keep my commandments" also "if you abide in my words then, you are my disciples indeed" Sometimes the keeping the commandments of Christ involve some physical involvement on the part of the Christian, and may appear to be works. Thats just the way it is. To teach people to "just believe" nothing required of you, is very dangerous, and a gross misuse of Paul's writings. Paul's faith produced a "work" in his life that would shame most of us. He considered what He did as "work"........all the best.........
CoreIssue
05-31-2007, 12:15 PM
Gentlemen, it's important not to through the baby out with the bath water, so to speak. James says that "faith without works is dead". The reformers in their zeal to overturn RC, went to the complete other extreme, claiming that absolutely zippo is required of man.
It is talking about sanctification. The results of salvation IS works.
If not works then one was not saved to begin with, were they?
The Bible says works nulify grace. And they do. A gift is not earned, it is given without cost.
We are also told if any works played a role, then people could boast. But they cannot since they do not.
Yes, things are required of saints. But nothing but faith by grace is required for salvation.
You need to learn the difference between sanctification and salvation.
This heresy has probably cost more souls than anything else.
Salvation by works is the heresy.
Jesus said "if you love me, you will keep my commandments" also "if you abide in my words then, you are my disciples indeed"
Which has nothing to do with salvation. It is sanctification.
Jesus also said many would stand before him at the White Throne declaring their works for him. But he will cast them into the Lake because they tried to earn their way.
Sometimes the keeping the commandments of Christ involve some physical involvement on the part of the Christian, and may appear to be works. Thats just the way it is. To teach people to "just believe" nothing required of you, is very dangerous, and a gross misuse of Paul's writings. Paul's faith produced a "work" in his life that would shame most of us. He considered what He did as "work"........all the best.........
I will never cease to teach 'just believe' for salvation.
But, if you don't understand I also push sound doctrine and not sitting on your duff, I am stunned.
RC ritual, traditions, law, works and such, declared to be needed to be saved, IS what lands many in Hell.
kay-gee
05-31-2007, 11:19 PM
Faith without works is DEAD! If by faith you are saved, then it naturally follows that a dead faith isn't saving! No amount of Greek and scholar-ism is going to explain away scriptures that are that clear. Sorry!...........all the best.....
CoreIssue
06-01-2007, 12:25 PM
Faith without works is DEAD! If by faith you are saved, then it naturally follows that a dead faith isn't saving! No amount of Greek and scholar-ism is going to explain away scriptures that are that clear. Sorry!...........all the best.....
Good night, KG, you are not paying attention!
I have SAID that time after time.
Catholicism believes you are NOT saved by Faith Alone. They add works to Faith and Grace, which nulifies salvation as a gift.
NOTHING any Catholic, you or I can do will save us. NOTHING!
But once saved, works is a RESULT of faith. Not a condtion to gain faith.
What you are saying adds works to faith for salvation.
ANYONE who works for salvation will never achieve it. They have put their solid faith and trust in Christ to forgive them, via mercy.
It is ego to think one contributes to their salvation.
kay-gee
06-01-2007, 06:42 PM
Define work. give an example..........................................a tb
CoreIssue
06-02-2007, 01:07 PM
Define work. give an example..........................................a tb
Strong's Number: 2038 Browse Lexicon (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/browse.cgi?number=2038&version=kjv) Original WordWord Originejraunavwmiddle voice from (2041 (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=2041&version=kjv))Transliterated WordTDNT (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=2038&version=kjv#Legend) EntryErgazomai2:635,251Phonetic SpellingParts of Speecher-gad'-zom-ahee http://bible.crosswalk.com/images/audio.gif (http://bible.crosswalk.com/cgi-bin/lexicon.pl?id=2038g) Verb Definition
to work, labour, do work
to trade, to make gains by trading, "do business"
to do, work out
exercise, perform, commit
to cause to exist, produce
to work for, earn by working, to acquire
Grace means 'gift.'
A work is not grace. Grace is not work.
Work results from grace. Grace does not result from work.
Romans 11
6And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.[c (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=52&chapter=11&version=31&context=chapter#fen-NIV-28201c)]
Many will stand before Christ declaring their teaching, preaching, miracles and such in Christ's name. He will reject them because they never repented by faith through grace, but depended on their works.
kay-gee
06-03-2007, 01:37 AM
And all this time, I thought you were opposed to "easy believe-ism"!
all the best.......
CoreIssue
06-03-2007, 11:53 AM
And all this time, I thought you were opposed to "easy believe-ism"!
all the best.......
I am.
You do not understand the differences, it is very appararent.
Easy Believism would be just say there is a God and a Christ, believe what you will and it is enough for God.
It isn't. That is a fast ticket to Hell.
