All Hell breaks loose

[Chrystalwuzhere]

Lebanon kidnaps two of Israel soldiers, and when Israel lets loose on them, they go crying and sniveling to the UN begging them to help them by demanding a ceasefire. You would think they would know that if they do something stupid like that to Israel, they're going to strike back in deadly and swift strikes. They bit off more than they can chew.

Where do you guys see all of this going?

[CoreIssue]

When my wife and I heard this on FOX, we said at the same time, "Good for you! Hit them harder!"

What I see is the lines are more and more in concrete. The hopes of peace fading away.

Tensions throughout the region will increase. Pressure on the EU, Russia and so on will continue to increase. Tensions between the EU, Russia and China will keep increasing.

It will reach the point of a threat of a devastating World War III.

Then POW! All those nasty Christians disappear and the AC has the answer in his treaty.

The Seals then begin opening and a lot of the world gets devastated and 1/3 of the world's people die.

Russia believes it makes a deal with the EU and moves on Israel at Mid, along with Iran, Syria and some others, meaning what is left of them.

But the AC lied. With the armies massed where he can hit them, he smashes Russia and their allies.

He turns to take care of the rest of his enemies in the region, but, I believe, the US moves to intervene in the costal areas, so he turns back and takes Israel.

That is roughly what I see.

[Chrystalwuzhere]

This isn't gonna stop, is it? Not without major biblical development.

[InTheWind]

It`s times like this that my hope for the rapture really soar.:nod:
We are feeling the Lord is close for a reason, we do, the world doesn`t. :):

[Jessie]

When my wife and I heard this on FOX, we said at the same time, "Good for you! Hit them harder!"

What I see is the lines are more and more in concrete. The hopes of peace fading away.

Tensions throughout the region will increase. Pressure on the EU, Russia and so on will continue to increase. Tensions between the EU, Russia and China will keep increasing.

It will reach the point of a threat of a devastating World War III.

Then POW! All those nasty Christians disappear and the AC has the answer in his treaty.

The Seals then begin opening and a lot of the world gets devastated and 1/3 of the world's people die.

Russia believes it makes a deal with the EU and moves on Israel at Mid, along with Iran, Syria and some others, meaning what is left of them.

But the AC lied. With the armies massed where he can hit them, he smashes Russia and their allies.

He turns to take care of the rest of his enemies in the region, but, I believe, the US moves to intervene in the costal areas, so he turns back and takes Israel.

That is roughly what I see.

I dont think there ever was a "hope" of peace. it was a pipedream.
although they did have that hope.

very interesting thoughts!

[CoreIssue]

This isn't gonna stop, is it? Not without major biblical development.
Yep. That development is the AC appearing.

[InTheWind]

Bill from the no spin zone just said, this is world war three, we`re in it!!!

[Jessie]

do you think with the ww3 it will be started or just on the verge of everyone
going at each other?

[InTheWind]

My opinion is it will get real bad, rature, AC, trib.

[Chrystalwuzhere]

I have a feeling this is the beginning of "IT!!!"

I just read this... it's an interesting development.

Israeli analysts warned that Syria, which supports Hezbollah and plays host to Hamas' political leader Khaled Mashaal (javascript:siteSearch('Khaled Mashaal');), could be Israel's next target.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,203438,00.html

[CoreIssue]

do you think with the ww3 it will be started or just on the verge of everyone
going at each other?
Not sure on that.

We know the AC will come with a miracle fix. But at the same time we see the first half of the Trib is loaded with devastating wars.

[CoreIssue]

My opinion is it will get real bad, rature, AC, trib.
There with you on that. :nod:

[CoreIssue]

I have a feeling this is the beginning of "IT!!!"

I just read this... it's an interesting development.



http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,203438,00.html
Even if not it immediately, what is happening now cannot be disregarded as a major push to IT.

[MHz]

Lebanon kidnaps two of Israel soldiers, and when Israel lets loose on them, they go crying and sniveling to the UN begging them to help them by demanding a ceasefire. You would think they would know that if they do something stupid like that to Israel, they're going to strike back in deadly and swift strikes. They bit off more than they can chew.

Where do you guys see all of this going?

Hi, long time no chat.

Just so I know you have all current events for consideration (in this) what events have unfolded since the deaths of the children on the beach?

