U.S. Sen. Barack Obama, D-IL looks forward to Presidential Election '08

[Sid]

Barack Obama is a savvy, charismatic, articulate liberal who could very well be the Democratic Party’s best hope for recapturing the White House. His background is intriguingly diverse. Born in Hawaii in 1961 to a black father and a white mother, his early education took place in the most densely populated Islamic country in the world, Indonesia. He holds an undergraduate degree from Columbia and a law degree from Harvard, where he was the first black president of the Harvard Law Review.

But let’s take a look at just where he stands on a few of the key issues:



Abortion — Barack Obama is a radical, pro-abortion liberal. He believes that American women should have an unfettered right to destroy the babies in their wombs at any stage and for any reason.



Gun Control — Again, Obama is among the more extreme members of the U.S. Senate. In the last year, he has voted against shielding firearms manufacturers from lawsuits due to gun violence and in favor of legislation that would ban the sale or transfer of any and all semi-automatic firearms.



Health Care — Obama has said he believes that health care is a basic human right. (Funny, I must have missed that one in the Bill of Rights.)



Immigration — As an Illinois state senator in 1998, Obama voted to give welfare and Medicaid to immigrants.



Judges — Obama voted against the nominations of both John Roberts and Samuel Alito to the U.S. Supreme Court, and participated in the filibuster of Alito.



National Security — The junior senator from Illinois voted against reauthorization of the USA Patriot Act.



Obama is smart enough to dance around these votes should he decide to run for president, cloaking his liberal positions in reasonable sounding rhetoric about a new generation with new ideas, etc., but he is also liberal enough to be the most dangerous man in America if he is elected.




The Most Dangerous Man In America (http://www.conservativetruth.org/article.php?id=3620&PHPSESSID=06c0bf8d9f947a2232e4179d265918d8)

[Sid]

This thread deserves a second look. . . BO has been in office less than 2 weeks and his presidency is already looking like Carter's second term.

[InTheWind]

He`ll be the worse prez the country has ever had . :nod:

[Sid]

So far, the only unifying that Obama has accomplished is he has unified the Republicans and made an (.) out of himself attacking Rush Limbaugh, Dubya was attacked daily by the liberals and their media, but rarely gave them the time of day. . . composure and class personified.

His pathetic attempt to marginalize or demonize Rush is a hoot. . . I love it when Rush, Glenn Beck or Shaun Hannity expose him for the empty suit he is.

His porkulus plan will assure that his presidency will be known as Carter's second term. http://images.yuku.com/image/gif/7ff1594c7c912ca4aa2bedb61cf24c409890afd.gif

[InTheWind]

Yep, Bush warned that the economy was taking a dive long ago but no one listened.

[CoreIssue]

And the New Great Society. Remember how badly that failed?

[kay-gee]

Yeeeesh. The dudes been in office for two weeks. Fairly elected by a democratic process you all cherish. Right? He may be a real klunker but how do we know till he's had a chance to prove so. How would you like it if you were made the manager of a business and the first day people are saying that you are really gonna suck at it etc... Not very nice. Christian principle? I think not!

all the best...

[InTheWind]

Yeeeesh. The dudes been in office for two weeks. Fairly elected by a democratic process you all cherish. Right? He may be a real klunker but how do we know till he's had a chance to prove so. How would you like it if you were made the manager of a business and the first day people are saying that you are really gonna suck at it etc... Not very nice. Christian principle? I think not!

all the best...


Be optimistic huh, :(

[CoreIssue]

Yeeeesh. The dudes been in office for two weeks. Fairly elected by a democratic process you all cherish. Right? He may be a real klunker but how do we know till he's had a chance to prove so. How would you like it if you were made the manager of a business and the first day people are saying that you are really gonna suck at it etc... Not very nice. Christian principle? I think not!

all the best...
Been there. I know how it feels. You work to overcome it.

Problem is he has already proven himself a disaster.

Pulled the funding ban on abortions, going back to the failed talk them death way of dealing with foreign countries, calling socialism stimulus for the nation and more.

His way of resolving the economic crisis is what kept the Great Depression going 8 years longer than it should have. Took a world war to pull us out, which is a sad commentary.

[Sid]

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His way of resolving the economic crisis is what kept the Great Depression going 8 years longer than it should have. Took a world war to pull us out, which is a sad commentary.


Core:

This website's servers should be smoking from the hits it gets from concerned citizens:

Stimulus Watch (http://www.stimuluswatch.org/)

I saw somewhere that the porkulus plan was 12% stimulus and 88% the same old Democratic Party Pork Projects . . .

[CoreIssue]

Yep. Loaded with bacon. Nothing to do with stimulus but social engineering.

[Sacre]

Obama is not a radical. He has almost no experience and that means in being a radical as well =P He is simply fair to all people. And being extreme is more respectable then being lukewarm and having God spit you from his mouth, right? I think he proved himself by saying 'I will hunt down terrorists' and did you know he's AGAINST gay marriage?

I rest my case. People need to grow up on this Obama thing. Anything that happens will be for a reason and God is in control people.

Health Care — Obama has said he believes that health care is a basic human right. (Funny, I must have missed that one in the Bill of Rights.)Funny, i thought you were a christian?

Immigration — As an Illinois state senator in 1998, Obama voted to give welfare and Medicaid to immigrants.For ILLEGAL immigrants? And it's only right to heal any hurt person, illegal or not. Just ship them back out afterwards. Is money more important then a person's well being?

National Security — The junior senator from Illinois voted against reauthorization of the USA Patriot Act.

Haha, woah! The government can't illegally invade our privacy and disrespect and dishonour us and contradict the 'innocent until proven guilty' anymore!? That's sooo bad! /sarcasm

[CoreIssue]

He isn't fair, he is a socialist.

Against Gay marriage but supportive of openly serving in the military and gay unions.

National Health Care does not work. It ends in lower health care to citizens. Charity in the Bible, not mandated help.

He supports letting illegals become citizens just because they are here and welfare. Don't gloss over those problems with him and the effects it has on American families.

On national security, stay on topic. It is about foreigners and terrorism, not spying on Americans.

I have worked in national security intelligence concerning foreign countries. A major reason 911 happened was because Clinton shared your thinking and he gutted and hamstrung intelligence.

[Sacre]

Socialism was some idiots idea of being fair, I understand and don't support that. I just have yet to see him doing any 'socialist.'

Civil Unions are honestly constituional. We can't discriminate a man and man getting tax cuts. But Gay Marriage is wrong and NOT constitutional. And we also can't prevent gays from being in the military. Simple constituional and biblical facts here.

I think we should send illegal immigrants back home and all. But it's important we put their humanity first. We have to do something to help them.

How can we blame Clinton for what happened outside of his presidency? "lets find the closest democrat to blame!" ? =O I would rather risk my life knowing I protected someone's privacy then invade it in the 1% chance of saving myself. Isn't that what a true american soldier is? And the Patriot Act has been abused in the states too sadly, but that's a thread in itself! I might start it later if we can all keep professional about it =p

I honestly had to admit my fear for electing Obama was mostly bias. I think other conservative christian's should too. Afterall, Is it not the people who don't look to see that are truly blind?

[CoreIssue]

Socialism was some idiots idea of being fair, I understand and don't support that. I just have yet to see him doing any 'socialist.'
I will go with welfare state, which is a form of socialism.
Civil Unions are honestly constituional. We can't discriminate a man and man getting tax cuts. But Gay Marriage is wrong and NOT constitutional. And we also can't prevent gays from being in the military. Simple constituional and biblical facts here.
Where is it constitutional?
I think we should send illegal immigrants back home and all. But it's important we put their humanity first. We have to do something to help them.
Patch'em up and ship them back. I agree.

But the rest of what he supports in this area makes him bad for the country.
How can we blame Clinton for what happened outside of his presidency?
Because he set the stage and stripped us of our intelligence capability. I grant you really do not understand what I am talking about since you have never been there.

I have and I do. He stripped us of a vital national security asset.
"lets find the closest democrat to blame!" ? =O I would rather risk my life knowing I protected someone's privacy then invade it in the 1% chance of saving myself. Isn't that what a true american soldier is? And the Patriot Act has been abused in the states too sadly, but that's a thread in itself! I might start it later if we can all keep professional about it =p
Not talking combat assets, talking intelligence assets.
I honestly had to admit my fear for electing Obama was mostly bias. I think other conservative christian's should too. Afterall, Is it not the people who don't look to see that are truly blind?
I voted against him because he was bad for the country. McCain hardly better.

[Sacre]

Meh, that all makes good sense then. I see and I didn't really like any of our options this year lol...

