Please I need your help

[beatofadifferntdrum]

okay my friend like today just told me she doesnt want to be my friend anymore b/c I am not as christian as her, okay she got me to read the bible and see jesus but then she goes and gets on drugs and goes clubbin with me then when she is depressed she gets on this christian crusade to elliminate all the people that dont want to be exactly like her. And I am one of dem. But the thing is she always does this and goes back to her other ways. Is that hyprocrit? I told her that she is a bad example anyway and I dont need that kinda of FAKE in my life. I have been a buddhist-christian for like 2 years. I aint a saint and I dont pretend to be. I am not too bummed about the whole thing b/c I saw this in the future but she wants to tell me my ways are wrong. I dont think she has ever really thought for herself--she was raised in church I wasnt. But I worship VERY different then her. I guess theres a purpose why we are no longer in each others lives but I dont know, she has just further confused my faith in Christianity. Any comments are welcome.

[Jane Doe]

Hello Beat,


Your friend sounds like she is struggling, the flesh and the glitter of the world is powerful. It also sounds like she might have been trying to help you although maybe it comes off all misconstrued. My advice is to realize that she is growing just like everyone and she is fighting against strongholds and bondages. It could be frightening .


It’s an ironic thing for a Christian to try and warn about something that they are practicing. Like for instance I have been out at bars/clubs drinking and trying to share the gospel at the same time. It’s embarrassing and while I may get some points across the main ones usually get washed out.

* I don’t like to go out to bars or clubs anymore (besides for concerts) , they got lame and are filled with crudeness.

What is a Christian-buddist? I wasn’t sure so I looked it up and found :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist-Christian_Parallels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist-Christian_Parallels)
But to you, what is a Christian-buddist?

[beatofadifferntdrum]

Hello Beat,


Your friend sounds like she is struggling, the flesh and the glitter of the world is powerful. It also sounds like she might have been trying to help you although maybe it comes off all misconstrued. My advice is to realize that she is growing just like everyone and she is fighting against strongholds and bondages. It could be frightening .


It’s an ironic thing for a Christian to try and warn about something that they are practicing. Like for instance I have been out at bars/clubs drinking and trying to share the gospel at the same time. It’s embarrassing and while I may get some points across the main ones usually get washed out.

* I don’t like to go out to bars or clubs anymore (besides for concerts) , they got lame and are filled with crudeness.

What is a Christian-buddist? I wasn’t sure so I looked it up and found :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist-Christian_Parallels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist-Christian_Parallels)
But to you, what is a Christian-buddist?



Thanx for replying Jane, :):

maybe your right and she is confused too. But Im not going to intervene, if she wants to talk to me she can. I dont mind if people want to have a good time at the club, just like dont switch from one kind of life to the next all the time....mainly b/c the people she infleunces like me are looking at that and making judgment.

I love truth and creation. I got to find jesus with my own will. Before I found him Buddhism was the closest truth available to me. I was very at peace but still had resentment toward people from churches. I read the bible myself and let the words sink into me. Really I dont need to be apart of a church, I was part of one for a while and I felt like I couldnt be myself around them so I quit going. I still consider myself a Buddha. I consider Lord Jesus a Buddha too. Therefore I describle myself as a buddhist-christian. =)

[beatofadifferntdrum]

I love truth and creation. I got to find jesus with my own will. ..... I read the bible myself and let the words sink into me.


What I mean is my soul understood and searched and yearned for more knowlege on its own.....even tho my friend did introduce me to christian point of view. Lent me a bible and was the first person who held me accountalbe.

[CoreIssue]

Hi beatofadifferntdrum,

Your posts so far make it pretty clear that, Biblically, you are at a point in your life where you need to get yourself online, with God, before you can help others.

That is something that may impress her in her time of issues. But beyond that, I don't think you are yet where you can do much more.

Regarding a Buddhist-Christian. There is no such thing.

Buddhism and Christianity are not compatible. You cannot reconcile a religion that rejects God and Christ, for what they are, in fact, and redefines Christ to something else.

Christ was not a Buddhist and would not have accepted that label in any manner, when on the earth.

So, as long as you attempt to hang onto both, you are not going to 'get it' Biblically.

Christianity is not a point of view. It is a spiritual reality. It is what a born-again believer is. Not a thought, concept or philosphy about life.

There are many who call themselves Christians that are not. They are into Christian philosophy, but not into being spiritually changed into a new being.

Christianity isn't about how to live. It is about life itself.

Christ was not a philosophical teacher. He taught about iron-clad realities.

Salvation is not a state of mind. It is a state of being.

Hope I didn't over beat the point. I am just trying to bet across Christianity is not just another world view. It is far more than that.

Just some food for thought.

