I've got another question!

[Jessie]

I've been reading Jerimiah.

around 23:16 sure sounds like the woffers!

my question is in 23:33-40

what is a oracle? what is the Lord saying NOT to do?

in the KJV I believe it says "burden" instead of oracle.

[CoreIssue]

Verse 16 and after shows false prophets. Those are found in cults, WoF, Pentecostalism and a not of other groups. Rampant today.

As for oracle.
Strong's Number: 04853)##mOriginal WordWord Origin )##m from (05375 (http://www.studylight.org/isb/view.cgi?number=005375))Transliterated WordPhonetic Spelling Massa' mas-saw' http://www.studylight.org/images/audio.gif (http://www.studylight.org/cgi-bin/Lexicon.pl?id=4853h.rm) Parts of SpeechTWOT N/A 1421d,1421e Definition n m
load, bearing, tribute, burden, lifting
load, burden
lifting, uplifting, that to which the soul lifts itself up
bearing, carrying
tribute, that which is carried or brought or borne
utterance, oracle, burden n pr m (BDB) Massa = "burden"
a son of Ishmael
Burden is wrong here. NIV, NASB, NKJV and others get it right.

It is saying this false prophet is saying, "God said," when God did not say it. A false declaration/oracle from God.

Burden just does not make sense in several verses.

Think about it. He was not saying God said burden was coming, but that no burden was coming. So using burden never makes sense here.

[Jessie]

I meant in the kjv burden was way to confusing!
did'nt make sense.

in the niv it said oracle, and I could'nt figure out how this works. I looked up the definition of oracle.

are people to have no prophecys period?
I'm thinking of some stuff paul said.

I finally figured that what they where doing is no different than being a medium. my sil does this. some people would go to her and ask what does God say about this or that. and of course what she would tell them was'nt from Him.
and they are to go to God to begin with not her! so of couse she was sought out.
she did'nt like it because I did'nt agree with her dong this.
neither did the others.

now what if one thinks God has told them something to tell someone,
is this included? does one talk or keep quiet?

[CoreIssue]

Yes. The KJV is totally confusing because it is a mistranslation.

Yes, people can have prophecy, even the gift of prophecy.

But this prophet was a false prophet. God said stop repeating what he says, I didn't say it, I am going to punish him and you are to not listen to him any more.

So, God spoke to them via an oracle, a true prophet, and told them to stop listening to the false orace. Further, God was going to punish the false oracle.

God tells us many things in many ways. It does not mean you run around, as some do, and say God said this and that to me.

If God wants you to tell someone, you will know to tell them.

Again, it comes back to sound versus unsound doctrine, false prophets and true and so forth.

And THAT is a very big reason we are told to study the Bible for truth. So we can be led to correct discernment of true and false.

[Jessie]

the way it was worded it did'nt seem like that false prophet. rather,
all prophets, as it was talking about oracles. I missed something,
and will go back tonight and study it again.

I so agree with those who say God told me this and that.
its very wearying and its very manipulative on their part.
just to hear it makes me cringe. I've heard it so many times...

[Jessie]

And THAT is a very big reason we are told to study the Bible for truth. So we can be led to correct discernment of true and false.


very true! and finally I'm getting sound solid answers for those parts I for the life of me,
have muddled over for a long long time. I used to only have the KJV to study,
but you here have been teaching me how to study better!
sure makes a difference!

[n2thelight]

