Life in the Millennial Kingdom

[CoreIssue]

There are many notions out there as to what life will be like in the MK.

Here, we see a description directed at Israel:
Isaiah 65
17 "Behold, I will create
new heavens and a new earth.
The former things will not be remembered,
nor will they come to mind.

18 But be glad and rejoice forever
in what I will create,
for I will create Jerusalem to be a delight
and its people a joy.
19 I will rejoice over Jerusalem
and take delight in my people;
the sound of weeping and of crying
will be heard in it no more.
20 "Never again will there be in it
an infant who lives but a few days,
or an old man who does not live out his years;
he who dies at a hundred
will be thought a mere youth;
he who fails to reach [a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=29&chapter=65&version=31&context=chapter#fen-NIV-18918a)] a hundred
will be considered accursed.
21 They will build houses and dwell in them;
they will plant vineyards and eat their fruit.
22 No longer will they build houses and others live in them,
or plant and others eat.
For as the days of a tree,
so will be the days of my people;
my chosen ones will long enjoy
the works of their hands.
23 They will not toil in vain
or bear children doomed to misfortune;
for they will be a people blessed by the LORD,
they and their descendants with them.
24 Before they call I will answer;
while they are still speaking I will hear. 25 The wolf and the lamb will feed together,
and the lion will eat straw like the ox,
but dust will be the serpent's food.
They will neither harm nor destroy
on all my holy mountain,"
says the LORD.

The earth and heavens will be renewed and rebuilt after the Trib.

Many get confused here because it says New Earth and Heavens. But remember new mean:
Strong's Number: 02319 Browse Lexicon (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/browse.cgi?number=2319&version=kjv) Original WordWord OriginXdxfrom (02318 (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=2318&version=kjv))Transliterated WordTDNT (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=02319&version=kjv#Legend) EntryChadashTWOT - 613aPhonetic SpellingParts of Speechkhaw-dawsh' http://bible.crosswalk.com/images/audio.gif (http://bible.crosswalk.com/cgi-bin/lexicon.pl?id=2319h) Adjective Definition
new, new thing, fresh
So, a renewed or refreshed earth is new, but not the same new as the New Earth and Heavens after the total destruction of the present.

And there will still be sin on that earth, even with Christ right there.

As well as birth, death, again, building, planting and all the other norms of life today.

Isaiah 2
1 This is what Isaiah son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem:

2 In the last days
the mountain of the LORD's temple will be established
as chief among the mountains;
it will be raised above the hills,
and all nations will stream to it.
3 Many peoples will come and say,
"Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD,
to the house of the God of Jacob.
He will teach us his ways,
so that we may walk in his paths."
The law will go out from Zion,
the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. 4 He will judge between the nations
and will settle disputes for many peoples.
They will beat their swords into plowshares
and their spears into pruning hooks.
Nation will not take up sword against nation,
nor will they train for war anymore.

God will be just. But there still be will disputes between nations and people.

The difference is they will now be resolved by Christ, not war.
Isaiah 11
1 A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse;
from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.

2 The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him—
the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding,
the Spirit of counsel and of power,
the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD -
3 and he will delight in the fear of the LORD.
He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes,
or decide by what he hears with his ears;
4 but with righteousness he will judge the needy,
with justice he will give decisions for the poor of the earth.
He will strike the earth with the rod of his mouth;
with the breath of his lips he will slay the wicked.
5 Righteousness will be his belt
and faithfulness the sash around his waist.
6 The wolf will live with the lamb,
the leopard will lie down with the goat,
the calf and the lion and the yearling [a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isa11;&version=31;#fen-NIV-17891a)] together;
and a little child will lead them.
7 The cow will feed with the bear,
their young will lie down together,
and the lion will eat straw like the ox.
8 The infant will play near the hole of the cobra,
and the young child put his hand into the viper's nest. 9 They will neither harm nor destroy
on all my holy mountain,
for the earth will be full of the knowledge of the LORD
as the waters cover the sea.


