The RCC Position on Islam

[eahaddix]

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."
Source: Catechism of the Catholic Church, Paragraph 841 @ SCBorromeo.org (http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/841.htm)

Notice that this paragraph states that the said profession of Muslims results in a common adoration of the same God.

Now, interestingly, this paragraph does not explain the exact theological consequences of this common adoration. However, this critical omission may be the key point. Does this paragraph simply presuppose the spirit of Paragraph 843 (http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/843.htm)? Or does the Catechism of the Catholic Church allow for another level of "imperfect communion" (ref. Paragraph 838 (http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/838.htm) of the CCC) with "non-culpably ignorant" (ref. Paragraphs 847 (http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/847.htm)-848 (http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/848.htm) of the CCC) Muslims, which is based on theological similarities between Islam and Roman Catholicism?

21. With respect to the way in which the salvific grace of God — which is always given by means of Christ in the Spirit and has a mysterious relationship to the Church — comes to individual non-Christians, the Second Vatican Council limited itself to the statement that God bestows it "in ways known to himself".83 Theologians are seeking to understand this question more fully. Their work is to be encouraged, since it is certainly useful for understanding better God's salvific plan and the ways in which it is accomplished.[...]
(83) Second Vatican Council, Decree Ad gentes, 7.
Source: "Declaration 'Dominus Iesus': On the Unicity and Salvific Universality of Jesus Christ and the Church" by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith @ EWTN.com Library (http://www.ewtn.com/library/CURIA/CDFUNICI.HTM)



"With a little legalistic rhetoric . . ."

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[Sid]

"With a little legalistic rhetoric . . ."





What's the big deal?


The RCC is one confused outfit:
They are almost as anti-Semitic as the Muslims
They hate democracy, freedom of religion and speech almost as much as the Muslims
They have no problem crawling in the sack with a religion that hates Jews and Christians and has a confused understanding of Jesus Christ.
Even Catholics are coming to understand that the papacy of JPII was a trainwreck for the RCC.


Here is the defining image of his papacy:



http://www.remnantofgod.org/kiss-koran.jpg




Truly, the blind leading the blind . . . .

[eahaddix]

Here is the defining image of his papacy:



http://www.remnantofgod.org/kiss-koran.jpg




Truly, the blind leading the blind . . . .



The standard Roman Catholic reply: "But this is veneration, not worship!" :smart:


When people kiss a relic or kneel before it, it is called veneration. This is a sign of respect . . . When people kneel or pray to God, it is called adoration, which is the worship of the divine with awesome love.
Source: "Merrick Parish Will Host Visit of Relic of Its Namesake St. John Vianney," by Lena Pennino, 9/27/2006 @ The Long Island Catholic [licatholic.org] (http://)



:whacky40: Truly? :whacky40:

[Jessie]

are we heading for the middle ages????

[Sid]

are we heading for the middle ages????


They were the glory days of the RCC, of course World History refers to the same period as the DARK AGES.

. . . just depends on your perspective.

[Sid]

Catholic and Islamic prayers have many similarities. For the Muslim, praying to Allah five times a day is altogether an act of obedience, and the prayers are always repetitive. As one former Muslim puts it, "It's hardly intimate communication with Allah;...it's done more to escape the punishment due to those who neglect prayer." Most prayers prayed by Catholics are also rote and repetitive, saying the rosary being the best example. Repeating 16 "Our Father's" and 153 "Hail Mary's" is far from personal communication. Furthermore, when a Catholic goes to confession the priest assigns rosaries as severe punishment, or penance, for one's sins.

Prayer beads were a part of Islamic devotion to Allah long before an apparition of the Blessed Lady taught St. Dominic to pray the rosary beads in the thirteenth century. Prayer beads, by the way, are a stock item in ancient and modern paganism. On an ironic note, Catholic Church historians credit the prayers of members of the Confraternity of the Rosary for a major naval victory over the Turks, which "saved Europe from the Mohammedan peril."

Catholics and Muslims regard pilgrimages as a means of obtaining favor from God. The hadj, one of the five pillars of Islam, is a required (one-time) journey to Mecca. For Catholics, pilgrimages historically have been acts of religious purification, often induced by the promise of indulgences. Multi-millions of Catholics travel yearly to hundreds of shrines (nearly all dedicated to Mary) located throughout the world.

The Crusades were indulgence-stimulated attempts to regain Jerusalem from the infidel Muslims in order to re-establish Catholic pilgrimages. Incidentally, the Church of Rome offered the crusaders full pardon from purgatory should they die trying to liberate the Holy Land. Similarly, Islam offers rewards in and assurance of Paradise to those who die in religious battles (jihad), including suicide bombings.



Catholicism & Islam: Ties That Bind (http://www.thebereancall.org/Newsletter/html/2002/nov02.php)

[Jessie]

:( wow!

[Sid]

Both Islam and RCism teach Salvation by Works




Muslims have five obligations:


1) publicly recite the Shahadah�"There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is the Prophet of Allah";

2) offer prayers fives times a day while facing Mecca;

3) give alms;

4) fast during the month of Ramadan to include abstaining from food, drink, smoking and sexual relations during daylight; and

5) make a pilgrimage to Mecca at least once in a lifetime. Allah will judge the deeds of all Muslims on the scale of absolute justice. The weight of their good deeds must exceed their bad deeds to avoid hell and gain heaven. Every soul shall be paid in full what it has earned.




Catholics have eight obligations:


1) baptism;

2) love God and neighbor;

3) obey God�s commandments;

4) receive the sacraments;

5) pray;

6) do good works;

7) preserve God�s friendship until death; and

8) have faith.



Catholics "obtain the joy of heaven, as God�s eternal reward for the good works accomplished with the grace of Christ" (CCC, 1821) (http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/1821.htm).

Catholics are taught, "We can merit for ourselves and for others all the graces needed to attain eternal life" (CCC, 2027) (http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2027.htm).




Understanding Islam and Roman Catholicism (http://www.reachingcatholics.org/islam_rome.html)

[Sid]

In Europe and the United States, Catholic authorities have encouraged the transformation of Catholic schools and churches into Muslim schools and mosques. One order of friars is helping Italian Muslims build a mosque right next to its monastery.

In Belgium, meanwhile, the Catholic bishops let illegal Muslim immigrants live and worship in churches to force the government to grant amnesty.Those same Catholic authorities would not grant similar concessions to Protestants or Eastern Orthodox, whose theologies are infinitely more similar.

Given the violent, anti-Semitic and anti-Western ideology permeating contemporary Islam – as well as decades of massive Muslim immigration to Europe – the implications are obvious.

“While Western Europe is turning Muslim, its Christian churches are committing suicide,” wrote The Brussels Journal’s Paul Belien in May.

“To avoid misunderstandings and confusion, and considering the religious diversity that we mutually recognize, and out of respect for sacred places and the religion of the other too, we do not consider it opportune for Christian churches, chapels, places of worship or other places reserved for evangelization and pastoral work to be made available for members of non-Christian religions. Still less should they be used to obtain recognition of demands made on the public authorities.”

Without papal enforcement through canon law, however, such a policy is merely ink on paper.

“Benedict XVI understands that Catholicism is in trouble in Europe,” Tom Bethell wrote in the October edition of The American Spectator, “but has not yet shown that he has the courage to do anything about it.”



Slouching Toward Suicide (http://frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=25409)