[Jane Doe]

Thanx for replying Jane, :):



I love truth and creation. I got to find jesus with my own will. Before I found him Buddhism was the closest truth available to me. I was very at peace but still had resentment toward people from churches. I read the bible myself and let the words sink into me. Really I dont need to be apart of a church, I was part of one for a while and I felt like I couldnt be myself around them so I quit going. I still consider myself a Buddha. I consider Lord Jesus a Buddha too. Therefore I describle myself as a buddhist-christian. =)

Having resentment towards churches is an easy thing to do. Especially when there are many , many wolves in sheep’s clothing presenting themselves as leaders of churches, one must be careful and test.

To heap judgments against your friend is an unwise move, in the end it will be a plank in your eye. I am not heavily studied on Buddism I admit but I hope you do not mean that you eqate Jesus to Buddah. We are to have no other gods before us.

Beat said :
"I have been a buddhist-christian for like 2 years. I aint a saint and I dont pretend to be. I am not too bummed about the whole thing b/c I saw this in the future but she wants to tell me my ways are wrong. I dont think she has ever really thought for herself--she was raised in church I wasnt. But I worship VERY different then her. "

If you are a Christian are you not a saint (help me CTZ.) The icon saints from the Catholic religion are at times made into idols, that's not what I mean. The WAY you worship is a unique and personal thing. TO have been raised in church is a blessing, but for many, myself included not being raised in church is just a foothold to leap over once the pathway towards eternity has begun and the Holy Spirit takes hold. Also, by your posts it seems like the Holy Spirit is striving with you but to belittle Jesus into being anything less than he is , is more than dangerous.

[CoreIssue]

If you are a Christian are you not a saint (help me CTZ.)

Yep. A saint is one who is set apart for God. All in the Body of Christ are saved and saints.

The root word means set apart. Same word from which saint, santificy, and all similar words and meanings stem from.

[beatofadifferntdrum]

hmmm interesting.......Buddhists do believe in God. They believe there is an evil one, its all worded in another way. If you look at it in a doubting mind then you wont understand just as someone who reads the bible in a doubting mind wont get it. I had to look into them with an open mind. =)

[beatofadifferntdrum]

I do feel a lot better, I wrote this thread the moment I hung up the phone with my friend. My emotions were a little intence. I appoligize. I can accept it that her and I are continuing are spiritual journey.

[Jane Doe]

beatofadifferntdrum,

Glad to hear you are feeling better!

[CoreIssue]

hmmm interesting.......Buddhists do believe in God. They believe there is an evil one, its all worded in another way. If you look at it in a doubting mind then you wont understand just as someone who reads the bible in a doubting mind wont get it. I had to look into them with an open mind. =)
Actually Buddhists do not believe in God.

They believer in higher principles, not a higher being. There is nothing faintly resembling the Christian God in Buddhism. Nothing personal.

Here is a good summary (http://www.letusreason.org/Buddh1.htm). As it notes, their are a number or varieties of Buddhism, but certain fundamentals are throughout.

No Buddhist leader will give you any name of being and call him God.

Being divine, in Buddhism does not mean being a god.
There is no place for God in the Mahayana traditions of Buddhism as well, and indeed some of the early Indian Mahayana philosophers have denounced god-worship in terms which are even stronger than those expressed in the Theravada literature.
Buddhist site. (http://www.buddhistinformation.com/buddhist_attitude_to_god.htm)

It is impossible to be a Christian and a Buddhist. You can be one, neither, but not both.

Like people claiming to be a Christian Humanist, Christian Mystic and a few others.

[beatofadifferntdrum]

I am both! It is possible. K I'm done. Bye!

[CoreIssue]

I am both! It is possible. K I'm done. Bye!
Why bye?

I think there is a valuable discussoin for you if you stay.

Taking the Buddhist road makes God a principle, a guideline, a powerful force and so on. It takes away his judgement, decision making and such, placing them in the hands of individuals to work out their own destinies.

It doesn't work that way. God sets the rules. One either chooses to be with him or against him.

[Jane Doe]

I am both! It is possible. K I'm done. Bye!


Boo, why do you choose to leave so suddenly? Was interested in learning more ...

[beatofadifferntdrum]

Boo, why do you choose to leave so suddenly? Was interested in learning more ...


:): Oh I dunno just thought i was irritating ppl. I will talk more if you want.

[beatofadifferntdrum]

Why bye?

I think there is a valuable discussoin for you if you stay.

Taking the Buddhist road makes God a principle, a guideline, a powerful force and so on. It takes away his judgement, decision making and such, placing them in the hands of individuals to work out their own destinies.

It doesn't work that way. God sets the rules. One either chooses to be with him or against him.