Zechariah 14
16 Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD Almighty, and to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD Almighty, they will have no rain. 18 If the Egyptian people do not go up and take part, they will have no rain. The LORD [d (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=zec%2014;&version=31;#fen-NIV-23087d)] will bring on them the plague he inflicts on the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. 19 This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles.

Here is an interesting point. Exactly who are the survivors of the nations that attacked Israel?

Obviously, the still living Trib saints.

But is that all?

Who does the Bible say will die at the return of Christ? ONLY those who took the mark.

That leaves sinners in the world who did not take the mark as well.

Many have the idea only saints enter the MK. That is never said anywhere. Plus, a close reading of the verses says it is not true.

So, we see an MK with a wonderful earth and people restored to the genetic conditions of the Pre-Flood peoples. They live long, are healthy, child birth is not a problem and so on.

But, we also see people who sin, die young from sin, who have conflicts between individuals and nations and so on.

So, the nature of earthly people remains the same as now, but their physical natures are greatly enhanced and restored.

We see that sin nature come out big time when the MK is fulfilled and ths Short Time is allowed.

Christ rules justly, but strictly. There are no wars.

It will be a time that is hard for us, today, to picture living in.

[InTheWind]

Yes but those that go at the rapture will return with Christ and rule with Christ in bodies like Christ, the people you are referring to are those in the flesh that made it through the trib. thus sin nature and a gradual worsening world

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Yes but those that go at the rapture will return with Christ and rule with Christ in bodies like Christ, the people you are referring to are those in the flesh that made it through the trib. thus sin nature and a gradual worsening world
Absolutely.

What I referenced was only verses about those in the earthly flesh. Not glorified saints. :nod:

[InTheWind]

Yes but those that go at the rapture will return with Christ and rule with Christ in bodies like Christ, the people you are referring to are those in the flesh that made it through the trib. thus sin nature and a gradual worsening world
Absolutely.

What I referenced was only verses about those in the earthly flesh. Not glorified saints. :nod:

Yep, was just confirming in case someone was wondering.:):

[InTheWind]

Those that go into the MIL. are those that don`t take the mark and live through the trib, they go into the Mil in flesh form with human sin nature.
They must have to have super flesh restraint in order not to sin and die at a young age and if they do sin at that time and die are they saved or do they go to Hell?

[CoreIssue]

Those that go into the MIL. are those that don`t take the mark and live through the trib, they go into the Mil in flesh form with human sin nature.
They must have to have super flesh restraint in order not to sin and die at a young age and if they do sin at that time and die are they saved or do they go to Hell?
You mean the MK?

The ones who die young are the cursed. That applies to greivous sin or constant sin.

All flesh in the MK will sin. The issue is more of degree and unrepentence.

My take on those who die young are they go to Hell.

[InTheWind]

Hmmmmm facinating, tough chalange for people that can`t help having a sin nature.
Arn`t all those that enter the MK born again ? didn`t they accept Christ during the Trib. ?

[CoreIssue]

Hmmmmm facinating, tough chalange for people that can`t help having a sin nature.
Arn`t all those that enter the MK born again ? didn`t they accept Christ during the Trib. ?
The term used means a part of the whole, not all.

Maybe they were, maybe some were not.

But, we can see, after the Short Time, that a great many who lived under Christ, in the MK, rebell and follow Satan.

All that time with Christ, and they never were saved. Amazing.

[InTheWind]

It will be a time that is hard for us, today, to picture living in.


Indeed it is. :nod:

[onelove]

The 2nd coming of Christ ie the Day of the Lord starts the millennium,in other words it is the millennium(1 day with the Lord is as a thousand years with man)this will be a period of teaching for those who were not taught.

No one will be born nor will any one die during this time,because of the simple fact that at the return of Christ we shall all be changed into our spiritual bodies,the age of the flesh will be over.

During this time satan will be bound in the pit,and his influence will be gone,therefore no sins will be commited either,those who are not reigning with Christ at this time are called the dead because they still have a mortal soul which means that they stand chance to die the second death which is the death of the soul.