[Jessie]

Even if not it immediately, what is happening now cannot be disregarded as a major push to IT.

yes definatly. each time its more intense.

[Chrystalwuzhere]

Even if not it immediately, what is happening now cannot be disregarded as a major push to IT.

:nod:

[CoreIssue]

Hi, long time no chat.

Just so I know you have all current events for consideration (in this) what events have unfolded since the deaths of the children on the beach?
Long time, for sure.

Can you expand and clarify on this statement? Here, if relevant to the topic, or in an new one if a different issue.

[Chrystalwuzhere]

I was wondering what he meant too. Scratching my head on that statement.

[Sid]

We know the AC will come with a miracle fix. But at the same time we see the first half of the Trib is loaded with devastating wars.


Here is my take on the situation in the Muddled East:


Israel has learned that there was no land for peace. . . they gave up land and all they got was war and terrorism.

Israel has learned that occupied territories is really loosing the war after they won it.



So. . .



Israel will push the Arabs over the edge, first Lebanon, then Syria. [Demascus, Isaiah 17]

. . . maybe more, not sure how many Arab nations are ready to get beaten up.




BUT, Israel will clean vanquish all comers in a redo of the '67 war. . . . and this time they will KEEP ALL CONQUERED TERRITORIES. Probably will take out Jordan just while they are at it.




Possibly a period of peace of a few weeks, months or years, while the world digests the situation.



Russia will have to attack Israel because of the oil, warm water ports, Muslim brotherhood and business partnerships.


Ezekiel 37-39 on cable news anyone?


Not exactly where the rapture fits into this, but this scenario makes sense, at least to me.

[CoreIssue]

Cannot be right, Sid.

Ezekiel says Israel is an unarmed and at peace nation. No way possible can that condition be ascribed to now. It is the result of the AC Treaty.

And Isaiah clearly shows it is talking about the Second Coming. Not now.

[Sid]

Ezekiel says Israel is an unarmed and at peace nation. No way possible can that condition be ascribed to now. It is the result of the AC Treaty.



. . . couldn't we see another round of war/peace in the ME?


Israel will keep a lot of territory [West Bank for sure, maybe lots more] because they have learned that defendable [sp?] borders are more reasonable than land for peace.


Maybe a season of peace after this round would fit.


I don't see Russia attacking Israel now, but if Israel vanquished a whole lot of those sandtraps that the Arabs call countries, they might be more motivated.

. . . things like oil, warm water ports and markets.


And Isaiah clearly shows it is talking about the Second Coming. Not now.


Could Isaiah 17 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=isaiah%2017&version=31) be in the same timeframe as Ezekiel 37-39?


Whatever happens, no matter how it is to play out, things in the ME could get really stupid really fast.


Looking up.

[CoreIssue]

. . . couldn't we see another round of war/peace in the ME?


Israel will keep a lot of territory [West Bank for sure, maybe lots more] because they have learned that defendable [sp?] borders are more reasonable than land for peace.


Maybe a season of peace after this round would fit.

It is possible. But somehow I don't think probable.
I don't see Russia attacking Israel now, but if Israel vanquished a whole lot of those sandtraps that the Arabs call countries, they might be more motivated.
But the Bible tells us when they will get vanquished. And that in the Trib and at the Second Coming.

. . . things like oil, warm water ports and markets.
Yep. Those are biggies to Russia.

But Russia is in no condition to move now.
Could Isaiah 17 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=isaiah%2017&version=31)be in the same timeframe as Ezekiel 37-39?
There is overlap. Ezekiel begins at Mid and end Second Coming. So Isaiah is speaking in overlap with some events for sure.
Whatever happens, no matter how it is to play out, things in the ME could get really stupid really fast.
You mean more stupid. It is so stupid now it is stunning.

Looking up.

I am so ready.

[MHz]

I'm just saying that if the capture of the two soldiers is 'looked at' as being the 'root cause' of this escalation then a person should know what effects the 3 weeks before this have had on this.

I'm sure most of you agree that the two soldiers was what kicked this off, it wasn't it is just the latest event.

I'm also sure most believe this statement to be true,
http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,19785175%255E1702,00.html

("This latest incident started because of the Hezbollah incursion into Israel against all of the resolutions of the United Nations, against all of the understandings now of international law," Mr Howard told ABC radio.)