I think he's more than that. I am with him. I am with him in my mind and faith. Buddhism helps with the purity of my mind. While Lord Jesus made us able to be all new creation. Hes given us free will for a reason. One thing that is completely destructive is our ego. I luckily had an experience in which i had complete loss of my ego. Without that devilish thing we can reach way higher levels of understanding. This world is an illusion real beauty is who made it. Egoless is to me how human beings were intended to be.

[roman8]

I feel that God is with me all the time also , sometimes im not with him Im off doing my own thing. I agree with the Ego statement dying to self is very difficult though, will be working on that one probley my whole earthly life.

[CoreIssue]

I think he's more than that. I am with him. I am with him in my mind and faith. Buddhism helps with the purity of my mind. While Lord Jesus made us able to be all new creation. Hes given us free will for a reason. One thing that is completely destructive is our ego. I luckily had an experience in which i had complete loss of my ego. Without that devilish thing we can reach way higher levels of understanding. This world is an illusion real beauty is who made it. Egoless is to me how human beings were intended to be.

I feel that God is with me all the time also , sometimes im not with him Im off doing my own thing. I agree with the Ego statement dying to self is very difficult though, will be working on that one probley my whole earthly life.

Some meat to dig into.

No where in the Bible is there any such thing as obliteration of self. That is a Buddhist goal called Nirvanah.

It means total loss of self and conscience.

Buddhism is totally self focused. Christ is other focused.

Buddism will walk avoid a person in pain since that requires an outward focus and loss of focus on self. Christ taught a loss of self focus and turning to an outward focus on others.

The world is not an illusion. It is very real. And very corrupted.

Too many focus on this world to the exclusion of the better world to come. Too many worship this place and what is in it.

God is a jealous God. God will judge others. God is outward focused.

We are never taught to loose ourselves in Christ. We are taught to grow and become like Christ.

We never cease to exist as individuals and become absorbed into Christ. We take on Christ, meaning we take on his ways of thinking and so on. But remain very much individuals.

The Father is not a force or concept. He is a very real individual being with his own mind, life and so on. As is the Holy Spirit. As is Christ, who is the Second Person of the Godhead in human flesh.

In eternity we will all be individuals, in flesh, living independent lives. Those lost in the Lake, will have unglorified flesh and be complete separated from all others. Those born-again will be in glorified flesh, living in their own homes, sharing the New Jerusalem and living in harmony with God, Christ, saints and angels.

Unlike Buddhism, where there is no such thing as a personage God, and the goal is total absorbsion into an unthinking and just is eternal oneness of being, God shows us we will be totally purified individuals living in harmony and unity with others, while forever remaining us.

You cannot harmonize Buddism with the Bible if you read the Bible literally.

And if you try to not read the Bible literally, then you are depending on yourself to be the arbitrator and determinor of what it says figuratively, making you your own god.

No. No one on this earth ever looses their ego. Ever becomes totally pure.

You yourself struggle with sex issues. Thus you have admitted you are not pure.

Sex is an ego issue. Cannot be denied.

Personal experience cannot be accepted on mere face value. Demons and self can give one experiences to fulfill their desires.

They must be tested against something. And not self or if they feel good.

Occult practioners have personal experiences. So do Hindus, Buddhists, Mystics, New Agers and more.

Problem is none of them agree with each other.

New Agers see the Other Side. The other side is another earth on a different plane of existence. No unified universal energy force, no heaven or any such thing.

Occult and Mystics see other dimenisions and spiritual planes. None resembling the earth and all ruled by powerful beings. Each with different powers, goals and realities.

Atheists see oblivion. Nothing past the point of death. Non-existence.

And on and on.

Each believe they have the truth. Each are firm in what they believe.

So, how do you test it? Christians use the Bible. Christians believe history and such give proof to the reality of God that no other religion can give.

Buddhism relies on self truth. You find your own way by denying self. You grow by loosing yourself. The ultimate gain is total loss of self.

So, how does one test themselves? They cannot.

Christ never taught total loss of self. He taught loss of self indulgence, focus, want and so on. He taught love others as one loves themselves, meaning if one can give others as much love as they give themselves they will loose the self love and live through others.

Buddhism really teaches total self love. Total focus on self to the exclusion of others. Total turning of ones back on all around them.

Buddha deserted his wife and family to seek himself. Supposedly he found himself.

Then, in his ego, he began teaching others his self indulgence.

Think about it. Why have a belief of total loss of self and try to teach it to others if it is not done for self ego and self love?

If he truly believed what he taught, he would have just sit under that tree and died, totally self and other denying.

[Chrystalwuzhere]

Beat,

I just want to add that I don't think your friend is intentionally being a hypocrite. I think she struggles with her walk. She'll slip for a while, and then when she comes back, she does it with such a righteous flare that she mowes down everyone in her path. Overkill. Trying to compensate for failures, and trying to be holy in the process. It does seem hypocritical, but really it's not motivated by it.