Revelation 20:12"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."
Notice there are two sets of books here. The first called "The Books" is to judge the unsaved. The second is the "Book of Life" where only the names of the saved are recorded. The saved have had their sins removed from God's judgment and booted out. Though they were committed, the blood of Christ has covered them from being used against us.
Notice how all souls are judged "according to their works". Does it talk about faith here after the Millennium? No. The "great white throne judgment" will not take faith into consideration. The first resurrection takes faith into consideration. That was back on "the Lord's day". That was Jesus Christ's "great day". On the last day of the Millennium age souls are judged by works only.
Why are you judged for works only? Faith is something hoped for but unseen. You don't see Jesus Christ on earth today, you will see his wonderful works, and be led by Him and His Spirit in the Millennium age. Today He is in heaven and not walking on this earth. However, in the millennium, He will be on earth, and all will have full intelligence, with full recall and will be taught. The Heavenly Father honors all those with grace, that have accepted His Son by faith through repentance without Christ's physical presence here on earth, if you believed in His Word.
To those who are not under grace in the Millennium, their salvation will be only through and by their works. For faith doesn't exist to them. There will be no ignorance, physical handicap, for you will see, know, and experience Our Lord first hand.
If you follow the Antichrist, the first Christ to appear, you will have forfeited your salvation in this earth age. You will not be under the grace of God, and your works will be the only thing that matters on the last day of the Millennium, the day of judgment. They will be judged by works alone, for they have seen Jesus Christ, and are without excuse. The "rapture theory" leaves believers defenseless against Satan, for they will be taken in by Satan's deceptions.

The 40th chapter of Ezekiel to the end tells you exactly what will be happening during this time

[CoreIssue]

A note here. Posting in larger font size does not make your posts more powerful. They simply make them harder to read and on the eyes. Size 2 is plenty big. ;)

[CoreIssue]

The 2nd coming of Christ ie the Day of the Lord starts the millennium,in other words it is the millennium(1 day with the Lord is as a thousand years with man)this will be a period of teaching for those who were not taught.
False.

The day of the Lord begins with the Pre-Trib Rapture and ends with the destruction of the earth, after the short time of Satan, which is after the MK.

Here (http://www.christiantalkzone.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1867&highlight=day+of+the+lord) is a verse study on Day of the Lord to prove the point.
No one will be born nor will any one die during this time,because of the simple fact that at the return of Christ we shall all be changed into our spiritual bodies,the age of the flesh will be over.
False.

There will be death and birth during the MK. There will be living earthly flesh during the MK.

You didn't read Isaiah 65, did you? Or rejected what it literally said?

Throwing out your doctrine here isn't going to change anyone's mind who can read the chapter literally.

And that is only one example which shows you are wrong.
During this time satan will be bound in the pit,and his influence will be gone,therefore no sins will be commited either,
False. Read the verses referenced. It show sin is still there.
those who are not reigning with Christ at this time are called the dead because they still have a mortal soul which means that they stand chance to die the second death which is the death of the soul.

Read the passages.

I also noted you said mortal soul instead of flesh.
Revelation 20:12"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."

The White Throne Judgement is not during the MK. It is later.
Notice there are two sets of books here. The first called "The Books" is to judge the unsaved. The second is the "Book of Life" where only the names of the saved are recorded. The saved have had their sins removed from God's judgment and booted out. Though they were committed, the blood of Christ has covered them from being used against us.

True today for the living and dead saints. Will be true for all who become saved until the end of time.

There are no saints at the Whitle Throne Judgement. Only those who are condemned are there.
Notice how all souls are judged "according to their works". Does it talk about faith here after the Millennium? No. The "great white throne judgment" will not take faith into consideration. The first resurrection takes faith into consideration. That was back on "the Lord's day". That was Jesus Christ's "great day". On the last day of the Millennium age souls are judged by works only.

Faith is always considered. No one is saved by works.

The DOTL includes the MK.
Why are you judged for works only?
As a saint I will not be judged by works for salvation. I will judged by works for rewards.
Faith is something hoped for but unseen. You don't see Jesus Christ on earth today, you will see his wonderful works, and be led by Him and His Spirit in the Millennium age.
I see his works today. I am led by him today.
Today He is in heaven and not walking on this earth.
The Holy Spirit is in me and with me. Thus Christ is with me.
however, in the millennium, He will be on earth, and all will have full intelligence, with full recall and will be taught.
Verses please. Prove this statement.
The Heavenly Father honors all those with grace, that have accepted His Son by faith through repentance without Christ's physical presence here on earth, if you believed in His Word.

Repentence through faith by grace has been the reality since Adam. Even before Christ existed.
To those who are not under grace in the Millennium, their salvation will be only through and by their works. For faith doesn't exist to them. There will be no ignorance, physical handicap, for you will see, know, and experience Our Lord first hand.

False. Works always stem from faith.

The OT saints are spoken of by their faith.
If you follow the Antichrist, the first Christ to appear, you will have forfeited your salvation in this earth age.
Eternal Security. You have departed from faith to works here. Diminished the blood. Make us part of our salvation. Thus not grace, meaning an unearned gift.
You will not be under the grace of God,
Everyone saved is always by grace.
and your works will be the only thing that matters on the last day of the Millennium, the day of judgment.
The MK is never called the Day of Judgement.

The nations are judged in the Trib. The lost at the White Throne. But the MK is never called the day of judgement.
They will be judged by works alone, for they have seen Jesus Christ, and are without excuse. The "rapture theory" leaves believers defenseless against Satan, for they will be taken in by Satan's deceptions.

Your theory strips grace from salvation and makes one dependent upon personally earning salvation. Thus they are doomed.

That is a false gospel.
The 40th chapter of Ezekiel to the end tells you exactly what will be happening during this time
No.

It tells us Israel returns as covenant nation and there will once again be a Temple.

The Temple is where, as the OT tells us, acts of faith in God's grace are carried out.

Grace, repentence and faith have always been the reality for human salvation. And will remain so until the end of time. Regardless of how the faith is manifest in the world.

[onelove]

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"The day of the Lord begins with the Pre-Trib Rapture and ends with the destruction of the earth, after the short time of Satan, which is after the MK."

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At the very instant Christ returns all shall be changed into their spiritual bodies,your so called rapture is the second coming of Christ.

The earth will not be destroyed,it will be restored to the way it was when God created it.



I Corinthians 15:52 "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."
The time that it will take to change all the physical or natural bodies on this earth into their spiritual bodies will be faster than you can wink your eye. It is instant. Paul is telling us that this change will come "at the last trump", and that is when there are no more trumps. He identifies that trumpet as the seventh trumpet, and we know that this is the very moment when Jesus Christ comes back to earth to establish His Millennium kingdom, right here on earth. We are talking about God's trumpets here and on the sixth trumpet Satan comes to earth to deceive the whole world.
If you are waiting for a rapture, then you are going to be raptured by someone other than Jesus Christ for He is coming to earth to set up His kingdom here. The seventh trump is the exact time when the change takes place, and at no other place.
Remember the "dead" are the "spiritually dead" in Christ. "Raised" again means to "become awakened", to become active from another existence. The soul will shed its flesh and blood body to take on the new spiritual body, which is the incorruptible body. You may be spiritually dead, but you will also take on your new incorruptible body, which you will live in for the Millennium age kingdom of Christ.
Everyone is going to enter into the only dimension whereby any soul can be judged. This change from the flesh body into your new spiritual or incorruptible has nothing to do with the condition of your soul. If you were lost before, you still will be lost, and if you have received Jesus Christ and are under His shed blood, you will be in that same spiritual condition. What is happening is at the sounding of the seventh which is the last trumpet all flesh will be done away with, and all souls will now exist in their spiritual bodies.
This bring out another point to consider, for if you are changed, the instant of the sounding of the seventh trumpet into your spiritual body, then whoever you see at the sounding of the sixth trumpet, when Satan arrives is a fake. If someone claims to be Jesus Christ, and you are still in your flesh body, than that supernatural person is an impostor, a fake, a liar, an Antichrist. That can't be to hard to understand. If your kids are younger than you, or grandma is still in the nursing home, than that man is a fake.
This is what we covered above concerning I Thessalonians 4:13-17. This is why Paul does not want us ignorant concerning the dead. Death is not the end but the beginning of the new life, and Paul does not want Christians especially to be ignorant as to were the dead are. Lets review it again.
I Thessalonians 4:14 "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with Him."
Believing that Jesus died and rose again is required of all Christians. At the seventh trump God is not going to raise soul rotting in the ground, but they are already there with Him, and at Jesus coming these souls of dead loved ones will return with Christ to the earth. There is not meeting half way as the rapture theory teaches, but at their arrival you who are alive at that time will be changed to the same spiritual bodies that they have.
If you have your faith all wrapped up in a rapture doctrine you are walking on very dangerous ground, for you are waiting in the flesh body for something that you will not see in the flesh body. Sure Satan will be supernatural when he comes, and he will present himself exactly as your rapture doctrine expects him to come. The rapture dogma was developed in 1830 by Margaret MacDonald in Scotland when she was in a sick and mentally ill condition.
The Scottish minister Edward Irving, took this evil vision, and formed it into what is known today as "the Rapture doctrine", and through Robert Norton's book, "The restoration of Apostles and prophets; in the Catholic Apostolic church", the view became popular. The exposing of the origins of the rapture theory is completely revealed in Dave MacPherson's book; "The Incredible Cover-up". No part of the Catholic church has ever accepted this tradition as truth, yet certain protestant churches have accepted Margaret's evil vision as truth.
Margaret MacDonald had these visions, and she later stated that it was evil, but these preachers picked up on every word of her evil vision, and down through the years that "evil lie" has been honed or perfected, and polished into a tradition that much of the church world now believes in.
I Thessalonians 4:15 "For this we say by the Word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the time of the coming of the Lord, shall not prevent them which are asleep."
Like was stated before, in the Greek it states that there is no one that is alive at the Lord's coming that will precede them that are already with Him. If each soul goes back to the Father at death, then there is no way that those souls are still in the ground to be here when Jesus returns. Why? They are already there with Him.
I Thessalonians 4:16 "For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:"
This seventh trumpet is the trumpet of God and the other trumpets are the soundings angels of God, sounding out the event of the six trumpets dealing with deceptions by Satan. The trumpet is announcing that something is about to happen before that event comes into operation. The seventh trumpet announces that God has had enough of this age of the flesh, and the new kingdom is about to begin. The dead in Christ shall rise first for they are already with Him. Their soul went immediately to be with the Father when they breathed their last breathe of life in their flesh body. That can't be that hard to understand.
In verse fifty Paul said "I want to show you a mystery", and here Paul is saying, "I don't want you to be ignorant"; are you?
I Thessalonians 4:17 "Then we which are alive, and remain, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
In Hebrews 12:1; "Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us."
This is the same Greek usage of the word "cloud" that he spoke in I Thessalonians 4:17. The clouds that Paul is speaking of is that we are going to gather in one large family. Joel talked of a cloud of locust, only here we are talking about a cloud of Christians. The "air" as given here is not "pneuma" or sky, but from "aemi" in the Greek, # 109 in the Strong's, and it means the "breath of life" or your "spiritual body".
This is exactly what is said in I Corinthians 15:51, for we are all going to change in an instant into our "breath of life", or "spiritual bodies", to meet the Lord at His arrival at the seventh and last trumpet. Each of us that lives in the flesh bodies at the time of the "day of the Lord", at the seventh trumpet are going to greet the coming of Jesus in our spiritual bodies. Don't get carried away with the fairy-tales of the church world today, or you will have sealed your fate with "the mark of the beast". When some preacher tells you that you do not have to study Revelation or some other part of God's Word, they are trying to seal your mind into taking the mark of the beast. There is a "sealing" time coming and it is going on right now. We are living in the final generation which started with the Jews reestablished their homeland.
Revelation 9:4 "And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads."
This is the instructions that God is giving to Satan and his fallen angels when they are coming to this earth. Your "mind" is in your forehead, and "to be sealed" is what you put in your mind that prepares you for what is coming. If you think in your mind that the rapture is true, than you have taken a lie, or "seal" of Satan the beast, and sealed your mind with his mark. However if you have the plan of the entire Word of God in your mind then you know that you will never see Jesus Christ in the flesh, but the one claiming to be Christ is the fake Satan, in the role of Antichrist. You need the entire Word of God to protect you, for in it are all the events that allow you to keep yourself from being deceived by the many false winds of doctrine that are going around today.
We will live the entire Millennium age of Christ's kingdom right here on earth in our spiritual body. Jesus is coming back to earth to stay at the seventh trumpet, and He is not leaving. If you are saved under the blood of Christ, you will never leave or be separated again from Him, ever. Those that don't make it will be turned to ashes after the Judgment.


Revelation 9:6 "And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them."

So why will these people not find death ? ,simple they are no longer in the flesh

[CoreIssue]

It is obvious you did not read the DOTL thread I gave you a link to. You just went back to this guy's site and copied over more material.

Please read that thread and respond to it to. You will see the DOTL, in the Greek and Hebrew, refer to a lot more than the Second Coming.

This is not a discussion if all you want to do is put our your doctrine without even reading the refutations.

The Last Trump is at the Pre-Trib Rapture. It is NOT the 7th Trumpet.

There are Trumpets in many places in the Bible. The last of one series does not mean the last of every Trumpet yet to blow in a different series.

I have responded to your posts point by point with reasons and verses. You have not responded to my in kind.

Posting these claims does nothing to address the verses I posted, post by post.

Him attaching assumptions as to what verse means does nothing to refute the other verses directly calling various times DOTL.

Times in the Trib are called DOTL, after the Short Time is called DOTL. I see nothing addressing those verses, in example.

Quote those verses and tell me why they don't mean what they state.

That does not mean jumping to other verses and assuming meanings. I disagree with the assumed meanings as stated here for what was put up.

Address my verses point by point, verse by verse and definition by definition. Tell me what they say in and of themselves.

You have fallen into preaching mode. Not allowed here.

Answer my challenges.

[onelove]

I did read your post on DOTL,and I stick to my position,which is the DOTL is the second coming,so do tell which of these verse does not imply the second coming


Isaiah 2:12 (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Isaiah+2:12&version=9) (Whole Chapter) (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Isaiah+2&version=9)
For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:
Isaiah 13:6 (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Isaiah+13:6&version=9) (Whole Chapter) (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Isaiah+13&version=9)
Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.
Isaiah 13:9 (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Isaiah+13:9&version=9) (Whole Chapter) (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Isaiah+13&version=9)
Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
Jeremiah 46:10 (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Jeremiah+46:10&version=9) (Whole Chapter) (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Jeremiah+46&version=9)
For this is the day of the Lord GOD of hosts, a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for the Lord GOD of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates.
Ezekiel 13:5 (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Ezekiel+13:5&version=9) (Whole Chapter) (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Ezekiel+13&version=9)
Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the LORD.
Ezekiel 30:3 (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Ezekiel+30:3&version=9) (Whole Chapter) (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Ezekiel+30&version=9)
For the day is near, even the day of the LORD is near, a cloudy day; it shall be the time of the heathen.
Joel 1:15 (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Joel+1:15&version=9) (Whole Chapter) (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Joel+1&version=9)
Alas for the day! for the day of the LORD is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come.
Joel 2:1 (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Joel+2:1&version=9) (Whole Chapter) (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Joel+2&version=9)
Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;
Joel 2:11 (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Joel+2:11&version=9) (Whole Chapter) (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Joel+2&version=9)
And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?
Joel 2:31 (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Joel+2:31&version=9) (Whole Chapter) (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Joel+2&version=9)
The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the LORD come.
Joel 3:14 (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Joel+3:14&version=9) (Whole Chapter) (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Joel+3&version=9)
Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.
Amos 5:18 (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Amos+5:18&version=9) (Whole Chapter) (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Amos+5&version=9)
Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.
Amos 5:20 (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Amos+5:20&version=9) (Whole Chapter) (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Amos+5&version=9)
Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?
Obadiah 1:15 (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Obadiah+1:15&version=9) (Whole Chapter) (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Obadiah+1&version=9)
For the day of the LORD is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head.
Zephaniah 1:7 (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Zephaniah+1:7&version=9) (Whole Chapter) (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Zephaniah+1&version=9)
Hold thy peace at the presence of the Lord GOD: for the day of the LORD is at hand: for the LORD hath prepared a sacrifice, he hath bid his guests.
Zephaniah 1:14 (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Zephaniah+1:14&version=9) (Whole Chapter) (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Zephaniah+1&version=9)
The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.
Zechariah 14:1 (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Zechariah+14:1&version=9) (Whole Chapter) (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Zechariah+14&version=9)
Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Malachi 4:5 (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Malachi+4:5&version=9) (Whole Chapter) (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Malachi+4&version=9)
Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
Acts 2:20 (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Acts+2:20&version=9) (Whole Chapter) (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Acts+2&version=9)
The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:
1 Corinthians 5:5 (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=1 Corinthians+5:5&version=9) (Whole Chapter) (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=1 Corinthians+5&version=9)
To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
2 Corinthians 1:14 (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=2 Corinthians+1:14&version=9) (Whole Chapter) (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=2 Corinthians+1&version=9)
As also ye have acknowledged us in part, that we are your rejoicing, even as ye also are our's in the day of the Lord Jesus.
1 Thessalonians 5:2 (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=1 Thessalonians+5:2&version=9) (Whole Chapter) (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=1 Thessalonians+5&version=9)
For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
2 Peter 3:10 (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=2 Peter+3:10&version=9) (Whole Chapter) (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=2 Peter+3&version=9)
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.The 7th trump and the last trump are one and the same,for the 7th is the last

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"You have fallen into preaching mode. Not allowed here.

Answer my challenges."

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Didnt think I was preaching,making points based on scripture,as far as your challenges,you don't have any you are just taking scriptures out of context to try and make them say what you want,which wont work,in other words they don't hold up

Show me scriptures of these other trumps that you refer to which relate to the second coming or even your so called rapture.

the trumpets spoken of relate to the end times there is not a #8 trumpet which makes the last the 7th,oh so simple

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Revelation 8:2, 6
Revelation 10:7
Revelation
11:15-19


Matthew 24:30-31


1 Corinthians 15:51-52

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1 Thessalonians 4:15-17

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The 2nd coming of Christ ie the Day of the Lord starts the millennium,in other words it is the millennium(1 day with the Lord is as a thousand years with man)this will be a period of teaching for those who were not taught.




Onelove:


This timeline fits the testimony of the Scriptures much better:


The Rapture of the Church,
The Battle of Ezekiel 38,
Daniel’s 70th week begins,
The Great Tribulation,
The 2nd Coming,
The Millennium,
Eternity.

That the march of current events revolve around Jerusalem is evidence that Replacement Theology and amillennialism just don't make sense.

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Which are not just the Second Coming?

Most of them.

Isaiah 2 and 13, in example, talk about events found in the trumpets and bowls. which are during the Trib.

Eekiel 13 talks about Israel following a false prophet, the AC and FP. That is Trib, not Second Coming.

Joel 2 is the Mid Trib invasion of Israel. Not the Second Coming.

Amos speaks of the Mid Trib invasion and exile of Israel, those who are not killed.

Malachi 4 talks about the mission of the Two Witnesses, one of which is Ezekiel. Their time lasts 3.5 years, the first of the Trib. The curse falls on them at Mid, when they reject God.

During the GT, the second half of the Trib 2/3 of the Jews are killed by the AC.

2 Peter 3 talks about the end of the present heavens and the earth, after the short time of Satan. This is most assuredly after the MK. Which is followed by the New Heaven and New Earth and White Throne Judgment.

The heavens and the earth are NOT totally destroyed at the Second Coming.

You need to study the Greek here. It means completely and utterly gone. Reduced to the most basic sub particle level. Not a spiritualized meaning of cleansed by God's wrath.

And so on.

You do not read literally. You do not use literal word meaning. You do not use rules of grammar. You symbolize, spiritualize and simple disregard many things.