Jeremiah 23:33 "And when this people, or the prophet, or a priest, shall ask thee, saying, What is the burden of the LORD? thou shalt then say unto them, What burden? I will even forsake you, saith the LORD."
Friend, this is an important reason why many Christian's prayers aren't answered. It even affects how close your walk is with God. The answer is in this word "burden", and in the Hebrew tongue it means something religious in a bad form. It means to convert something into something that it is not. It is attributing things that are bad and evil to God, and taking the good away from Him.
After God put it all on the line for you, and sent His only Begotten Son to suffer what He went through to cover your sins with His perfect righteousness, only to have those false prophets paint over those sins with the short cuts of man's devised ways. God doesn't appreciate it.
When you do things God's ways, He enjoys blessing you for your trust. God blesses men and women for following Him, but we aren't supposed to go around asking what type of burden God has brought on us today. For many things that He does, are for our own benefit. Many times when things don't go our way, it is our negative ways which have brought it on ourselves.
Jeremiah 23:34 "And as for the prophet, and the priest, and the people, that shall say, The burden of the LORD, I will even punish that man and his house."
When you take the blessings away from the bread winner, then the whole house suffers. When the prophet and the priests tell the people it is the Lord to blame, then God is saying that he will punish the name and his house for listening and believing in those negative ideas. When all wisdom and blessings flow directly from God, and you refuse those blessings, then you are in a bad position.
Jeremiah 23:35 "Thus shall ye say every one to his neighbour, and every one to his brother, What hath the LORD answered? and, What hath the LORD spoken? "
God is saying that you can bank on something bad coming your way, when you blame your burdens on the Lord.
Jeremiah 23:36 "And the burden of the LORD shall ye mention no more: for every man's word shall be his burden; for ye have perverted the words of the living God, of the LORD of hosts our God."
God could not be more direct in answering your problems. He is telling you He doesn't want to hear of your problems when you blame them all on Him. If you want to know what went wrong with your prayer life, and why it seems that He is not listening to you, this is aimed at you. Friend, you are bringing it down on your own head. Look at your own self, and what you are doing and saying. The fault starts with you, and God is going to turn the faults that you attribute to Him, right back on your own neck.
In this word "perverted" God is saying that you have taken the Words of the living God, and perverted them into your own words. This is a serious charge that anyone can make against God. Though at the start it was done in ignorance, now it is not in ignorance, and it is time to change how you put the blame for the things that went wrong. What you should say is, "What kind of blessing will God send me if I am obedient?".
Jeremiah 23:37 "Thus shalt thou say to the prophet, What hath the LORD answered thee? and, What hath the LORD spoken?"
When you come to a true prophet, one that tries to follow God's Word, it is okay to ask for guidance with respect. This is telling you to ask one who is learned in the Scriptures, what God's Word means.He is telling you to seek out a learned man in the Scriptures, and ask advice as to why certain things come to pass. The true man of God will put the blame where it belongs, or you're listening to the work of Satan.
Jeremiah 23:38 "But since ye say, The burden of the LORD; therefore thus saith the LORD; Because ye say this word, The burden of the LORD, and I have sent unto you, saying, Ye shall not say, The burden of the LORD;"
God is saying that if you continue to say this, and accuse Him, after you have come to the knowledge that God does not bring the burden:
Jeremiah 23:39 "Therefore, behold, I, even I, will utterly forget you, and I will forsake you, and the city that I gave you and your fathers, and cast you out of my presence:"
God is saying that if you do this, He will utterly forget you. It is up to you whether you have trouble or not. It is from your heart and mouth that your trouble comes upon you. It doesn't hurt for some rain to fall in your life, but a good man or woman will use that rain to improve themselves. God's children like those challenges, and takes them as a positive sign. They are things brought about for correction to make you better.
Jeremiah 23:40 "And I will bring an everlasting reproach upon you, and a perpetual shame, which shall not be forgotten."
God is saying that you will be ashamed for blaming Him as long as you shall live, and He will cause you to remember it as long as you live. This doubt of our Heavenly Father is sin, however there is repentance for those who are truly sorry at the cross. That is what Christ shed His blood for, and in repentance to the Father, in Jesus name, you can have the freedom and peace of mind again. Friend, it is up to you if you want God blessings or his curses, and it comes when you understand that God loves you. It requires you to take the responsibility for your own life, and give God the praise for what He has allowed you to do.
God's promise to you in His Word is that as long as you blame Him for your burdens, He will stack more burden on you. However when you realize that your problems are cause by you, and come to Him for help, He will take those burdens and lift them from your mind. Jesus told us in Matthew 11:28-30:
Matthew 11:28 "Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest."
Matthew 11:29 "Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls."
Matthew 11:30 "For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light."
When you yoke a strong horse to a weak horse, you take the load from the weak horse and balance the load to where each can manage their share of the load. Jesus is telling you to hook yourself to his yoke, and let Him take some of the load off your shoulders, let Him kick some of those rocks from your path, and watch how He just makes those difficult times fade away. That mountain that was before you will turn into a small hill that you will just cruise right over.
Are you starting to get the picture? God doesn't like it when you put the blame for what you have caused to yourself on Him, However when you are in His Word, you understand that when you go against His Word, you bring it on yourself, and in His love He desires to help you, but only you can cause that to happen in your life. That relief comes when you repent and start doing things God's Way, and trusting in Him.

bible study taken from theseason.org

[CoreIssue]

Hi n2 the light,

As said before, burden is a bad translation here. The correct is oracle.

This is about a false prophet giving false prophecy. He is not to be listened to. He will be punished.

The Hebrew word does not mean something from bad religion. It means a revelation from God that places something upon the person to bear, good or bad.

Look at the definition one more time. It shows both good and bad.

Strong's Number: 04853)##mOriginal WordWord Origin )##m from (05375 (http://www.studylight.org/isb/view.cgi?number=005375))Transliterated WordPhonetic Spelling Massa' mas-saw' http://www.studylight.org/images/audio.gif (http://www.studylight.org/cgi-bin/Lexicon.pl?id=4853h.rm) Parts of SpeechTWOT N/A 1421d,1421e Definition n m

load, bearing, tribute, burden, lifting
load, burden
lifting, uplifting, that to which the soul lifts itself up
bearing, carrying
tribute, that which is carried or brought or borne
utterance, oracle, burden n pr m (BDB) Massa = "burden"
a son of IshmaelThe context of the chapter is revelation from God. As in from a prophet.

It opens with those asking about a prophecy/oracle from God. The answer being what prophecy? Meaning God gave this man none.

Burden is a confusing and nonsensical word for the context.