Remember, many of us believe wholeheartedly in God....we just aren't always able to live up to it 100% of the time (that's why we need a great Savior). When we fall, and then come back, we overcompensate for a while, and then we wear ourselves out and fall away again....then it starts all over again and becomes an endless cycle.

Perhaps if she had a mature Christian to be patient with her and help her grow, she would grow out of a large part of this. Until then, it will be a repeated cycle.

Don't be too angry with her (even though it is frustrating)...be patient and compassionate with her. She's struggling.

Sorry for rambling.

I feel that God is with me all the time also , sometimes im not with him Im off doing my own thing. I agree with the Ego statement dying to self is very difficult though, will be working on that one probley my whole earthly life.

Amen! :nod:

[beatofadifferntdrum]

You yourself struggle with sex issues. Thus you have admitted you are not pure.

Sex is an ego issue. Cannot be denied.

Personal experience cannot be accepted on mere face value. Demons and self can give one experiences to fulfill their desires.

hmm well how do I know what is a demon and whats not? I never think of demons. When I was involved in a church. A fellowhship church. My friend's boyfriend was a leader in this church and was at my friend's house. He killed her dog while she was at work and when she came home he said he had a spiritual battle with a demon. I came over after she called me and told me. He was acting like a crazy loon. Never saw that side of him before. In church he was more of the abrasive kind and witnessed by telling ppl if they didnt believe right then and there what scripture said, u were an enemy of God. But I thought he was really stable minded until I saw him at my friends house. And then later on he said that it was okay that he killed the dog b/c it was only an animal. Do you see how this has effected me and my experience?


They must be tested against something. And not self or if they feel good.

Occult practioners have personal experiences. So do Hindus, Buddhists, Mystics, New Agers and more.

Problem is none of them agree with each other.

New Agers see the Other Side. The other side is another earth on a different plane of existence. No unified universal energy force, no heaven or any such thing.

Occult and Mystics see other dimenisions and spiritual planes. None resembling the earth and all ruled by powerful beings. Each with different powers, goals and realities.

Atheists see oblivion. Nothing past the point of death. Non-existence.

And on and on.

Each believe they have the truth. Each are firm in what they believe.


All of them could be right tho. Im not sure. Thats why i base everything on personal experience. i was once atheist but after a suicide attempt i had seen life in another way. i cant convince other ppl to beleive me b/c they havnt gone through the same thing.


So, how do you test it? Christians use the Bible. Christians believe history and such give proof to the reality of God that no other religion can give.

Buddhism relies on self truth. You find your own way by denying self. You grow by loosing yourself. The ultimate gain is total loss of self.

So, how does one test themselves? They cannot.

Christ never taught total loss of self. He taught loss of self indulgence, focus, want and so on. He taught love others as one loves themselves, meaning if one can give others as much love as they give themselves they will loose the self love and live through others.

Buddhism really teaches total self love. Total focus on self to the exclusion of others. Total turning of ones back on all around them.


The problem is I will never be just like christ, he is my master and meditating to him all day is not at all such a bad thing. I dont want to be like the other ppl ive seen who tell others what is the truth but then do the opposit of what they just said an d make an excuse of temtation all the time. thats why one should rid themselves of desires for the world b/c complete power will be given to your master. Being a leader in a church is probably the hardest things one can do...b/c each day theres opportunity to abuse power.

[roman8]

I feel that God is with me all the time also , sometimes im not with him Im off doing my own thing. I agree with the Ego statement dying to self is very difficult though, will be working on that one probley my whole earthly life.




Core, perhaps I didnt word myself correctly . We are told to be servants rather than self serving , to put the needs of others before ourselves, to be givers rather than takers. That is what I mean in dying to self , to selfishness. I find its a very hard thing to do , I struggle with that one daily.

[Jane Doe]

beatofadifferntdrum;15260]hmm well how do I know what is a demon and whats not? I never think of demons. When I was involved in a church. A fellowhship church. My friend's boyfriend was a leader in this church and was at my friend's house. He killed her dog while she was at work and when she came home he said he had a spiritual battle with a demon. I came over after she called me and told me. He was acting like a crazy loon. Never saw that side of him before. In church he was more of the abrasive kind and witnessed by telling ppl if they didnt believe right then and there what scripture said, u were an enemy of God. But I thought he was really stable minded until I saw him at my friends house. And then later on he said that it was okay that he killed the dog b/c it was only an animal. Do you see how this has effected me and my experience?
Beat,
This guy sounds like a maniac…..

I have met people in Christian cults (im not saying your friends' boyfriend was), and people very close to me got lured in. They aren’t anymore, thankfully!
But my point is that I was very angry at these kind of "church goers", my personal experiences showed me that so called Christian front could be hiding very manipulative, and corrosive ways. But that was evil and to let evil win would be to base my perception off untruth and only what my eyes could see and my ears could audibly hear, and that was deception. I don't jusdge ALL churches to be wolves now, unless they prove it. There's more to it than that..........