Salvation is easy. Getting to it is very hard because it requires one to understand and reach a point of willing repentence that does not come easily to human nature.
One does not reach the point where they will genuinely repent by faith through grace easily. It requires knowing self-pride and such will keep you from God. It requires knowing you must throw yourself totally on the mercy of God.
Beleiving in self works is much easier than such surrender.
That has always been a big appeal of RCC. Surely such pomp, acts of piety, self sacrifce of works and following Law earns one into Heaven.
it is a false piety. A lie that allows self pride, ego and I will get there of my own effort to rule one.
A Catholic will get all ruffled if you suggest they think they are earning their own way. "Oh, no, it is by God's grace it happens!" you will be told.
They believe their works save them. Plain and simple.
God just enables them to earn it.
kay-gee
06-03-2007, 09:08 PM
Core, I would be interested to know how you deal with Phillipians 2:12 "work out your salvation with fear and trembling" It appears we get it by grace yet we still have to "work" it out.............all the best...........
CoreIssue
06-03-2007, 09:28 PM
Core, I would be interested to know how you deal with Phillipians 2:12 "work out your salvation with fear and trembling" It appears we get it by grace yet we still have to "work" it out.............all the best...........
As the Bible says. the fruit of salvation is works for God. So I work out my salvation working for God.
You see, work out does not mean what you think it means in the Greek. The word translated does not mean work, it means 'out' in the context of taking what is and working out the results.
Strong's Number: 2716 Browse Lexicon (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/browse.cgi?number=2716&version=kjv) Original WordWord Originkatergavzomaifrom (2596 (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=2596&version=kjv)) and (2038 (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=2038&version=kjv))Transliterated WordTDNT (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=2716&version=kjv#Legend) EntryKatergazomai3:634,421Phonetic SpellingParts of Speechkat-er-gad'-zom-ahee http://bible.crosswalk.com/images/audio.gif (http://bible.crosswalk.com/cgi-bin/lexicon.pl?id=2716g) Verb Definition
to perform, accomplish, achieve
to work out i.e. to do that from which something results
of things: bring about, result in
to fashion i.e. render one fit for a thing
You peform you salvation via works.
That is fully in agreement with the idea that faith without works means their is no faith to begin with.
And in complete harmony in if salvation were by works it would not be by grace.
Gift of salvation = works as a fruit thereof.
kay-gee
06-04-2007, 08:44 AM
Agreed.....................all the best.........
As the Bible says. the fruit of salvation is works for God. So I work out my salvation working for God.
You see, work out does not mean what you think it means in the Greek. The word translated does not mean work, it means 'out' in the context of taking what is and working out the results.
And in complete harmony in if salvation were by works it would not be by grace.
Gift of salvation = works as a fruit thereof.
RCism is based on the myth that if we do more and try harder we will be able to manipulate and obligate God into accepting our good deeds as at least partial payment for our salvation.
kay-gee
06-07-2007, 02:08 PM
I believe "grace" is a mis-understood word in todays church world. We are saved by grace. The whole plan of salvation is by the grace of God, seeing as He is the eternal creator. He could have easily spoken the word and fried us out of existence but He didn't. Those who are born into Christ are called to a life of obedience. The gospel is not only to be believed but obeyed. (1st Peter 4:17) Holy spirit given to the obedient (acts 5:32). The phrase well done good and faithful servant" applies to those who serve. all the best....
Jessie
06-07-2007, 02:22 PM
Define work. give an example..........................................a tb
Strong's Number: 2038 Browse Lexicon (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/browse.cgi?number=2038&version=kjv)Original WordWord Originejraunavwmiddle voice from (2041 (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=2041&version=kjv))Transliterated WordTDNT (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=2038&version=kjv#Legend) EntryErgazomai2:635,251Phonetic SpellingParts of Speecher-gad'-zom-ahee http://bible.crosswalk.com/images/audio.gif (http://bible.crosswalk.com/cgi-bin/lexicon.pl?id=2038g) Verb Definition
to work, labour, do work
to trade, to make gains by trading, "do business"
to do, work out
exercise, perform, commit
to cause to exist, produce
to work for, earn by working, to acquire
Grace means 'gift.'
A work is not grace. Grace is not work.
Work results from grace. Grace does not result from work.
Romans 11
6And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.[c (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=52&chapter=11&version=31&context=chapter#fen-NIV-28201c)]
Many will stand before Christ declaring their teaching, preaching, miracles and such in Christ's name. He will reject them because they never repented by faith through grace, but depended on their works.
your last quote. thats so scary! :aah:
that people would have the adacity to do that.
we are NOTHING. we can only do anything because of Him.
we do because we love Him.