I think the health care ideals might still work out. At worst what will happen, a few billionares lose profit and more sick children get better?

And well about the civil unions; the constitution doesn't speak against it. But it does speak of fairness and not oppressing or discriminating. Such as denying two males a tax cut. Of course there is no logical reason to support gay marriage, but a civil union may be reasonable. I'd still vote against it being a christian first, american second.

[CoreIssue]

I think the health care ideals might still work out. At worst what will happen, a few billionares lose profit and more sick children get better?
Too much track record in too many countries.
And well about the civil unions; the constitution doesn't speak against it. But it does speak of fairness and not oppressing or discriminating. Such as denying two males a tax cut. Of course there is no logical reason to support gay marriage, but a civil union may be reasonable. I'd still vote against it being a christian first, american second.
Perversion is never reasonable to condone. Don't have to hunt it down but do not give it rights.

[Sacre]

I actually think homosexuality is either a. a mental malfunction or b. a pervesion indeed. I mean they are usually overly obsessed with sexual intercourse or had an abuse dad growing up. Same story every time. At any rate, they are not going neccecarily going to hell for their vice. Our vices are just as bad, of course.

But, as i said, you're arguing the constituion's factual support for civil unions, with your moral guidelines as a christian. of course you are no real christian if you support civil unions. but it is constitutional. and i don't mind if people interpret it correctly beings it is a minor form of oppression. but i wont vote for it, either.

i will agree socialism has failed everywhere else, but what about canada's health care? they didn't fail. and we have a better system that can handle it. in fact communism only fails because to few people have all the power. it could work in america. but it's too un-american and id hate to lose all the free market and the 'ladder effect' where people can move up.

[CoreIssue]

I actually think homosexuality is either a. a mental malfunction or b. a pervesion indeed. I mean they are usually overly obsessed with sexual intercourse or had an abuse dad growing up. Same story every time. At any rate, they are not going neccecarily going to hell for their vice. Our vices are just as bad, of course.
I know that is espoused by a lot of liberals. But reality most are just perverts by choice.

God does not condemn sickness as sin. Even with abuse, which I believe is an overblown excuse, does not excuse perversion.

In example, I grew up by a family with 5 kids. One turned out gay. There was no abuse.
But, as i said, you're arguing the constituion's factual support for civil unions, with your moral guidelines as a christian. of course you are no real christian if you support civil unions. but it is constitutional. and i don't mind if people interpret it correctly beings it is a minor form of oppression. but i wont vote for it, either.
Wrong. Totally.

I deal a LOT with laws and ordinances. Not a lawyer though.

Absence of disapproval does not equal approval. Period.

Government is charged with with preserving the health and and welfare of its people. Endorsing homosexuality is not doing either.
i will agree socialism has failed everywhere else, but what about canada's health care? they didn't fail. a
Failed. Bankrupting its economy and Canadians come here in droves for health care they cannot get there.
nd we have a better system that can handle it.
No. Been model examined and it we cannot pay for it.
in fact communism only fails because to few people have all the power. it could work in america.
No. It fails because too many people want to take a free ride and there is no motivation or reward for harder work.
but it's too un-american and id hate to lose all the free market and the 'ladder effect' where people can move up.
You just defined a big reason it fails.

[Sacre]

I know that is espoused by a lot of liberals. But reality most are just perverts by choice.

I have to admit that liberal comment really annoyed me. I was using a scientific and statistically observant points to describe starting places for homosexuality. Of course i'm aware they still have to make the choice, and many times they are just obsessively perverted; but, there are many valid aspects of my comment. Oh and i'm not a liberal just because I don't blindly accept people's interpretations of the bible that may not even be correct biblically.

Wrong...laws.. I don't care about current laws or the fact our constituion is built on christian principles. I just know if you take the constitution into context, the same way the bible is suppose to be read, you'll quickly find it is discriminatory to not give two men a tax break.

Failed.

I think it's failing now just like our 'so much better' economy is right now because of other reasons. That statement is sort of hypocritical with that in mind.

No. Been model examined and it we cannot pay for it. I supose that's fair and i'll agree with you and change my viewpoint, then.

No. It fails because too many people want to take a free ride and there is no motivation or reward for harder work. I guess the mistake in communism is trusting humanity, i'll support what you said here too.