The quickest way to tell if demons are lurking is if it contradicts the Bible. Even if just a little of it contradicts the Bible…….it’s untrue. Demons use strands of truth to further disillusion.
“ One
basic
truth can
be used as
a foundation for
a mountain of lies,
and if we dig down deep
enough in the mountain of lies,
and bring out that truth, to set it
on top of the mountain of lies; the entire
mountain of lies will crumble under the weight of
that one truth, and there is nothing more devastating to a
structure of lies than the revelation of the truth upon which
the structure of lies was built, because the shock waves of
the revelation of the truth reverberate, and continue to
reverberate throughout the Earth for generations to
follow, awakening even those
people who had no
desire to be
awakened
to the
Truth.”
-Delamer Duverus-



Beat said,
..........."thats why one should rid themselves of desires for the world b/c complete power will be given to your master. "

-In this book, “World Religions” the writer points out how such a goal as to eliminate desire is difficult to attain because in doing so it requires DESIRING to eliminate desire. The writer goes on to sahre Jesus said, “ Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled” (Matthew 5:6.) So then Jesus assures us that we have the entitlement, or even I think a birthright to desire….fruit. (ya know?)

Do you believe in reincarnation?

[CoreIssue]

Jane made some excellent points. I will just add some comments of my own.

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You yourself struggle with sex issues. Thus you have admitted you are not pure.

Sex is an ego issue. Cannot be denied.

Personal experience cannot be accepted on mere face value. Demons and self can give one experiences to fulfill their desires.

hmm well how do I know what is a demon and whats not?
The greatest lies begin with a grain of truth. As Satan's lies to Eve began with a truth.

The first things demons want to get you away from is the idea you cannot save yourself, that it takes Christ, that truth is absolute and not relative and that there is only one truth, not many truths with many paths to God.

And they love subjective personal experience over objective revelation from God.
I never think of demons.
There are too many who are obsessed with them.

But there is another extreme, just as deadly, that does not want to acknowledge them, either.
When I was involved in a church. A fellowhship church. My friend's boyfriend was a leader in this church and was at my friend's house. He killed her dog while she was at work and when she came home he said he had a spiritual battle with a demon. I came over after she called me and told me. He was acting like a crazy loon. Never saw that side of him before. In church he was more of the abrasive kind and witnessed by telling ppl if they didnt believe right then and there what scripture said, u were an enemy of God. But I thought he was really stable minded until I saw him at my friends house. And then later on he said that it was okay that he killed the dog b/c it was only an animal. Do you see how this has effected me and my experience?

Yes. And I also see you have embraced mistaken personal experience as being truth.

There is nothing Biblical, Christian or otherwise in what you have described.

But there sure is that destructive lie built upon a grain of truth. As in getting you to see them as 'church' and then destroying the true meaning of church. That turns many off to real Christianity, real church and real truth.

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They must be tested against something. And not self or if they feel good.

Occult practioners have personal experiences. So do Hindus, Buddhists, Mystics, New Agers and more.

Problem is none of them agree with each other.

New Agers see the Other Side. The other side is another earth on a different plane of existence. No unified universal energy force, no heaven or any such thing.

Occult and Mystics see other dimenisions and spiritual planes. None resembling the earth and all ruled by powerful beings. Each with different powers, goals and realities.

Atheists see oblivion. Nothing past the point of death. Non-existence.

And on and on.

Each believe they have the truth. Each are firm in what they believe.

All of them could be right tho.
No. That is a lie that many want others to believe. They all cannot be true. At most one or none, but never more than one.

If I have a room full of religions, with each describing 'God" in completely different ways, with completely different truths and completely different demands, they are not giving different facets of The Truth, they are presenting a different truth claim for each and every one of them.

Only one at most can be true.

God doesn't piece meal out truth and then demand we follow it. Meaning having to find what part is true here and there, and then build the Big Picture.

Nor does he give different roads to come to the truth.

Christ saying to stop living for self and start living for others has no equivalence to the Buddhist notion of ceasing to be self.

To live for others one must be a better 'self.' One must not seek oblivion in loss of self identity.

To do so there are no others to live for. All becomes one big neutral mass that does not feel, care, love or anything else.

To love one must hate. The key is not ceasing to hate or love, but to hate and love correctly.

God loves and hates. We are in the image of God. Now why in all sanity would God want us to cease to love, hate and so on when he does not?

God is not neutral. He is not simply power or principle. He is a personage. He created us as personages.

So what is with this nonsense he wants us to cease to be personage and merge into his personless being when he is personage and created us as personage?

The illogic is amazing.

No way to ever harmonize Buddhism and other such beliefs with Christianity.
Im not sure. Thats why i base everything on personal experience.
Which is going to mislead you.

None of us are smart enough to 'get it' on our own. The very fact we make so many stupid mistakes tells us we cannot trust us to resolve the eternal issues based on us.

God, demons, angels and such are far smarter and more powerful than us. They can mislead or lead us to truth or destruction. Destruction comes from self appeasement.
i was once atheist but after a suicide attempt i had seen life in another way. i cant convince other ppl to beleive me b/c they havnt gone through the same thing.

You would be suprised at the personal experiences many on this board have had.

But your experience, in this way, does not constitute a revelation of some eternal truth. Most assuredly it can be an eye opener there is eternal truth, but in and of itself, it is not a revelation of what that truth is.

God does not work in occult, mystic or such experiencial ways. He can use them, but growth comes from study, learning and so on. Not by some magic or otherwise supernatural event.

Don't think there are not experiences had by members of this board. You would be shocked if you knew many of them.

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So, how do you test it? Christians use the Bible. Christians believe history and such give proof to the reality of God that no other religion can give.

Buddhism relies on self truth. You find your own way by denying self. You grow by loosing yourself. The ultimate gain is total loss of self.

So, how does one test themselves? They cannot.

Christ never taught total loss of self. He taught loss of self indulgence, focus, want and so on. He taught love others as one loves themselves, meaning if one can give others as much love as they give themselves they will loose the self love and live through others.

Buddhism really teaches total self love. Total focus on self to the exclusion of others. Total turning of ones back on all around them.


The problem is I will never be just like christ,
Christlike is not being Christ. And none of us will draw near to that until eternity, when our bodies are glorified.
he is my master and meditating to him all day is not at all such a bad thing.
Depends on how you define meditating.

If you use the Biblical meaning, that is studying his word and thinking upon their meanings and such.

If you mean emptying yourself to open yourself to him coming in, all you are going to get is self deception and maybe a demon.

The whole idea of Ascended Masters coming into one and changing them, making them avatars and so on is demonic. We are not to do such things.

We don't grow by shutting our minds down. We grow by using them.
I dont want to be like the other ppl ive seen who tell others what is the truth but then do the opposit of what they just said an d make an excuse of temtation all the time.
Not going to argue with that.

Being human makes it impossible to totally avoid. So, we must struggle on, never using excuses for failures. They are failures.
thats why one should rid themselves of desires for the world b/c complete power will be given to your master.
Yep. Ever working toward that goal knowing we can never achieve it in this earthly flesh.

Monks secluding themselves in caves and such is the height of selfishness. We are not told to withdraw from the world, but to be in the world but not of the world.

We have a duty to try to bring others to Christ. We cannot do that hiding from the world.
Being a leader in a church is probably the hardest things one can do...b/c each day theres opportunity to abuse power.

Have to agree there.

When people trust you that gives you a lot of power to hurt them.

[beatofadifferntdrum]

Core Issue,

Ive been thinking things through and feel as tho i need to study more scripture.

okay i dont normally admit this but i use lsd and magic mushrooms like twice a year for mind expanding reasons. The reason I bring this up is b.c it was a reality check. these are very powerful eye openers and it made me see how i fill my time with wastful things. so i got rid of my laptop (using my moms computer) and cut off mycell phone. Now i want to be more productive and i have time to workout my body. i want to take good care of it. And now i have no excuse not to read the bible. explain to me the subjects on taking these types of drugs. I know they are bad but are they sinful? Did devil make them?

[CoreIssue]

Core Issue,

Ive been thinking things through and feel as tho i need to study more scripture.

okay i dont normally admit this but i use lsd and magic mushrooms like twice a year for mind expanding reasons. The reason I bring this up is b.c it was a reality check. these are very powerful eye openers and it made me see how i fill my time with wastful things. so i got rid of my laptop (using my moms computer) and cut off mycell phone. Now i want to be more productive and i have time to workout my body. i want to take good care of it. And now i have no excuse not to read the bible. explain to me the subjects on taking these types of drugs. I know they are bad but are they sinful? Did devil make them?
First, good for you! This is the right direction to go.

Yes, they are bad for you. Yes they are sinful.

In the NT witch/sorcerer/wizard and so on, depending on what version and such you are reading, means one who uses drugs.

Drugs were, and still are, used to open oneself up to demonic entry, induce states where one believes they are connecting to the universe, a god or the other side.

But it is a lie. A euphoria where the imaginations of the mind and flesh can run wild. A place were demons and evil people have a clean chalk board to write whatever they want upon it.

Look at those into mysticism, occult and such.

Like Santaria and similar. They use drugs to induce states to talk to spirits, drive out demons and such. And where this kind of beliefs are wide spread the people live in squalor and misery. Yet they think they have it just fine.