CoreIssue
06-07-2007, 08:03 PM
I believe "grace" is a mis-understood word in todays church world. We are saved by grace. The whole plan of salvation is by the grace of God, seeing as He is the eternal creator. He could have easily spoken the word and fried us out of existence but He didn't. Those who are born into Christ are called to a life of obedience. The gospel is not only to be believed but obeyed. (1st Peter 4:17) Holy spirit given to the obedient (acts 5:32). The phrase well done good and faithful servant" applies to those who serve. all the best....
Agree.
But it is misunderstood in two extremes.
One being one has to do nothing if they repent. Done deal and just live one's life.
Second is that grace hinges on doing works, do them or you don't get it.
Both extremes are deadly.
kay-gee
06-07-2007, 11:08 PM
As they are in most things. It is a tough one. I struggle all the time with it. I get this sense that I am not doing something that I should, or not doing enough. If I decline giving a derelict some money, or some little thing like that, I get by myself somewhere and tremble, fearing that the Lord has removed me from His lamp stand. I have come to recognize that the devil is behind it trying to create doubt thru fear. Can we ever really know absolute 100% that we are saved till we hear those words "well done good and faithful servant? I don't know. help! all the best....
CoreIssue
06-08-2007, 12:07 AM
As they are in most things. It is a tough one. I struggle all the time with it.
Common issue.
I get this sense that I am not doing something that I should, or not doing enough.
You are not alone.
If I decline giving a derelict some money, or some little thing like that, I get by myself somewhere and tremble, fearing that the Lord has removed me from His lamp stand.
You shouldn't.
We are to be wise stewards in our giving. Meaning not just toss it around arbitrarily.
God guides us in such. And we can find many we KNOW need help legitimately.
Because some is derelict does not automatically mean they should be given to.
Yep, it is hard.
I have come to recognize that the devil is behind it trying to create doubt thru fear.
Not always.
Sorry, but it is pet annoyance, for me, blaming Satan for being there. He rarely is.
But don't misunderstand, I mean there are more than enough demons to do damage.
Plus blaming things outside of us. We are more than capable of messing it up on our own, in most cases.
Can we ever really know absolute 100% that we are saved till we hear those words "well done good and faithful servant? I don't know. help! all the best....
Truly a hard one.
One CAN know by truthfully studying and learning EXACTLY what the Bible literally says on the subject.
But humans are also very capable of deceiving themselves and not paying attention to the red flags that should be alerts.
kay-gee
06-08-2007, 01:35 PM
I am more motivated by hell than I am by heaven. My fear of burning forever terrified me into becoming a Christian in the first place. Human touchstones I guess. I have seen fire. felt it. I know what it can do. I think of blast furnaces and coke ovens. Imagine living in there forever. Even worse dealing with the pride and regret, that you could have changed your destiny very easily, but didn't. I still fear it, though I understand Romans 8 and all that. Its my human limitation. You see, I am not as able to see oceans made of gold, Cities made of precious stones. Never seen absolute peace and tranquility. Not as easy to relate to, for me at any rate........all the best....
CoreIssue
06-08-2007, 09:37 PM
Well, I have worked on a blast furnace. And it is worse than you can imagine.
As for the NJ, I can picture it, but I know its reality will blow away that picture as pale in comparison.
I understand the fear issue. But even in beginning in fear, that fades over time to embracing the love and mercy of Christ.
To make Christ something other than God incarnate is to diminish him.
What a sacrfice! Immortal taking on mortality. God of the universe becoming subject to the rule of very vile men. Dying for such pathetic things as us to raise us to something glorious.
The penacle of existence becoming so small in comparison.
kay-gee
06-08-2007, 09:48 PM
Agree
kay-gee
06-09-2007, 12:39 PM
To RCs credit though, they have really stood up for some of society's moral issues. Things the mainstream Protestant denoms are too lily-livered to do. In Canada at least, when the same sex controversy was raging, The head Bishop threatened to ex-communicate half the government including prime minister, who were catholic french Canadians. That impressed me. Also abortion and some other things. I've heard that in Ireland, There is no legal divorces. I'm sure, that benefits society in a way. I only dismay that they fail to live up to their own high standards, in the sexual sense if you know what I mean....all the best...
CoreIssue
06-09-2007, 01:29 PM
To RCs credit though, they have really stood up for some of society's moral issues.
So have Mormons and other cults.
What has that got to do with bad theology? Which is this thread topic.
Things the mainstream Protestant denoms are too lily-livered to do.
Not the topic here.
In Canada at least, when the same sex controversy was raging, The head Bishop threatened to ex-communicate half the government including prime minister, who were catholic french Canadians. That impressed me.
So what?