You just defined a big reason it fails. Yeap =p

Ps - > I really enjoy our talks, you're a good man =) We both have a place. I'm sure mine, aside from thinking to much and bothering you folk ;), is to make sure I do everything I can to help improve quality of life.

[CoreIssue]

I know that is espoused by a lot of liberals. But reality most are just perverts by choice.I have to admit that liberal comment really annoyed me. I was using a scientific and statistically observant points to describe starting places for homosexuality. Of course i'm aware they still have to make the choice, and many times they are just obsessively perverted; but, there are many valid aspects of my comment. Oh and i'm not a liberal just because I don't blindly accept people's interpretations of the bible that may not even be correct biblically.
You are basing it on finding from 'specialists' who do not even believe in a spirit in us or the existence of evil.

They believe everything is either biological or environmental.

Read the so-called science of psychiatry.
Wrong...laws.. I don't care about current laws or the fact our constituion is built on christian principles. I just know if you take the constitution into context, the same way the bible is suppose to be read, you'll quickly find it is discriminatory to not give two men a tax break. [/QUOTE]
Context? Cultural or social context? Or the literal context of what is written?
Failed.I think it's failing now just like our 'so much better' economy is right now because of other reasons. That statement is sort of hypocritical with that in mind. [/QUOTE]
Really? Best medical treatment available in the world and the best economy in this world wide economical disaster.

You need to get your facts together here.
Ps - > I really enjoy our talks, you're a good man =) We both have a place. I'm sure mine, aside from thinking to much and bothering you folk ;), is to make sure I do everything I can to help improve quality of life.
Thanks. Been accused of thinking and studying too much myself a lot of times.

[Sacre]

You are basing it on finding from 'specialists' who do not even believe in a spirit in us or the existence of evil.Not true. I'm saying every homosexual i ever knew or met, as well as people I know personally have experienced, all support my theory. And my theory does nothing except further prove why God is right to forbid homosexuality. Sin is harmful for us, and homosexual has spawned many natural disasters. Not sure why me supporting God in ways other people might understand bothers you...

contextI mean the literal interpretation, as is only fair.

MedicalWhat? I never said that wasn't a fact...I just said we're all having economical problems. And canada's problems aren't because of their healthcare system...


=O

[CoreIssue]

You are basing it on finding from 'specialists' who do not even believe in a spirit in us or the existence of evil.Not true. I'm saying every homosexual i ever knew or met, as well as people I know personally have experienced, all support my theory. And my theory does nothing except further prove why God is right to forbid homosexuality. Sin is harmful for us, and homosexual has spawned many natural disasters. Not sure why me supporting God in ways other people might understand bothers you...
Really? In my 57 years I have known a good number and they just claimed they were born that way. Period. Personal choice, not born.

And being born was the dominate theory until science proved it a crock.
MedicalWhat? I never said that wasn't a fact...I just said we're all having economical problems. And canada's problems aren't because of their healthcare system...They are rationing health care and it can take months just to get an appointment. That is economics.

[Sacre]

Being born homosexual is obviously impossbile, but yeah we don't know every homosexual in the world so we can't take a fair poll anyway. I was just reassuring you I wasn't accepting some group's statistics versus something more reliable.

@ medical part: I just thought you were implying their awesome health care system had something to do with their economy crashing, but obviously the rationing came after. I guess in crisis our system might be better. But think of supply and demand and all the greedy manufactures that can skyrocket the price here too...Scenerio based I guess.

[CoreIssue]

No. The rationing came before. As it did in Europe who went the system before Canada.

There are things that can be done. But not via socialization.

[kay-gee]

Funny....The american health care system has a way of bankrupting it's citizens directly!!! So much better!

all the best...

[CoreIssue]

Funny....The american health care system has a way of bankrupting it's citizens directly!!! So much better!

all the best...
KG, no one has it right.

I do not see why the government cannot buy medicine in bulk and then resale it to pharmacies, etc, at cost. Ship straight from factory to dispenser.

That alone would save a fortune.

But noooo. They have to get involved with every aspect of medical care. Add a whole other layer of administration and worse.

Arrogant power brokers.

[kay-gee]

See Core...Now that is "progressive". Great idea. Now you're starting to think like me.

all the best...

[CoreIssue]

KG, I owned a business for 20 years. That is not a progressive idea, it is good, solid, conservative, business practice that doe not take control of others' lives while being fiscally responsible.

Been on my mind and the minds of others like me for many years.

Liberals are not fiscally responsible in government.