In the Side Menu there is are links to online Bibles and an Interlinear. Use the Interlinear to see word meanings. Use the Bible to cross reference between such as the NIV and NASB to get a fuller feel for verse meanings by them being stated slightly differently, but saying the same thing.

And feel free to come on here and ask anything. There will be someone to answer. :tiphat:

[beatofadifferntdrum]

Hey Core Issue,

I was watching the Tyra Banks show and a woman representing a baptist chruch was the guest and she said that God hates fags. They have a website and I went to it. God is super angry and wrathful. I felt like I was stabbed. I cried so much b/c I bet they are right and Im one big pervert and if God hates me all that I felt that was love for my partners was not. So I am almost on the brink of suicide but thats a sin so I cant do that. I almost dont want to leave the house b/c I might meet a beautiful person. And they also said on that website that God does not love everyone. So he must not love me. Maybe if I bang my headon a wall enough times I will go into a coma. I'm scared that I me simply repenting isnt going to make me change my feelings about people. If I never act on them though I will be okay or not? I've been cursed if my life is going to be a life with no sex. :-(

[CTZonEdit]

Well I will say when seeking spiritual guidance the last place one should look is a TV show hosted by someone who has zero biblical knowledge.

Tyra Banks knows that her "guest" would draw viewers. Doesnt matter to her or her producers that the guest is completely wrong in her claims.

That site and that "guest" and what they claim is completely non biblical. Forget what they said and what you saw.

The bible says that homosexuality is a sin.
It says nothing about God hating fags.

Instead of fully discussing here head over to this thread (http://www.christiantalkzone.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2618&highlight=homosexuality)about homosexuality for further discussion and clarity.

[Jessie]

I saw that show on tyra. the whole situation was polorized.

homosexuals on one end, then some person, who says God hates fags,
it was crazy. and I was mad. God was NOT represented, only extremes in "peoples" wicked views and opinions.

God so loved the world He gave His only son.

God loves them, He hates sin, including mine.
there was no separation of the two.

I was soooooooooooo discusted.

God loves you! and we do too! dont listen to that evil woman forget her.
of course God helps us grow and put off our sins, but its a growing process,
we try to walk and fall down, get up and try again, over and over each time getting stronger, just like a child who is learning to walk.

[CoreIssue]

And all that leaves for me to say is I agree with CTZ and Jessie.

We are all sinners in one way or another. God loves the sinner and hates the sin.

[beatofadifferntdrum]

Wow reading through all my old posts, I realize how dumb I was. I read my bible a lot now. I just like had to make a decision to believe every word not pick and choose. So I took all my piercings out and they healed up. I quit thinking about kissing girls anymore. In fact I kind of developed a hatred for gay lifestyle bc it almost sent me to hell. Whenever I think about wanting to flirt with a girl I just think that there is a devil right behind me smiling that cant wait to torture me in hell. Like the other day some friends invited me to this night club that is gay and straight people and I refused to go cuz I know that I would fail my temptation especially if I drink. Pretty much gave up everything, friends are getting used to me not ever calling or being around. I am so afraid of hell like I read all these things online saying that pretty much everyone is going there. Even some people that think they are christian and it made me think of me. I have been going to church but dont stick around long enough to get to know anyone. I am scared they wont like me. I am generally a quiet person already, I dont have a whole to say when I meet people and usually dont make friends that easy. I like being alone...but is that bad? I know the bible says I need to be with people but sometimes I can spend days all by myself.

[CoreIssue]

Progress, good.

Liking to be alone isn't a bad thing if not for bad reasons. As in disliking other people.

Keep working on it. :D

[eahaddix]

I read my bible a lot now. I just like had to make a decision to believe every word not pick and choose. So I took all my piercings out and they healed up. I quit thinking about kissing girls anymore. In fact I kind of developed a hatred for gay lifestyle bc it almost sent me to hell. Whenever I think about wanting to flirt with a girl I just think that there is a devil right behind me smiling that cant wait to torture me in hell. Like the other day some friends invited me to this night club that is gay and straight people and I refused to go cuz I know that I would fail my temptation especially if I drink. Pretty much gave up everything, friends are getting used to me not ever calling or being around. I am so afraid of hell like I read all these things online saying that pretty much everyone is going there.

:thumbup2: Excellent. Your self-control (ref. Galatians 5:22-23 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians%205:22-23;&version=31;)) has made you stronger and more self-reliant.

Self-control allows you to transcend the manipulation of others. For instance, the words of others do not have any power unless you let their words "get to you" internally and externally. So, when others call you names or say nasty things at your face, self-control allows you to resist the momentum of their words and let their own words embarrass themselves.

Likewise, if you resist manipulative evil spirits with self-control, then they will flee from you (James 4:7 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James%204:7;&version=31;), cross ref. Ephesians 6:10-18 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians%206:10-18;&version=31;)).