This isn't about social issues. It is about sound doctrine.
Also abortion and some other things. I've heard that in Ireland, There is no legal divorces. I'm sure, that benefits society in a way. I only dismay that they fail to live up to their own high standards, in the sexual sense if you know what I mean....all the best...
Again, what has any of this got to do RCC bad doctrine?
Mormons and other cults do more than the RCC. Doesn't make them Godly.
kay-gee
06-09-2007, 05:46 PM
My oh my...Testy!........
CoreIssue
06-09-2007, 07:40 PM
My oh my...Testy!........
Not being testy. Just trying to stay on topic.
Which is the RCC has really bad theology. In its purest form constituting being a cult.
kay-gee
06-09-2007, 09:55 PM
I see RCC as an abominable, Scripture twisting, idol worshiping, murderous, money and power grubbing, soul damning cult! There, I said it out loud and I mean it too! Now do something for me...CHEER UP!........please........all the best.......
CoreIssue
06-09-2007, 10:00 PM
I see RCC as an abominable, Scripture twisting, idol worshiping, murderous, money and power grubbing, soul damning cult! There, I said it out loud and I mean it too! Now do something for me...CHEER UP!........please........all the best.......
:roflmbo: You don't get it. I am not morbid or unhappy about this.
I am simply discussing reality.
By the way, glad you hear your opinion. It is very accurate.
Why didn't you just say that to start with? ;)
kay-gee
06-10-2007, 06:44 PM
The threads would be too short with no discussion!.......all the best...
CoreIssue
06-10-2007, 07:29 PM
The threads would be too short with no discussion!.......all the best...
:blink:
Chrystalwuzhere
07-29-2007, 10:38 AM
I see RCC as an abominable, Scripture twisting, idol worshiping, murderous, money and power grubbing, soul damning cult! There, I said it out loud and I mean it too! Now do something for me...CHEER UP!........please........all the best.......
I see RCC as an abominable, Scripture twisting, idol worshiping, murderous, money and power grubbing, soul damning cult! There, I said it out loud and I mean it too! Now do something for me...CHEER UP!........please........all the best.......
By the way, glad you hear your opinion. It is very accurate.
Why didn't you just say that to start with? ;)
The threads would be too short with no discussion!.......all the best...
The threads would be too short with no discussion!.......all the best...
:blink:
Oh! Bwa ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!
:pound:
:roflmbo:
:lol:
Chrystalwuzhere
07-29-2007, 10:40 AM
I'm still going -------> :rofl:
You guys, I tell ya! :catfight:
CoreIssue
07-29-2007, 03:07 PM
:BigSmile:
BereanGal
09-10-2007, 05:34 PM
I was raised RC and I thank God He has saved me out of that religion. I fell away from the church as a teenager -- did my own thing for years, and when I was in the "pit of hell on earth" is when Jesus returned to find me. I was witnessed to, started reading the bible, and couldn't believe how the Catholic doctrines I was taught were contrary to scripture. I am the first member of my family to leave the RC church. And that's a big thing to my family because my ancestors are all from Rome and for MANY generations everyone was raised RC.
I also believe the RCC is the harlot church spoken of in revelations.
CoreIssue
09-10-2007, 05:52 PM
I was raised RC and I thank God He has saved me out of that religion. I fell away from the church as a teenager -- did my own thing for years, and when I was in the "pit of hell on earth" is when Jesus returned to find me. I was witnessed to, started reading the bible, and couldn't believe how the Catholic doctrines I was taught were contrary to scripture. I am the first member of my family to leave the RC church. And that's a big thing to my family because my ancestors are all from Rome and for MANY generations everyone was raised RC.
I also believe the RCC is the harlot church spoken of in revelations.
That is rough.
Having dealt with cult members, RCC and so on, it is a very hard and personal thing to leave.
Good for you to put truth over conformity.
And yep. The Harlot religion: ancient Roman Paganism, Roman 'Christianity.' which is nothing more than the Paganism cloaked in Christianity and the future AC return to the pagan godkind worship.
cbressler1976
09-10-2007, 07:35 PM
off topic I know...but I thought that when you wrote rcisms....that the topic was about racisms only problem...I was like...what in the world?? then I read it the thread and fealt very stupid!! lol:whacky40:
BereanGal
09-12-2007, 10:37 AM
Roman paganism is the perfect description of the RCC. All the idols (statues), praying to saints, etc. I remember as a kid I was told to say a prayer to St. Anthony if I lost something and couldn't find it. So I would say it over and over again as I was looking for whatever I lost.
Even to this day when I'm looking for something, that prayer pops in my head and I have to cast it down in Jesus name, it's like the RCC near brainwashed me, lol.
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