Yet this article doesn't agree with the above,
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HG15Ak02.html

(To them, it is legitimate self-defense. They back this argument by saying that Israel still controls the Sheba Farms, which are part of Lebanon, and still has Lebanese prisoners in Israeli jails. Also, they add that the Israeli tank destroyed by Hezbollah, and the soldiers captured and killed on July 12, had trespassed into Lebanon's side of the border with Israel.

It all started on July 12 when Israel troops were ambushed on Lebanon's side of the border with Israel. Hezbollah, which commands the Lebanese south, immediately seized on their crossing. They arrested two Israeli soldiers, killed eight Israelis and wounded over 20 in attacks inside Israeli territory. )

Two different versions of the same event, does it make any difference which one is true.

If the first version is true then there could be an argument that any action by Israel could have some justification although even then I think the action should have focused on those directly responsible rather that what would appears a widespread attacks that did kill some who have nothing at to do with the matter.

If the second version is correct, that the IDF had crossed into another country, then that country has the right to repell that action, not just the right but the duty to do so. If that 'action' was done as a provaction (knowing they would be met with force, even deadly force) to justify the actions that were be carried out then it is no longer an act that can be considered defensive but one of naked aggression.
You cannot be provoked into a fight if you are the one who throws the first punch, in this case sending armed forces into a place they had no right to be.

I would urge you to read the article the second link references, rather long but rather detailed in not just this incident but as a good overview of just what troubles this area has and why.

[Sid]

Gee, I don't see any images of blown up busses and pizza parlors in Beirut.

. . . what news channel is playing that?

[CoreIssue]

There have always been Jews in that area. And Arabs.

It use to be an area of little concern with mainly nomads wondering around.

Jews lived in peace with the local Arabs for a long time.

Then other Arabs felt there were too many Jews. Suddenly Jerusalem became critical to being solely under Muslim control

The Jews were attacked and defended themselves.

The Arabs attacked in the 60s and lost ground every time. They whined occupation.

No. They lost that land in war. It belongs to Israel.

Israel tried to make peace. Even giving up land.

Muslims are not happy. They want every Jew dead.

There can be no peace as long as radical Muslims are obsessed with killing off all the Jews.

Did it bother you when Muslims blew up school buses? How about weddings? Or restaurants?

But now that the militia camps and suppliers are getting attacked it is wrong?

God says it is their land. I will side with God in this.

The Trib will sort it all out. And there will finally be peace in the MK.

Mankind is so screwed up.

[MHz]

Did it bother you when Muslims blew up school buses? How about weddings? Or restaurants?

Of course it bothers me.

But now that the militia camps and suppliers are getting attacked it is wrong?http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13978.htm
(They came first to the little village of Dweir near Nabatiya in southern Lebanon where an Israeli plane dropped a bomb on to the home of a Shia Muslim cleric. He was killed. So was his wife. So were eight of his children. One was decapitated. All they could find of a baby was its head and torso which a young villager brandished in fury in front of the cameras. Then the planes visited another home in Dweir and disposed of a family of seven.)

Does this bother you?

God says it is their land. I will side with God in this.
He has kicked them out more than once, that would seem to make that land His land.

How well does their action fit in with Christ's second Law?

The Trib will sort it all out. And there will finally be peace in the MK.
This will seem like peace compared to what having Satan on Earth will be like.

Mankind is so screwed up.

While this part of the world seems to get most of the attention (even if some reports seem to favor one side over the other) the rest of our planet isn't doing any better.

Good summary though.

[CoreIssue]

Originally Posted by CoreIssue
Did it bother you when Muslims blew up school buses? How about weddings? Or restaurants?

Of course it bothers me.

Quote:
But now that the militia camps and suppliers are getting attacked it is wrong?
http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle13978.htm (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13978.htm)
(They came first to the little village of Dweir near Nabatiya in southern Lebanon where an Israeli plane dropped a bomb on to the home of a Shia Muslim cleric. He was killed. So was his wife. So were eight of his children. One was decapitated. All they could find of a baby was its head and torso which a young villager brandished in fury in front of the cameras. Then the planes visited another home in Dweir and disposed of a family of seven.)