I like being alone...but is that bad? I know the bible says I need to be with people but sometimes I can spend days all by myself.

No, this practice is not bad or unusual. It is far from it!

Christ Jesus gives us a personal peace which transcends all understanding (Philippians 4:7 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Philippians%204:7;&version=31;)) at all times (2 Thessalonians 3:16 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Thessalonians%203:16;&version=31;)). Due to this fact, we have the ability to enjoy solitude, especially when we want to have prayerful private time with Christ Jesus (ref. Matthew 6:5-6 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%206:5-6;&version=31;)).

However, in contrast, the unregenerated person has no peace (Romans 8:5-6 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%208:5-6;&version=31;)), as do evil spirits (ref. Matthew 12:43-45 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2012:43-45;&version=31;)). To the contrary, the unregenerated person is a slave to their sinful nature's desires (Romans 6:15-23 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%206:15-23;&version=31;)) and the influence of evil spirits (Ephesians 2:1-3 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians%202:1-3;&version=31;)). As a result, our unsaved friends are compelled to preoccupy themselves with fruitless busybodiness and hollow pleasures.

I have been going to church but dont stick around long enough to get to know anyone. I am scared they wont like me. I am generally a quiet person already, I dont have a whole to say when I meet people and usually dont make friends that easy.

Well, in this materialistic and egocentric society, one cannot trust other people in general. A true friend is hard to find, yet "acquaintances" come very easy.

I would ask Christ Jesus about this issue. He might ask God the Spirit to guide you towards certain trustable people.

I apologize for the late reply. For me, posting is like a day at an arcade ( :nod: ), so I jump around a lot and forget things. Please consider this place your personal resource. We are here to help, from the beginning to the end.

[beatofadifferntdrum]

wow thanks!!!:D :D :tiphat:



I read my bible a lot now. I just like had to make a decision to believe every word not pick and choose. So I took all my piercings out and they healed up. I quit thinking about kissing girls anymore. In fact I kind of developed a hatred for gay lifestyle bc it almost sent me to hell. Whenever I think about wanting to flirt with a girl I just think that there is a devil right behind me smiling that cant wait to torture me in hell. Like the other day some friends invited me to this night club that is gay and straight people and I refused to go cuz I know that I would fail my temptation especially if I drink. Pretty much gave up everything, friends are getting used to me not ever calling or being around. I am so afraid of hell like I read all these things online saying that pretty much everyone is going there.

:thumbup2: Excellent. Your self-control (ref. Galatians 5:22-23 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians%205:22-23;&version=31;)) has made you stronger and more self-reliant.

Self-control allows you to transcend the manipulation of others. For instance, the words of others do not have any power unless you let their words "get to you" internally and externally. So, when others call you names or say nasty things at your face, self-control allows you to resist the momentum of their words and let their own words embarrass themselves.

Likewise, if you resist manipulative evil spirits with self-control, then they will flee from you (James 4:7 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James%204:7;&version=31;), cross ref. Ephesians 6:10-18 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians%206:10-18;&version=31;)).

I like being alone...but is that bad? I know the bible says I need to be with people but sometimes I can spend days all by myself.

No, this practice is not bad or unusual. It is far from it!

Christ Jesus gives us a personal peace which transcends all understanding (Philippians 4:7 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Philippians%204:7;&version=31;)) at all times (2 Thessalonians 3:16 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Thessalonians%203:16;&version=31;)). Due to this fact, we have the ability to enjoy solitude, especially when we want to have prayerful private time with Christ Jesus (ref. Matthew 6:5-6 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%206:5-6;&version=31;)).

However, in contrast, the unregenerated person has no peace (Romans 8:5-6 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%208:5-6;&version=31;)), as do evil spirits (ref. Matthew 12:43-45 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2012:43-45;&version=31;)). To the contrary, the unregenerated person is a slave to their sinful nature's desires (Romans 6:15-23 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%206:15-23;&version=31;)) and the influence of evil spirits (Ephesians 2:1-3 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians%202:1-3;&version=31;)). As a result, our unsaved friends are compelled to preoccupy themselves with fruitless busybodiness and hollow pleasures.

I have been going to church but dont stick around long enough to get to know anyone. I am scared they wont like me. I am generally a quiet person already, I dont have a whole to say when I meet people and usually dont make friends that easy.

Well, in this materialistic and egocentric society, one cannot trust other people in general. A true friend is hard to find, yet "acquaintances" come very easy.

I would ask Christ Jesus about this issue. He might ask God the Spirit to guide you towards certain trustable people.

I apologize for the late reply. For me, posting is like a day at an arcade ( :nod: ), so I jump around a lot and forget things. Please consider this place your personal resource. We are here to help, from the beginning to the end.