Does this bother you?
It bothers me these clerics deliberately put their families and innocents in danger.

An old tactic of theirs.

Hide behind others and decree it when the others are forced to kill innocents to get them.

I hope you see the distinction.

They Jews are going after the enemies who are killing Jews. The other are collateral.

But the Muslims are targeting children and other innocents. They are not soldiers, government or any such thing. They are innocents.

The Jews see the distinction. We see the distinction. The Muslims do not.

As with the Twin Towers. There was nothing of military nature there that was threatening them. They picked a soft target for the most fear value possible.

God says it is their land. I will side with God in this.
He has kicked them out more than once, that would seem to make that land His land.

How well does their action fit in with Christ's second Law?
You mean do unto others as you would have them do unto you?
100% in my book.

The Trib will sort it all out. And there will finally be peace in the MK.
This will seem like peace compared to what having Satan on Earth will be like.
And don't forget what God will do to the earth.
A lot of people die in the Bowls and at the Second Coming.
Since it is all local, the rest of the world could be at peace while those in all out war can be in the same state as those in the Trib.

Mankind is so screwed up.

While this part of the world seems to get most of the attention (even if some reports seem to favor one side over the other) the rest of our planet isn't doing any better.

Good summary though.
I wish it wasn't true. But it is.

[MHz]

And I'm sorry you can't see there is no distinction.

Ro:13:9: For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

There are Apostile-like Jews and there are Jews like those who killed him and others sent by God, make sure you support the right side.

Later

[CoreIssue]

And I'm sorry you can't see there is no distinction.

Ro:13:9: For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

There are Apostile-like Jews and there are Jews like those who killed him and others sent by God, make sure you support the right side.

Later
And exactly which of these issues are the Jews breaking when they work in self-defense?

By the way, again, the KJV has an error here. It does not say do not kill, it says do not commit murder. Self-defense is not murder and very much allowed for in the Bible.

Christ sent the Apostles out with swords after he ascended.

God sent Jews out to kill in the OT. He will do so again at the Second Coming.

You need to make sure you are on the right side of the meanings and issues here.

[MHz]

One of the reasons I try to hear both viewpoints

[CoreIssue]

One of the reasons I try to hear both viewpoints
So do I.

Israel gave back land gained in blood when they were attacked without provocation.

It isn't enough. The Islamics want them all dead. Not a single Jew left in the area.

If the Islamics had just left them alone at the beginning, the land would have been much smaller. But they didn't.

That required Israel to defend itself and keep land to have some kind of perimeter for safety.

Now, with new missiles and such, the Islamics are trying to hit deeper into Israel, so Israel must take out those attacking forces and ensure they cannot get close enough to keep attacking civilians.

The Islamics cry foul when Israel defends themselves. But did nothing when the Islamics were killing Jews.

Killing Jews is okay. Killing Islamics is not.

The Islamics have brought this on themselves.

[Brandli5]

I was watching the news today and people are going around Screaming " Bring on World War lll" now thats terrible.

I hope peace comes soon, if not do you think we will see this??

[CoreIssue]

I was watching the news today and people are going around Screaming " Bring on World War lll" now thats terrible.

I hope peace comes soon, if not do you think we will see this??
There won't be any peace until the AC Treaty.

And what a price Israel will pay for that peace.

[Jessie]

do you think with the ww3 it will be started or just on the verge of everyone
going at each other?
Not sure on that.

We know the AC will come with a miracle fix. But at the same time we see the first half of the Trib is loaded with devastating wars.

this is most confusing although I know its true.

[Sid]

"Good for you! Hit them harder!"


If anything, the Israelis were too limited in their response during the last conflict with them in Lebanon:



During the first week, Israel should have used every weapon in their arsenal, short of nukes, to level EVERYTHING in Lebanon within 1km of the border.

. . . during the second week, everything withing 2km of the border.

Same with the third, fourth. . . whatever.


Isreal would then be seen by the radical Islamics as somebody to not mess with.




As it stands now, the Hesbos are claiming a victory, standing on the ruins of Lebanon.

. . . and the Israelis are seen as having lost their aura of invincibility.



The Israelis must be seen as even more determined than the terrorists.

[CoreIssue]

I fully agree, Sid. :nod: